MESSAGE FOR THIEVES

[- matt -]

I feel very ANGRY today...      

It seems that one of our users, who has been given a gallery here at the BEA and of course had access to our site, more than once PIRATED quantities of content from THIS site and others to populate another site which name I will avoid in this post.

This person is not alone and works associated with others.

I ill just let you know that we are not stupid, and that legal actions have been started.
Not only IP ADDRESS and different Logs info, and other data was filed and kept safe… but also some actions were taken in order to restrict any possible access to our site.

To everybody: our site is a PRIVATE/PAID site… and we will not tolerate pirates, thieves, hackers or whatever.

Many thanks to all of you who usually inform me as soon as you find out these kind of nasty people at home, and for helping me on controlling the good will and to keep clean the house.  

[Hentaibee]

are you aware that certain hackers can hack into your log files and use the valid members data and possibly even 'spoof' that member's IP without the member even knowing? or that people can use keylogging software to obtain other paswords at places like colleges or universities...

it thats not the case...well go ahead and punish the person.

[rhinoceros82]

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are you aware that certain hackers can hack into your log files and use the valid members data and possibly even 'spoof' that member's IP without the member even knowing? or that people can use keylogging software to obtain other paswords at places like colleges or universities...

it thats not the case...well go ahead and punish the person.  

Its interesting that you say this because these past few days Ive noticed that my computer has been acting very strange.  I cant access certain websites which I used to go to before.  Websites such as google, netscape, and a few others.  And when I go to websites like eBay I get this notice that says, "would you like to download DoubleClick" or "would you like to download Avenue A" or some other thing that sounds suspicious.  Ive download programs to get rid of spyware.  Programs such as Spy Sweeper, Ad-Aware, and SpyBot but still these annoying things happen.  Any advice on how I can fix this?  Ive actually been thinking about formating my hard drive and installing a new operating system and now seems like a good time to do it because this spyware shit is really becoming a problem.  It slows down the connection speed and doesnt allow me to access certain sites that I like to use.  And those are just the problems which I am aware of.  Im sure it may do things in the background like stealing passwords and recording everything I type.  One interesting note is that none of this happens when I use AOL.  It only happens when I use internet explorer.  

[Hentaibee]

its a spyware which nested itself into your aol.

dont use aol is my best advice.

[sheber]

Use Firefox with ad block (caveat: some pages may not load, but if that much of their content is ad generated, who needs it). You can even switch user agents and tell visited servers that you are using Internet Explorer when in fact you are not. IE has dozens of security issues still unresolved, so why use it? Because it came with your OS? Most intrusions are benign and are seeking only tracking cookies and not personal data. Firewalls such as Zone Alarm work well and using a router provides another hurdle for intruders to take.

If I am not mistaken, the new optimized AOHell has an adblocker, but I find that the whole AOL  browser ties up too many of the system resources. When something goes wrong, it goes terribly wrong.

[danball1976]

What is going on is some poeple have used an exploit in Apache servers to use another exploit in Internet Explorer.  Windows XP SP2 is not affected, but the exploit involves the iframe or whatever in IE.  I can post a few links for you to read more about it:
http://www.dslreports.com
http://www.winbeta.org/
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?category=
http://www.short-media.com/forum/index.php?

[L_C_R_ANT]

Funny you should mention Ad-Aware and spyware that won't go away  I recently had been having such a problem on my desktop.  After running Ad-Aware scans approximately three times in a row and trying the update before each one, I went back with regedit and found 5 keys in the Run folder alone that Ad-Aware seemingly "missed".  And they were for obvious ones too... (Program file name consisted of random numbers and leters)  Also went back and went through my System, windows, and temp dirs and found a whole boat load more stuff that was missed...  Been noticing that this stuff has been getting more and more invasive and sneaky lately so it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone or thing was starting to get to the BEA and trying to rip it off too....

Sad indeed what somethings have come to.  

[sheber]

Spybot usually catches what Ad Aware misses.

[MunchWolf]

I use both Spybot and ADware on MGs machine, but a day doesn't go by where the machine reloads itself up with spyware ...

-Munch "There's got to be something else there" Wolf

[dunlap02]

Also use, CWShredder & McAfee Stinger both free to kill those hidden keyloggers.  

[MrHHH]

Munch, you use Firefox as a browser?

 

[MunchWolf]

I use Netscape and IE with no issues ... it's MG's machine (which she uses only IE) that has problems ...

-Munch "and we're both hooked up to the same router" Wolf

[sheber]

Yeah, and I hear that they can't drive either...

[MrHHH]

Hey, how much stuff do I have to steal before I get a massage?
 

[Blax12]

 Since i am using Opera I cut off the number of pop ups and malware and other shit.

