Bad Kitty's Nipple Enlargement Thread

[Bad Kitty]

I've been researching and working on this topic for a while now. Personally, I find the idea of having larger nipples to be almost as arousing as having larger breasts. Except that nipples aren't heavy, don't give you back pain, and people are not likely to view large prominent nipples as 'fake'. Also, nipple enlargement looks to be a good deal cheaper than breast enlargement.

Personally, I am curious just how far this idea can be taken. Just how much can you enlarge nipples? Well, I've been putting together a multi-step program to find the answer

My first female lover had large prominent nipples which were very sensitive. They were the size & shape of Dots gummy candies, like you buy in the theater:

I used to love suckling them. And I was desperately jealous of them too. And in the years since then, my desire for nipples like hers has become exaggerated and blown out of proportion (I'm sure you all can empathize). And now I wish to have nipples even larger than hers. My current aspirations for "real life" nipple size are about the length and girth of a large thimble:

the sort which would fit a man with large hands.

And yeah, that's pretty darn big. The only thing which will stop me from achieving this goal, is the risk of losing sensitivity, or the risk of losing the ability to express milk. But we'll go over that later.

I have been studying the subject for a while, and I have put together a pretty extensive list of methods to accomplish my goal. These include vacuum-based body modding, hormones, inducing lactation, maximizing lactation output, using collagen and related injectable substances, and body fat/cartilage based augmentation surgery. I won't be using the last method, as it is particularly risky to both sensitivity and nursing capability. But the rest still offer an amazing amount of possibility.

For those wanting pics, I'm not really a nude pics girl. If you've seen my morphs, that probably makes no sense at all. But there's some bit of modesty in my personality makeup which has kept me with nary a nude pic on the internet so far. IF my results are really impressive, I may give in, and in the interest of science, provide some close up pics showing how things are working out. We shall see.

The battle so far:
I have for several years now been using suction devices to enlarge my nipples. But I'll be honest, until quite recently, I was not really putting in the kind of regularity and dedication it will take to actually cause body reshaping. Body reshaping can be done via any applied force on the body. I have experience with it from corseting. And the key there, is regularity. In order for a corset to make a lasting impact on the shape of your waist, you have to get a heavy duty custom fitted corset for daytime use, and a secondary sleeping corset for nighttime use. The goal is to be in a corset about 22-23 hours a day for a prolonged period of time (months). If you wear a corset every other sunday, it won't do anything. Suction devices are the same.

Until quite recently i had a device called the Avent Nipplette system. Which is designed for correcting inverted nipples for expectant mothers. It cost about $40. It consisted of 2 small suction cup devices with small tubes coming out of them. and a syringe style pump to suck the air out of them. you moisten the cups, and place them over your nipples, and then you use the syringe plunger to suck the air out of them, pulling your nipples into the cups. I have to say that this device was actually very good. But I didn't use it regularly, and then i lost the pump part of it last year. I plan to re-order another set of this, because it is small enough to wear out & about if you wear a padded bra and stuff it slightly.

I also have a pair of black fetish-play suction cups for nipples. They are larger in diameter and length (huge actually), and they actually work very well. The catch is, that because of their length, you can't wear them outside the house, and if you try to sleep with them, they'll get knocked off by the covers in no time. I have been using these for about 6 months while I use my computer though, which amounts to a few hours a day. This is really the first time I started using suction cups seriously to modify my body shape instead of just as an occasional nipple torture toy. I have noticed some permanent results from using these cups daily. Mainly my nipples have more projection, and slightly more girth. Also, because the cups are quite large, they suck a portion of my areoli into the cups as well, and as a result I have noticed that my areoli have become more conical in shape, instead of flush with the surface of the breast. I have been impressed with what a few hours a day every day has caused, but I intend to seriously step up my efforts.

When the replacement nipplette product arrives, I'm going to start wearing that during the day, at work and such. While on the computer, I'm going to continue using the large fetish cups. And I am still searching for a solution which will stay in place reliably while I sleep, but I am confident that I'll find something. (the nipplette cups are low profile enough, but they are not large enough to have a really strong grip on the nipple, without a bra to hold them in place, they fall off in my sleep (i toss & turn a bit). I *could* just start wearing a sports bra to bed though... but i really like sleeping nude. If that turns out to be the best solution, i'll just have to sleep with a bra for a while though. I'm searching other options.

Later I'll provide more discussion on ideas for continuing my diabolical plan.

[Ouroboros]

It certainly sounds like you've thought this through, and I'm always a fan of nice big nipples, however are you sure that long term exposure to this kind of treatment won't have any averse effects? I know next to nothing about human physiology but permanently engorging nipples through pumping sounds a bit off to me.

Anyways, I'm sure that you've done your due diligence. So best of luck and hurrah for huge thumb tip sized nipples!

p.s. I can't read diabolical plan without going adding a muahahahahaha.

[ltfields]

Good luck to you in your nipple enlargement quest, and...

 

[Bad Kitty]

muahahaha

Well, engorgement is a temporary effect. What causes lasting body modification is a constant force applied over a prolonged period of time. As the body replaces cells naturally, it will tend to adapt to forces being applied on it. if some portion of tissue is under constant pulling or pressure either one, the tissues will gradually adapt to relieve the tension. whether pushing or pulling. corseting, increasing piercing sizes, indentations at the shoulder straps of bras or the beltline around the waist, etc. are all examples of the process. It's not a painful amount of force that does the trick, just constant.

