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Title: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on October 20, 2008, 01:53:07 AM
After using them at various jobs, it looks like I'm finally going to get a Mac that runs OS X.  Probably an iMac.  I have a couple of questions.

1) Does it come with quicktime Pro, or do I have to buy it?
2) should I get iWork , or is open Office good enough?
3) what freeware/shareware, or paid apps for that matter, can't you live without?

ponder, then reply
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 20, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
 Generally, the iMac (any generation) is the most cost effective (as opposed to buying a tower and putting everything in/adding everything on yourself). The current generation is gorgeous, and the base model (2.4GHz, iSight cam, 20" LCD, etc...) is about $1,200.

I used to have QT Pro, and it was separate (the Pro features were extra and not part of standard consumer Quicktime). I seem to recall upgrading the base QT app seemed to disable the Pro upgrade, which seems like a bummer... not sure though as it was a while ago.

I like iWork (formerly AppleWorks formerly ClarisWorks) because it's fast, easy and simple but I imagine anything comparable will be fine and if it's free, so much the better.

As for apps, I use a whole bunch... I don't have a recent list.

MacPar Deluxe, Split & Concat, E Plurubus Unum & The Unarchiver are all handy for dealing with archives.

Thoth is by far my fave newsgroup reader (though I'm on a NG hiatus so haven't used it in months).

MacCam (for 3rd party cams), FTP Thingy (like Fetch, but free), VueScan (scanner control shareware, ideal for older scanners for which their mfgrs never released OSX drivers), GraphicConverter (came with the Mac), etc... are all handier than their cost would imply (free or almost free). Guitar Band is included with the iMac's iLife suite, if you're into that sort of thing too.

Good luck!
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on October 20, 2008, 05:06:37 PM
There's a rumor that speed-bumped iMacs are coming before xmas, and if so, the previous models may get marked down handsomely at Amazon.  (MacBooks that were retailing at the Apple Store for $1099 last monday are now $869 at Amazon with free shipping and no sales tax.)  The Apple Stores (on and offline) also usually have a one-day sale on the day after Thanksgiving.

The Pro upgrade for QuickTime costs $29.99 here.

Adding to Pal's applications list...  Perian, which makes most video formats and codecs QuickTime-friendly.  Flip4Mac for playing WMVs in QuickTime (because WMP for Mac is a joke).  Flash Player beta 10.x (because Flash 9.x for Mac is also a joke).  TubeTV for grabbing Flash media off the web.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Struik on October 20, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:

1) Does it come with quicktime Pro, or do I have to buy it?




It comes with the "normal" Quicktime which you can then upgrade (at a cost), should you desire to do so.

Quote:

SwitcherX said:
2) should I get iWork , or is open Office good enough?



A trial version of iWork is included as far as I know (if not you can download a 30-day trial version from the Apple website for free). Then you can decide for yourself whether you prefer OpenOffice or if you buy iWork

Quote:

SwitcherX said:
3) what freeware/shareware, or paid apps for that matter, can't you live without?




Flip4Mac like gonZo said, furthermore MacTheRipper and Handbrake for ripping DVD's and video conversion are the ones that come to mind.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on October 21, 2008, 03:32:57 AM
What they said, although I'm less familiar with some of the apps Palomine mentioned.

Switcher, you're more into the low-level geek stuff, right?

- Growl - a notification system, and there are quite a few apps which support it (Firefox being one) - http://growl.info (the site lists Growl-ready apps)

- Adium for chat.  Think of it as Trillian for the Mac, only more nimble, more soothing to use (visually and aurally).  And it's Growl-ready. - www.adiumx.com

- Skype, if you like that sort of thing.  Growl-ready.

- Fink - think of it as apt-get for OS X - http://www.finkproject.org/

- Mac Ports - think of it as BSD ports for OS X - http://www.macports.org/

- Fugu - to OS X what WinSCP is to Windows - http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/

- XChat - if your business calls for IRC access - Growl-ready.

- TextMate - a kickass text editor (contextual markup, and all sorts of stuff I'm still trying to get my head around); not free, but worth it - http://macromates.com/

- Tunnelblick - OpenVPN client (borne out of the Google Summer of Code) - http://code.google.com/p/tunnelblick/

- VoodooPad Lite (or Pro - I recommend Pro) - more than just a note-taker or personal wiki, it's a dumping ground for your brain.  You can paste screenshots in addition to all sorts of other wonderful stuff.  It auto-saves at various points (so you don't have to), and the built-in search is quite impressive. - http://www.flyingmeat.com/voodoopadpro/

- VLC (don't think anyone mentioned this yet) as the usual standby

- LocationChanger - I haven't used it myself, but I had the note handy, so I thought I'd pass it on. - http://tech.inhelsinki.nl/locationchanger/

I've also snagged apps such as Yasu, Snak, SSHTunnelManager, Meerkat (something to do with ssh tunnel mgmt), JellyfiSSH (another ssh tool), Cyberduck, Camino, but haven't used them much, so can't remember what all of them do.  I'm pretty sure that Conversation and I think Snak are IRC clients.  Cyberduck is an SFTP/FTP client.

That should be plenty to get started.    If you find you're having gaps in functionality vs what you do today on Windows, just let us know and we'll likely be able to point you in the right direction.


Before I forget:  Mac OS X Leopard from The Missing Manual series (two-tone green on white background covers the book) has got some great stuff in there.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 21, 2008, 10:20:35 AM
Would it be more cost effective to get a Mac Mini as opposed to getting an iMac/MacBook?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 21, 2008, 07:45:00 PM
 Re: cost effectiveness... it depends (of course). If you are on a small budget, and plan to re-use the display, mouse, keyboard and peripherals from some other computer AND you can live with the finite expandability of a Mac Mini, then it's not a bad deal at all.

However, the Mac Mini has no slots (neither do the iMacs or laptops, but the Mac Pros do) and I also don't think it has dual monitor support (there is an aftermarket adapter but it's like $100.) and I don't think any Mac Mini has Firewire 800 either (I haven't looked at specs lately though).

You can compare specs/prices at the Apple site and then revise the pricing via Amazon or MacWarehouse/Zone/Mall/Connection resellers re: clearances.

I still think the base 20" iMac  is a helluva deal, but a base Mac Mini is about HALF the price if you can live with the caveats.    
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on October 21, 2008, 09:30:50 PM
Quote:

MasterDragonfly said:
Switcher, you're more into the low-level geek stuff, right?





I laugh at hex.

Quote:


That should be plenty to get started.    If you find you're having gaps in functionality vs what you do today on Windows, just let us know and we'll likely be able to point you in the right direction.




Most of what I use is posrts of Unix programs so it shuoldn't be a problem finding OS X versions of them.  I'll look thru what I use and ask if I can't find a port for it.

I do have 1 very important question though.  Do new Macs come with an install cd/dvd?  You know, in case you deide to directly edit the master boot record with a debugger and end up scribbling all over you hd?  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Struik on October 21, 2008, 09:54:28 PM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
I do have 1 very important question though.  Do new Macs come with an install cd/dvd?




Yes.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 22, 2008, 02:49:00 AM
Eh? The new MacBook/MacBook Pro does not come with a built-in Firewire port? What gives?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on October 22, 2008, 03:00:03 AM
Quote:

TheZookie007 said:
Would it be more cost effective to get a Mac Mini as opposed to getting an iMac/MacBook?



I picked up a refurb Macbook (before the most recent hardware announcement) for $899.  Off Apple's own site.

When you go to Apple.com, just use their search box in the top-right corner and start typing "refurbished".  Within a few keystrokes, you'll see a few useful links.

For those who would prefer just clicking on a link:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?node=home/specialdeals/mac

For those who prefer to go direct to the refurb Macbooks:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB403LL/A?mco=MTUzODMwOQ&fnode=home%2Fspecialdeals%2Fmac

Uhh... okay, that's showing $1049.  That's $250 more than I paid for mine.  Hmm....

Anyway, as you may have heard by now, don't buy extra RAM direct from Apple.  Places like Newegg.com will help you get the right boosts in RAM without paying around $100/GB.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 22, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
Quote:

TheZookie007 said:
Eh? The new MacBook/MacBook Pro does not come with a built-in Firewire port? What gives?



