Are Women As Tough As Men?

[gOOber]

i thought this was interesting.

  Ok kiddos, let's talk about woman safety and physical countermeasures.

"She's trained with an ex-Navy SEAL Seal, a French mercenary and dozens of other law enforcement officers to learn the best self-defense techniques."

She wasted her time. Unless a woman spends enough time and effort to be a fully-certified ninjitsu expert, she'll get her ass kicked by the first crazy that grabs at her. A simple fact of life remains: the average man is not a little stronger than the average woman, the average man is vastly stronger. When you factor in the crazy aspect of an attacker, you also have to realize that he probably isn't too concerned with hurting her, but her inhibitions to causing harm (which any reasonable person has) may keep her from striking with everything she has in those critical frst moments.

Now, a lot of womenfolk are going to get pissed at me saying that. Well, fark you. If you think that "women are just as tought as men" or "a woman can hold her own against men" you're wrong. You're dead wrong, and if you take that attitude into a confrontation with a crazy, you'll just be dead.

I spent four years as a close-combat instructor in the US Marines. I trained men, and I trained women. Do you know how many women ever beat me in the ring? Not one. Never. Never ever. Plenty of men took me out, yeah. I'm 5' 7" and weigh 144lbs. I'm not a tank, but I'm stronger than all but the top 1% of all women. Much like the thugs and villains that you have to defend against, I like to fight and I'm good at it. I know precious few women that can truthfully say the same thing.

Now, this is not a women-bashing session, no sir-ee. I bring to you valuable knowledge which may save your life, prevent a [censored] , or maybe even bring peace and prosperity unto the Earth. Yea, it is so.

Women:The first step to defending yourself against a larger male aggressor is to ignore any groin-kicking, mace-spraying, or non-stop stomach-punching action you may have learned in one of those pansy "I can protect myself" She-Ra courses. It won't work, for many reasons. Drugs will dull the pain of a kick, anger will keep an attacker moving through pepper spray, and as I referenced above, chances are you aren't strong enough to hurt them with a punch if you even know where to strike.

So what do you do? I'll tell you, but there is a cardinal rule: NEVER HOLD BACK. Your attacker will [censored] you then kill you, then possibly [censored] you again. Don't hesitate to kill first. It's better to have a guilty conscience than to have worms feasting on your succulent flesh.

Attacks: (in my order of preference)
Eye-gouge - I'm not talking a Stooges eye-poke. I'm talking a thumb-deep to the knuckle drive. Grind that farking digit into his ocular socket until you feel the hot wet explosion of eye-ball goo that signifies your survival. I have yet to hear of an attacker choosing to remain on the offensive after this one. It's fast, and damned effective.

Biting - BITING! Not nibbling. The human jaw can produce hundreds of pound of pressure, particularly if you are an avid gum chewer. Take a bite, and keep grinding those jaws until you have a big bloody mouthful of man-meat, then spit it on the ground and go for seconds. After a good couple chomps, he'll kick you off and run away. Again, I have never heard of this attack failing. People FEAR being bitten. It ranks high up there with permanent disfigurement: something people are MORE afraid of than death.

Ewwww! - Last but certainly not least is the Ewww! factor. Unless they are supremely crazy, a man will not attempt to [censored] or rob a woman who's pissing, puking, or shiatting herself. Yes, I know, it's nasty. I want you to ask yourself though, does [censored] wash off as easily as fecal material? It's a very good way to escape kidnappings, too.

Fight dirty, girls. You don't have a choice, it's not a level playing field. If you have the option to carry weapons, I strongly urge you to take a weapons safety course and acquire a concealed weapons permit. If you can't have firearms, powerful stunners (300,000 volts +) work wonders against assailants. They are often more effective as well. A drug-crazed attacker may well shrug off a .38 round, but there's no way he can withstand a zap from the 600,000 volt Black Widow personal security device. It's not possible. The electric jolt shorts out his nerve system, for lack of a better description.


So, that's it in a nutshell. Be safe, and keep your wits about you. If you go out drinking, go with friends, and NEVER LEAVE A FRIEND BEHIND!    

[Sleeper]

I hate fitness with strong women

   

[Sadistyk]

I hate to say this but Goober is right on many levels.  I too have trained both men and women to wrestle.  Now this is not the type of wrestling that takes place in high school or the olympics, I'm talking professional like you see on tv.  I have trained/attempted several women.  Only 1 made it all the way through her training.  On the same hand I have trained several men, even considering the ones I scared off, the ratio is still overwhelmingly in favor of the men.  If only I could get Zasha down to my training center?

