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Title: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 20, 2009, 08:13:57 PM
When it comes to smartphones, Blackberry is all well and good, but everyone is salivating over the iPhone, and with good reason (despite AT&T's suckiness)...but the open-source Android OS, backed strongly by Google, is coming up fast. (Windows Mobile is so blah they don't figure in this discussion at all LOL)

The most recent version of the iPhone is the iPhone 3GS, but within a few weeks, the Motorola-made Droid (powered by Android) is coming out, with Verizon as the carrier.

NetworkWorld: "Smartphone smackdown: Motorola Droid vs. iPhone 3GS" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/news/2009/101909-droid-vs-iphone.html&pagename=/news/2009/101909-droid-vs-iphone.html&pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/101909-droid-vs-iphone.html&site=printpage)

TechCrunch: "Verizon Droid Is The Real Deal" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/18/verizon-droid-is-the-real-deal/)

The Boy Genius Report: "Motorola Droid hands on" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/19/motorola-droid-hands-on/)

-- TheZookie "game on!" 007
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on October 21, 2009, 02:46:30 AM
Exclusive: Google to Crash Android Party (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10614007/1/exclusive-google-plans-its-own-android-phone.html)

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If talk of the Google phone plan is true, the **103** of a unlocked, low-cost, Web-friendly touchscreen device will probably undercut other Android phone efforts by players like Motorola, Samsung and Dell.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: PregNut on October 21, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
I'm sure however good the Droid is, Verizon's user unfriendly interface will make it frustrating to use.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 08, 2009, 01:29:56 AM
"Motorola Droid: A Visual Tour" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.networkworld.com/slideshows/2009/110609-motorola-droid.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2009-11-06)

And I just heard that, although the counter staff don’t tell you about it, you can actually get a Droid on a 1 year contract for $269 instead of 2 years for $199. Get a $39.99/month 450 minute + $29.99/month unlimited data plan, and you should be in like Flynn. And although the Android Marketplace pales in size to the iPhone App Store (10K apps to Apple's 100K-and-rising), here (http://www.**21**/?http://www.pcworld.com/article/181630/verizons_droid_10_apps_to_get_you_started.html) are 10 Android apps for starters.

Plus, there's a rumor afoot (http://www.**21**/?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/110609-a-99-8gb-iphone-3gs.html?ap1=rcb) that Apple/AT&T are going to introduce a 8 GB iPhone 3GS (to replace the 8GB iPhone 3G) for just $99. Curiouser and curiouser....
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Palomine on November 08, 2009, 12:40:41 PM
"Motorola Droid: A Visual Tour" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.networkworld.com/slideshows/2009/110609-motorola-droid.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2009-11-06)

And I just heard that, although the counter staff don’t tell you about it, you can actually get a Droid on a 1 year contract for $269 instead of 2 years for $199. Get a $39.99/month 450 minute + $29.99/month unlimited data plan, and you should be in like Flynn. And although the Android Marketplace pales in size to the iPhone App Store (10K apps to Apple's 100K-and-rising), here (http://www.**21**/?http://www.pcworld.com/article/181630/verizons_droid_10_apps_to_get_you_started.html) are 10 Android apps for starters.

Plus, there's a rumor afoot (http://www.**21**/?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/110609-a-99-8gb-iphone-3gs.html?ap1=rcb) that Apple/AT&T are going to introduce a 8 GB iPhone 3GS (to replace the 8GB iPhone 3G) for just $99. Curiouser and curiouser....

Hard to understand how just a decade ago, most folks got along fine with just a regular, inexpensive home phone line. Now many pay the additional $70. a month Zookie describes (if not even MORE) on top of their land line, to say nothing of monthly charges for cable/satellite, internet access, etc... It's not like a dollar has more value (more buying power) than it did 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: rtpoe on November 11, 2009, 02:08:35 AM
It's the long-term contracts that I don't get. Well, from the point of view of the provider, sure. But why are people falling for them?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 13, 2009, 07:35:09 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/iphone_or_droid.png)

I guess that's settled then.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 13, 2009, 02:22:52 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/iphone_or_droid.png)

I guess that's settled then.

You forgot to post the mouseHover() alt text:  "It may be a fundamentally empty experience, but holy crap the Droid's 265 ppi screen is amazing."

XKCD ftw. (http://xkcd.com/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: PregNut on November 27, 2009, 03:46:06 AM
It's the long-term contracts that I don't get. Well, from the point of view of the provider, sure. But why are people falling for them?

Easy: iPhone 3Gs 32GB with 2-year contract, $299. Without contract, $749.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 27, 2009, 09:21:23 PM
Easy: iPhone 3Gs 32GB with 2-year contract, $299. Without contract, $749.

Interesting.  The typical cost to break one's contract is $150-200 (if you bail out before the 2 years are up).  So it would seem to be a quick way to save $250.  Of course, I'm guessing that the marketing droids have already figured that one out, with a far steeper exit clause.  (Wild guess; I don't have the info, but would be interested in reading the actual figures.)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 29, 2009, 09:29:50 PM
No, actually, you're right, PregNut, and your figures are just about in the ballpark. The carriers can do absolutely nothing to prevent one from getting the phone, signing up for the two-year contract, waiting a month, then bailing out while paying the break fee. The fact that they charge so much to get out of a contract, esp. when the service is as crappy as AT&T's, is particularly irksome. It's practically daylight robbery. And Palomine has a point, too. We're all crazy; why would anyone with their right mind be willing to pay two thousand dollars over the course of two years just for a mobile phone (and its service contract)? It's madness. Get DSL Internet access, and Netflix if you want to watch quality TV, and that should be good enough. It doesn't make sense to pay for mobile and cable as well. We must all be smoking something LOL
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on November 30, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
Since it's Cyber Monday, looking for some (any) deals available for the iPod Touch (which is the iPhone but without the telephony functions). Amazon.com has an 8GB 2nd-generation Touch for $158. Or I suppose you could:
for a total cost of $344. Definitely cheaper than buying it without the contract, eh?

Or at least you could do that...if the model in question wasn't temporarily out of stock (http://www.**21**/?http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/packages/packages-details.jsp?q_package=sku3270244) :D
 

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 09, 2010, 07:02:36 AM
With this week's launch of the Nexus One phone from Google, things have heated up even more.