 
I don't know what you're looking at but the new (pretty iMacesque) MacBook Pro DOES come with a firewire port: Firewire 800 (no less! ) and USB 2.0 also, etc.:

   
From what I see, the new MacBook (not Pro) doesn't have firewire ( ) but uses USB 2.0, 802.11n (airport extreme), bluetooth and gigabit ethernet as built-in I/O ports. I'd like it more if it too had a FW800 port, but I guess they have to differentiate it from the MacBook Pro in features to justify the cost difference.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on October 26, 2008, 10:11:27 PM
i've been going thru the programs I use and have a coupleo f questions.

I use 7-zip for all of my file compression needs.  I found an OS X version of it, but does it handle all of the Mac formats?  I feel very old asking this, but is Stuffit and Compactor Pro still around?

I asked about Quicktime Pro mainly so I could play all of the video formats.  If I want to be able to play any video clip, what is the way to go?

I use IrfanView for view pictures.  What does everyone use in OS X?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 26, 2008, 10:30:27 PM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
i've been going thru the programs I use and have a coupleo f questions.

I use 7-zip for all of my file compression needs.  I found an OS X version of it, but does it handle all of the Mac formats?  I feel very old asking this, but is Stuffit and Compactor Pro still around?

I asked about Quicktime Pro mainly so I could play all of the video formats.  If I want to be able to play any video clip, what is the way to go?

I use IrfanView for view pictures.  What does everyone use in OS X?




I have that 7zip thing for Mac somewhere... DL'd it only because the 7zip files (wwhich seem pretty rare, at least on NGs) didn't decompress with anything else. Of course I remember Stuffit and assume it's still around but since OSX, I've just been zipping and unzipping archives within the OS itself and haven't needed any additional/3rd party tools.

QT Pro (vs regular QT) offers the ability to re-save/export vids into other formats, as well as a few other features. If you're just looking to play as many formats as possible, regular QT (with all the appropriate free add-ons like Flip4Mac to play WMV, etc...) along with a copy of VLC player should cover 99% of what you encounter vid-wise. Those are the only 2 that I have, and I almost never find a stand-alone vid file that won't play.

I'm probably a Luddite, but I just double click on a pic or a bunch of pix to look at them... I don't load them into iView Multimedia, or iPhoto or anything link IrfanView. Again, if the OS does it already (at least well enough for me... I almost never need to make thumbnail pages) then why bother with yet another application?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on October 26, 2008, 11:35:31 PM
In 10.5, you can also select one or more picture files and just hit your spacebar to invoke a simple Finder-level viewer called QuickLook.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on October 28, 2008, 11:21:15 AM
For viewing images (and PDF files, at the very least -- not sure what all it can do), the Preview app which comes with OS X is plenty decent.

If you want to get on to doing some basic image editing (something not nearly as substantial as CS3), check out Seashore.

Screenshots?  There are at least 3 different ways:  Full screen (with drop-shadow), region (no drop-shadow) and window (with drop-shadow).
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on November 03, 2008, 01:52:36 AM
I've thought of some others:

1) what burning/making DVDs and VCDs/working with ISOs/ripping apps do you use?

2) what do you use for video editing?  I think Cinerella has an OS X port which would be great.  I could always buy Final Cut Pro.

3) know of any rolodex programs?  (I might have asked that before)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on November 03, 2008, 02:10:23 AM
 I don't do that stuff much, but:

1) mostly just use the OS for burning media... though I have used iDVD a few times to make video disks.

2) again, sorry to disappoint, but my editing needs are few and infrequent so I've used (and actually liked) iMovie. FCP is a PITA unless you are or want to be an actual editor.

3) again, since it came free with the OS and I had my addys in a PalmOS PDA anyway, I use the OSX Palm Desktop app for 'rolodex' tasks

 
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on November 03, 2008, 02:43:58 AM
SwitcherX:

Check this link:


 bunchastuff

Get QTPro, besides what's been mentioned you also want flipformac.

Can find all kinds of neato stuff at the above link.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on November 03, 2008, 04:34:20 AM
thanks for the link and I forgot that OS X comes with a lot of stuff already built in
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 03, 2008, 07:24:58 AM
1. Toast Titanium; Handbrake.

2. iMovie (comes with OS X); Final Cut Express.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Colber on November 07, 2008, 10:26:46 PM
Hi, everyone.

I'm a mac-user. I'mlokking for
WMV-Player 10 for mac. Where is he to find?
Or do I need 10.4 minimum?

Thanks
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on November 08, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
 Hi colber, sorry I don't know the min OS for WMP10, but many prefer using QT and installing Flip4Mac plugin with it... I think it's mentioned above.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Struik on November 09, 2008, 07:43:18 PM
Microsoft will not issue a MediaPLayer 10. Use flip4mac instead to play *.wmv files in QuickTime Player. Even Microsoft suggest this solution. More info: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/default.aspx
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 14, 2008, 08:47:16 AM
BTW, two places to get cheapish used Macs (iMacs, MacBooks, etc.) are Apple Palace and Mac of All Trades.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 15, 2008, 12:17:19 AM
Black Friday is fast approaching.  Discounts up to $101 off are anticipated.

I for one will be looking at a refurb Macbook Pro, although I doubt I'll get any additional discount.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on November 23, 2008, 04:06:06 AM
What kind of updates for the iMac and Mac Pro do you think they'll announce at teh Mac World conference in Janurary?

I think I'm going to get the 3.06GHZ 24" iMac but I'll hold off if there's something to wait for.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 27, 2008, 12:13:58 AM
Quote:

MasterDragonfly said:
I for one will be looking at a refurb Macbook Pro, although I doubt I'll get any additional discount.



My 17" 2.5GHz MBP (refurb) arrived today.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on December 03, 2008, 02:44:28 AM
I got the 3.06GHZ 24" iMac last night.  I'm setting it up now.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on December 03, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
I got the 3.06GHZ 24" iMac last night.  I'm setting it up now.




Jeez! Color me jealous!  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chelsea74 on December 03, 2008, 09:46:44 PM
Something completely different,but Mac!  


http://macenstein.com/default/archives/category/mac-chick-of-the-month


Chelsea
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on December 04, 2008, 04:57:11 AM
 I haven't seen you around in a while Chelsea... have you been keeping a low profile or am I just even more senile than I thought. Be honest.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on December 04, 2008, 05:37:57 AM
Quote:

Palomine said:
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
I got the 3.06GHZ 24" iMac last night.  I'm setting it up now.




Jeez! Color me jealous!  





It is totally sweet.  I'm gonna upgrade the memory in a couple of weeks.  And I gotta get everything moved over to it.  Did you ever find a place for external HD enclosures?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chelsea74 on December 04, 2008, 04:29:23 PM
I think,you don't really wanna know my Answer,Palo!  

Chelsea
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on December 04, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
 @Switch: no, I just usually build my own from recycled SCSI boxes. I did see a cute thing with multiple interfaces into which you slide a single bare hard disk (so only one at a time). I think it MSRPd for about $100... good if you have a lot of external drives but don't really need them all online at once.

@C74: I take it then that I've killed more brain cells than I thought. Well, good to see you again anyway.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on December 05, 2008, 05:12:15 AM
Can a MAc connect to a Windows system on a windows network, or do I have to install something?  I need to transfer some files and I'm hoping it willbe painless.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on December 05, 2008, 04:40:21 PM
 Yes, it's no problem. I've always used FTP apps on both ends (i.e.: Fetch and AceFTP) to move files between MacOS, Windows and Unix boxes on an ethernet network w/o trouble. With current/new OSes, you might not even have to do that... just use the system preferences/permissions to allow shared volumes and I suspect they'll just see each other.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on December 06, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
I'd love to get my hands on this:

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on December 07, 2008, 01:34:50 AM
SwitcherX -

When shopping for Mac stuff, ram in particular, consider  OtherWorldComputing

Great prices on ram, special deals on hard drives, etc.

(2gigs of ram for $26, 4 gigs for $50 currently)

Consider also putting a copy of XP or Vista on your Mac. Bootcamp software comes with your Mac, and makes it painless to install Windows on a partition in case you need it for something.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on December 08, 2008, 02:16:14 AM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
Can a MAc connect to a Windows system on a windows network, or do I have to install something?  I need to transfer some files and I'm hoping it willbe painless.



You have options here (aside from what's been already mentioned).

You can set up a Windows share, then just have the Mac connect to it.