Blax12    

[likwidflame]

I believe we've really missed the point. It is one of the toughest things to spoof an IP address, and not leave any sort of trail. I currently work for an ISP and each step a hacker (i hate that word) takes brings a further charge against them. I suggest using a program that runs a master trace route to the source ip that you have logged. This will determine the amount and source of the problem. If the 'hacker' has changed their ip (which can be done if on dsl - based on aggregators that hand out ips) then the logs from the source ISP will determine their final destination. If however they are using public computers, it becomes even tougher. But, If you've already got it handled, there is no reason for me to interject.  

[- matt -]

well... whatever you give us as an idea... is very welcome!
So... likwidflame, first of all let me thank you.
and let me see with our Server Admin.

Thanks!  

[likwidflame]

Any success?  

[skijumper]

I like the tabbed browsing on Firefox.
BTW, I use Norton AntiVirus, but there's one particular site that it has trouble with ... BEArchive.com .
The Bearchive server doesn't seem to want to cough up pictures on the forums unless it can verify the ID of the person asking. Or something. Dunno. Anyhow, I have to switch off Norton when browsing the BEArchive formums, otherwise they come up pictureless. Which is a tad annoying.  

[Katheb]

if i find any thieving ill let you know Btw about the spy ware prob you got somtimes its is best to unplug the network wire restart the PC in safe mode then run the spy ware remover program it worked for me .might work for you =]

[FiShMaStEr]

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I believe we've really missed the point. It is one of the toughest things to spoof an IP address, and not leave any sort of trail. I currently work for an ISP and each step a hacker (i hate that word) takes brings a further charge against them. I suggest using a program that runs a master trace route to the source ip that you have logged. This will determine the amount and source of the problem. If the 'hacker' has changed their ip (which can be done if on dsl - based on aggregators that hand out ips) then the logs from the source ISP will determine their final destination. If however they are using public computers, it becomes even tougher. But, If you've already got it handled, there is no reason for me to interject.  

not just that aswell. The hacker will usually leave a trail back to a bnc, or proxy, which is traceroutable and always contains logs. Even if this is on a bot of somekind, the hacker will be in more trouble for hacking into another compter.

Remember nothing is safe on the internet, do something stupid and you will be found.

[MadMacs2010]

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its a spyware which nested itself into your aol.

dont use aol is my best advice.  

Actually this sounds disturbingly like what we've got infecting a couple of our PC's at the college, and We've tried them all, Pestpatrol, Adaware, spybot, none of them actually remove it, a reboot and the damn thing is back, the problem seems to be that it's infected the about:blank page in IE and all of these spyware removers differ in what IT actually is, some think it's VX2 others say it's CWS, any suggestions would be more than welcome, I don't really want to have to re-image 16 PC's it's a pain in the arse.

[MadMacs2010]

Mind you 16 out of 300 isn't too bad

[sheber]

Have you tried cwshredder? I'd also recommend hijack this. But be careful with that or you just might have to re-image.`

[Trace]

I don't remember where the tutorial pages are for HijackThis, but they helped me use that program to nuke a particularly pernicious spyware program from a family member's laptop.

It's sort of like brain surgery, though - make the wrong move and you end up with the patient lobotomized...

[ZoD]

Hopefully you can just zap the bastards and get rid of them.....damn hackers

[freebirdy]

This from Lori, the customer care specialist: "I feel very ANGRY today...    

It seems that one of our users, who has been given a gallery here at the BEA and of course had access to our site, more than once PIRATED quantities of content from THIS site and others to populate another site which name I will avoid in this post.

This person is not alone and works associated with others.

I ill just let you know that we are not stupid, and that legal actions have been started.
Not only IP ADDRESS and different Logs info, and other data was filed and kept safe… but also some actions were taken in order to restrict any possible access to our site.

To everybody: our site is a PRIVATE/PAID site… and we will not tolerate pirates, thieves, hackers or whatever.

Many thanks to all of you who usually inform me as soon as you find out these kind of nasty people at home, and for helping me on controlling the good will and to keep clean the house. "


I've been a member of this wonderful site on and off for several years. However, I'm a little confused now. I've noticed that several excerpts from Chelsea Charms' website chat board have been placed into threads on this site. Isn't this a form of pirating, which you seem so against?

[MunchWolf]

I've got salt and lemon juice ...

-Munch "Who's got the paper cuts?" Wolf

[- matt -]

yes - and i support Mods actions.
I am not a Mod. When someone tells me something really "wrong" is going on, such as pirating stuff or whatever, I usually let a Mod know about this.

Would you please inform here the exact link where this stuff was uploaded? So Mods can be informed about it.

Btw: the msg was not referred to one specific action, even though one scpecific action made me post the msg.
The msg was in general.
And YES. We are against pirating stuff - except only when we share different material with others.