Excessive force is not required or helpful. I've heard some claim that suction methods of body modding work by causing scar tissue... if that's the case then they're applying way too much force. A much more reasonable amount of force, applied 'most of the time' over a period of months, will have much more effect, and not through scar tissue.

Circulation is the only real concern. In general, the engorgement side effect of suction based methods will ensure significant circulation, perhaps even improved circulation. If too much force is applied though, it *could* cause engorgement with poor circulation, by interfering with the normal blood flow in the area. Also, if the kind of force which actually works via scar tissue formation is used, then that can cause nerve damage to any body part. All of the potential health risks of suction based body modding are really caused by excessive amounts of suction force, not excessive periods of suction time. And the vast majority of actual body modding effect comes from excessive periods of suction time, not force. So... it works out well.

and yes, when i'm on the computer, there's a good chance i'm wearing the large suction cups (like right now). been a bit tender lately (fighting a bug I think, always makes things a little tender) so i'm going with an especially moderate amount of suction.

In my research on suction based nipple enlargement, I have heard everything from "it doesn't work at all" to stories of causing really extreme body changes over long periods of time. Based on my own experience with tightlacing (corseting), I've heard the same mix of responses, and have found from first hand experience and watching peers with similar interests, that the effectiveness of 'body modding by applied force' really comes down to how much time and effort you're willing to devote to it. If you dabble, you won't see any results at all. If you really dedicate yourself to it, you can achieve rather extreme results in the long run.

I hope to soon have a system set up where I wear 3 different sizes of suction cups over the course of a 24 hour period, and am applying at least gentle suction to my nipples about 22 hours a day. But I plan to do this for no more than a year's time at the most, as I want to induce lactation sometime next year, and that will directly interfere with nipple suction methods.

Inducing lactation causes an average breast growth of 1-2 cup sizes, and nipple growth of about 50%. In some cases it's less, and in some cases it's more. I've heard of people gaining as much as 3 cup sizes and doubling their nipple size. But I'm sure there are others who have more minimal effects from lactation, to make the average what it is. The breast growth (on average) is "partially permanent". Some of it goes away after stopping lactation, some of it stays. From what I can tell, about 1/2 - 2/3 of the swelling will 'stay' after lactation ends. And nearly all of the nipple growth will be permanent.

It is my hope, that having more nipple tissue (from suction body modding) going into lactation, will simply provide more nipple tissue to grow with lactation. ie: double the size of the nipples with suction, and then grow them 50% via lactation, for a total of 300% original size. Or put yet another way, I'm hoping that the nipple growth of lactation is multiplicative, rather than additive. It's equally likely that the nipple growth won't benefit from the extra tissue created by nipple suctioning. That it will be additive not multiplicative. If this is the case, then 100% increase in size plus 50% from lactation would result in 250% original nipple size.

I'm not quoting actual expected size results, the 100% growth from suctioning may actually be underestimating it a bit. I'm just trying to illustrate how I hope lactation will affect the overall progress of nipple enlargement.

To make sure of peak body-modding benefit from lactation, I do plan to try to really push myself to achieve as high a level of milk production as I possibly can, at least for a while. Though I don't plan to be super-rigorous in my nursing/pumping indefinitely, it's just too much work. But I do think that I may continue to enjoy lactation 'indefinitely', as the idea has always been a huge turn on for me, and I'm desperately curious what it feels like

[Bad Kitty]

Good luck to you in your nipple enlargement quest, and...
 

thanks

I'm sure it will be fun

[Djoser]

I prefer average sized nipples... they make boobs bigger than average look bigger and fuller. However i'm not agaoinst bigger nipples as long as the girl really wanted them :p

[Bad Kitty]

Some guys really like the small nipple look. A fair number of guys actually. I get it, personal tastes & all. As abe lincoln said, "you can't make all of the people happy all of the time". Plus really the only one I think I really need to make happy is me, but I know you get that. I'm just saying I get that your tastes are different than mine, and I appreciate that you might be thinking 'oh nooo' hehe.
I'll do my best to explain this alien viewpoint of mine

I think it's probably rare that boob-obsessed girls would prefer small nipples, because small nipples with large boobs is like a guy with small penis and large balls. The nipple really is the 'business end' of a breast. The rest of the breast is sensitive to impact because of the glandular tissues inside, but is not abnormally sensitive to 'touch' compared to the rest of the body. I mean just for example, my neck, clavicle area, shoulders, inner thighs, front of my hips, sides of my ribcage, small of my back, etc. are all more sensitive than the non-nipple area of my breasts. The breasts are a bit more 'psychologically' sensitive, because if someone's touching the side of my boob, then they are likely to eventually touch my nipples, so there's that sense of anticipation. And if someone is poking or squeezing my breasts enough that it manipulates my nipples/areoli by proxy of them being connected to the rest of the boob, then that can be pleasantly stimulating. But I think the nipples (areoli & nipple) are bulls-eye shaped for a reason