Mashable: "Nexus One vs Droid vs iPhone [Comparison Chart]" (http://www.**21**/?http://mashable.com/2010/01/05/nexus-one-vs-droid-vs-iphone/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 09, 2010, 09:53:02 AM
"Google Nexus One: The 'Fuck You iPhone' Phone" (http://www.**21**/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SzB58qHI0) :D
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on January 09, 2010, 04:53:32 PM
"Google's biggest announcement was not a phone, but a URL" (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/01/googles-big-news-today-was-not-a-phone-but-a-url.ars)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 25, 2010, 10:01:45 PM
Rumors are flying that the new product announcement on Wednesday will also feature the official end of the exclusivity agreement to carry the iPhone on AT&T in the US. I personally hope they come on to T-Mobile, but the smart money seems to be on Verizon getting the deal.

Mashable: "iPhone May Leave AT&T Exclusivity Wednesday [Rumor]" (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/01/24/iphone-exclusivity-ends-wednesday/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 25, 2010, 11:28:15 PM
Electronista: "IDC: Android to overtake iPhone, Blackberry by 2013"

"Android will rise to be the second most used mobile OS in the world by 2013, according to a new IDC estimate. Analysts still expect Symbian to hold on to its lead but that Google's OS will have grown 100 times larger since starting off in 2008, reaching 68 million phones three years from today. The prediction doesn't immediately gauge the position of BlackBerry, iPhone or Windows Mobile but expects all three to be eclipsed.

The upset would come about as a virtue of the Android ecosystem. As more companies start making Android phones, the platform should become the default choice for those who aren't making their own operating systems and will replace both Linux and Windows Mobile in these areas. Apple and RIM are the only manufacturers for their platforms and limit their exposure as a result.

Nokia's security, meanwhile, should come from its established dominance in areas outside of North America. Linux and webOS are the only major platforms expected to struggle, as the former will likely lose out to Android while webOS' relatively limited availability could hurt, even as it grows overall.

Android remained small for most of its first year but has rapidly grown through late 2009 and early 2010 as companies like Acer, Dell, LG, Motorola, Samsung and Sony Ericsson have all launched their own phones using the software. In some cases, companies have either started off using Android for their first smartphones or even replaced some if not all of their Linux and Windows Mobile devices with the more modern, open OS."
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Palomine on January 26, 2010, 02:03:53 AM
I have no personal stake in the matter so don't care, but IDC's "Android to surpass iPhone and Blackberry by 2013" is merely a prediction/projection of course. It may come to pass, or it may not... certainly, Android is licensed to other manufacturers so it has that advantage (though how many of them will continue to support it over time now that they have to compete with Google itself re: handsets and service remains to be seen). There's a new iPhone out this summer... purportedly not locked to AT&T this time... maybe Verizon. Simply getting better 3G data coverage courtesy of a better network would remove/reduce the single major complaint from iPhone users... to say nothing of whatever attractions might also be part of the new iPhone.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 01, 2010, 09:08:30 PM
Another front of the battlefield:

Yahoo! PluggedIn: "Apple vs. Google: The fight for the smartphone gaming crown" (http://linkblur.com/?http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/apple-vs-google-the-fight-for-the-smartphone-gaming-crown/1386921)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Shara on February 01, 2010, 09:17:13 PM
I like the milestone... I want to get it... I hope it's available in my country :)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 18, 2010, 09:46:09 AM
Damn good question:

CrunchGear: "Question: Why does the iPhone still have the best touchscreen in the industry?" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/15/question-why-does-the-iphone-still-have-the-best-touchscreen-in-the-industry/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Shara on February 20, 2010, 01:31:03 PM
so I've been working a windows 6.5 mobile now (no milestone in my country :()... it's not that bad, once you tweak it
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 03, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Uh-oh.

TechCrunch: "Apple Goes After HTC In Lawsuit Over 20 iPhone Patents" (http://linkblur.com/?http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/apple-goes-after-htc-in-lawsuit-over-20-iphone-patents/)

TechCrunch: "The Complaint: Apple’s Patent Lawsuit Against HTC Is All About Android" (http://linkblur.com/?http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/the-complaint-apples-patent-lawsuit-against-htc-is-all-about-android/)

TechCrunch: "Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring" (http://linkblur.com/?http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/google-htc-apple-lawsuit/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 08, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
This article is on the long side, but I think it makes a good point.

Armed and Dangerous: "Greed kills: Why smartphone lock-in will fail and open source win" (http://linkblur.com/?http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1781)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 20, 2010, 01:31:19 AM
Some dude walks into a bar, gets **92**, and accidentally leaves behind a prototype of the new iPhone. Sounds like the setup for a joke, but apparently it really happened.

Gizmodo: "This is Apple's Next iPhone -- the iPhone 4" (http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone)
Gizmodo: "How Apple Lost the Next iPhone" (http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone)

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 20, 2010, 05:01:20 AM
PC World: "Droid vs. iPhone 3GS: An Update" (http://www.pcworld.com/article/194464/droid_vs_iphone_3gs_an_update.html)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 22, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
Somewhere someone is singing "Kumbaya" :)

TechnoBuzz: "Download Android OS for iPhone" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.technobuzz.net/download-android-os-for-iphone)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 30, 2010, 08:40:32 PM
The Daily Show: "Appholes" (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes)

MacRumors: "EFF Believes Search and Seizure of Gizmodo Editor's Computers Was Illegal" (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/26/eff-believes-search-and-seizure-of-gizmodo-editors-computers-was-illegal/)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 02, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
YouTube: "Grey Powell's searches" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDoxb-2JVLw)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 11, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
NetworkWorld: "How Android hit the big time in the smartphone OS market" (http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/news/2010/051110-android-smartphone.html&pagename=/news/2010/051110-android-smartphone.html&pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/051110-android-smartphone.html&site=wirelessmobile)

"Android has officially hit the big time now that sales (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/051010-android-q1-sales.html?hpg1=bn) of its devices exceeded the Apple iPhone over the past quarter.

Android's rise is fairly remarkable for an operating system that only just launched in the fall of 2007. The open-source operating system's success is even more impressive when you consider that when it debuted it was already facing a crowded field of OS heavyweights such as the iPhone, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile and Symbian.