If you jump to your Security settings, you can enable remote login (ssh).  Then install WinSCP on your Windows machine and copy over.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on December 18, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
Switcher X: the quick 'undo' key combo is on a Mac; it's 'command z' - (aka apple z)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on December 24, 2008, 12:05:45 AM
Here's one curious thing I don't know how to do on a Mac:

In Windows or Linux, with Firefox (for example) I can tab around a form from field to field.  If there are drop-down boxes, hitting tab will eventually get to those.

With the Mac, it completely skips over them, **77** me to use my mouse.

Anyone know how to get the tab to jump to the drop-downs?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on December 24, 2008, 12:33:36 AM
It may take a little experimenting to get it working the way you want, but...

In System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse panel > Keyboard Shortcuts > adjust the "Full keyboard access" controls at the bottom of the window as desired.

After that, if you're using Safari, you may need to adjust Safari > Safari menu > Preferences > Advanced > "press Tab to Highlight each item on a webpage".
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on December 25, 2008, 01:06:38 AM
Awesome, thanks!  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 04, 2009, 08:06:03 AM
 Xee is a nice picture viewer.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 18, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
What keys do I press to get the Quick Preferences?

 
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on January 18, 2009, 08:38:41 PM
 I don't use Opera... neither FF nor Safari have a QP menu choice, so I can't help. Sorry.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on January 19, 2009, 02:00:53 AM
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
What keys do I press to get the Quick Preferences?

   




looks like the shift key symbol, so shift-F12
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on January 19, 2009, 02:30:26 AM
 That thing is a shift key symbol? News to me! I always assumed an 'up' arrow was a shift key indicator in a keyboard equivalent/pull down menu.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 19, 2009, 02:51:53 AM
Quote:

Chestnuts said:
Quote:

SwitcherX said:
What keys do I press to get the Quick Preferences?

   




looks like the shift key symbol, so shift-F12  




It's not shift-f12.  I've tried every comination of shift, control, option and, command that I can think of and none of them work.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on January 19, 2009, 05:47:48 AM
That's the Option Key symbol (the Shift is indeed an up-arrow), so try option+F12 again.

However... in System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard, there's a checkbox that determines whether the F-keys control system functions (display brightness, speaker volume, etc.) or the functions of the currently active application.  If the checkbox is set to control system functions, you have to hold down the Function (fn) key in order to use F-keys to control application functions, so in that case, you should be able to invoke Quick Preferences in Opera by hitting fn+option+F12.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 19, 2009, 08:36:51 PM
Thank you *SOOOOOO* much.  I was getting so fustrated I was about to go on a mass murder rampage.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on January 20, 2009, 05:36:32 AM
OK, mass murder rampage is apple+option+F13...
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Shara on January 20, 2009, 02:27:05 PM
in the windows version the paper clip pops up 500 times in a row, causing mass murder rampage
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on January 20, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
 I've been using Mac since (just before) day one: Spring of '84. And in all that time, I swear... I never knew there WAS a symbol for the alt/option key, let alone that THAT funny thing (which I'd see from time to time) was it.  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 20, 2009, 09:26:57 PM
Quote:

gonZo said:
OK, mass murder rampage is apple+option+F13...




good to know!
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 20, 2009, 09:27:58 PM
Quote:

shara1 said:
in the windows version the paper clip pops up 500 times in a row, causing mass murder rampage




and then is asks if you need help  :P
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on January 20, 2009, 10:58:40 PM
 Paperclip says: "Hey! It looks like you're about to go on a murderous rampage. Would you like a template for that?"  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on January 21, 2009, 12:56:02 AM
The prevaling attitude of chatroom this afternoon was that this pic should be posted to this thread

 


   (Palomine and I have discussed the graphics you've posted recently.  We know you don't intend these things to be offensive, and while we'd rather not impose political correctness here unnecessarily, the forum prohibits words that are conventionally used as racial or sexual slurs, even when they appear in benign or joking contexts.  Please block them out before posting.  Thanks!)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on January 21, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
Another symbol/shortcut possibly worth knowing is the circle with an arrow pointing up and to the left (or compass pointing north-west if you prefer, or clock with the hour hand at 10:30 if you prefer yet another metaphor ).  This symbol represents the Esc key.

The shortcut for Force Quit is Alt-Cmd-Esc, which brings up a list of apps for you to review before selecting one for an abrupt death.  

I'd post a screenshot, but I'm on my Linux box at the moment.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 28, 2009, 06:36:55 AM
I intended to get a Mac mini for my birthday but I decided to carpe diem...so I'm getting one TOMORROW

The spec for this particular Mac mini is 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo with 1 GB RAM (2x512 MB, expandable to 2 GB RAM), 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive, Airport, Bluetooth, Remote and running Apple MacOS X 10.5. Installed software: Apple QuickTime, Apple Hardware Test, Apple Mac OS X Mail, Apple iCal, Apple DVD Player, Apple Address Book, Apple Safari, Apple iChat AV, Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, Apple Dashboard, Apple Spotlight, Apple XCode Developer Tools, iWork (30 days trial), Apple iLife '08, Apple Spaces, Apple Quick Look, Apple Time Machine. All for around $450 (it's a closeout model). I'm getting it, as I've said before, mainly for iPhone development purposes (and to finally get myself familiar with the Way of Mac). I already have a monitor laying around but I'm going to pick up a Mac keyboard and mouse, and I'm trying to spend as little money as I can while doing so.

Questions:

1) Will 1 GB RAM be enough, or will I eventually need to bump it up to 2 GB?

2) Can I plug in my external HP DVD-RW drive (bought for a PC) and use it to supplement the built-in CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive? It has a USB connection.

3) Maybe one day, I would like to upgrade the 80 GB HDD. Is it possible, and if so, how easy/expensive would it be to do so?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on April 28, 2009, 12:53:41 PM
RAM and HD are both upgradeable.  There are probably better upgrade guides on the web, but this'll give you a rough idea of the level of difficulty...
http://www.applefritter.com/Mac_Mini_Take_Apart_Guide

1GB is going to be sufficient for iPhone dev purposes, but if you ever need to open the box, go ahead and drop in an extra gig.

There's a decent chance that the DVD-RW will just plug and play.  You can check the specific model here (a lack of search results won't mean anything)...
http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso

Added by Palomine who hopes/assumes gonZo won't mind giving me this brief piggyback ride :

First, that seems like a decent price and frankly, I'm jealous!

I too would suggest bumping the RAM to 2GB... while it will generally run fine with 1GB (I used 3/4GB for well over 5 years on mine) having the extra RAM will just make things easier if you use Firefox (with it's well-known gluttony for memory) or some other RAM-hungry app. I don't know from personal experience exactly what format HD is in the Mini (I'm guessing a 2.5" unit) but whatever it is, it can be swapped out later for a higher-capacity unit of the same type. However, given how much more you pay per GB for tiny drives (compared to 3.5" ones) you're probably much better off using an external drive for expansion space when the time comes. At least a couple of manufacturers make cute little external drive housings (I prefer Firewire to USB for this purpose by the way) that look exactly like the Mini itself, so the PC and the drive make a nice little stack.

BTW, I'm sure there are entire forums/communities dedicated to the subject of iPhone software development, but if you feel like sharing your impressions of what you learn as you go along on that path, I for one would be interested in reading about it here.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 28, 2009, 06:16:38 PM
Thanks gonZo & Palomine, for your feedback. I will try and get them to add another gigabyte of RAM on purchase, but if not, I will definitely go to Other World Computing and pick up some RAM there. I hope my external HP DVD writer will work with the mini, but if not I can always get one that does from OWC too. If I get the closeout Mac mini which includes 120 GB HDD and SuperDrive, it's about $50 more...arrrghh, decisions!

And I will be glad to keep you all informed of my descent into the maelstrom of iPhone development

Edit by Pal: IMO, $50 is worth it for the bigger HD and burner... if it'll save you some time/effort now or down the road... as it's only a bit more $ than the cost difference of the components themselves. The place where you're getting it can't bump the RAM for a fair price?  
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: theproject on April 29, 2009, 01:52:31 AM
Hi,  Isn't it possible to develop for the iphone without a mac?? Don't they release the toolchain?
Please don't take this as apple bashing, it is an honest question.

Cya
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Bonecracker on April 29, 2009, 03:21:06 PM
If you want to develop applications for either the iPhone or the MacOSX, you merely need the SDK and basic skillz (of course, the better the skillz, the better the appz).

