Manual on How to Convince Your GF/Wife to Go Bigger

[Ivan LeCasque]

Hi - new here. Please inform & forgive if I unintentionally break rules with this.   I'd like to connect with BEA staff about possibly co-marketing a manual I've written: How To Convince Her to Get Bigger Breasts.
    It's about 25 pages, and these techniques which are positive - not based on making anyone feel badly about herself - have worked 7 out of 9 times. One of the "Absolutely NOT" responses was back in 1992,a  different era. I think the BEA audience is a natural for this. I've tried various ways to reach the BEA, but I'm not a marketing genius - obviously. but - I know what works when it comes to getting women excited about larger breasts!


   Send your enquiry to Gabe in BEA's marketing division by clicking his name near the bottom of this page.

[sigmounte]

i'm interested !!

[Ivan LeCasque]

Sigmounte - I want to conform to BEA's rules and regs; they just gave me a way to contact someone in their HQ.

I will ask if I can give the URL where I sell the Manual. I just know there's a market for it !

[sigmounte]

if you have the possibility for your buisness , just put few of the pages has a demo , just to be sure that indeed the manual is "smart written"

[Ivan LeCasque]

OK - Thanks for the offer.  I'll pick out some key parts and do that.

[wanna_party_inLA]

25 pages on that? interesting..

[ThinWhiteDuke]

I'd interested in reading it, if only out of curiosity.  It would depend on the price, of course.  I guess what I'm trying to get across is that there is certainly a market out there for it.  Two, actually.  One would be serious about the subject - and in which case it should be well-written and thought out.  The other would approach it from a cultural oddity point of view, regardless of how effective such a manual actually is.  Either way, I think you should set a fairly low price and market it to both groups.  In other words, this is a good idea but it shouldn't be your "get rich quick" plan.

[Ivan LeCasque]

OK - I hope I'm not breaking any rules. It's $6.95 and it's at www.implants4her.info   You would be the "initial test subjects" and your feedback most welcome. It's about 36 small pages, 18 double-book...I'll promise you free updates as they come available. Consider it an 'open source' book.

Moderator: I read the rules, and didn't see anything specific about this. Would like to discuss BEA marketing the Manual, actually. Thank you, Ivan LeCasque


As I wrote earlier, Send your enquiry to Gabe in BEA's marketing division by clicking his name near the bottom of this page.  

[Questor]

Did Suzy actually give you permission to post her pics on your site?

Q

[Ivan LeCasque]

Nope. Is that an etiquette breach? I figured anything that goes up here without a copyright notice is in the public domain, including what I've posted. Please advise, thx.

You're mistaken.  Under modern copyright law, nothing is in the public domain unless its author willfully and publicly releases his or her claim of copyright.

Wikipedia:
In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.

Please familiarize yourself with the Forum Rules that you agreed to follow as a condition of your registration.

Your use of Suzy's photo is more than an "etiquette breach", because she owns the rights to her photos, and you're infringing her copyright for profit.  She is also a friend of this forum, which matters.

[Bonecracker]

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Questor said:
Did Suzy actually give you permission to post her pics on your site?

Q

I have this odd sneaking suspicion this is not going to go well...

Regards,

Bone...

[ThinWhiteDuke]

That website is a mess.  Too many words.  Too many fonts.  Too many formatting issues.  I wouldn't give whomever designed it my credit card number.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just offering my honest first reaction.  Edit, edit, edit.

[Ivan LeCasque]

Thanks for the feedback. Will work on it.

[TheOtherMe]

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Ivan LeCasque said:It's $6.95... Consider it 'open source'.

Well that's an interesting approach to Open Source.

From your website:

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The Book says:Our techniques have worked 90% of the time, failing rarely

Thank you for the clarification on 90%.

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The Book says:We guarantee you'll find the Convince Her manual life-transforming or at the last, helpful [however] we cannot guarantee that your current partner will immediately transform herself into your wildest fantasy, because every situation is different.

Guarantee Fail.

Seriously, the very idea of this book is The End of Western Civilization on paper.  It's mean-spirited and places trickery above honest discourse.  And for a book that claims to be some kind of relationship aid and zen guide to greater transparency, you might think again about giving your website the layout and cheesy OR YOUR MONEY BACK!! gloss of a daytime informercial.  I'm almost waiting for a pop-up saying "But wait, there's more!"

I hope it won't be considered 'flaming' to say that I respectfully, regretfully but sincerely hope your book fails.

[wanna_party_inLA]

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TheOtherMe said:

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Ivan LeCasque said:It's $6.95... Consider it 'open source'.

Well that's an interesting approach to Open Source.