Also, I already have rather large areoli. They actually used to be "puffies" until my breasts grew a little more and kinda pressed them out flat. To describe my breasts briefly in their natural state: pale skin (freckle a bit if i get sunlight, but i don't). C-cup (but look like B-cup on my tall/amazon frame) with pinkish nipples having the width and projection similar to a round asprin tablet, on top of pale-pink areoli which are wide & flat (when warm), covering an area which if i put a soup can up against them, I can just barely see the edges of my ereoli peeking out all around the periphery. Compared to the rest of the breast, measuring from the side of the breast, around the front and to the inner edge of the breast, my areoli probably represent 1/4th or 1/5th of that distance. Which is enough surface area, that when my nipples are relaxed/warm, my breasts sag a bit, and when they are aroused or cold, and the areoli contract somewhat, my breasts become noticeably more taut and perky. Anyway, the point is... my nipples are kinda small on someone my size (sensitive as heck though), and my areoli are impressively large, at least on my C cup breasts. I don't mind that my areoli are so large, as they are noticeably more sensitive than the surrounding breast skin, so... its hard to complain about that.

So, to have nipples which are size-matched to my areoli, They'd have to be about grape sized. My personal tastes are for nipples which are slightly oversized compared to the areoli. So on me that would be "a bit larger than grapes". And that fairly well describes my size goal. I also like nipples/areoli which are slightly larger than average compared to the breast. At my current breast size, if I make my nipples a slightly big for my areoli, then my overall nipples will be "really big" on my C-cup breasts. But I do plan to increase my breast size several cup sizes to bring it all closer to being in proportion.

I have noticed, that when I see large breasts with small nipples, I tend to more automatically think "breast implant". Since the breast mass is out of proportion to the exposed part of the mammary tissue. In other words, setting shape and boob physics aside, it looks "less natural" to me. Meanwhile if i see a breast which in size/shape/physics looks like it's been augmented with implants... but the nipples are impressive compared to the rest of the breast... then I think "oh, maybe they are natural, but just really crammed in there". Every natural breast I have seen which is naturally very rounded and un-saggy, had prominent nipples betraying an impressive set of mammary glands within (which are much denser and firmer than the body fat that makes up the majority of a breast).

My favorite breast shape is in the 'uncertain zone' between implanted and natural. Not like someone smuggling coconuts tightly under their skin, and not like very saggy 90% bodyfat breasts which have no structural shape to fight with gravity. Where breasts have a 'somewhat' rounded shape, a fair amount of projection, are 'somewhat' firm, and are in a stalemate versus gravity (the breast's shape and gravity competing roughly equally). Actually I'm kinda describing the shape and consistency of more average sized natural breasts. I like the consistency of B/C cup natural breasts which have a higher proportion of mammary to fat tissues. I just like them 'bigger' than that size

Submuscular implants seem to provide the look I like best (or low profile subglandular implants). And I think breast augmentations look best if the person has some boob to start with, so you're adding to an existing boob, rather than creating breast mass from scratch.

Anyway, in that 'kinda augmented / kinda natural' shape, having large prominent nipples will usually make the breasts look more decisively 'natural'. And having larger breasts is in my long term goals. So having larger breasts (eventually), my huge nipples will help sell them as looking natural.

Also, as a lactation fetishist, I just like big nipples "moo"

Also, as someone with very sensitive nipples which are a huge component of my body's sexual stimulation, the idea of 'more nipple' has just been a lifelong turn on. Likewise a larger clit and a capacity for deeper penitration, are similar fantasies of mine. Basically, fantasy-wise, it's all about hyper-sexualizing the body. For a guy, that would simply be "I want a bigger dong". For a girl having a similar interest, there's a variety of components to it

And, last but not least... while I fantasize often about impossibly huge breasts and out of control lactation which would basically take over my life... the sensible parts of my mind would definitely veto that, simply because there's a lot of other things I want out of life (other than being an exaggerated sex object that is). I do intend to make my breasts 'somewhat larger' but I don't really plan to go overboard with that (although I really appreciate the ladies who do or are naturally born kinda 'overboard' in the boob department). Nipples on the other hand... well I don't think huge nipples will cause back pain, etc. There's only one downside to having huge nipples, and that's that they will show through clothing more easily.

And I have to admit, that having really prominent nipples which show through clothing... the idea turns me on. It's simultaneously embarrassing, and erotic, to have people notice my nipples and find them a bit indecent. I'm not normally very submissive, but this particular turn-on does strike me as having submissive overtones. If people are wow'ed by my nipples, then I doubt they will suspect that I deliberately made them huge. So they probably won't go off on one of those tiresome tirades about the evils of plastic surgery or body modding (I know most of you here will agree with me that such attitudes are annoying).

Some of these reasons are just side-points. Really, I find the idea of having really large nipples to be sexy, and the idea of them being noticed through clothing to also be sexy, and the idea of them being proud symbols of lactating goodness to also be sexy. they're just sexy

[Bad Kitty]

Progress up till now:

as a combined effect of some periodic suction nipple torture over the past 6 years or so, and my more recent regular 3-4 hours a day with the large suction cups, my nipples have increased in size slightly. They have gone from an original size which I would describe as "very slightly smaller than a round asprin pill" to a size slightly larger than an m&m candy. We're talking about a difference of a couple millimeters of girth, and a couple millimeters of projection, not a huge difference. But it is noticeable, and I'm really just getting started on seriously trying to body mod them.