And YES: I am customer care specialist, which means I take care of memberships, special rates, gallery owners access, and that kind of stuff.
Best regards

[Kelly_Bell]

It was clearly 'THEFT OF ONE OF MY IMAGES' that brought me here, as one of mine had been used without my permission, posted inside this forum. (search on my name if your curious)
That said, if that never happened, I would never have known this site existed! I have had a trawl through some of the threads & have enjoyed being here.
I have had such a warm welcome since popping in that I have decided to hang around (if you'll have me)
So from the 'theft' of an image-here I am! OK it happens & it has plagued me for since I started modelling after leaving school at 16.
So it just goes to prove it's not always a bad thing & accept it as modern life-sh!t happens.
In this case the thief has done me a favour. Cheers but I certainly DON'T condone it & will continuously hunt down my images used elsewhere. BUT just now & then this happens.
Great site

Kelly xx

[Kelly_Bell]

I strongly urge any Model with a site to display the 'copyright law' within your site (by way of a privacy link). It certainly helps if you ever have to take anyone to court as they can't plead 'Ignorance'. It was drawn up by our lawyers to make it simple, just copy it & substitute your name for mine. You have my permission to do so. The Guy that stole my pic & posted it in this forum certainly never read this!  But thieves beware-the Law is strongly on the side of the image owner. My images are digitally signed & I can clearly prove theft. That also applies to websites displaying sed same images-food for thought.
You now have my permission to display the ONE image that brought me here. There!



Privacy & Copyright

UNDERSTANDING COPYRIGHT All Kelly's image's are owned by Kelly Bell & Paul Bell.

Copyright laws provide for statutory penalties of thousands of Pounds per violation for theft of images.

Usually if somebody thinks you stole something, they have to prove you did. In the world of "copyright infringement", you have to prove that you DIDN'T.

For example, if someone sees one of our images used on your website/computer or a downloaded print, and we can prove that it is, indeed, our image and that we own the copyright on it. We can make a demand that you prove that you have legally acquired the right to use that image. If you can't prove it (usually in the form of a paid invoice or written permission from kelly or Paul Bell) you're in trouble .

Also if you think that you can remove those copyright watermark logos or a digital signature's on the images,  Wrong again!

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 makes it a criminal offense to remove watermarks meant to protect copyright. Many don't realize that under copyright law, it is specifically illegal to remove a watermark from a image. Not only is the act of removal prohibited, its assumed that the very attempt indicates a willful intent to violate copyright. And that's something the courts come down really hard on.

What is "Intellectual Property"?

"Intellectual property" refers to original creations in the fields of literature and the arts. Most countries in the world provide automatic copyright protection to any item of intellectual property at the instant the item is created. At the instant a photo is taken, it automatically becomes the "intellectual property" of the photographer who took it. It makes no difference what the subject is or why the photograph was taken.

What is "copyright infringement"?

Legally, the person who holds the copyright to an image has the absolute right to control how you use that photo or to deny the right to use that photo. Any unauthorized usage is an "infringement" of copyright. This includes using the picture for "reference" in a derivative work. It also includes use of images beyond that which has been legitimately purchased. For example, offering images for resale without first obtaining a license would be an infringement of copyright.

Many don't realize just how all-encompassing a copyright is. For example, there's a common misconception that any image appearing on a website may be downloaded and "saved" the computer. This is not the case. The very act of saving a copyrighted image to your computer regardless of whether you ever do anything else with the image or not constitutes a copyright infringement, minor maybe but done all the time and still an infringement nonetheless.

Why are penalties for copyright infringement so severe?

Copyright laws exist to encourage people to be creative by giving them the right to control and benefit from the products of that creativity. Because it's so easy these days for one person to "steal" the creative output of somebody else, lawmakers have recognized that for copyright laws to be effective, the penalties must be severe.

In brief, do NOT Download to your PC, Print, Copy,  Sell or E-mail any of the images from Kelly bell.com. If you do, you are breaking the law, unless you can PROVE you have either purchased or have written permission to do so.

Any Questions please contact us direct office@kelly-bell.com

[Hllywood_4_life]

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[pogo]

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[Vermillion]

Well hi Kelly,

A shame i haven't seen the image in question since you seem so nice. It would be nice to see what such a nice person looks like(but then again most of us don't know what each other looks like anyway lol).  

[Fuzzy]

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In brief, do NOT Download to your PC, Print, Copy,  Sell or E-mail any of the images from Kelly bell.com. If you do, you are breaking the law, unless you can PROVE you have either purchased or have written permission to do so.

Ummm, while I'm not questioning your right to, well, copyright, nor your desire to control your own product (and get money for it), this blanket statment has...a couple of problems with it.

Biggest one is that, everytime someone goes to your site, images download, automatically, right to your browser's cache on your PC. I can't prove I bought those images (not the least reason being, I didn't), nor do I have written permission for them.

This, therefore, makes any person who visits your site, even just seeing the home page, "breaking the law."

So you might want to modify this statement a bit to something a little less blanket...

Fuzzy