From your website:

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The Book says:Our techniques have worked 90% of the time, failing rarely

Thank you for the clarification on 90%.

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The Book says:We guarantee you'll find the Convince Her manual life-transforming or at the last, helpful [however] we cannot guarantee that your current partner will immediately transform herself into your wildest fantasy, because every situation is different.

Guarantee Fail.

hahah this website's editing could actually be used to teach a marketing class on how to make really successful infomercial. How people buy into this is beyond any stretch of imagination.

Now on the book

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TheOtherMe said:

Seriously, the very idea of this book is The End of Western Civilization on paper.  It's manipulative, it's mean-spirited, it places trickery above honest discourse.

 

I wouldn't call it "The End of Western Civilization" but it's one more clue of how materialistic, greedy, immoral our societies have become. But a man's instinct of wanting a hot woman combined with a woman's instinct of wanting material goods/(financial) security/easy life, both key factors at one point in the survival of our specie, might very well end us in big trouble. On the plus side, the women's desire are no more noble than the men's.. And dont tell me 'change' comes from changing oneself first, it will just make the momentum of his competitors bigger.

I love the nature more than anyone, yet I would drive the biggest Hummer if it meant playing with bigger titties at night. I believe humans will need to make deep change in the way they think, but it isnt easy to change thousands of years of evolution..

[Ivan LeCasque]

All Suzy's photos removed. Thanks for advising me.


  Thank you for removing them.

[Ivan LeCasque]

The End of Western Civilization - wow! It would be interesting to know how many BEA members and visitors have, at some point, WANTED to talk their girlfriend of wife into bigger breasts - and handled it in a way that turned out unfortunately. The approach I've taken has generally been well-received by women - not always, but about 90% of the time.

[jimmyg]

Enough of the hating and flaming already!  Ok - so it's not the most top-notch website style out there - BIG F'ING DEAL!  What about the content and dream he puts forth?!

I appreciate that someone took the time to put this together.  Don't want to spend the $7 for the product?  FINE.  But he is truly an innovator.  NO ONE has attempted this before.

So enough of all the hating already.

Thank-you for all the effort you've put forth thus far, Ivan.  Learn from your errors (copyright'd stuff, etc.)  But press on.

Perhaps I can contribute as I've had some success in this area.

cheers.

[MasterDragonfly]

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Ivan LeCasque said:
Nope. Is that an etiquette breach? I figured anything that goes up here without a copyright notice is in the public domain, including what I've posted. Please advise, thx.

Random thought:  If you're doing this for a profit and you're taking random guesses regarding what is or is not public domain, you might want to retain a lawyer versed in this area of law.

As long as you're chatting up your paid professional, you might want to fill out the rest of the hour discussing what legal recourse you have if someone buys your book and then puts it out there Usenet or Rapidshare or whatever.  It could conceivably put a dent in your potential profits.  Or whatever other concerns you might have.

Each of us can offer random opinions on the subject, but unless you've engaged the appropriate professional, you basically get what you've paid for.

Even my action posting the above recommendation can be dismissed, since it's not one you've paid for.  

And the above comment, for that matter.

And that one.

And that one too.

Etc.

[Ivan LeCasque]

Thank you - apologies for errors made as a person new to some of these issues.

I'd like to get your feedback on the book itself, and your input. I write on diverse subjects from tech to real estate, never anything this controversial. It wasn't until friends began asking me why ALL my significant others got breast augmentation or more of it, that it occurred to me I might have some knowledge to offer.

The key is simply (just my experience, and the book gives details and specific suggestions ) to enlarge the life experience you propose to share with your GF/wife to encompass with the uniquely intense experience of your fantasy becoming reality - in this case she makes it happen for you. The benefit has to be clear to her, and it has to be compelling and interesting. If she gets that HER experience will also be intensified and more exciting,you have opened a door for her. You, the man, will have to follow through on delivering more excitement too, but not just around her breasts. the excitement and fulfillment needs to ripple out through the life experience you're going to hopefully keep sharing with her. The trick is being direct and honest yet positive and humorous; most men are not honest about what they want, and while some women are shocked by it, most get past that and find it refreshing. There's a reason women LOVED Howard Stern - he was absolutely direct, and they accepted him despite his vulgarity. To come back to this specific Manual and what I discovered works, let me ask everyone this. How many can say that the woman in their life KNOWS - down to her cells - that she IS the ultimate dream girl of her lover/husband? That she rules - that if her husband looks at another woman, he always - ALWAYS - dismisses her without a flicker of interest? To hold that power can be intoxicating for a woman, it's more than confidence for some, almost a sort of magic they discover they can wield. Believe me, it brings an intensity to the whole interaction that goes way beyond tthe thrill of seeing her in lowcut clothing or in nothing at all. And that excitement is felt by both man and woman.