Interestingly the areoli have been affected by the larger suction cups I'm currently using (I believe they're 3/4's inch) large black fetish suction cups. The size of these suction cups pulls in some of the areoli around the nipple. The nipple quickly swells huge in the vacuum, but not 3/4" huge so there is some areola being pulled into the cups and pulled forward into the suction. The result has actually rather rapidly changed the shape of my areoli. They used to be flat when warm, and they'd scrunch up and become wrinkly when cold or turned on, but they would remain pretty flat in shape. Now they have taken on a slightly cone-shape. And the areoli themselves have permanently increased in protrusion by about 3-4 millimeters, enough to see them as gently cone shaped rather than flat against the breast. This has made my nipples more prominently displayed, as the base of the nipple is sticking out further when my nipples are erect, giving the nipple itself a bit of an assist with projection distance. I'm really impressed by how rapidly responsive my areoli have been to modding.

I like the idea of increasing the conical shape of my alreoli somewhat, but the areoli seem to be responding faster than the nipple themselves. So I will probably discontinue using the larger suction cups when some other, more moderately sized, suction cups I have ordered arrive. I'll probably try to focus in on the nipples themselves only, until they are at a size close to what I want, then I'll use an even wider oversized suction device (probably 1" or a bit wider) to make my areoli somewhat more conical than I've already achieved. My end result ideal is the thimble sized nipples on top of 2" wide areoli (when hard, almost 3" wide when soft), which project forward in a cone shape about 10-15mm. So 5cm wide x 1-1.5cm tall areoli.


PS: Something worth mentioning, is that some of this is "theory". Educated theory, but still... I expect that over the next year I will end up having to retract and/or add to some statements about how this all works.

[solvegas]

I've been reading your last two entries Bad Kitty and I really hope you get what you wish. I read what you have put down and, while your tone is basically serious and all business, what you have is .... HOT !  It's so hot when women talk about how they are going to change and what and how they are going to do it. The imagination just runs wild. I understand your wish for privacy and I don't expect pictures but it would be so hot to see it. Perhaps you could draw them ? A representation ? If I'm being rude in your opinion please disregard my comments and I profusely apologize. I'm just a perv .... connosiour of huge breasts and the women who have them. 

[louhi]

websearch "supple nipps"

They've got you covered.

[MasterDragonfly]

This is way cool.

I think one aspect which I find interesting is that BK has effectively "geeked out" in terms of having done some serious research on this. Definitely more than 15 mins of online searching after a moment of passing curiosity.

The content is of course very informative. And the coolness factor is high.

[Bad Kitty]

I've been reading your last two entries Bad Kitty and I really hope you get what you wish. I read what you have put down and, while your tone is basically serious and all business, what you have is .... HOT !  It's so hot when women talk about how they are going to change and what and how they are going to do it. The imagination just runs wild. I understand your wish for privacy and I don't expect pictures but it would be so hot to see it. Perhaps you could draw them ? A representation ? If I'm being rude in your opinion please disregard my comments and I profusely apologize. I'm just a perv .... connosiour of huge breasts and the women who have them. 

That's not offensive at all. And really, if I were doing this professionally, I probably should have pics just to be more informative. I don't have a working camera at the moment... but really I should document this properly.

I think we're in the same boat with thinking this idea is hot though I mean it rather turns me on to think about the results I want to see, hehe. I kinda doubt you're any 'pervier' than me

To be honest, I haven't yet gone into depth on some of my plan here yet

websearch "supple nipps"

They've got you covered.

Actually I ordered some of those. I bought a variety of nipple suction devices.
The most important will be the Nipplette ones, as they can be worn while at work & such. Particularly with cooler weather and heavier clothing on the way. I am hoping the supple nipps or another small suction cup type will prove to work well overnight for sleeping. If I can get nipple suction at work and while asleep, then it becomes very easy to put my nipples into suction for a majority of every day, which really is the key.

This is way cool.

I think one aspect which I find interesting is that BK has effectively "geeked out" in terms of having done some serious research on this. Definitely more than 15 mins of online searching after a moment of passing curiosity.

The content is of course very informative. And the coolness factor is high.

hehe, I tend to geek out on any topic I have an interest in. I change interests periodically, and then just exhaustively study them, then move on to the next interesting thing.

I've definitely got a little mad scientist in me

[Bad Kitty]

In the mad scientist vein... I should bring up an idea I've had about this nipple enlargement program of mine.

Breasts, nipples, mammary tissue, chest fat, milk ducts, nerves, etc. all respond to hormones. I mean, they grow in the first place because hormones tell them to. Now they do have built in mechanisms where they stop or greatly reduce their response to hormones after a while, so that they only grow "so much" and don't just keep growing (except in rare cases, which many of you probably already know all about).

That said, sometimes high levels of hormones can have a 'small' effect on the size of an already fully developed breast. When it comes to breasts, the key ingredients are estrogen, and the absence of testosterone. Absence of testosterone I have covered. And in terms of using estrogen to attempt a slight increase in breast size, I've been there and done that already. But, I had an idea about how to get really obnoxiously high doses of estrogen directly to the nipple, without having really high (unsafe) estrogen levels body-wide.