Briefly, a look at the numbers: Over the span of a mere quarter last year, Android saw its share (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031010-android-dominates-windows-mobile-plummets.html) of the U.S. smartphone market more than double, as the platform was used on more than 7% of all U.S. smartphones at the end of 2009. The most recent research released by the NPD Group showed that Android-based phones in the first quarter of 2010 accounted for 28% of all smartphone shipments, trailing only Research in Motion's BlackBerry operating system, which accounted for 36% of all smartphone shipments in the quarter. And finally, Android-based phones are now available on all four major U.S. wireless carriers, with the million-selling Motorola Droid (http://blog.flurry.com/bid/31410/Day-74-Sales-Apple-iPhone-vs-Google-Nexus-One-vs-Motorola-Droid) so far serving as the platform's flagship device...."
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Feral on May 11, 2010, 10:53:31 PM
Great, its good to see a real threat to Apple's domination in the cute trendy gadget scene.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: solvegas on May 12, 2010, 01:50:06 AM
Yes, it's good to see Motorola doing well since the Razor phone of a few years back.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 12, 2010, 01:56:29 AM
As much as I like the Droid, I think the Nexus One is a better Android phone. Can't wait to try out an HTC Incredible, I hear it's even better than the Nexus One.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: RDaneel on May 12, 2010, 04:08:09 PM
Apple needs to get off the pot and give ATT the exclusive boot. You've gotta think that by now Apple's more than paid off the R&D on the phone.

That's the biggest impediment to the iPhone; with no multitasking a close second.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on May 12, 2010, 07:05:30 PM
Apple needs to get off the pot and give ATT the exclusive boot. You've gotta think that by now Apple's more than paid off the R&D on the phone.
Funny you should mention that...

NetworkWorld: "AT&T Maintains Its Grip on the iPhone Until 2012" (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/051110-att-maintains-its-grip-on.html)

"Looks like you can toss your Verizon iPhone dreams in the garbage for now, as AT&T -- the network with the lowest customer satisfaction rate and most dropped calls -- holds an exclusive on the iPhone until 2012. Apparently everything we thought about the contract's expiration was wrong.

Before the original iPhone launched in 2007, USA Today reported that Apple and AT&T has entered a five-year carrier exclusivity agreement. That report was never verified, though, and the terms of the agreement between Apple and AT&T have long been the subject of debate. Until this week, that is, when Engadget poured through documents and found that, in 2008, a class-action lawsuit alleging monopoly was filed against Apple. Apple's response confirmed the five-year deal: "[T]here was widespread disclosure of [AT&T's] five-year exclusivity and no suggestion by Apple or anyone else that iPhones would become unlocked after two years."

Still, as Engadget notes, it is possible that the terms of the contract have changed since 2007 or 2008. "Contracts can be canceled, amended, and breached in many ways, and AT&T's spotty recent service history plus the explosion of the iPhone and the mobile market in general have given Apple any number of reasons to revisit the deal," Engadget says.

It's also quite possible that the launch of the iPad may have brought Apple and AT&T back together, for an even longer stay. When the iPad was released, Apple once again shook hands with AT&T's troublesome network to offer its no-contract-required $30 per month 3G data plan on the iPad. It's possible that during the iPad chats, Apple and AT&T renegotiated the terms of their contract, which was on death row and set to be zapped, according to analysts. Then again, there's a chance Apple and AT&T might've renegotiated to end the contract sooner rather than later -- nobody knows for certain...."
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 08, 2010, 08:33:54 AM
So the iPhone 4 has been revealed at WWDC. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 08, 2010, 08:47:08 AM
Oh man:

SFGate: "Data congestion thwarts Steve Jobs' iPhone demo" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/06/07/financial/f115202D78.DTL)

AT&T = EPIC FAIL. For real.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: J25 on June 08, 2010, 06:55:12 PM
I'm no expert, but my understanding is that Jobs was trying to do the demonstration over a WIFI connection (local network), not the 3G cellular data connection (AT&T ).  I think the issue was that the wifi was overloaded because of insatiable demand from the audience (who would have thunk that people at an tech conference have devices that use wifi?)

I say: -2 to whoever decided not to set up a second private  network for the demo Iphone to run on.

-1 to At&t for still being behind the bandwith ball, so that Apple couldn't run the demo on the cellular network.

-1 to anyone streaming(narrowcast) radio or crap  on the cellular network that can be  Broadcast over am, fm ,xm whatever , it ties up the network, SF and NY are really slow from what I have seen on the internet.

Disclaimer: At&T does run some wifi hotspots, they are extra crappy with sprinkles of marketing bloat on top.  When I have tried to log on at interstate rest stops with AT&T wifi,  the  required self installing At&t software failed.   If the wifi  Steve Jobs/ Apple were using was actually an At&t wifi, that is another level of -1's

Rant over.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 09, 2010, 05:52:57 AM
If I recall, he started trying to use the AT&T 3G network, then switched to wi-fi, and the fail continued from there. At one point, he asked some staffer what he suggested should be done, and the dude shouted back "VERIZON!" :) Here's the video of the relevant portion (http://linkblur.com/?http://gizmodo.com/5557458/watch-the-steve-jobs-keynote-meltdown) of the keynote.

NetworkWorld: "First (official) look: Apple's new iPhone 4" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.networkworld.com/slideshows/2010/060710-iphone-4.html)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Q_BE on June 09, 2010, 07:21:41 AM
What's the app store comparison now between the iPhone and Android?

If Android can load nearly as many apps as iPhone, then I'll buy into the Google monster.

Q-"Sooner rather than later, Google will own the world"-BE :o
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: J25 on June 09, 2010, 08:29:14 AM
Thanks Zookie..... Verizon... Thats priceless... I think I could hear his teeth gnashed together in response.

Quote
Q-"Sooner rather than later, Google will own the world"-BE Shocked
.... that is the part that scares me, its a love/ hate relationship.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: RDaneel on June 14, 2010, 05:48:25 PM
I got a text message from ATT that I "qualify" for an upgrade to the new iPhone for "only $18". What they won't answer, however, is if I upgrade do I still qualify for the old data rate or am I relegated to the "dumb@$$" group for giving up that feature.

Anyone got any current, reliable info on that?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 17, 2010, 09:32:48 AM
I got a text message from ATT that I "qualify" for an upgrade to the new iPhone for "only $18". What they won't answer, however, is if I upgrade do I still qualify for the old data rate or am I relegated to the "dumb@$$" group for giving up that feature.

Anyone got any current, reliable info on that?

You could try this (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/061510-apples-iphone-4-a-pre-order.html), I suppose:

"What's your upgrade eligibility?