Goober is right on the fight dirty rule too.  It applies to men and women though.  I'm 5'7" and 175 lbs. and I had to learn every dirty trick in the book.  I believe I even invented a few.  Most of the time wrestling is fake, but you always come across one asshole who loves to purposely hurt people.  I've had my fair share and thanks to playing a dirty game, I have turned every bad situation into a one-sided ass-kicking...and every one of those I was able to walk away from unharmed, unlike my victim.  Of course I have studied several forms of martial arts too, so that helps.  

The best teacher I ever had was Royce Gracie(of UFC fame).  I learned the art of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu from him and trust me, it is effective if you are outsized.  With his training I could get into a fight, end up on my back with my attacker on top of me, and still win.  It's really a last-ditch effort, but it is lethaly effective.

The best bet is still to draw attention to the area you are in.  There are many products out now that emit excrutiatingly loud noises that have been proven to work.  Scream "FIRE" if you can, it works better than yelling "HELP" or "**14**".  And if possible, always travel in a pair or group, there are strengths in numbers.


 

[DruulEmpire]

I really appreciate a minimal bullshit thread like this one, which has at least as much to teach men as women.  Thank you, gOOber and Styk -- and I am especially intrigued to hear the case made for stunners vs. guns.  I imagine an Uzi migh trump a stunner -- but then, I'm not planning on carrying any Uzis.  In general we all need to keep remembering: there is pleasing, even inspiring mythic imagery, of the sort that rtpoe writes Bigguns articles about (plug, plug) -- and then there is the real deal.  Get revved by the ideal, but get raw for the real.

[Catch]

Don't forget the words of Sammuel Colt.

"The Colt 45 makes all men (and women) truly equal."

In other words, if she's packing heat your screwed.

[Imaginos]

The issue with a gun is that you have to get a permit to carry, you have to get another permit to carry it hidden in many cases and it can cause you hassles if found even with a permit unless your a cop of some sort.

Stun guns on the other hand have far fewer issues and while they may not kill someone they will take them out.

 

[Zorlond]

Another issue with guns is they tend to escalate situations very quickly. If a guy attacks a woman (let's assume he's just crazed), and she draws a pistol on him, one of two things will happen. One, she puts a (half-dozen) hole(s) in him. Right then, right there. Two, they end up in a wrestling match for control of it. He's not going to stand there and be intimidated unless you've got at least four paces on him. People fear guns for damn good reason, and a crazy will fear it just as much as a sane person, and that means they want to be in charge of it. Fact is, you'd best be ready to use it right when you strap it on in the morning (cause if you don't draw and he finds it while pawing you...).  

[Janus]

 There is no such thing as a fair fight. Period. A freind of mine has an opening move...it's called "tackle the bitch" (bitch meaning generic). Another guy I know throw something at someone, I begin with a trip.

  The only fight I was in, was with someone bigger than me. He was cocky....I was pissed. He got bruised to all hell. Hated me for a year, and I was a bully for a year...not my favorite time in my life.

  I know girls who've konked guys out...and are practically seven foot tall rugby players. It's all about who you're raised around...and I see a lot of capable women who can kick ass. Remember, women gain muscle differently from guys...she can look half your size, but be as strong as you. Men's muscles naturally "puff up" so think about that for a bit.

 My strength? Next to zero, I'm not that strong, but I rarely fall. A friend of mine hit me in the legs with a bat...I looked at him, put the bat away and said "yeah...whatever." Later that evening he told me "you tok that like a soldier!" and told me he felt the bat reverb in his hands...he knew it had to be killing me. I told him that it did hurt...and it still hurt, but that I could cope with it. He asked me if I was a masochist...I told him I was shorter than everyone I know, and with no physical strength...I had to come up with SOME mechanism to get me through a fight.

 Remember look out for women, short guys and crazy people.    You'd be surprised how many people get overconfident and lose.

J- Hop. C'mon get giant flemish bunnies.  

[ElmerFudd]

Regarding that pain resistance, reminds me of the scene in the movie "All The President's Men" when Deep Throat relates this story to Woodward - "he held his hand over a candle flame until you could smell the burning, and didn't even flinch.  When they asked him what the secret was, he said "the secret is not minding."  

[Shimmerin]

Regarding the guns, seeing as how I have a permit for conceled carry.  21 feet it the normal distance most encounters start out and its also the maximum lethality range of a knife.  They basically tell you if the person is closer than that AND you do not already have your gun drawn and ready to fire you re better off with hand fighting.  In the time it will take you to pull the weapon and arm it the other person has already closed the distance and is pummeling you for control of your weapon.  Moral of the story?  Carry a knife or a stun gun to increase your combat prowess.

Now I don't know how it works outside of Pennsylvannia however when you carry a gun here you are required to protect others lives with it as well as your own.  HOWEVER!  that is only in the MOST EXTREME circumstances ever!  Such as a police officer is being pummeled and about to be shot with his own service pistol.  In other words death dismeberment or worse.  