My idea is this:
They make estrogen dermal patches, as one method of delivering estrogen into the bloodstream. These are basically a very thin pocket in which is a liquid containing estrogen, on one side the pocket is completely non-permeable. but on the other side it has adhesive, and the pocket is semi-permeable, letting the liquid contents leak every so slightly and absorb into the skin over a period of a day or two...
What if I were to cut one of these open, and use the liquid inside as a lubricant for my suction cups?

The amount of estrogen introduced to the body would be fine, no more than used for estrogen-based birth control pills or post menopause treatments. But the concentration of estrogen at the nipples (and to a lesser degree the breasts), would be impressively high.

Because I have already eeked out a small amount of extra breast development with estrogen supplements in the past, I don't expect much impact from this. But I've never singled out a body part to expose it really high levels of estrogen before.

Another option to consider on the nipple development front is Progesterone. Progesterone hasn't been shown to have a significant impact on breast size, but it does have an impact on milk ducts themselves. Because milk ducts are not a significant part of the overall size of a breast, it doesn't affect breast size much. But the nipple itself is really the terminus for the milk duct network in the breast. So, progesterone could have a noticeable effect on the nipples themselves.

I'd just like to point out, that I'm saying what doctors say, and to be blunt, they're often quite wrong, because they can't see the reality through their theoretical models sometimes. Progesterone supplements *could* have an impact on breast size, it's just not supposed to, according to our current crop of witchdoctors. But it *should* have some impact on nipple size, in theory.

Progesterone can be gotten as micronized progesterone, or applied as a progesterone cream. There are also 'progestins' which are synthetic chemicals with similar properties. I won't touch progestins with a ten foot pole though. many birth control pills are made using progestins as the active ingredient (especially Provera) and my reaction to provera based birth control was to have PSM from the 7th level of hell. So, no provera for me.

Anyway, progesterone is another option to consider for nipple development. And progesterone cream could provide a concentrated targeted dose right at the nipples if i used it as a lube for nipple suction.

The possible drawback of progesterone, is that along with all this nipple suction, it could very well spark off lactation *before* I get to the lactation stage of my plan. If you are lactating, you can't really use nipple suction cups... they'd fill with milk and fall off quickly. You could pump the breasts, but that doesn't amount to a long term gentle force being applied a majority of the hours each day. So, while lactation is on the agenda for next year, for now I want to avoid it. I will likely try a progesterone cream as a suction cup lubricant shortly before I plan to switch to the lactation phase of my plan. That way if it happens to cause lactation, it will be timely, and not interfere with what I'm trying to do.

[Sheherezade]

wow, it really cool to have biig nipples. But how big do you want to go? Like a thimble or like an eraser, or do you want to go bigger like a small finger or so? I think your wish is really cool, cause i love big nipples. Have you thought about nipple piercings? Than you could constantly tuck them and so elongate them...

[moffe]

Reading this thread is really inspiring. It suddenly made me dream of my girlfriend with larger nipples (though they are relatively large already, but hey, a guy is allowed to dream ). I believe they grew while nursing our daughter - but you know how the past may be hard to remember, so I am not entirely sure of their size pre-pregnancy...

Thimble-sized nipples sounds like a big goal, but I love your devotion and I hope you are able to reach it - mostly for your own satisfaction. Good luck!

[gonZo]

These seem pretty radical, but if you're adventurous and not opposed to piercing, you could try Lady Madelaine's stretchers...

[Bad Kitty]

wow, it really cool to have biig nipples. But how big do you want to go? Like a thimble or like an eraser, or do you want to go bigger like a small finger or so? I think your wish is really cool, cause i love big nipples. Have you thought about nipple piercings? Than you could constantly tuck them and so elongate them...

I'm larger than a pencil eraser naturally, most girls are
the size I want to achieve is... here, i'll make a visual representation with something in the pic to use for scale (see image below)

You can elongate nipples by pulling on nipple piercings, true, but you can't add any girth to them that way, and pulling on nipple piercings "a lot" will stretch out the piercing hole. Plus it really pulls the areola at least as much if not more than the nipple itself. It's a good idea, but it's not adequate for my 'large' goals

Reading this thread is really inspiring. It suddenly made me dream of my girlfriend with larger nipples (though they are relatively large already, but hey, a guy is allowed to dream ). I believe they grew while nursing our daughter - but you know how the past may be hard to remember, so I am not entirely sure of their size pre-pregnancy...

Thimble-sized nipples sounds like a big goal, but I love your devotion and I hope you are able to reach it - mostly for your own satisfaction. Good luck!

She likely did have larger nipples after nursing. Lactation causes "significant" nipple growth (average of 50% increase in size, with some reporting as much as 100% increase in nipple size).

These seem pretty radical, but if you're adventurous and not opposed to piercing, you could try Lady Madelaine's stretchers...

again, piercing pulling mostly pulls the areola outward, and does little to really increase the total size of the nipple itself.
I routinely achieve a look similar to those pictures of the nipple pulling, but by using suction cups which are working primarily on the nipples, and adding both length and girth. They shrink back down within minutes of removing the suction cups, but if i were able to apply suction 'most of the time' 7 days a week, for many months, they would grow to fit their suction-forced dimensions.