Hmm. some of that should be in the Manual.

Anyhow, I just thought that an audience so interested in breast expansion would like some tips on how to take it from pure fantasy to daily reality.

[Ivan LeCasque]

How do I go about doing that? I have an abbreviated version of the Manual prepared. Thank you in advance,
Ivan

[MasterDragonfly]

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Ivan LeCasque said:
How many can say that the woman in their life KNOWS - down to her cells - that she IS the ultimate dream girl of her lover/husband?

Second wife, been married to her 5 years, known her for a while before that.  And it seems to me we still act in ways more apropos of a new couple.  We still crack each other up (daily, I'd say), we have a pretty good handle on each other's weak areas.  She takes great care of me, and she tells me I take great care of her.  (When one of us is amazed with something the other does, the other seems sort of puzzled, taking a "I don't think I've done anything unusual" stance.)

To this day she maintains I did not suggest to her, much less coerce her, into getting implants.  And yet I swear that my zeal for them (and the benefits thereof) somehow came through during our early days of getting to know one another.  I've wondered whether I steered her in this direction, but she assures me I did not.  So I must have managed to say the right things.

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 That she rules - that if her husband looks at another woman, he always - ALWAYS - dismisses her without a flicker of interest?

I could have seen this being a particular point of interest for my first wife, but not for collared_cherri.

No, we check out attractive women together, pointing them out to one another, with a particular emphasis on the top heavy.  The discussion might go on for a bit, wondering aloud whether the woman is a "party girl" or "high maintenance", that sort of thing.  Yeah, we've pondered getting another woman involved with us just for fun.  cherri's one hard line that must never be crossed, is if the other woman starts making suggestions regarding how cherri could take better care of me.  If that were to happen, the woman would be sent packing.  Haven't really made any efforts in this area, so it's not really a priority at this time.

Regarding "flicker of interest" if you mean "looking to stray/sneak behind her back", in which case, no interest there.

We've had discussions about her going to an even larger size, and we're both of mixed opinions on this.  On the one hand, the obvious benefits of size.  On the other hand, the martial art we practice involves certain arm movements.  Her augmented breasts are already getting a bit in the way.  And while we can speculate how things might change after going larger, it's unclear whether the lateral growth will become problematic in practicing the art.  But otherwise, she's totally on board with the idea of going bigger.

[Bonecracker]

This entire thread is insane and need to be closed now.  

Can we please get a moderator in here?



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MasterBlaster
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[likwidflame]

You know, I think this is the most even keeled flame war i've ever seen. So what if the guy wants to make a book based on how to get women to do what you want. Is that really wrong, how many times have we wanted women to cook for us or wash our laundry. If he made a book about that, all the women would be up in arms or not, but we wouldn't ban the book. I vote to keep the thread open. Unless somebody starts calling somebody Cunthat, there really isn't anything here that could sink the BEA. Seriously, lighten up. It's the internet.

Ivan, I do suggest you do a little more literature research and psychological searching of your own before considering on this business venture. I believe your book could be misconstrued, if not outrightly blamed on your manipulation. However, if you could engineer this to be more widely accepted (ie, not just implants), you might have a better shot. Remember, A well written poem about shit is still about shit.


  (Slightly edited to remove a sexist slur.)

[Ivan LeCasque]

Interesting comment about broadening the scope. Fact is, exactly the same content could be used by a woman who wanted her man to make a body change - whatever that might be.

I am absolutely certain that every day, men are coaxing women to go and get breast implants, and women are pressuring men to do .... whatever. And from what I can see, it's often done clumsily and without thinking through what it takes to keep things positive despite a sensitive topic being put forward.

The negative reaction from a couple of people here doesn't surprise me that much, just the intensity. Meanwhile, people from this community are buying the Manual. Not in great numbers, but a small trickle. I've done nothing else to publicize it, getting there gradually while I incorporate initial feedback.

I'm pretty sure that on the list of things that would pull down Western civilization, my humble Manual is near the bottom, way below something menacing like, say, pens that run out of ink too soon.

[TheCat]

I would have to say that if it's mind games and manipulation that you're promoting, I wouldn't like the manual.

The word 'convince' suggests someone who isn't all that keen on the idea in the first place. For example, someone would have to do some serious convincing to get me to eat worms, and I'd like my decisions to be respected. It's even touchier when you're trying to convince someone to change a physical aspect. That can really hurt someone.

If you're promoting encouraging someone to do something that THEY would feel would make them look and feel better, while being positive and providing a good body-image for them, then I would say that's awesome, but I would think that would be slightly trickier to pull off with a lot of women, so I'd be interested to see how that would work.