On the other side they also tell you DO NOT pull your weapon in a hold up situation because all it will do it complicate the situation.  IE, you are in a convienance store and a guy runs in and points a gun at the clerk and demands the money.  At that point if you draw your weapon YOU are risking your own life and the life of the clerk as most robbers get the cash and jet.  So whats worse?  losing 100 bucks which the insurance will pay them back or someone losing their life?

I HOPE I NEVER have to EVER draw my weapon, EVER.  However if is neccasary I would rather have it and NEVER need it than NEED it and NEVER have it.

I'd rather just carry my sword.

[BillN]

I've never been able to win a Reaux Chambeaux with one.






(Ask somebody that has watched a lot of South Park.)

[_iSpork]

I thought I'd chime in on this a bit.

That is a very well put statement (the opening story), but the author failed to recognize the exceptions.  So he was a military hand to hand combat instructor - how wonderful for him.  That means that the statistics that he cited are based upon a very small, almost infinitesimal percentage of the female population.

While it is true that females are typically more emotionally controlled and males are typically more chemically controlled (and thus the stated inherent general weakness/hesitation of females in an altercation), there are exceptions to every rule, and there are some very strong (not only of body, but of mind, will, and self-control) women out there.

I'd hate to get in a full on fight with my wife.  Even though I outweigh and outsize her by a very wide margin, that does not slow her down a bit; she usually takes me when we spar.  You should see her in the club...We ALMOST don't need a bouncer to cover her area:  She usually beats them to trouble anyway, if one of the other ladies is close and in trouble (although it has only happened a couple of times).  She can definitely take care of herself, but I still worry about her a bit.

On the subject of firearms:

You absolutely must be ready to use it if you are going to carry it.  It is also imperative that you know the laws governing the use of firearms.

My favorite parable about the use of firearms is that of one of my uncles:

A former state trooper, he refused to draw his weapon unless it was absolutely the last resort, the final end.  He said that the only time that he would draw his weapon was in the case where it would be used.  Fortunately, he was never forced to draw.  All of the television cops and crap that we see, with them running around with their weapons drawn, just makes him sick to his stomach.  

[TheZookie007]

The original question was "Are Women As Tough As Men?" not "are they as strong as men?" Generally speaking, yes, men are stronger than women...but I would say that, on the whole, women are tougher.

Heck, childbirth ain't no picnic! You men oughta try it sometime -- and I can guarantee that if men were getting pregnant, there'd be zero population growth in double-quick time!

It takes a lot of hard work (or chemical help) for a woman to get as muscular as a man. Yeah, there are some women who are simply genetically endowed to grow muscle, but women's muscles need not be as big as a man's to be as strong as a man's.

[MunchWolf]

Nyah, they're tougher:
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/shared-auto/healthscout/mens/512473.html

-Munch "Estrogen - the wonder drug" Wolf

[Janus]

So, wait...does this make me a woman? Wiggy.

J- Can't believe those days of refusing painkillers as a [censored] when getting braces tightened to be more of a man made him more of a woman.  

[Gorppet]

Quote:
When they asked him what the secret was, he said "the secret is not minding."  

True enough.  Pain is entirely in your head, just have to get used to it.  Being cursed, I've had 3 head injuries, nails all the way through my foot, multiple burns, many deep cuts, 4 or 5 ricochets, seperated tendons, many, many, many shocks...
After all this crap I put a sword into my foot maybe a year ago, I was LAUGHING at my own stupidity, and ten or fifteen minutes later I was on my way to work.  It's all in your head, just suck it up.
Or, as Denis Leary put it, "Life sucks, get a f****** helmet."

As for concealed firearms, I recommend a revolver if you're carrying a handgun regularly.  If your automatic jams, which is more likely with a carry gun because if you leave it loaded for too long the spring in the magazine weakens, you're screwed.  A good revolver may be bulkier but they're much more dependable.

Finally, to hell with tasers and knives.  If you're carrying a close-combat weapon, get yourself a Pulse Wave Myotron.  They aren't cheap  (around $200 last time I checked) but they're light, work through 3 inches of clothing or armor, disrupt brain waves, and cause instant paralysis lasting around 15 minutes.

I shall now shut up.  
 

[TheZookie007]

Wow Gorppet, that's some series of pain-inducing incidents. How in the world did you learn to "get used to it"? A neat skill to pick up, methinks.

Thanks for your knowledgeable and interesting post!

[Gorppet]

LOL.  Like I said, I'm cursed.  All the men in the family seem to be.
With us, it's not "s*** happens," it's "highly improbable s*** WILL happen even if there is NO reason for it."  Before I was maybe 8 years old my older brother had already saved me from drowning twice, pulled me out of the way of a truck, caught me before I landed head-first when I was jumping on the bed....
Oh, and I forgot some.  Some #$@%@#$%#@$%$%ers at Sears dropped a refrigerator on my foot when I was maybe 9, I've had my hand mashed in a trailer door, I've been clocked upside the head with a tuba....

Ain't life great?  LoL.


 

[TheZookie007]

Sort of like a real-life Unbreakable, eh?

[Gorppet]

LoL.  Never saw it.  Bruce Willis used to be cool, now he's just goin downhill.  
Fast.

 

[YS]

Are Women As Tough As Men?

Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Evolution caused the gender differences. If males are bigger and stronger now, it's for a reason.

[SwitcherX]

Unless a woman spends enough time and effort to be a fully-certified ninjitsu expert, she'll get her ass kicked by the first crazy that grabs at her.

I wonder if we know any women that have taken the time.....   

[brakblake]

I wonder if we know any women that have taken the time.....   

lol, I was about to say that.....Simple answer is depends on who you ask.

I'm certain Shara at least would have something to say about it

[YS]

And if she carries a small pistol up her sleeve, the first crazy that grabs at her ends up with holes in intestines and in a lot of pain..

[Tenshi]

when men tend to be weak, they say: grow some balls
they'd be better off saying: grow a pussy, those can take a pounding

[SwitcherX]

I'm really drunk right now and all I have to say is:

I accept your challenge.

[YS]

they'd be better off saying: grow a pussy, those can take a pounding

Except, being able to take a pounding is secondary. More important to be able to dish it out.

[CarlTL]

A nine year old thread resurrection?

Has to be a near record.

[naken]

Humans are weaklings. Somewhere along the line where we diverged from the apes, we picked up a mutation in muscle development. The net result is that even a small chimpanzee can whip the arse of the toughest man in the world.

Oh, and guns are barbaric.

[Cutter]

Basic pain threshold? Women win, come on they pass a small human.

Basic ass kicking capacity - Men.

[Bad Kitty]

I'm afraid I have never dated a guy who was even "as strong" as I am. or as tall as I am for that matter.

so the intro to this article strikes me as rubbish.

though i'm sure it applies to some women.

frankly though, size is not all that almighty important. there are numerous points on the human body which can cause death with a fairly minimal amount of force. put another way, the human body is disturbingly fragile, if you know how and where to strike it. a tiny 100lb person (male or female) could easily kill someone my size with a single blow if they knew what they were doing. we live in a culture where fighting is expected to consist of something like boxing, when in reality you want to do things that are illegal in boxing, and/or impossible with boxing gloves on. if you're throwing a haymaker, then it matters how big you are. If you're putting a tiger fist to the laranx or a thumb to the eye socket, you will be equally effective whether you're the Hulk or Mini Mouse.

besides, all of this completely ignores the issue of being armed or not, which pretty much erases all gender differences as well. "being stoned" doesn't make an assailant bulletproof, whether it dulls their sense of pain or not.

actually i'm not so sure i get all this stuff about people feeling no pain when high, most high people i've known felt pain pretty decently, and fear as well. And personally, in a crisis situation, my own capacity to feel pain diminishes to near zero, without any drugs or anything, just adrenaline.



the main difference between an average girl and an average male assailant (a tiny minority of guys mind you), is the level of aggression, not the physical capability. killer instinct if you will. this is true when a guy is attacked by another guy as well. generally the assailant has a much higher level of a aggression, and that carries the day. so really what one needs, more than knowledge of where/how to strike someone, or even more than being armed, is ready access to their inner combatant. the ability to mentally switch gears, as needed, to deal with different circumstances.

this aggression issue is also tied to a sort of unspoken psychological dominance play. a sort of primal jockeying for the positions of predator or prey. if you regard your attacker from a defensive mindset, you are the prey, even if you are a 'spunky' prey. there's something to be said for turning the tables though. If a conflict really is un-salvageable, if someone's going to get hurt no matter what choices you make, then there's no point catering to higher functions like compassion for fellow sentient beings. make your assailant the prey. if you really genuinely perform this role shift, he may actually leave. and if not, well, the dark bit can't complain that you never let it out to play.

[DruulEmpire]

On this subject I am only going to say that I just saw the movie "Haywire" and I am already thinking of Gina Carano as Manlicker Carano.  (As in Mannlicher Carcano ... oh, never mind.)

[YS]

Oh.. Gina Carano.
If all women were so tough, there'd be very little domestic violence..

Oh, and guns are barbaric.

More barbaric than flattening someone's head with a hammer, or hacking off their head with a sword, I presume..

[Lesbian Bob]

Think of it this way:  women not only give birth but want to give birth.  No man would knowingly volunteer for such pain.