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illustration of my current and goal sizes:
(i can make my nipples almost as large as my goal with suction cups, right now, they just don't hold that size, and quickly shrink once the cups are off)

[Shara]

well there's always pregnancy

[moffe]

She likely did have larger nipples after nursing. Lactation causes "significant" nipple growth (average of 50% increase in size, with some reporting as much as 100% increase in nipple size).

They are larger, the point is more that i am unsure how much. things like that can be hard to remember...

[Bad Kitty]

Lactation:

Lactation can be induced with a combination of hormones and nipple stimulation. Or, obviously, via pregnancy.

Lactation causes the breasts to swell up an average of 1-2 cup sizes, with about 2/3rds (on average) of that growth being permanent. The other 1/3 goes away when/if lactation ceases. In some cases, lactation can caused breast growth of more significant amounts.

Lactation causes nipple growth as well. Because the nipples are the terminus of the mammary glands and milk ducts, the nipples often grow more significantly than the breasts themselves. The 'average' nipple enlargement from lactation is 50% growth. But in some cases the nipple growth can exceed 100% (or 'double' the original size).

Lactation itself can range from slight to heavy. The amount of lactation is usually determined by the amount of milking/nursing. After lactation begins, it will adjust to meet the demand for milk. If you express all of your milk, and do it very often, milk production will increase to meet demand.

Technically, breasts make milk 'on the fly' during 'let-down'. The mammary glands don't store milk exactly, they more store the ingredients to excrete milk if stimulated to do so. This way milk does not curdle/spoil in the warm environment of the breasts. So the breasts are only 'making' milk (in any significant quantities) when there is a letdown reflex, and the mammary glands excrete milk. There is a maximum amount of milk which mammary glands can make in a 24 hour period, this is mostly based on the glands needing to 'reload' so that they can express milk again. Over an extended period, with a carefully planned diet, and very regular and thorough milking, you can reach your maximum lactation level.

Making the effort to achieve your maximum lactation level (which may require milking every 3 hours), and maintain it for an extended period of time (months), will ensure that you get the maximum possible benefit of breast and nipple growth. This isn't something which works well with things like a job or normal sleep patterns. You would have to make it a priority. Most women who lactate do not actually reach their maximum output level.

Theory: milking more often 'might' not encourage mammary glands to reach their maximum size by bulking up to prepare for the next let down, at least not as well as nursing/milking for a while past when the breasts run dry. My thinking is that if the breasts are nursed past being dry, that it *should* send a more clear message to the mammary glands to increase it's capacity for milk in a single let down. This would lend itself to increased size, or at least moreso than frequent milking which stops when dry. This is pure armchair theory though. I'll test it and let you know next year.

You cannot use nipple suction devices for nipple enlargement while nursing. Milk will come out, fill the vacuum, and the suction device will fall off. You can however use a breast pump regularly to express milk, which should have some minor enlargement effect over time. But remember, suction devices work best if they're left in place for long periods amounting to a majority of every day, with non-severe suction.

Theory: If nipple tissue size is increased before lactation (by suction devices for example), it's possible that the nipple growth from lactation would be multiplicative with the prior growth. This, and the fact that you can't use suction devices while lactating, is the main reason I am putting off lactation until next year. So I have time to see what I can achieve with vacuum enlargement, and then see how lactation affects that new larger size. Hopefully I'll see the newly grown size experience a 50% or more growth from the lactation.



Lactation sounds really fun. I am very anxious to get to that stage of my plan. I can't wait to get to feel what let-down feels like. And to feel what milk actually coming out of my nipples feels like. I can't accurately imagine what it will be like, because I've never experienced it... but I imagine it to be "like my boobies are cumming". And considering my nipples are above average in sensitivity, that sounds really really luxurious. If lactation is half as fun as I imagine it to be, then I will not stop lactating. I will for a period of time dedicate myself to achieving maximum milk production. So I can achieve maximum results in breast and nipple growth. And after that I'll reduce the frequency of milking considerably so that I can more easily have a normal schedule. But I don't think I will let my breasts go dry. I think I will keep them lactating. It really depends on how it all feels and what it turns out to be like, but I can very easily see myself maintaining at least some level of lactation for the next decade or two if it's enjoyable.

[Bad Kitty]

For comparison purposes, I've made a very carefully detailed photoshop of breasts which match my current breasts in size and shape. areoli diameter, and shape. and nipple size and shape. The skin colors and nipple pigmentation are also carefully matched to my own.

The areoli are spread out wide, as they would be in a warm room. The nipples are large enough that this lax state causes my breasts to be a little bit saggy. The nipples themselves are in a 'mostly erect' state. This combination is what you might expect if I were moderately sexually aroused, and in a warm room. chilly air or more severe arousal will cause the areoli to crinkle up significantly. Originally my areoli crinkled up flat against the breast, but due to my efforts so far, they have become somewhat more conical, and project outward somewhat when fully erect.