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

[Bonecracker]

Dear Cat,
You and I are very close in opinion here.  Gentle persuasion and a couple deciding to do something together, even as extreme as body modification and cosmetic surgery, is normal.

Mind control, hypnosis, and coercing someone to do something against their voluntary free will is just plain disturbing.  All I'm saying.

An instruction manual on how to thwart someone else's personal choice?  Please...

Regards,

Bone...

[TheCat]

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Bonecracker said:
Dear Cat,
You and I are very close in opinion here.  Gentle persuasion and a couple deciding to do something together, even as extreme as body modification and cosmetic surgery, is normal.

Mind control, hypnosis, and coercing someone to do something against their voluntary free will is just plain disturbing.  All I'm saying.

An instruction manual on how to thwart someone else's personal choice?  Please...

Regards,

Bone...

Absolutely. Body modification in any form is an extremely personal choice, and no one should try to manipulate, or mind-fuck someone into one decision or the other.

However, if there was a manual about how to talk openly and positively about the fetishes/fantasies/desires one has with their partner, including large breasts and anything else, THAT would be worth something.

If you have to go to the lengths of trying to coerce someone into getting bigger breasts, you might want to reevaluate being with a women with smaller breasts, because it's probably a bigger deal to you than you think, and no woman (or man) wants to hear "I don't like you as you are, change it." Even if it's subliminal, or subtle. I, for one, am not a robot to be programmed, and I think tons of other people would say the same.

But I've not read this manual, so again, if it's going in a different direction, then cool.

[beamadmax]

I would have to say if your lady-friend doesn't want implants, and it's a deal breaker for you, you should probably move on. As much as I love the boobs on a stick look, I wouldn't want to peer pressure the women I love into it if it means her hating her body for it. Mutual interests are a great relationship corner stone.

I would also like to point out that you need at least 100 people to make a legal statistic. So unless 90 out of 100 (or more) people who have bought this book's lady-friend have gone under the knife because of it, that is a falsehood to claim.

[lovefakeboobs]

I have not read your thesis, I know that if I date a small breasted woman and she does not want to get implants I have to be happy with that. that means I value something more in her than her breasts.
You got me thinking if you wrote a for other people would you have practiced your philosophy on your g/f?
I like big fake breasts I would like it if I was apart of her decision, not forcing my mojo her to convince her

[ThinWhiteDuke]

I just keep coming back to the same question in my mind so I may as well put it on the table: what does this manual offer that I wouldn't be able to get by buying a book on general persuasion?  

I mean, for roughly the same price I can get a used book on Amazon that would (presumably) teach me how to persuade everyone to do stuff - not just to get plastic surgery for me.

[wanna_party_inLA]

I think the book is a good idea, and if I can read a few page for free (to convince me that the content is more intelligent than the website) then i'll probably buy it - whats 7 bucks.

I dont understand the criticism. If it was "how to convince your boyfriend to stop looking at porn" then nobody would complain, even though at the first place this would be against his will. If its too much against his will, he wont change; if he thinks it could actually improve his relationship/life then he might listen to the arguments better and give it a try. None is forced into anything.

Afterall, as someone in this forum cleverly pointed out, relationships are all about give and take. If you cant understand that  

[derf79]

I totally agree with Party in LA. Persuasion is persuasion no matter what.

I personally can't stand fast food and huge corporations chemically altering materials to resemble food. But tonight I bought a Papi Juan's pizza because a commercial made it look irresistable. No one forced me to. But years of human evolution are used against us on a daily basis by those who understand how our internal machinery works. Every time I go to McD's I think of the years of persuasion used against me since my first Happy Meal. That's 30 years of brainwashing! But I still choose whether to eat there or go home for a sandwich.
 
Using persuasion is nothing more than selling. If you don't want, you don't buy. Look down at your clothes. Are you wearing Jordache and listening to Debbie Gibson? No, because no one's persuading you to (at this moment). But you probably have some other name brands surrounding you everywhere you look. You were persuaded. Surgery, food, clothing, all choices that we make. There is no Svengali in the wings. Never was. But there are those who have an edge in persuasion and there are those who give themselves to be easily persuaded.

I say good luck to you on the sales of your book. May I suggest you write a book on how to counter the effects of your "mind control hypnosis" so the women have an edge (and double your profits). They "apparently" are the weak willed who cannot resist the writings of your words no matter what they do and will be forced into infinite breast expansion. *wink

[3000cc]

Well spoken. I agree!

[espy]

I wonder if the appropriateness of a publication on how to talk your wife/girlfriend into getting a breast reduction would be as vigorously defended here.

Actually, I don't wonder.