If you grabbed an iPhone 3G at launch in 2008, then chances are your contract is up this year. (The same is true of some people who bought the iPhone 3GS at launch in 2009.) AT&T is offering all iPhone customers whose contracts expire in 2010 the chance to upgrade immediately to the iPhone 4 (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.pcworld.com/article/198185/apple_introduces_iphone_4.html) at subsidized rates with a new two-year contract. That means you can get the iPhone 4 for $199 (16GB) or $299 (32GB), even if your contract doesn't expire until December 2010.

If you're not sure when your contract expires you can check your upgrade eligibility on Apple's Web site (http://linkblur.com/?https://buyiphone.apple.com/WebObjects/IPACustomer.woa/wa/IPAToolAction/checkUpgradeEligibility).

Which data plan?

If you're a current iPhone customer, you can hold on to your unlimited data plan unless you choose to add certain new wireless services to your account such as AT&T's new tethering feature.

New iPhone owners are going to have to pick one of AT&T's new tiered data plans (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.pcworld.com/article/198803/lower_atandt_fees_a_boon_for_iphone_4_sales.html). You can choose between the $15-a-month plan, which offers 200MB of 3G data access or the $20-a-month plan, which offers 2GB of data. You can find more detailed information about AT&T's new data rates here (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.pcworld.com/article/197884/atandts_new_data_plans_the_backlash.html).

To figure out how much data they need, current iPhone users can log into their AT&T account online and check their usage. Another option is AT&T's Data Calculator (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.att.com/standalone/data-calculator/index.html), which lets you play around with usage rates to help you figure out how much data you use on a monthly or daily basis. The calculator takes you through a series of questions such as how many emails you send in a day and how many hours of music or video you plan on streaming. Then at the bottom, a red indicator approximates how much data you'll need.

As a rough guide, AT&T says 200MB is enough data to to send and receive 1,000 e-mails (no attachments) and 150 e-mails with attachments, view 400 Web pages, post 50 photos on social media sites, and watch 20 minutes of streaming video per month."
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Zorro on June 18, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
I just went through all these posts again and finally decided to respond.

I am a Tier 2 tech at T-Mobile and have to work with all the phones we sell.

Currently the most chats I get ( I am in Technical Care web chat now) are for the MyTouch, Cliq, Blackberry 9700, 8520, HTC HD2 and the Nexus 1.

Every now and I get a G1 or one of the older model Windows based phones and rarely a Sidekick.

Most of Androld based phones chats are for low memory errors. Freezing up, slow and so forth.

I myself have an old Blackberry 8100 that I upgraded myself with the 4.5 operating system software from RIM.

My point is that no matter what phone you prefer they ALL will have good and bad things happen.

Right now the HTC HD2 is one that has many flaws. It reminds me of how the G1 had problems as soon as it hit the market. Despite this, they still continue to run out of them at the stores.

I just bought a Cliq, because out of all of our phones we do not get that my calls or chats with it.

By the way here is a morph pointing to the right.

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 26, 2010, 06:35:26 AM
Thanks, Zorro! I'm not a great fan of the Cliq myself. I will probably either get an iPhone 3GS, jailbreak it and unlock it -- anything to get away from AT&T -- or just get a Nexus One. But I'm in no hurry.

Well, the latest bad news from the iPhone camp: seems if you hold the handset the wrong way, you will go from 5 bars to none (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9yl9mO3cQ). Here's a technical explanation (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/6/24/apple-iphone-4-antennas.html) for that phenomenon. Steve Jobs had a brilliant solution for this: "don't hold it that way." (http://linkblur.com/?http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way.ars) Or, spend another 39 bucks for a bumper that will make your $300 phone work the way you'd think you'd paid to make work. Hmmmmm.

Funny or Die: "iPhone 4, the Deleted Scenes" (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dafe6d6167/iphone-4-the-guys-who-didn-t-make-the-cut?rel=player)

"Hitler Reacts To iPhone 4 Reception Problems" (http://vimeo.com/12858526)

And here (http://gizmodo.com/5573179/the-semi+solutions-for-iphone-4-reception-problems-so-far)'s Gizmodo's collection of the best semi-solutions for this current problem. My solution: don't buy an iPhone 4.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: PregNut on June 28, 2010, 01:39:57 AM
I just saw my first iPhone 4 commercial, and nearly everyone in the commercial were holding the phone 'wrong.'
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 29, 2010, 06:37:28 AM
YouTube: "iPhone4 vs HTC Evo" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg)

"Are you happy? Your fucking stupidity has killed me! Now my goddamn cat is homeless! I'm no longer alive! I'm dead!"

"I need a white one!...Can you waive the activation fee?"
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on June 30, 2010, 10:08:30 PM
It's always interesting to see how much Apple is hosing you for.

Huffington Post: "Apple iPhone 4 Parts Cost $187.51, Analysts Say" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/29/apple-iphone-4-cost-18751_n_628955.html)

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Palomine on June 30, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
It's always interesting to see how much Apple is hosing you for.

Huffington Post: "Apple iPhone 4 Parts Cost $187.51, Analysts Say" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/29/apple-iphone-4-cost-18751_n_628955.html)



It's worth noting that research and development, design, manufacturing facitilies/contracts, marketing and support are all ALSO part of a manufacturer's costs... it's not simply parts.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 01, 2010, 06:28:07 AM
That is true, but when you consider that most Apple stuff is "designed in California" but made in suicide camps, er, I mean, overseas production facilities... :)

Meanwhile, although the Force is strong in this one, this is one time Steve Jobs can't pull that Jedi mind trick and expect us to fall for it:

Mashable: "Leaked Docs Show Apple Knows About iPhone 4's Flaws" (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/06/29/leaked-iphone-4-docs/)

"According to documents leaked to Boy Genius Report (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/29/leaked-apples-internal-iphone-4-antenna-troubleshooting-procedures/) today, AppleCare representatives are being given a strong company line to deliver to unhappy iPhone 4 owners who complain about reception issues.

Employees are told to say that the device's reception performance "is the best we have ever shipped" and that its critical antenna flaws (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/06/23/iphone-yellow-screen-tint/) are "a fact of life in the wireless world." They are told not to perform service on iPhones with these problems and instead to give customers a PR-driven recitative instead.

In a nutshell, Apple knows the phone has problems but will insist that users are simply "holding it wrong."

These statements are dead ringers for CEO Steve Jobs's own assertions (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-reception-response/) that the iPhone 4 antenna and reception issues do not, in fact, exist. "There is no reception issue," (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/06/28/steve-jobs-iphone-4-reception/) he told one user. But the very fact that this document exists suggests that Apple execs know there is indeed a widespread hardware flaw, even if they're **86** to address it publicly at this time.

Outside the reality distortion field, on the other hand, we and many others have been able to duplicate the issue being discussed: When held by its sides, which are composed of a metal antenna band, the phone's reception quality drops dramatically. iPhone owners in our newsroom have seen reception decrease from five to two bars simply from holding the phone with two points of contact between the owner’s hand and the antenna band.

One law firm is even preparing for a class-action lawsuit against Apple (http://linkblur.com/?http://mashable.com/2010/06/28/iphone-4-lawsuit/) and is soliciting iPhone 4 customers to contact them about reception issues...."
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Feral on July 01, 2010, 06:53:22 PM

It's worth noting that research and development, design, manufacturing facitilies/contracts, marketing and support are all ALSO part of a manufacturer's costs... it's not simply parts.


That is true. Most every car is about $2000 worth of steel, plastic, rubber and glass.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 01, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
I was wondering when this would happen.

Gizmodo: "First iPhone 4 Class Action Suit Filed Against Apple and AT&T" (http://gizmodo.com/5577010/first-iphone-4-class-action-suit-filed-against-apple-and-att)
Quote
The first iPhone 4 class action suit against Apple and AT&T has been filed today in the United States District Court for the District of Maryland. The lawsuit focus on the antenna design problems, making several claims:

• General Negligence (APPLE and AT&T)
• Defect in Design, Manufacture, and Assembly (APPLE)
• Breach of Express Warranty (APPLE)
• Breach of Implied Warranty for Merchantability (APPLE and AT&T)
• Breach of Implied Warranty of Fitness for a Particular Purpose (APPLE and AT&T)
• Deceptive Trade Practices (APPLE and AT&T)
• Intentional Misrepresentation (APPLE and AT&T)
• Negligent Misrepresentation (APPLE and AT&T)
• Fraud by Concealment (APPLE and AT&T)

Apple has been criticized by iPhone 4 users and media for the reception problems that seem to result from its faulty antenna design. While all cellphones experience a decrease in signal quality when you touch their antenna, the iPhone 4 design puts the antenna all around it, making difficult to avoid under natural handling of the phone. Cases started to appear in MacRumors.com and Gizmodo.com on June 23, one day before the official launch of the iPhone 4, from users who received their units earlier....

Go get 'em.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Feral on July 01, 2010, 07:47:08 PM
I guess I better grab one of the old 3GS before they get away then.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 13, 2010, 01:23:06 AM
Engadget: "Apple deleting mentions of Consumer Reports' iPhone 4 piece on forums, can't delete your thoughts" (http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/apple-deleting-mentions-of-consumer-reports-iphone-4-piece-on-f/)

This is absurd. JUST FIX THE DAMN ANTENNA PROBLEM and you wouldn't have to engage in this sort of 1984-style censorship.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Feral on July 13, 2010, 02:22:02 PM
Engadget: "Apple deleting mentions of Consumer Reports' iPhone 4 piece on forums, can't delete your thoughts" (http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/apple-deleting-mentions-of-consumer-reports-iphone-4-piece-on-f/)

This is absurd. JUST FIX THE DAMN ANTENNA PROBLEM and you wouldn't have to engage in this sort of 1984-style censorship.

Ha ha, that would be admitting there is a problem. And they are too pig-headed to do that. Toyota syndrome.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 15, 2010, 01:25:42 AM
...or "Pentium bug" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug) syndrome :)


NetworkWorld: "Microsoft exec mocks iPhone 4, dubs it Apple's Vista" (http://linkblur.com/?http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/071410-microsoft-exec-mocks-iphone-4.html)

Yeah, but with one big difference: people like the iPhone :)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 17, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
Well, well, well. Steve-o blinked. Sort of.

"You get a case! And you get a case! And you get a case! Everybody gets a case (http://mashable.com/2010/07/16/apple-free-iphone-4-cases/)!"

Pal comments: it's probably worth noting that the free case isn't some sort of bribe to iPhone4 owners to compensate them... the bumper covers the antenna and thus prevents it from being touched and interfering with reception, so it's a physical addition to avoid the problem. From everything I've heard/read (the media loves to jump on Apple) this kind of problem is NOT unique to the iPhone4 by any stretch of the imagination... many/most smartphones have such issues that affect reception/dropped calls. Testing shows that the iPhone4 drops only 1 more call out of 100 calls than did the iPhone3. In any case, Apple sold 3 million iPhone4s in a month despite this media frenzy... it's a good product (apparently, I don't own any iPhone or smartphone since I don't need one) albeit not a perfect one... but there's no such thing of course. ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: AgentDee on July 17, 2010, 04:20:12 PM
I just got my first 'smart phone' today the HTC Hero for Sprint, so far I am loving this phone, WAY better than any other phone i have had in the past it rocks!
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 19, 2010, 10:05:01 AM
Mashable: "Google Discontinues the Nexus One Android Phone" (http://mashable.com/2010/07/18/nexus-one-discontinued/)

"You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 19, 2010, 10:07:32 AM
"Taiwanese TV takes on Antenna-gate" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk), in their inimitable style :)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 19, 2010, 10:22:54 AM
Quote
Palomine: ...From everything I've heard/read (the media loves to jump on Apple) this kind of problem is NOT unique to the iPhone4 by any stretch of the imagination... many/most smartphones have such issues that affect reception/dropped calls.
Oh yes, you are right -- but none of those other phone manufacturers made their new phone's antenna such an integral part of industrial design of their handset, nor did those other phone manufacturers try to palm off (pun unintended) their complaining customers by having the gall to try the old Jedi mindtrick on them ("those problems don't exist"), nor did those other phone manufacturers try to brush it all off by telling people to hold their phones differently!

The bottom line: Apple messed up, and if they'd only been open and honest and most importantly responsive earlier than this, we needn't have come to this pass. I'm happy that Apple has finally done the right thing though. Giving everyone a free bumper to act as a workaround for their phone's problem is the least they could have done.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: BelShanar on July 20, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
Well, to add to the furor surrounding the iPhone4, I returned mine to AT&T today.

Since I got the phone roughly 20 days ago I have loved the computer side of it, and the iPod side of it. It was phenomenal in that regard. Sounded great, images looked amazing, and it could do all sorts of things.

But the cell phone side was in my singular person's experience less than good. I am well aware that I both live in and work in an area that has less than ideal cell reception. But I need a phone that has good reception and signal abilities. The number of dropped calls was in a word unacceptable to me.