They look almost like B-cup breasts, but they are a full C-cup. The proportions are just visually small-ish on my very large/tall frame. Which means the nipples are a little larger than they look too. "asprins on soup can lids" is pretty accurate. For purposes of nipple and breast enlargement, mine will have to be about 25% larger in terms of actual size, in order to look that size on my large body. So if I had D cups, they'd look like C's, If I had inch long nipples, they'd look like 3/4" nipples. etc. This makes breast enhancement more of a challenge, but if you get right up close, the proportion issue goes away and you just see the actual size (which I hope to make reasonably impressive in terms of both nipples and breasts).

[Djoser]

It is quite obvious you've got it clear and that you know what you're doing. Again what is important here is your self comfort and happiness, so best wishes, I hope you get what you're looking for.

[Bad Kitty]

It is quite obvious you've got it clear and that you know what you're doing. Again what is important here is your self comfort and happiness, so best wishes, I hope you get what you're looking for.

I'll definitely get 'something'.
you know what they say, aim for the stars, and the moon will get in the way and flub up your shot.

[Sheherezade]

Why do you don't make a pic of your nips? I could imagine that its more work to make a photoshop pic instead of a photoshoot...
There is no one who would know your tits and can conclude which person it is...

[Bad Kitty]

Why do you don't make a pic of your nips? I could imagine that its more work to make a photoshop pic instead of a photoshoot...
There is no one who would know your tits and can conclude which person it is...

that's a very good point. err several good points.

there are just 2 problems.
1) I've been introspecting about this issue of late, due to the raised issue of morphing myself in my morph thread. And though I come from self conscious roots, I have become someone who really is not one to give a flying f**k what others think of me, so that does lend itself to being more open in this regard... in that if someone else were to find my posting neckid pics of myself to be lewd or tasteless, I really couldn't care less. However, the question still remains "how do *I* feel about doing that?". privately as a matter of self image, and self evaluation. Of course, as Nietzsche would point out, most of the things we think of as internal drives and opinions and motivations are in fact externally grafted onto us.... but still. It's a matter I have not yet fully sorted out within. I have a reluctance to make public my nude body. Until I am certain where exactly that reluctance comes from, and how exactly it works in my psyche, I don't think I can just dismiss it.

The issue isn't really one of privacy/identity, as that aspect is actually the part that I *wouldn't* care too much about. For example, in my morph thread I did a morph with my face on a body double. Whereas in your avatar you post your nude breasts but omit your head. I completely understand and respect your desire for privacy in that regard by the way. And I think it's kinda neat to see what you've done there (its kinky, i like it). But I think that difference in approach illustrates that my reluctance isn't stemming from the same rationales as yours.

Plus, I am currently seeing someone. And I wouldn't post nude pictures of my body without first discussing it with my significant other.

2) And really this is the more concrete reason... I don't have a working photographic device at the moment. My camera broke on me a year ago, and in my financial situation with recent events, it is not very easy to find the money to replace it. Obviously I could get a crappy camera cheaply, but as someone who's done some photography, and is used to having pretty decent cameras, I'm certain that any crap-camera I buy would only give me buyer's remorse.

[Bad Kitty]

oh, for informational purposes, the suction cups which I am currently using (while at home & using the computer or watching tv) are this type:



I seem to remember them coming in different sizes though, the ones I have are the 1 inch (25mm) diameter size. The suction cups themselves are about 3 inches long. The amount of suction they generate can be very strong depending on how tightly you squeeze the air out of them when placing them. The wide diameter sucks a portion of the areola into the cup along with the engorged nipple. My only complaints with this model, are that the base is not rounded for comfort. It's not a sharp edge, but it is thin and not as comfortable as it could be. And that these are so long, that being active in any way tends to knock them loose, even if they're very strongly suctioned in place.

The Nipplette system looks like this (generally sold with 2 of these, and the pump-thing):

the tube contains a valve, you insert a syringe-like pump into the valve, press it into the valve to open it, place the suction cup over the nipple, and while holding it all in place, pull back the plunger on the pump, sucking the air out of the suction cup. It requires a bit of dexterity, but isn't too difficult. The suction cup itself is hard plastic, and measures about a half inch across. This type only suctions the nipple, not the areola. And it can be worn at work, etc. without being obvious, with a padded bra and/or thicker clothing. The nipplette system is designed for correcting inverted nipples nonsurgically.
I have this on order. This time to be used more seriously.

I am also looking at a variety of other suction cups for use during sleep. The trick with this will be that the suction cup must be low profile enough to not snag easily on bedding as i move in my sleep. And it must stay in place fairly firmly. ideally it should be especially comfortable as well. I've been hoping these:

or these:

will be able to fill that role.
The top picture is an off brand from an online fetish store, and is 3/4" diameter interior. the bottom picture is of the Supple Nipps brand, and is about 1/2" diameter inside. Both of these are made of silicone (which I'm not certain will generate enough suction to stay in place firmly, but we shall see.

if anyone has any further suggestions for a suction device to use while sleeping, i'm all ears (and nipples)

[MasterDragonfly]

Bad Kitty, here's a random thought for keeping the nighttime suction cups on. Only speculation at this point, but still.

Step 1 - apply nighttime suction device
Step 2 - position larger domes over suction device
Step 3 - tape larger domes in place

Overly simplified, but I was trying to think up some sort of smallish dome, like a rounder shot glass, or a large eyewash cup. The idea is that it would provide a buffer zone (and some air-gap clearance) to the underlying suction apparatus.