SDK (softare Developer Kit) available from Apple.  Just go to http://www.apple.com and search for "SDK"

Bone...
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 30, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Sure, you can merely download the SDK and sure you can develop for the iPhone using the simulator on a PC...but it's much easier to develop for the iPhone on a Mac, and it makes more sense to get a real iPhone (or, even cheaper, an iPod Touch) to plug into the Mac and develop natively on that.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on May 01, 2009, 03:30:37 AM
 I have a 1st generation intel mini and bought it with 2 gigs of ram. Whatever the limit of ram is for the mini, load it up. I never get extra ram from Apple, they want way too much; OWC is definitely where to go.

I believe OWC will give you a great deal on putting in a larger HD, and could put more ram in for cheap at the same time. Just ship your mini to them, they'll take care of it. The mini's are no fun to open and tinker with.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 02, 2009, 02:54:30 AM
Mac OS X Snow Leopard (http://www.**21**/?http://www.apple.com/macosx/) is out, and is definitely worth getting (especially since at 30 bucks or so, it's pretty cheap), but the "it saves you space" claim is sort of deceptive:

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WIRED: "Faster, Bigger, Longer: How Snow Leopard Will Improve Your Hardware" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/faster-bigger-longer-how-snow-leopard-will-improve-your-hardware/)

Bigger Hard Drive
Apple makes much of the reclamation of hard drive space when you install Snow Leopard, unusual in an OS upgrade on any platform. This is achieved by both installing less (printer drivers are downloaded on demand instead of loading gigabytes of them up front) and by optimizing and compressing code. But this alone canít explain some peopleís claims of 20 GB or more being freed up.

In fact, plug in any drive, not just the boot drive, and it will be bigger. How? Because Snow Leopard now reads drive sizes the way humans do, as chunks of 1000 kilobytes. Computers usually define a megabyte as 1024 kilobytes. Not much with a small drive, but when you get up to the terabyte drives we have today, that discrepancy rises to 10 percent, or 100 GB, as big as some whole drives.

Of course, your 500-GB drive is now listed as having 500 GB, but just because 10.6 reports sizes in base 10 instead of in base two doesnít mean your drive has grown ó it just looks like it has.
That's cheating! After all:

1 gigabyte (GB) = 10243 bytes = 230 bytes = exactly 1,073,741,824 bytes

but since it's close enough to a billion bytes, that's become the standard. Everyone knows that when you refer to a gigabyte as a billion bytes, you're approximating. But now, with this move from Apple, they are making use of the abbreviation GB for gigabyte, when they actually should be using GiB, for gibibyte. Argh.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on September 02, 2009, 05:04:57 AM
don' the HD makers all use 1000 instead of 1024 already?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 07, 2009, 03:55:13 AM
don' the HD makers all use 1000 instead of 1024 already?
Good question, will have to check. Just got an external hard drive (http://www.**21**/?http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4622464&Sku=I21-6238) that's rated at 1 terabyte -- don't know yet if the pre-formatted capacity's 10244 bytes (= 1,099,511,627,776 bytes) or 1012 bytes (= 1 trillion bytes) :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Alternative Trace on September 07, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Good question, will have to check. Just got an external hard drive (http://www.**21**/?http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4622464&Sku=I21-6238) that's rated at 1 terabyte -- don't know yet if the pre-formatted capacity's 10244 bytes (= 1,099,511,627,776 bytes) or 1012 bytes (= 1 trillion bytes) :)

If my computer's telling me the truth, one decimal terabyte is equal to 931 binary gigabytes.  (I put in a terabyte drive as a secondary on my desktop, and it says it's a 931GB drive.)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MaxBigfoot on September 07, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
If my computer's telling me the truth, one decimal terabyte is equal to 931 binary gigabytes.  (I put in a terabyte drive as a secondary on my desktop, and it says it's a 931GB drive.)

I have both an internal and external 1 tB HD.  Both are shown as being 931 gB after formatting.  But the problem is, I believe there's some size loss just due to way they're formatted.
There's probably at least a few more professional IT guys who can explain it better.  Anyway, afaik, after formatting there's no way a 1 tB drive would show 1 tB on your OS.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on September 07, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
I have both an internal and external 1 tB HD.  Both are shown as being 931 gB after formatting.  But the problem is, I believe there's some size loss just due to way they're formatted.
There's probably at least a few more professional IT guys who can explain it better.  Anyway, afaik, after formatting there's no way a 1 tB drive would show 1 tB on your OS.

Yes, I'm sure someone can explain it better, but since my first 5 megabyte hard disk back in the early '80s, ALL drives 'lose' capacity due to formatting... the bigger the drive, the bigger the loss (as it's proportional/a percentage). Nothing shady about this.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 20, 2009, 07:55:44 PM
Hey, Apple has just refreshed the iMac line.

San Francisco Chronicle:  "Apple introduces new iMacs, MacBook and Mac Mini" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?&entry_id=49937)

TUAW: "First Look: New iMacs announced, and they're incredible!" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/20/first-look-new-imacs-announced-and-theyre-incredible/)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: BacE on October 20, 2009, 11:32:15 PM
well here it goes. hard disc manufacturers label their drives in MiB, GiB and TiB. so 1 TiB =1,000,000,000,000 Bytes. However computers use 1024 for every increasing step, so 1 kB=1024B,  1GB=1024MB=1024x1024kB=1024x1024x1024B

so 1,000,000,000,000/(1024^3)=931GB
B"if I'd gotten a euro for everytime..."acE
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 21, 2009, 01:27:16 AM
Hey, Apple has just refreshed the iMac line.

San Francisco Chronicle:  "Apple introduces new iMacs, MacBook and Mac Mini" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?&entry_id=49937)

TUAW: "First Look: New iMacs announced, and they're incredible!" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/20/first-look-new-imacs-announced-and-theyre-incredible/)

The revised iMacs all feature LED displays, bluetooth wireless keyboard and mouse now standard with all models, the entry-level iMac is now the 21.5 inch display (and the big one is now 27 instead of 24 inches), there's a new 'magic' mouse (also standard) which takes gestural/multi-touch input and of course, and of course, all versions get bumps in CPU speed and storage while maintaining the same approximate price points. There's also a boosted Mac Mini and a new MacBook which looks very nice... almost hard to justify the bump up to the base MacBook Pro. No word on Apple's forthcoming/rumored netbook... and on a business news channel today someone mentioned Apple possibly competing with Sony and Amazon for eBook reader market share... but unless they're convinced that EVERYone will eventually have a reader, I can't see the market being big enough anytime soon for Apple to dip it's toe in that particular pool. Despite the recession, Apple Mac and iPhone sales remain strong... the company's stock topped $200. today. I haven't heard, but I'd be surprised if the new iPod Nano (the one that shoots video too) isn't selling very well too.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 21, 2009, 07:43:38 AM
The old 24" iMac was so sweet...definitely my next desktop will be a Mac. But now should I go for the old 20" iMac or get the fancy-schmancy LED 21.5" iMac instead? I think they cost just about the same, but still...a 27" desktop is just insane man...Apple for the win, no doubt!

-- TheZookie "except if you bought your iMac last week in which case you are cussing Apple out right now LOL" 007
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on October 21, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
Sounds like maybe you should go for the 21.5" over the old 20". The displays used in the 20's weren't very good, and I saw several comments in reviews yesterday about how much better the new 21.5" displays are.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on October 21, 2009, 03:29:52 PM
Not relevant per se to this discussion, but I've been hearing more reports of the "Apple to release an e-reader/tablet to compete with the Kindle and Sony e-reader" and also, I just learned that Barnes and Noble has released it's own e-reader called Nook, which actually looks pretty nice and has a few novel features missing from both the Amazon and Sony efforts. With readers generally in the $200-300 range (for the standard size models) and netbooks costing slightly more (yes, I know there are a few netbooks in the $200-300 range but they're pretty bare-bones specwise and running something like OSX (or Vista for that matter) on such minimalist machines would be difficult) ...I'd assumed that an Apple netbook would compete with models in the $400-600 range. As such, the thought that Apple's offering would be BOTH a netbook and a reader seems perhaps a little less plausible... if they're going to compete in both markets, it would probably take two different products.

Which is not to say that Apple is incapable of designing a slim Mac netbook that folded into a tablet in a convincing simulation of a reader... I'm sure they could... but I tend to doubt that such an effort (in terms of componentry) would enable them to sell such a device at a truly competitive price. Still, iPods cost more than generic MP3 players... folks are happy to pay the difference for good design and quality manufacture, so maybe Apple could sell a netbook and/or reader thingy even if it were priced at say, 30% more than competitive offerings.

PS: Zook, I agree with gonZo: get the new 21.5" iMac instead of the previous-gen 20" ...the screen alone is worth it. Plus, the new one comes with that gestural-input Magic Mouse (and with that (assuming it works well) who the heck would want a weird mouse with a dozen buttons and wheels on it? ;)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 21, 2009, 08:10:59 PM
I've seen (and worked with for a while) the old 24" iMac and was just in love with it...so I will probably either get that or the new 27" one. Of course, by the time I finally get around to purchasing it, they're probably gonna come out with a 35" iMac or something :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Q_BE on October 22, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
I've seen (and worked with for a while) the old 24" iMac and was just in love with it...so I will probably either get that or the new 27" one. Of course, by the time I finally get around to purchasing it, they're probably gonna come out with a 35" iMac or something :)

Hell's bells, at that point, you might as well hook your Mac up to your HDTV! ::)

Q-"Utilizing the VGA hookup"-BE
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Shara on October 22, 2009, 01:27:34 AM
so a bigger monitor qualifies for FTW?

I must have missed something when they told everyone that you don't need a good videocard in your ftw-machine 8)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 10, 2010, 07:53:31 PM
Quick question, people: the one-year anniversary of my Mac mini purchase has rolled around, and I got mail from where I bought it (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.tekserve.com). They reminded me that the one-year warranty will soon expire and that I can purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan two-year extension, for around $140. Should I bother, or should I take my chances without AppleCare?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MaxBigfoot on March 10, 2010, 08:53:34 PM
The question I always ask myself when purchasing extended warranties is: What do you think the odds are of enough things going wrong in the warranty time period, to need the cost of the warranties worth of repairs?

In your case, do you think the odds are good that $140 worth of repairs will go wrong on your Mac in 2 years?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 10, 2010, 09:08:56 PM
You know what? No, I don't. I take pretty good care of my electronics. So I guess I will take a pass on that AppleCare. Thanks, Max.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MaxBigfoot on March 10, 2010, 09:22:31 PM
Glad to help, Zookie.  I learned that lesson after buying an extended warranty on my car that cost about $3000, and only using it for $125.  Same reason as you, I take care of my car.
Even better, my car extended warranty only applied to parts of the car, so the bet is "will $3000 worth of repairs be required on only 2/3 of the car in the warranty coverage period?".
I'll never do that again.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Q_BE on March 10, 2010, 09:25:37 PM
You know what? No, I don't. I take pretty good care of my electronics. So I guess I will take a pass on that AppleCare. Thanks, Max.

My Apple Macbook's hard drive failed within two years of its production, and my battery is now on the fritz, so yes, I am glad I took the AppleCare package. Maybe I just got a faulty Mac, but I like to think I take pretty good care of it. I don't drop it excessively, I shut it off regularly, and I basically only do work and play online games, except for SPORE, which is really the only processor-intensive program I run, except for Firefox.

I lost 80GB of data, and I'm still frustrated, over a year later. I also backup obsessively now. :P

Q-"Just my two cents"-BE
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: CarlTL on March 11, 2010, 02:48:55 AM
From the collective experience of my family, the extended warranty is best if you are picking up a laptop that you are going to be lugging around everywhere. A desktop just isn't going to be taking a beating that will require warranty work.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on March 11, 2010, 07:51:21 AM
ALWAYS get an extended warranty for a laptop, no matter who makes it. If nothing goes wrong, you're out some bucks. If something does go wrong, you're out a bunch. Laptop failure rates are much higher than desktop computers.




Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 11, 2010, 09:07:50 AM
Oh yeah, if it were a Mac laptop, for sure I'd have gotten an AppleCare warranty, but since it's a nice little stay-at-home Mac mini, I'm not worried about anything untoward happening to it. (Backups done regularly, got it covered on my renter's insurance, the whole nine.)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 06, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Among the various machines here, we've got a 24" iMac, and the video crapped out slightly more than a year after we bought it.

Dejected, and not looking forward to the big repair bill, I brought it to the local Apple store.  That's when I found out (was reminded?) that I DID actually originally pay for the extended warranty.  Go me!  :)

Total cost, including parts and labour:  $0.00.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 12, 2010, 11:14:37 PM
"Apple Brings An End To Its 'Get A Mac' Microsoft Slamming Ads" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.lockergnome.com/internetnut/2010/04/09/apple-ends-its-get-a-mac-ms-slamming-ads/)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 14, 2010, 08:04:01 AM
Yahoo! Tech: "Apple's MacBook Pro line gets new Intel processors, price tweaks" (http://linkblur.com/?)

Check 'em all out here (http://linkblur.com/?http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?cid=CDM-US-DM-P0009240-160270&Email_PageName=P0009240-160270&Email_OID=014bb803904a2a4ace096329a8cd2091&cp=em-P0009240-160270&sr=em).
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 17, 2010, 05:22:37 AM
Run! Run for the hills!

NetworkWorld: "New malware can take control of Macs, Intego warns" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/041610-new-malware-can-take-control.html)
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Batten down the hatches! Better yet, unplug your Mac and run for the hills! Intego, purveyor of internet security and privacy software for the Mac, reports that a new variant of malware--the intimidatingly-named HellRTS--has been spotted in the vast untamed reaches of the Internet.

...or, maybe not:
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But before you panic, let's take stock of the facts. First, there certainly is bad news. Intego says that HellRTS--which was first discovered in 2004--recently received some nefarious upgrades: The malicious software can now open a "backdoor" to your Mac by setting up its own server on a private port, complete with a password. The software duplicates and changes its name, identifying itself as other genuine Mac software (like "iPhoto"), making it even harder to spot. The new HellRTS variant can contact remote servers, and then, Intego says, "provide direct access to [the] infected Mac."

But here's the good news: I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance. The HellRTS.D variant isn't out in the wild; you can only be infected if you install the rogue software. Obviously, Trojan horse-style trickery could do the trick, but there are no reports that any such Trojans exist just yet. To date, the malware is merely being exchanged on forums frequented by technological evildoers (and the virus-protection software researchers who battle them).

How can you stay safe? Turn off "Open 'safe' files after downloading" in Safari's preferences, and only launch or install apps from trusted sources. Or, of course, as Intego's press release about HellRTS.D suggests, you could purchase Intego VirusBarrier X6, which can detect and scrub the nasty fellow.
In summary: looks like a theoretical threat at best.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on April 17, 2010, 02:26:45 PM
In further summary: Intego wants to sell a few copies of VirusBarrier X6.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 18, 2010, 07:56:23 AM
Yup! What better way to sell a product than to create a demand for the product in the first place :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Chestnuts on April 19, 2010, 03:44:15 AM
Or to unleash it themselves.


Like employees of a store that sells tires throwing nails on the road.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 20, 2010, 01:48:47 AM
Exactly :)

Meanwhile:

Ars Technica: "Why the 13" MacBook Pro didn't get a Core i5 upgrade" (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/why-the-13-macbook-pro-didnt-get-a-core-i5-upgrade.ars)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 23, 2010, 03:22:59 PM
so a bigger monitor qualifies for FTW?

I must have missed something when they told everyone that you don't need a good videocard in your ftw-machine 8)
So does that mean that these guys are talking out of their asses or what?:

YouTube: "The new Apple 27-inch iMac" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJs4ivW1qQ)

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 01, 2011, 06:35:19 PM
CNET's "The Apple Byte": "The New MacBook Pros" (http://cnettv.cnet.com/new-macbook-pros/9742-1_53-50100847.html?tag=api)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 19, 2011, 07:54:24 PM
Digital Trends: "Apple causes 'religious' reaction in brains of fans, say neuroscientists" (http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-causes-religious-reaction-in-brains-of-fans-say-neuroscientists/)

...but since they only scanned the brain of one admitted Apple fanatic, this causes an incredulous reaction in the brain of anyone with half a brain :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: pedonbio on May 21, 2011, 02:15:23 AM


I can only say:

Pal, repent before it is too late!
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on May 26, 2011, 02:45:53 AM
It's very very rare, but even Macs get infected once in a while: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/apple-operating-system-targeted-by-malware/?emc=eta1 ...happened to a friend of mine and we were both surprised.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 26, 2011, 06:24:06 AM
Now that the baddies have finished fucking around with Sony's Playstation Network, maybe now they can pay more attention to fucking around with Mac OS X systems :)

The Oatmeal: "What it's like to own an Apple product" (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 28, 2011, 07:48:38 AM
If you thought the Mac Defender (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20058847-263.html) malware stuff was bad, check this out:

CNET: "Updated rogue AV installs on Macs without password" (http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20066174-245.html)

Yikes!
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on May 28, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
MacGuard is just another variant of MacDefender, MacProtector, and MacSecurity. The recurring stories about it are still driven by Intego's press releases as they try to sell antivirus software. These apps can't install themselves unless they get the user's permission, so all you have to do is open your browser preferences, turn off "Open 'safe' files after downloading", and don't open zip files that you don't recognize or remember downloading.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 26, 2011, 08:39:39 PM
Yet another reason to get a Mac ;)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 26, 2011, 11:56:26 PM
Oh, and if this report (http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/httpwww-geek-comarticlesappleapple-in-talks-to-build-an-apple-store-in-new-yorks-grand-central-terminal-20110523-20110725/) is to believed, soon you'll be able to buy a Mac in Grand Central Terminal. Oh, joy.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 04, 2012, 12:37:38 AM
Update:
I intended to get a Mac mini for my birthday but I decided to carpe diem...so I'm getting one TOMORROW :)

The spec for this particular Mac mini is 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo with 1 GB RAM (2x512 MB, expandable to 2 GB RAM), 80GB HDD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive, Airport, Bluetooth, Remote and running Apple MacOS X 10.5. Installed software: Apple QuickTime, Apple Hardware Test, Apple Mac OS X Mail, Apple iCal, Apple DVD Player, Apple Address Book, Apple Safari, Apple iChat AV, Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, Apple Dashboard, Apple Spotlight, Apple XCode Developer Tools, iWork (30 days trial), Apple iLife '08, Apple Spaces, Apple Quick Look, Apple Time Machine. All for around $450 (it's a closeout model). I'm getting it, as I've said before, mainly for iPhone development purposes (and to finally get myself familiar with the Way of Mac). I already have a monitor laying around but I'm going to pick up a Mac keyboard and mouse, and I'm trying to spend as little money as I can while doing so.

I'm ashamed to say that, for various reasons, the last time I even touched this machine was when I picked it up from the store -- I never even got a chance to crack it open! It's still in the box, gathering dust, and getting more and more obsolete! Shame shame shame :) My iPhone development efforts never got off the ground either. I was seduced by the siren call of Android instead and thus neglected my iOS brethren.

But that was then, and this is now. I have been thrown into a maelstrom at work which requires me to learn and implement a project for iOS in a hurry. They issued me a pretty good Mac mini (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-i5-2.3-mid-2011-specs.html) machine (ironic, no?) but I needed to speed up my learning curve. Thus, I took my own advice...

BTW, two places to get cheapish used Macs (iMacs, MacBooks, etc.) are Apple Palace (http://www.applepalace.com) and Mac of All Trades (http://www.macofalltrades.com).

...and I ordered for a refurbished 17-inch MacBook Pro (http://www.macofalltrades.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MBP-17-266-M10HRA). I was going to get a 15-inch refurb MBP (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC847) from the Apple Store, until I realized I could get one from MOAT with a bigger (anti-glare) screen, more RAM and a bigger HDD, that cost less than the one from Apple! Plus, it has AppleCare until mid-2013! w00t!

Can't wait until it gets into my grubby little hands...maybe she (http://macenstein.com/default/2011/06/macensteins-mac-chick-of-the-month-june-2011-amanda-vanderpool) and I can celebrate together...
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 26, 2012, 06:02:50 AM
Quick questions:

1. VMware Fusion, or Parallels?

2. Getting one of them keyboard covers (http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A); will it leave imprints on my screen when I close the lid, and if so, how can I prevent that from happening?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on June 26, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
Quick questions:

1. VMware Fusion, or Parallels?

2. Getting one of them keyboard covers (http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A); will it leave imprints on my screen when I close the lid, and if so, how can I prevent that from happening?

1)  Latest reviews say Parallels is better.  Check them both out and unless you're going to be a Windows power user in them, it probably dosen't matter.

2) I'd imagine not.  Do the reviews say anything about it?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on June 26, 2012, 11:44:11 AM
Dee, the first 3 pages of reviews don't mention screen-imprinting, so I wouldn't worry about it. The screen is glass, and isn't prone to imprinting. Even if the keyboard cover secretes a little over time, you should be able to wipe anything off with a damp cloth.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 27, 2012, 06:29:13 AM
The screen is glass, and isn't prone to imprinting. Even if the keyboard cover secretes a little over time, you should be able to wipe anything off with a damp cloth.

I sure hope so. I had a Compaq laptop once which didn't have a keyboard cover but whose keys did indeed imprint the screen. Try as I might, I couldn't get the smudge off. And since they're discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro with antiglare screen, I really don't want anything to happen to the screen.

And now I have to decide whether to buy a proper copy of Windows 7 Professional (for use when I get Parallels) or get a (ahem) "liberated" copy instead ;)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on June 27, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
I sure hope so. I had a Compaq laptop once which didn't have a keyboard cover but whose keys did indeed imprint the screen. Try as I might, I couldn't get the smudge off. And since they're discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro with antiglare screen, I really don't want anything to happen to the screen.

And now I have to decide whether to buy a proper copy of Windows 7 Professional (for use when I get Parallels) or get a (ahem) "liberated" copy instead ;)

Are you sure you even need the keyboard cover?

They'll always have spare antiglare screens at Apple if you need one (and you're willing to pay $300-$400 for a flat-rate repair if you're out of warranty); they harvest still-good screens from dead machines, and if you get one, it's fully warrantied for 90 days. I've had Powerbooks and MacBook Pros for over a decade --the first ones had plastic screens that were a little squishy-- and none of them has ever taken an imprint from the keyboard. Apple's very careful about assembly tolerances, so unless the hinge is damaged, there's always about 1/16" of air between the screen and the keys.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 27, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
That may very well be so, but of course another reason for a keyboard cover is to prevent the keys from getting worn so much or smudged so much that the keycaps become illegible.

Just found that I can pick up Parallels 7 for like $85 from Office Depot. :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: funkyboobster on June 27, 2012, 03:04:11 PM
Virtual Box for free.  No need to buy virtualization software anymore. 
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 28, 2012, 07:58:25 AM
My rating of the alternatives from cheapest to most expensive:

VirtualBox
VMware Fusion
Parallels

So I will try VB before getting a copy of VMware.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: funkyboobster on June 28, 2012, 01:51:39 PM
I bought Parallels back in the day.  I liked it, but VirtualBox is more than adequate.  When I started to get email from the folks at Parallels about buying an upgrade to the new version, I switched.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 28, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
Yeah, the Parallels chaps always charge you stupid prices for their updates, unlike the Fusion chaps. I'm cheap, I ain't gonna lie, so that's a factor in my decision :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 01, 2012, 11:58:11 PM
So, has anyone updated their OS yet?

-- TheZookie "won't buy it just yet, since he's bound to upgrade to Snoop Mountain Lion soon enough" 007
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on August 03, 2012, 10:45:30 AM
So, has anyone updated their OS yet?

I did a couploe fo days ago.  Putting it thru its paces.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on August 03, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Yes, I have updizzled my syzzle. Nothing terribly flashy about Mountain Lion, but it adds some nice features and seems more smooth and solid than Lion.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on August 03, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Yeah, it's pretty much a polished Lion.  They took some stuff and added some stuff but nothing major.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on November 21, 2012, 06:31:57 AM
I don't intend to glorify the trivial, nor state the obvious, but there's actually something sublime about the trackpad mouseclick on a six-year-old MacBookPro.

No doubt, Apple spent countless $ determining the precise quantity and quality of tactile feedback, etc... and undeniably, it was money well spent. Normally, I prefer and opt for the 'click sensitive' trackpad, but in this case, I choose to use the button, just because of how it feels.

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 09, 2014, 03:09:36 AM
Picking up one of these (http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/macbookpro_13_unibody_mid12/) soon. Replacing the HDD with a 1 TB SSD. Bumping up the RAM to 16 GB if I can get away with it. This baby is gonna be a screamer.

Next Mac purchase: one of these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/291284995175?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l4455&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI291284995175.N7.S1.M1484.R1.TR4).
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on December 07, 2014, 07:33:42 AM
Got my refurbished 13-inch MBP off of eBay. Reset the password of the already-existing account on it this way (http://www.youtube.com/v/S8eAU-Qyfec&rel=0). Then wiped and repartitioned the hard disk and re-installed OS X Mountain Lion this way (http://www.youtube.com/v/cBX6J9Ccl3A&rel=0). Then set up my account on the now-good-as-new machine this way (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2426419%2c00.asp). Finally, I'm going to follow the steps here (http://www.macyourself.com/2010/04/28/new-to-mac-top-16-things-to-do-when-first-setting-up-your-mac/) to make my clean machine whistle.

Now all I have to do is buy a keyboard skin (http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Orange-Silicone-Keyboard-Skin-Shield-for-Apple-MacBook-Pro/6432757/product.html), and a screen protector (http://store.apple.com/us/product/H8056ZM/A/moshi-13-ivisor-pro-matte-screen-protector-for-macbook-pro), and prep a bootable USB drive (https://www.youtube.com/v/Q247rzjDX_g&rel=0) just in case I ever need it, and maybe pick up a snazzy laptop sleeve (http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Black-Sleeve-for-Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-inch/6338165/product.html) or two (https://www.goincase.com/shop/other-sleeves/incase-warhol-protective-sleeve-for-macbook-pro-13/). Oh, and maybe Plasti-Dip it (https://www.youtube.com/v/q5KTN_MYoF4&rel=0) too (which is way cheaper than taking it to ColorWare (https://www.youtube.com/v/M8wnUpCaAuk&rel=0)).

Good times...good times. :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on December 08, 2014, 07:31:41 PM
Digging through my stuff, I realize that I already have a spare keyboard skin (http://www.amazon.com/COSMOS-keyboard-Aluminum-Unibody-Macbook/dp/B0055PYQU0), so I won't end up needing to buy one after all. Sweet. I got one of these leather pads (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/LSPTIG4) for my other Mac, so I will probably get one for this one too.

I haven't upgraded to Yosemite yet, and shall try to put that off as long as I can in fact, since I think the new OS X is far too cartoony for my tastes. In case you want to switch back to an older, more professional--looking version of OS X, here's a few links that may help:


"How to downgrade from OS X Yosemite 10.10 to OS X Mavericks 10.9" (https://www.youtube.com/v/4FvL8rBucUU&rel=0)
"How to downgrade from OS X Mavericks 10.9 to OS X Mountain Lion 10.8" (https://www.youtube.com/v/kWwfx-HK0_M&rel=0)
"How to downgrade from OS X Mavericks 10.9 to OS X Mountain Lion 10.8" (http://techguylabs.com/blog/how-downgrade-os-x-mountain-lion-os-x-mavericks)
"How to downgrade from OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (or Mac OS X 10.7 Lion) to OS X Snow Leopard 10.7" (https://www.youtube.com/v/QaDMbmsRqkQ&rel=0)

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 02, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
Transitioning from Windows to the Mac and I miss the dedicated PageUp, PageDown, Home and End keys. So I'm always having to re-remind myself how to do those things on a Mac:

PageUp: hold down the Fn key and press the up arrow key

PageDn: hold down the Fn key and press the down arrow key; or press the spacebar

Home: hold down the Fn key and the Option key, and press the Up arrow key; or hold down the Command key and press the left arrow key

End: hold down the Fn key and the Option key, and press the Down arrow key; or hold down the Command key and press the right arrow key

Drives me crazy that the Mac couldn't just put those dedicated keys on the keyboard...

Also, on a Mac, the Delete key works the same way the Backspace key does on a Windows PC (i.e. it deletes the character to the left of the cursor). If you want to do a delete on a Mac the same way the Del key does on a Windows PC (i.e. delete the character to the right of the cursor), you have to hold down the Fn key and press the Delete key.

Finally, if you ever wanted to make a screenshot of the screen on a Mac, here's how:

WikiHow: "How to Take a Screenshot in Mac OS X" (http://www.wikihow.com/Take-a-Screenshot-in-Mac-OS-X)

 
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on February 03, 2015, 01:47:40 AM
The Mac screencap method using the command-shift-3 and -4 keys has worked the exact same way since early 1984 (Day One of Macintosh)... I've mentioned it quite a few times, including in our thread about making screen caps in different OSes in the Computer Help forum.

Also, re: keyboards (another subject I've posted on extensively and I use them SO much and for SO long that I've had time to think about them in obsessive detail ;))... you do know that you can pretty much use any modern PC keyboard on a Mac, right? And visa-versa? And either kind will run on a PC and be recognized/work properly, including the actual/dedicated pg up/down/home/end/nav keys, by most major distros of Linux, right? There are some m1nor layout differences (Windows key vs Apple/command key, etc...) but they're easy enough to get used to fairly quickly. Really old PC keyboards (having PS2 connectors or the even-older ones with the big DIN connector) will usually not work on a Mac, even with the port adapters, though there are ways to get around this ...worth it IMO only for a nice IBM Model M keyboard for example). ;)

You're probably using a "short" version of a keyboard where they squeeze some keys that would be separate into/onto other keys to save space, as is common with laptops (in fact, lots of low-profile desktop keyboards use the the same mechanicals that they do in laptop keyboards ...from various PC makers, including Apple). If I'm using a keyboard that has no actual/stand-alone numeric keypad, then I accept that it doesn't have those dedicated keys. So, if certain keys are AWOL on certain keyboards, that's just how they are (and a good reason to get a replacement keyboard if you feel that you need the missing keys). I dunno which Apple keyboard you're using atm (probably a 'short' one w/o a numeric keypad or the standalone navigation keys you miss) but I've got one from a Mac Mini... it's that really flat silver one with white keys (the keyboard body is actually made of aluminum, it's not silver-colored plastic) that you see on a zillion Macs since at least '05 or '06 (Model #A1243).

It's an Apple keyboard and it HAS dedicated Page Up, Page Down, Home and End keys right above the cursor arrow keys (pic attached), so the lack of those discreet keys is NOT a trait of Macs. I'm sure you can find an A1243 keyboard (or one like it) for about $25 on eBay, given how used keyboards depreciate even faster than system units. If $ is really tight, any old full-size PC keyboard that you fish out of a recycling bin will work too. :)

apple-a1243-keyboard-ogrady
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on February 03, 2015, 02:50:27 AM
I always preferred Mac keyboards with the big Enter key in the lower-right corner, because I could let go of the mouse and blindly smack that thing to OK dialogs and stuff.

Pal says: yah, I love the double-height Enter key too for the exact same reason, but that's rare these days in OEM keyboards. I'm sure some curent aftermarket keyboards can still be found with that though. The original (and much-loved) IBM Model M (on the PC and XT, and still available from Unicomp) did not have the big Enter key, but the later keyboard for the IBM AT did. Having the top-right backspace/delete key be a bit bigger than a regular keycap is also handy (IMO).

Of course, there are guys who HATE the oversized Enter key too: http://everything2.com/title/Keyboards+with+a+big+L-shaped+%2522enter%2522+covering+the+place+Pipe+usually+is and http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/260982-why-do-keyboard-makers-do-this but my impression is that they're mostly programming/scripting types who use the Pipe (|) key, which often gets relocated when the Enter key is enbiggened since it's often located just above the Enter key. ;)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 03, 2015, 05:28:50 AM

You're probably using a "short" version of a keyboard where they squeeze some keys that would be separate into/onto other keys to save space, as is common with laptops (in fact, lots of low-profile desktop keyboards use the the same mechanicals that they do in laptop keyboards ...from various PC makers, including Apple).


Yeah, I'm using the keyboard on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on February 03, 2015, 06:28:03 AM
Yeah, I'm using the keyboard on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.

Very few laptops (if any) are going to have dedicated navigation keys. There are four in my possession atm: one Dell, one HP, one Toshiba and an old Macbook Pro. NONE of those four has dedicated nav keys. The lack of them isn't a Mac thing, it's a small keyboard thing, as are usually used in most laptops.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 03, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
My 15-inch Samsung Series 5 laptop not only has dedicated navigation keys, it also has a full numeric keypad.

On the other hand, my 17-inch MacBook Pro doesn't have those dedicated nav keys.

(Kanye shrug)

Pal replies: yah, some select laptops have dedicated numeric keypads, and they'll usually have the nav keys overlaid on that. But as with any keyboard having at attached/integrated numpad, it offsets the main part of the keyboard to the left by a couple/three inches or so. Not so much a big deal on a desktop, where you can simply move the keyboard to the right (relative to your monitor) but since the keyboard/display relationship is fixed on a laptop, also potentially a PITA.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on February 06, 2015, 01:37:36 AM
If your 17-inch MBP has an open USB port, this beauty Pal mentioned can be yours from the Apple store for 49 bucks.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-english-usa?fnode=56
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 06, 2015, 07:46:25 AM
Yup, that's a nice-looking keyboard. Will wait until I can get it on clearance though since I am an avowed cheapster :D

Just came across this collection of hints and tips for newbie Mac owners:

reddit: "Apple Tips" (http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/wiki/appletips#wiki_know_how)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on February 06, 2015, 09:22:34 AM
osxprivacy.com (http://osxprivacy.com/)

fix-macosx.com (https://fix-macosx.com/)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: Palomine on February 06, 2015, 03:25:37 PM
Yup, that's a nice-looking keyboard. Will wait until I can get it on clearance though since I am an avowed cheapster :D

Just came across this collection of hints and tips for newbie Mac owners:

reddit: "Apple Tips" (http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/wiki/appletips#wiki_know_how)

The Apple keyboard that gonZo linked to http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-english-usa?fnode=56 is nice in that the upper half of the case/body is actually made of aluminum and not plastic, so it has a bit of weight (more than you'd expect given how thin it is) and feels good in hand. However, though I know it's stylish, I for one am NOT that fond of the totally flat surface (the body/keycaps aren't 'contoured' to make the fingertip reach to the upper rows easier) OR of the very modest keyswitch travel (I'm assuming they use laptop-style keyswitches, if not an actual laptop mechanism).

Don't get me wrong: it's a good looking keyboard... a very good looking keyboard in fact, and more than adequate for regular use... and I do know people who type a lot who use and love it, but IMO, it's not really that well-suited for serious typists/typing. Or maybe I'm just a curmudgeon who insists on mechanical keyswitches and more travel. ;) A brief skim online shows there are heavy typists who both love it and hate it, but then again you can pretty much find the same polarized viewpoints for any keyboard, even the vaunted IBM Model M. Some tout the slim, low-profile design and gentle inputs of the Apple A1243 (and its smaller sibling without the nav/num keypad) as promoting a more relaxed and natural hand position, reducing fatigue. In the end, it's whatever feels good to the user of course. :)

I don't begrudge you your thrift Zook.... though $49. seems a pretty fair price given the aluminum, the design and (of course) the Apple logo, I'm sure you can get it via eBay for less... from folks who barely used theirs before replacing it with a different keyboard... the way you can find little/lightly-used OEM/factory alloy wheels from folks who promptly modified their cars with aftermarket wheels. ;)

I hadn't planned on getting rid of mine, but as mentioned I do have one of those Apple model A1243 keyboards that I don't use much (I'm down to only one working Mac in the house now, and it's a laptop and doesn't need an external keyboard) and I'd be happy to trade it for used but usable example of any of the following keyboards:

IBM Model M
IBM AT keyboard (I don't know the model number offhand, but you know the one I mean: like the Model M but bigger)
Any reasonable reproduction of the Model M such as some of those made by Unicomp (or possibly Lexmark or MaxiSwitch).
Any lesser-known but interesting mechanical keyboard that I can get to work, especially if it's got buckling-spring keyswitches. I'm a fan of weird. ;)


Interface not vital: USB preferred of course, but I can use it with PS2 or even the big old DIN connectors from the 1980s. Of course, I'll be happy to make up any value difference with other gear (your should see my stash ;)) or $ if necessary.


Just putting it out there. :)

Apropos of not much, the attached graphic is a nice little cutaway diagram of a buckling spring keyswitch. ;) Now I'm off to assemble a whole room-full of steel shelving so as to better organize some of my accumulated bits and pieces. ;)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 06, 2015, 05:14:03 PM
Yeah, I need a Model M too. Those keyboards they used for the IBM PS/2 -- greatest ever! Nice and tactile and springy.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on February 09, 2015, 07:06:07 PM
The Apple USB keyboard we're discussing has chiclet-style keys that travel down about 3/32" when struck. Although the aluminum frame is a modest wedge to elevate the key-rows farthest from you, the key surfaces are all parallel to the wedge, so the key-rows aren't "stepped"; the top surfaces of all of the keys are on the same (slightly tilted) plane.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 20, 2015, 06:38:18 AM
Anyone know of any free alternatives to SuperDuper! or Carbon Copy Cloner?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: SwitcherX on February 21, 2015, 10:16:18 PM
I'm in a rush

http://alternativeto.net/software/clonezilla/?platform=mac


http://alternativeto.net/software/chronosync/?platform=mac
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 22, 2015, 11:46:27 PM
It turns out that there actually is a free version of Carbon Copy Cloner (version 3.4.7, available here (http://files.bombich.com/ccc-3.4.7.dmg)). I think version 3.5.7 is also free, if you can find it (it may be here (http://files.bombich.com/ccc-3.5.7.dmg)). The most recent version of CCC (version 4 (http://sites.fastspring.com/bombich/product/ccc)) is $39.99, with a 30-day free trial.

ChronoSync (http://www.econtechnologies.com//chronosync/overview.html) isn't free; although it does have a 30-day free trial, it costs $40.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 21, 2017, 03:03:10 AM
Update, five years later:


2. Getting one of them keyboard covers (http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A); will it leave imprints on my screen when I close the lid, and if so, how can I prevent that from happening?

I got a Moshi keyboard cover for every MacBook Pro I own. Paired with one of these (https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/LSPTIG4/), I have no fear of any imprints on my screen.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: tdotter on August 26, 2017, 01:03:06 PM
 :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on August 26, 2017, 07:16:18 PM
PHONE RINGS

ME: Hello?

HER: Hello sir, I'm calling from Computer Services because our systems tell us there are several problems with your computer.

ME: You can tell all that from wherever you are?

HER: Yes sir.

ME: Wow. Can you please tell me what operating system I'm running?

HER: What?

ME: If you know there are problems with my computer, then you must know what operating system I'm running. It should be near the top of your screen. Just tell me which operating system I'm running.

HER: (silence)

ME: Would you like to take a guess?

HER: (silence)

ME: How about two guesses?

HER: (click)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 31, 2017, 08:42:20 AM
Least-competent scammer ever :)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 11, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
If you don't want to shell out the money for software like Carbon Copy Cloner, it is possible to clone your Mac OS X bootable drive onto an 2.5-inch drive via an external case, using just the built-in Disk Utility software. This video shows how:
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 16, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Oops, forgot to add the link to the video :)

Miss Penny Worth: "Copy Your Hard Drive to an SSD with StarTech Docking Station on an Apple Computer / Macbook" (http://www.youtube.com/v/0gjUjgaEE8U&rel=0)
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 29, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
If you were stupid enough to install macOS High Sierra on your machine as soon as it came out, sucks to be you right now. (https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root) Now, sure, they've come out with a patch for this huge security hole (https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/29/16715246/apple-releases-high-sierra-root-security-patch), but this is just one more example of how far OS X has fallen.

I have to ask along with this tech vlogger: "Why Does macOS High Sierra Suck?" (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Lr1rEdRgxVY)

Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: andrat2000 on November 30, 2017, 12:41:34 AM
If you were stupid enough to install macOS High Sierra on your machine as soon as it came out, sucks to be you right now. (https://www.wired.com/story/macos-high-sierra-hack-root) Now, sure, they've come out with a patch for this huge security hole (https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/29/16715246/apple-releases-high-sierra-root-security-patch), but this is just one more example of how far OS X has fallen.

I have to ask along with this tech vlogger: "Why Does macOS High Sierra Suck?" (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Lr1rEdRgxVY)

Just set a password for root, like every good Linux Admin does, or when buying a preconfigured SAN device ....
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: CarlTL on November 30, 2017, 01:01:39 AM
Apple released the patch for that security issue today. I'm downloading right now.
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 08, 2018, 12:14:48 AM
I have OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion on my 13-inch mid-June 2012 MacBook Pro. I want to update it to OS X 10.11.x El Capitan, the last version of OS X to not have Siri installed. I'm not interested in installing the latest version (OS X 10.13 High Sierra) because it's buggy as hell. Does anyone know where I can get El Capitan?
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: gonZo on January 10, 2018, 03:17:05 AM
 8)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206886
Title: Re: getting a Mac
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 10, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
Thanks, gonZo. Now off to make a complete Time Machine backup of my Mac.