So, sadly I turned it back over to AT&T. I'm less than pleased I had to do this, but I wasn't about to spend the next two years dealing with that issue. Perhaps, in the future I will go and get another iPhone. But at this point in life, the iPhone4 is not for me.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 22, 2010, 06:08:24 AM
Even though I run in a very techie/gadget-freaky crowd, I have seen the iPhone 4 "in the wild" so to speak, only three times since the launch. I wanted to ask each person what their experiences were, but the chance never arose.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 04, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
The world's quickest and easiest iPhone jailbreak technique depends on a vulnerability in PDFs when viewed in Safari...works on practically all iPhones/iPads/iPod Touches -- even the vaunted iPhone 4...and is shown here (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/jailbreakme-unlocks-iphone-4-ipad-via-browser/).

And if you want to know how to both jailbreak and then unlock your iOS 4 device, go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5cvPyVGzgU).
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 07, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
The real reason to get an Android phone.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 11, 2010, 07:38:37 AM
YouTube: "Ninjas Unboxing the Nexus One" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ETSvTAo4A) :)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 16, 2010, 05:53:07 PM
I think this settles the matter for me.

Business Insider: "Bad News For Android Owners: iPhone Users Have More Sex" (http://www.businessinsider.com/bad-news-for-android-owners-iphone-users-have-more-sex-2010-8)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Q_BE on August 18, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
I think this settles the matter for me.

Business Insider: "Bad News For Android Owners: iPhone Users Have More Sex" (http://www.businessinsider.com/bad-news-for-android-owners-iphone-users-have-more-sex-2010-8)

(http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9979153.0;attach=176613;image)

But, dere's no pron allowed on dee Iphonys! NO PRON! NO PRON ALLOWED! :o

Q-"Silly Apple, porn is for adults with Macs too!"-BE

PS. @Zookie: You'll love this: Apple's 'Freedom From Porn' Enforcer Drawn To Porn Stars And Escorts On Twitter (http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-freedom-from-porn-enforcer-drawn-to-porn-stars-and-escorts-on-twitter-2010-8)

Bill Gates is laughing in his gold-encrusted office chair. ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: RandomX on August 18, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
I currently have an enV2 and love my physical QWERTY keyboard. I was going to buy a Droid2 this weekend, so Proof and I went over to Verizon so I could play around with it first. I have been dead set on getting a smart phone with a physical keyboard, I don't want a touch screen only phone.

Then I played with the HTC Incredible and it was love at first sight. I've never played with a touch screen phone before for more than a few seconds. I tried typing on it, it was so natural. I'd have to learn an entirely new product but I'm willing.

I asked around the internet and learned that most people with touch screens and physical keyboards rarely even use the keyboard, they got it for the same reasons I would (uncomfortable with pure touch screens).

I don't suppose anyone has an Incredible and can share their experiences? Also, I discovered Swype (http://www.swypeinc.com/) which looks fantastic. If you have the Incredible, do you know if it comes with that? I can't seem to find any info on it!
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 19, 2010, 06:41:43 AM
I don't have an Incredible -- I'm a Nexus One man and have been for about a fortnight now -- but IIRC Swype is available in the Android Market, meaning once you get your Incredible, you can download and install it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_bc3_8slDs) with no problems.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 22, 2010, 03:54:02 PM
TechCrunch: "AT&T Unconcerned About iPhone Defections" (http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/22/att-iphone-verizon/)

-- TheZookie "It's a TRAP!" 007
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on September 23, 2010, 03:18:01 AM
http://dilbert.com/fast/2010-09-21/
Title: 1/11/11: the Rise of the Verizon iPhone
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 12, 2011, 02:42:50 AM
And already AT&T are talking smack:

NetworkWorld: "AT&T exec says CDMA iPhone users won't like 'life in the slow lane'" (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/011011-att-trashes.html)

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Q_BE on January 12, 2011, 03:35:07 PM
And already AT&T are talking smack:

NetworkWorld: "AT&T exec says CDMA iPhone users won't like 'life in the slow lane'" (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/011011-att-trashes.html)

My current contract with Verizon is up, and my phone is reaching the "obsolete" aspect. I can't WAIT to get an iPhone 4! (If I can afford it). Plus, we Verizon customers get an extra week of ordering in advance (http://support.vzw.com/faqs/iphone/iphone_faq.html).

Q-"Chomping at the bit"-BE :D
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: AgentDee on January 12, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
still liking my Intercept 'android' phone I got from Virgin Mobile 2 months ago :).  does all I want and nothing I don't (I DO wish it had a flash for the camera but other than that its all good).
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Q_BE on January 12, 2011, 08:03:36 PM
Question: Is it better to buy the 16GB iPhone @ $199 with 2-year agreement, or to pony up the dough for the 32GB @ $299 with agreement?

Q-"At $300, it had better last me two or more years"-BE ::)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: BacE on January 12, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
Bought this one last month
http://www.motorola.com/consumers/XW-EN/MOTOROLA-DEFY-XW-EN.do?vgnextoid=417841c072c7a210VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD (http://www.motorola.com/consumers/XW-EN/MOTOROLA-DEFY-XW-EN.do?vgnextoid=417841c072c7a210VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD)
B"just love that it's water-proof"acE
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 17, 2011, 11:11:44 PM
Question: Is it better to buy the 16GB iPhone @ $199 with 2-year agreement, or to pony up the dough for the 32GB @ $299 with agreement?
Answer: Neither. Buy the AT&T version of the handset outright and get a month-to-month plan. (I say AT&T because it's a GSM phone and therefore you could just pop out the SIM and slam it into another GSM phone to use the handset on any other GSM network worldwide.)

Oh, and don't believe the hype, whether it's coming from AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon or Sprint, when it comes to this whole "4G network" crap:

Tech Sanity Check blog: "How AT&T and T-Mobile conjured 4G networks out of thin air" (http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=7361&tag=nl.e101)

LTE Blog: "3G Americas is now 4G Americas" (http://lteworld.org/blog/3g-americas-now-4g-americas)

The Consumerist: "CTRL-H Replace, Voila! AT&T's 3G Network Is Now 4G!" (http://consumerist.com/2011/01/att-crtl-h-replace-voila-3g-network-is-now-4g.html)

The fact is, in the United States (http://www.intomobile.com/2010/03/24/4g-in-america-lies-lies-and-more-damn-lies/), we don't have true 4G networks (http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/technology/4g_myth/index.htm) in place. Thus saith the International Telecommunications Union (http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/40.aspx) (ITU).
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Q_BE on January 18, 2011, 12:55:10 AM
Answer: Neither. Buy the AT&T version of the handset outright and get a month-to-month plan. (I say AT&T because it's a GSM phone and therefore you could just pop out the SIM and slam it into another GSM phone to use the handset on any other GSM network worldwide.)

Could you go into a little more depth here, dear Zookster? I'm curious as to why you would say this when your first article (Tech Sanity Check blog: "How AT&T and T-Mobile conjured 4G networks out of thin air" (http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=7361&tag=nl.e101)) states that Verizon actually has the fastest network currently in place that approaches legitimate 4G speeds. ???

Quote from: TheZookie007
The fact is, in the United States (http://www.intomobile.com/2010/03/24/4g-in-america-lies-lies-and-more-damn-lies/), we don't have true 4G networks (http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/technology/4g_myth/index.htm) in place. Thus saith the International Telecommunications Union (http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/40.aspx) (ITU).

Another unfortunate side-effect of the "Let's have the most outlandish claims" ad departments. :P

Q-"Still getting a Verizon iPhone: 16GB or 32GB?"-BE :P
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: gonZo on January 18, 2011, 04:04:27 AM
The iPhone 4 is just the 4th iPhone model; it's a 3G phone, and won't be able to run at 4G speeds even when Verizon and ATT get some semblance of 4G networks up. (As Zookie's links attest, any carrier who's currently able to even slightly exceed the 3G spec is claiming to have a 4G network, but they're not really near the full speed of the 4G specification.) The iPhone 5 for both types of cellular networks will most likely be released this summer, and it might be a 4G phone; can't know for sure until Apple rolls it out.

In response to your original question... I have a 32GB iPhone 3GS with about 64 apps, 600 longish songs, 5 or 6 books, no videos, and maybe 30 photographs on it, and it's using just under 16GB. If you're going to use the camera a lot -- especially to shoot video -- or if you're going to carry movies or tv shows around on your phone, or if you're going to put your entire iTunes library on it, you'll probably be glad to have the 32 gigs.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: PregNut on January 24, 2011, 01:27:54 AM
Glad to hear that Verizon will be offering the iPhone, but I think I'll wait before I switch back to give them some time to work out any bugs. Besides, I still have 6 months on my contract. :-\
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on January 26, 2011, 06:38:39 AM
I'm already with Verizon, but I'm waiting for the LTE iPhone.

July maybe? *shrug*
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on January 31, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
Well, for the first time ever, Android is now the number-one mobile operating system in the world (http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/5317897/258724163/144713/0/), beating out Symbian.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 01, 2011, 04:42:40 PM
Just got a 32gb iPhone 4 a few days ago. Typing this reply on it, in fact. Lovin' every minute of it!
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: AgentDee on February 01, 2011, 11:22:55 PM
yeah surfing the web from a 'smart phone ' is nice ;).

Agent "posted from his Intercept android" Dee
8)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 02, 2011, 10:56:23 AM
Congrats, jjjay! AT&T or Verizon?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 02, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
AT&T. My old phone broke, and I told them I was thinking
of switching. They gave me 100 bucks off to stay! 2year contract.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 02, 2011, 07:56:49 PM
I hope for your sake that the introduction of the Verizon iPhone takes some of the pressure off of the AT&T network so that you can use your new iPhone to its full potential though.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 03, 2011, 01:01:47 AM
So far, it hasn't been bad at all. I've been getting consistent, steady speed and reception. i got the free speedtest app, and my dl/ul is 3.05-3.15/1.0-1.1, which isn't bad for "3G". Granted, I only have had the phone a week tomorrow, and all those tests have been at work/home, but so far, I'm very happy with it! and the reception is worlds better than my ancient and archaic Erriccson. Although, if it gets even better, i won't complain! :)


Oh...........and Dee, yes it is nice! and WHO is that in your avatar?! she's HOT!  ;D
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: AgentDee on February 03, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
check your PM ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 09, 2011, 08:51:54 AM
i got the free speedtest app, and my dl/ul is 3.05-3.15/1.0-1.1, which isn't bad for "3G".
Just for the avoidance of confusion, what unit was that in? Kilobits per second (kbps), megabits per second (Mbps) or kilobytes per second (kB/s)?

I just ran Speedtest on my Android phone:

Download: 3443 kbps 3.36 Mbps 430.4 kB/s 
  Upload: 1315 kbps 1.28 Mbps 164.3 kB/s
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 09, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
Just for the avoidance of confusion, what unit was that in? Kilobits per second (kbps), megabits per second (Mbps) or kilobytes per second (kB/s)?

I just ran Speedtest on my Android phone:

Download: 3443 kbps 3.36 Mbps 430.4 kB/s 
  Upload: 1315 kbps 1.28 Mbps 164.3 kB/s


Sorry, I forgot to say! It's all in Mbps. I just ran it again right now, and got d/l 4.46, u/l 1.07, ping 209 ms. (Mbps). Seems I get better speed in the morning........
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 09, 2011, 12:17:34 PM
Oh, and I have the speedtest.net app, but I found the speedtest app. I was thinking to myself "we must not have the same app, but similar names, because his shows more information than mine." So, I checked, and sure enough there is a speedtest.net app, which is what I used my previous tests for, and speedtest app, which I just got.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: AgentDee on February 09, 2011, 07:55:33 PM
as soon as my tax return comes in I am swapping out my Samsung Intercept android for a LG Optimus V (both are from virgin mobile).  the main reason is the Optimus does not have the slide out keyboard (I HARDLY ever used it), it has Android 2.2 which supports things like Flash and I can save aps to the removable micro SD card (I have a 8 gig one that was in my old Rumor 2).  if anybody wants a decent android, let me know I will probably put it in the 'classifieds' in the future.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on February 10, 2011, 02:12:42 AM
Just for the avoidance of confusion, what unit was that in? Kilobits per second (kbps), megabits per second (Mbps) or kilobytes per second (kB/s)?

I just ran Speedtest on my Android phone:

Download: 3443 kbps 3.36 Mbps 430.4 kB/s 
  Upload: 1315 kbps 1.28 Mbps 164.3 kB/s


On my Droid X:

Download: 837 kbps
Upload: 756 kbps

Hang on, that's with Speedtest.net. Lemme go try find Speedtest.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MasterDragonfly on February 10, 2011, 02:17:17 AM
On my Droid X:

Download: 837 kbps
Upload: 756 kbps

Hang on, that's with Speedtest.net. Lemme go try find Speedtest.

Alrighty, with Speedtest:

Download: 739.3 Kbit/s
Max speed is: 807.6 Kbit/s

Upload: 751.0 Kbit/s
Max speed is: 910.7 Kbit/s

Still sucks.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 11, 2011, 05:10:47 PM
My figures came from using the SpeedTest.net Android app (http://androidandme.com/2009/11/applications/speedtest-net-launches-android-application/), I don't know if there's another one called just "Speed Test". Confusing, no?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: jjjay999 on February 11, 2011, 07:25:29 PM
My figures came from using the SpeedTest.net Android app (http://androidandme.com/2009/11/applications/speedtest-net-launches-android-application/), I don't know if there's another one called just "Speed Test". Confusing, no?

Umm.........yes! Confusing!
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 24, 2011, 10:35:19 PM
Cool visualization showing the speedy uptake of Android in the past year or so.

YouTube: "Global Android Activations, Oct '08 - Jan '11" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFpq9WXbJo)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Feral on February 25, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
Well I finally caught up to last year or two years ago. The wife got me a
3GS for v day. At 49 bucks it finally made sense to me. Although
She still has the old 3G model and is hoping the 5 will be out by the time her contract
Is up
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 25, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
Yes, just under fifty bucks makes sense. The 3GS was a solid phone. Pity about the two-year contract to AT&T though.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Trace on February 26, 2011, 08:31:46 PM
I can't go for an iPhone these days, not given that I'm in Greece, and the prices range up to 800 euros.

That said, when I got my 4th gen iPod touch last December, I was flabbergasted when Skype came out with video calling for iOS, and fell in love with the idea of a videophone that could fit in my shirt pocket.  And with rumblings that Skype may soon be offering the same for Android, I'm thinking that if I get a smart phone, it'll need to be a dual-camera jobbie with WiFi and GPS.

Anyone know of an Android unit in Europe that fits those criteria?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on March 03, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
Business Insider: "The 21 Malicious Apps Google Yanked From The Android Market" (http://www.businessinsider.com/malicious-android-apps-2011-3)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 21, 2015, 07:01:29 AM
Speaking of battles -- literally:

Gizmodo: "Fanboys Stab Each Other Over Android vs Apple"

The ever-heated battle over mobile ecosystems left two wounded fanboys today: In Tulsa, Oklahoma, two roommates were hospitalized after a **93** fight about the relative benefits of Android and Apple phones.

"When police arrived at the apartment complex, they learned that the roommates had been **94** and arguing over their mobile phones," KTUL Tulsa reports.

The report then includes the helpful addition that, "Police did not respond when our photographer asked which phone is better."

The roommates, Jiro Mendez and Elias Ecevo, have non life-threatening injuries from stabbing each other with broken beer bottles in this crime of OS-related passion. Police said they will be booked for assault with a deadly weapon once they are released from the hospital.

Police said a third man was reported to be have been **94** with the duo, but was gone by the time they arrived. Many questions linger (Tulsa police did not immediately respond to my request for comment), including: Was this evasive comrade a Windows Phone man?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Palomine on April 21, 2015, 03:13:54 PM
Speaking of battles -- literally:

...Police said a third man was reported to be have been **94** with the duo, but was gone by the time they arrived. Many questions linger (Tulsa police did not immediately respond to my request for comment), including: Was this evasive comrade a Windows Phone man?

No, if he was a Windows phone man, he'd have broken a beer bottle and stabbed himself, then sat down and just waited for the cops. I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that the third man was actually a Blackberry OS user... and he fled not out of wisdom, but rather due to embarrassment. ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on July 28, 2015, 09:38:27 AM
How appropriate that the OnePlus Two was launched in virtual reality because with that dumb invite system they have, getting your hands on one will be virtual too :) I'll add the launch video link once I vet it for anything verboten.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 08, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
Fuck Apple, straight to hell.

That is all.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: rtpoe on September 09, 2016, 02:53:28 AM
Because they forgot to put a headphone jack on their latest model?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 09, 2016, 05:55:53 AM
Because they forgot to put a headphone jack on their latest model?

Among other things, yes.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: gonZo on September 13, 2016, 10:02:11 PM
It looks as if Apple died with Steve Jobs. He was a visionary who surrounded himself with yes-men. Now the yes-men are running the company. Yes-men with no vision.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on September 16, 2016, 08:11:20 AM
It looks as if Apple died with Steve Jobs. He was a visionary who surrounded himself with yes-men. Now the yes-men are running the company. Yes-men with no vision.

Selfish, self-centered yes-men with no vision other than US dollar signs floating in front of their eyes and away to Ireland :)

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: gonZo on September 17, 2016, 05:41:13 PM
But at least iPhones don't generally explode.  ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: MaxBigfoot on September 18, 2016, 12:00:13 AM
But at least iPhones don't generally explode.  ;)

Well, SOMEBODY likes it...   ;)
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: rtpoe on September 18, 2016, 03:24:58 AM
Conan O'Brien and another problem with the AirPod:

(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/z_wImaGRkNY/mqdefault.jpg) (http://youtube.com/v/z_wImaGRkNY)

Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on August 21, 2017, 02:24:24 AM
So, tomorrow a transcontinental total solar eclipse (https://www.android.com/eclipse/#live) will be visible across the United States.

Tomorrow, the new version of Android will be launched too.

I think I have a guess as to what it will be called.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 02, 2017, 04:32:03 AM
So is anyone here willing to shell out US$1000+ for an iPhone X or a Samsung Note 8?
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: gonZo on October 02, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
iPhone X is supposed to be "the future of smartphones", but it has a screen with an obnoxious and gratuitous bite taken out of the top, and Apple had to introduce several hacky workarounds to the iOS user paradigm to make the X work without a home button. If Steve Jobs were alive at the product introduction, he'd have probably run onstage several times and cracked skulls with a space gray aircraft-grade aluminum baseball bat.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: TheZookie007 on October 04, 2017, 05:14:31 AM
Indeed. After that face detection fail by Craig Federighi (http://www.youtube.com/v/WQxRfbxFnnw&rel=0) during the demo, Jobs would have physically thrown him from the roof of the theatre now named after him. An utter disgrace.
Title: Re: The Battle of the Smartphones: iPhone vs. Android
Post by: Davidus Breckejn on November 08, 2017, 09:08:22 AM
Well for me, iPhone is the best. I own iPhone 8 Plus and I had Samsung before and iOS is much better and smoother experience.