Now for the tape. Duct tape would probably do a decent job of it, although I can imagine repeated placement might cause some aggravation from the glue. Alternatively, a decent medical grade tape. Just tape the cup directly to the breast.

The idea here should be obvious, in that it would help prevent any accidental knocking of the suction device.

[Bad Kitty]

that's a pretty good idea

not sure about the tape though. even medical tape can irritate, not so much because of allergic reaction to the adhesive in it, but because repeatedly applying and removing it is a bit rough on the skin (unfortunately I have plenty of experience with this )

I am thinking though, that your idea could be held in place with a sports bra, to make the bra method much more reliable at holding the cups in place.

I think the key would be that the cup-protectors be wider than they are long, so that if bumped they don't tend to tip over. I could almost see using a small plastic saki bowl.

[moffe]

You could have your significant other suck them all night

Of course that might be a problem for daily life...

[solvegas]

Sorry Bad Kitty, I have no useful sugestions or recommendations about how to safely enlarge your nipples. I just find the whole conversation very, very hot. This old perv ... breast connosiour appreciates your endeavor, I find it extremely....uh .... stimulating. 

[Troll17]

In the name of science, may we have a base line comparison so that we have a control for any experiments that are forthcoming?

(Nipple pic please?)

[madcow4]

In the name of science, may we have a base line comparison so that we have a control for any experiments that are forthcoming?

(Nipple pic please?)

She just went over that her camera was busted, and she wouldn't be comfortable with it even if she had a working camera. Fail a spot check back there? :p

If I could totally be a hypocrite though, an untouched, non nude would be nice, if only because the body double looks like it crawled out of the uncanny valley. Maybe the lack of a background is throwing me?

[Bad Kitty]

Nothing i've ordered has arrived yet.
I'm still just using the large black suction cups for a few hours a day.

I'm really anxious to expand on that time period though, by extending it into sleep time or work time. That will really accelerate my progress on this

[Bad Kitty]

Beyond vacuum/suction body modding.
And beyond lactation...

There are still further avenues of approaching this issue. Namely, nipples can be surgically augmented.

Personally, I am not crazy about the idea of performing surgery on a part of my body where a large amount of my sexual stimulation comes from. So... I mostly include this info to be completionist about the topic itself.

Traditional nipple augmentation will use a bit of cartilage from elsewhere in the body, and implant it inside the nipple. Body fat is also sometimes used. This causes permanent erection of the nipple. And it may adversely affect sensitivity and lactation capability. But using this method anyone could instantly double their nipple size/projection.

Also, there are nipple augmentations which use additional skin, grafted onto the nipple, to increase the skin surface area of the nipple. This allows for even more dramatic size increase for the nipples. Again, this results in permanently erect nipples, and a very high probability of loss of sensitivity, and lactation capability.
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More recently though, there has been some plastic surgery using injectable 'fillers'. The best known injectable filler is collagen. Although from what I've read injectable Alloderm is much preferred over collagen. Allodern uses human skin protein, collagen, and other byproducts of actual skin in a mixture. Alloderm is also available in sheets for skin grafting or burn treatment. But the injectable type is the sort used for nipple augmentation.

Alloderm injection in the nipples could range from very minor to more substantial size increases, depending on how much is injected. Generally small amounts would not adversely effect the nipples sensitivity or lactation capability. But with greater amounts of the stuff injected, the risk for sensitivity loss or lactation difficulties rises.

Nipples augmented with alloderm could range from slight permanent nipple erection to full permanent nipple erection, depending on how much is used. Basically the alloderm filler portion of the nipple mass will be permanently erect, and the rest of the nipple tissue around it will be either relaxed or erect, like normal. The more filler, the larger the percentage of nipple mass which is permanently erect.
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If, after a prolonged dedicated program of nipple suction enlargement body modding, followed by a period of maximized lactation... if after all of that my nipples still fall short of my goals. Then I would consider getting a 'moderate' injection of alloderm. The smaller the amount injected, the less likely any complications with sensitivity or lactation capability. And injection method nipple augmentation is overall far less risky for the nipples than nipple augmentation surgery. So with minimal risks of problems, I would consider getting a modest amount of alloderm injected into my nipples. This would increase their length/girth, and the nipples would then have a portion of tissue which doesn't change size, so they'd range from partially erect to fully erect, never going completely non-erect.

Also, the suction/vacuum method of body modding may cause some skin stretching which goes beyond the actual size gains. Or put another way, it could cause slight looseness of skin. I'm not saying it "will" (it hasn't yet), just that it 'could'. If that is the case, them a bit of alloderm for filler would help the nipples to regain a more rigid form when erect. Which is another consideration, even if I do reach my size goals.

Any actual medical augmentation methods could be a 'possible' stage 3 in my overall nipple enlargement plan. I have very sensitive nipples which are a major part of my sensual stimulation during sex. So I am not willing to put that at any significant risk (i'll never get a periariolar implant incision either). But I would consider moderate alloderm injections to complete my nipple enlargement goals if necessary. Alloderm injections are relatively low risk, inexpensive, and recovery time is nil.

[Bad Kitty]

a more clear visual representation of my intentions: