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Title: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: superguppy on February 03, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
So my first post here may sound outlandish but. I've met a new partner and just found out she's got an obsession. So wants truly huge breasts she's currently a natural 36J. But wants much larger she wants to be in the 36O+ territory. I feel like I've hit the jackpot so what will be the next step.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Palomine on February 03, 2016, 07:43:54 PM
Just enjoy her every chance you get. :)

And if she's inclined to let you share a photo or two, no one here would object. ;)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: lucaxyz2 on February 03, 2016, 07:53:10 PM
Just enjoy her every chance you get. :)

And if she's inclined to let you share a photo or two, no one here would object. ;)
pal spoke words of wisdom! If she wants to be bustier let her be let her be!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: superguppy on February 03, 2016, 08:58:20 PM
shes is not currently awake i will ask her before i post up a picture of her.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Palomine on February 03, 2016, 08:59:46 PM
Of course... a gentleman always does. :)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Robin_K on February 03, 2016, 09:06:40 PM
And check the Forum index. We have a whole discussion area for Real World Breast Enlargement Options / Information
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: James Bond on February 05, 2016, 09:38:37 PM
So my first post here may sound outlandish but. I've met a new partner and just found out she's got an obsession. So wants truly huge breasts she's currently a natural 36J. But wants much larger she wants to be in the 36O+ territory. I feel like I've hit the jackpot so what will be the next step.

You are a real lucky man! ;)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on February 10, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
My advice...enjoy the ride. In my experience, once the implants and new-found stardom arrive...they enjoy it, TOO much. Just enjoy it while it lasts!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheBoobGuy on February 10, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Live the dream my friend.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Bearbacca on February 20, 2016, 12:41:48 AM
Any more updates on this? Very interested to hear more...
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on February 26, 2016, 02:38:31 PM
Sounds like a girl after my own heart! Is she thinking of using natural methods, or is she interested in implants?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Mr_Pickles on February 26, 2016, 06:01:23 PM
 :o This is a breast expansion enthusiasts dream. Damn man how did you get so lucky?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: awdbeast on March 06, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
I am sure I can't be the only one here that would like to see a pic.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on March 07, 2016, 12:54:23 AM
No updates from OP?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: BigJake on March 26, 2016, 12:03:06 PM
My girls is curently a 38M and wants to MUCH bigger -- but no implants!
She is looking for herbs, massages, inducing lactation etc.
Anyone having any advice?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: jayluvsbe on March 26, 2016, 06:51:57 PM
You lucky guys.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 28, 2016, 03:50:36 AM
My girls is curently a 38M and wants to MUCH bigger -- but no implants!
She is looking for herbs, massages, inducing lactation etc.
Anyone having any advice?

I've had a lot of luck with my herbal regiment, but herbs really vary depending on the person, their hormones, and what might trigger growth. I already had ongoing (slow) growth, and this likely plays a role since I'm more sensitive than most people. I just wanted to boost what was already happening naturally. I've had a lot of luck with custom tinctures brewed up by an herbalist friend of mine, after we did a lot of research! I took a saliva hormone test, and then kept a daily journal where I noted symptoms, measurements, things I ate... anything that might have affected growth. We also synced the herbs to my cycle. Feel free to send me a message. I don't want to bore the board with all the details of this experiment, but in working with my friend, I have gained a lot of insight into what various herbs do and what did not work at all for me (like Wild Yam... it's in almost every herbal mixture, but it caused me to stall).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on March 28, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
Oh....TRUST me...you aren't going to bore us at all!! Do tell what you've done.... :o
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 28, 2016, 10:10:15 PM
Oh....TRUST me...you aren't going to bore us at all!! Do tell what you've done.... :o

Well, this might be the only forum where folks won't call me crazy, lol, so I'll try! I was getting frustrated over a period of growth that has started with pregnancy, but seemed to be tapering off. I got stricken with boobie greed! I wanted to know if there was a way to find my growth triggers and naturally and gently annoy them to cause more growth.

I added herbs one by one, and in consultation with a herbalist, observing signs and symptoms and keeping a daily journal. I began to make changes based on the intensity of the symptoms and further research. While my tinctures are customized to my needs (so I'm less sure about the doses), these are the key players:



There are other items in the tinctures that are more specific to my unique situation, but the ones above are the big helpers. Here are some that did NOT work:


Long story short, avoid those "off the shelf" combination pills. Invest in a hormone test to see where things are. Journal and take good notes. Keep what works and toss what doesn't. This can take time, but it's worth it! Also, be very careful of interactions with any other medications and the herbs. Just because they're from nature, it does not mean they're safe for everyone. Also, invest in high quality, organic/non-GMO herbs. You don't want to put sketchy stuff into your body and there have been studies showing how cheap herbs tend to have fillers or are otherwise less potent compared to the promised dose.  :P

...and the growth is happening! I even went through my cycle and detox week and kept the majority of the growth. My starting measurement was 44.8". The biggest measurement with premenstrual swelling was 45.8"  :o, but that shrank to 45.4" afterward (still a gain!). I'm now measuring 45.6" (a solid i cup).  :)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: moobs on March 30, 2016, 06:27:00 AM
So what is your daily herbal "ritual" like? How much of each herb do you consume a day? Do you eat the herbs raw? Use oils and extracts to massage on your breasts? Or do you ground them up and make a tea out of them to drink?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on March 30, 2016, 10:57:21 AM
Well, this might be the only forum where folks won't call me crazy
You're definitely very sane.  If I were a woman I would want to try the same thing.

I got stricken with boobie greed!
A very beautiful and normal thing to have.  Beshine has talked about having boobie greed a lot.

I'm now measuring 45.6" (a solid i cup).  :)
Your solid I-cup is giving us solid boners.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on March 30, 2016, 01:43:19 PM
I'm now measuring 45.6" (a solid i cup).  :)
Pics or it never happened!!  ;D

See, I told you your information would be interesting here! You just opened a can of worms with all that information! Even though it's specific to your growth...there are always questions on this forum about what works. Usually, nobody follows up with what they experienced while trying natural growth. Does your skin smell like Molasses while taking the Fenugreek? My ex experienced that...it was the main reason she quit taking it.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 30, 2016, 02:57:50 PM
Does your skin smell like Molasses while taking the Fenugreek? My ex experienced that...it was the main reason she quit taking it.

I actually like the smell. It's like maple syrup, only sweeter, though I only really smell it when I sweat and even then, it's not that strong. I've read that shatavari can have similar effects, but without the smell. I have not yet tried it, but from what I've researched, a 50% saponin extract works best. If I ever get the sense that the fenugreek is no longer working, I might give it a try.

As for pics, I'll consider sharing some-- I've done so in chat once or twice. I've been collecting some images wearing the same outfit and I'd like to make an animated .gif eventually, just for fun.  ;)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 30, 2016, 03:08:00 PM
So what is your daily herbal "ritual" like? How much of each herb do you consume a day? Do you eat the herbs raw? Use oils and extracts to massage on your breasts? Or do you ground them up and make a tea out of them to drink?

Some of this is hard to quantify because I'm using some custom tinctures. I'll do my best to sketch it out.

Before breakfast-- 1220mg fenugreek
After breakfast-- 30-35 drops goat's rue tincture, 1300mg Evening primrose capsule, multivitamin, quick application of cocoa butter with vitamin e for skin elasticity
mid morning: 70-75 drops of tincture (custom blend- has more fenugreek and other herbs)
Before lunch: 1220mg fenugreek, evening primrose
Mid afternoon: another 70-75 drops of the tincture
Before dinner: 1220mg fenugreek, evening primrose
Before bed: another 70-75 drops of the tincture, quick application of cocoa butter with vitamin e for skin elasticity

Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on March 30, 2016, 05:27:21 PM
That is some SERIOUS dedication! I'm very impressed with your daily concoctions!!!

The possible gif you mentioned, wearing the same outfit, is EXACTLY the stuff dreams are made of!! That would be awesome if you posted up a progress type gif like that!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 30, 2016, 05:44:38 PM
That is some SERIOUS dedication! I'm very impressed with your daily concoctions!!!

The possible gif you mentioned, wearing the same outfit, is EXACTLY the stuff dreams are made of!! That would be awesome if you posted up a progress type gif like that!

It takes dedication! Of course, I'll restate my disclaimer... I had a period of growth that lasted quite a few years (prolonged postnatal macromastia), so I'm likely more sensitive to this stuff than others. I think it also helps if you're starting at a larger size. User BustyBride from the Breast Nexus forums is one good example. Her measurements went from 42" to 45.5" before she stopped since she started getting a bit of a belly (likely, she had too much estrogen, which is why testing is important. Saliva tests can be found online, and while they are a bit pricey, the cost is still cheaper than implants  ;) !).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on March 30, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Well....I for one say...YOU need your own thread!!  ;D You've got a ton of info in the last few responses! And if you're adding a Gif or pics sometime too?? Whew! I see the potential for a ton of questions coming your way VERY soon!!  ;)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 30, 2016, 08:32:35 PM
Well....I for one say...YOU need your own thread!!  ;D You've got a ton of info in the last few responses! And if you're adding a Gif or pics sometime too?? Whew! I see the potential for a ton of questions coming your way VERY soon!!  ;)

LOL, I didn't mean to hijack this thread  ;). I'm more than happy to answer questions as best as I can. Bring 'em on!  ;D
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: moobs on March 31, 2016, 04:32:39 AM

LOL, I didn't mean to hijack this thread  ;). I'm more than happy to answer questions as best as I can. Bring 'em on!  ;D

OK, is far more effective to ingest the herbs or directing applying them and absorbed by the skin?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on March 31, 2016, 10:34:43 AM
the Breast Nexus forums
Well I was wondering if you had checked out that forum, and I shouldn't be surprised you're already on top of it.

The other one I used to read a lot was BE Board (http://beboard.proboards.com/).  Though activity has slowed down there, it is a good archive of experimentation.

One side note: I like hearing how hormone experiments can alter a woman's libido.  I remember one time when actress Jenny McCarthy said she used too much progesterone cream and it temporarily made her "horny as a devil" because she had been in a fog of too much estrogen.  During that hormonal shift, she wanted to hump anything that was moving, or even stationary objects like couches or pillows!   :-*
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on March 31, 2016, 02:01:58 PM

OK, is far more effective to ingest the herbs or directing applying them and absorbed by the skin?

It depends on the action of the herbs. For example, something like Goat's Rue acts directly on the pituitary gland, so rubbing it on the skin will not do much. On the other hand, if someone has a progesterone deficiency, they make creams that work, but they need to be applied to specific areas to be most effective. Fenugreek can work in both ways, but is most effective taken orally (at least in my case).

The topicals I use vary depending on what I have on hand. I use flaxseed oil every now and then because I know it has worked for others. I also use a lot of cocoa butter with vitamin E to help minimize stretch marks and improve elasticity. Finally, I have experimented with creams that have volufiline, an ingredient that helps to plump the subcutaneous fat. They worked, but they're hard to find with the right concentration (5% volufiline works best).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on April 02, 2016, 01:01:46 PM
The topicals I use vary depending on what I have on hand. I use flaxseed oil every now and then because I know it has worked for others. I also use a lot of cocoa butter with vitamin E to help minimize stretch marks and improve elasticity. Finally, I have experimented with creams that have volufiline, an ingredient that helps to plump the subcutaneous fat. They worked, but they're hard to find with the right concentration (5% volufiline works best).
Your diligence with studying all of this alchemy is very commendable!  I think a lot of people want to learn more about this, but after trying to read a few published medical journals on hormones, receptors, up-regulation, down-regulation, plant-based hormones, signaling pathways, gondadotropins and feedback loops, their eyes start to glaze over and they just say "I give up!"

Surprisingly, even endocrinologists don't know a lot about this stuff.  They are so busy treating thyroid patients, diabetics, hypertensives and bone disease that they don't really delve into breast tissue.  If asked, they will provide only a lame generalization such as "it's important to maintain proper diet and exercise to restore the normal balance of hormones in the body."  Yeah doc, okay, whatever - but how does titty meat grow, dammit???!!  Turns out they don't know.

I am attaching one of the few articles relevant to the matter, called Breast size in relation to endogenous hormone levels.  If you can get through the whole thing and half-way understand it, you're doing better than I am!
Title: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 02, 2016, 01:51:12 PM
I am attaching one of the few articles relevant to the matter, called Breast size in relation to endogenous hormone levels.  If you can get through the whole thing and half-way understand it, you're doing better than I am!

Thanks for sharing!!!

This article shows why it's critical to be in touch with one's cycles if you want NBE to work. The critical days 5-10 and 18-23 mentioned in the article showed the most growth among those on the pill. For those of us who are not on the pill, these are times we want to exploit! These peak days do change, depending on the length of one's cycle, however! The key to learning the cycle is to take your temperature using a basal body thermometer every morning at the same time and chart these shifts, at least to collect some baseline data. There are programs and apps that are out there that will use predictive analytics over time to give a good sense of when ovulation will hit.

Let's look at some of the article's findings:

"One was that IGF-1 was the strongest determinant of breast size during the follicular phase among never and former users of oral contraceptives." I am having fine results as is, but if I ever had any issues with this, I'd take the supplement L-arginine to help.

"Prolactin levels were also associated with larger breast sizes among non- users in the follicular phase." Goat's rue has a direct, though gentle, effect on prolactin levels.

"During the luteal phase, women with high 17B-estradiol and progesterone levels had larger breast sizes." Licorice root (which I just added to my program with excellent results), can help raise B-estroidiol.

"Higher testosterone levels in the luteal phase were related to smaller breast sizes, and this is in line with androgens' suppressing mammary growth." Hence the importance of an anti-androgen/pro-aromatase like peony.


The unfortunate side of things is that there will be some shrinkage once the cycle ends. In my case, last cycle, I lost about .5", but I had a net gain of .6" despite that loss. So far in this cycle, I have already exceeded my peak measurement from last cycle by 3/8th of an inch and that measurement was taken a couple days ago (day 18 of the cycle).
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: bignatslover on April 02, 2016, 02:38:24 PM
Let's look at some of the article's findings
Great summary there!  As I figured, your understanding of these things is better than most people's, and you also have a gift of distilling verbose wording into something succinct and quotable (you'd do great working in media!).

So far in this cycle, I have ...
Yep, it's true that nobody else pays much attention to the four phases (follicular phase, ovulation phase, luteal phase and red tide time!).  I suspect partly because we live in a world of oversimplification, and timing hormonal application to phases is at odds with reductionist thinking.  But I think you're on to something.

By the way, if your periods are consistent month-to-month, consider yourself very blessed.  According to the University of California, 30% of women today do not have regular periods, if they even have them at all.

One other random thought - if you ever changed your mind about lactating, that can be a real fast track to booby growth.  I have heard of some women who - having never been pregnant - tried the prescription drugs Metoclopramide (Reglan), Domperidone (Motilium), or Sulpiride (Eglonyl, Dolmatil, Sulpitil, Sulparex, Equemote) and their breasts responded with very significant growth.  Some models like Kristina Milan respond enthusiastically to prolactin - the last two times she had a kid, her breasts looked like they doubled in size.   :o
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 02, 2016, 06:05:29 PM
By the way, if your periods are consistent month-to-month, consider yourself very blessed.  According to the University of California, 30% of women today do not have regular periods, if they even have them at all.

Mine are not quite regular either. That's why I started charting using an app (there are a few good ones). The more data it gets, the more accurately it can predict things. I know this helps since those days listed in the article are ideals. They're easier to pinpoint with tracking.

One other random thought - if you ever changed your mind about lactating, that can be a real fast track to booby growth.  Some models like Kristina Milan respond enthusiastically to prolactin - the last two times she had a kid, her breasts looked like they doubled in size.   

There's another model, Maximoom who advocates lactation. I would rather not go there since I saw friends lose just about everything after their kids stopped feeding. Maintaining it could also pose issues. I'd hate to be constantly pumping or leaking... my job takes too much time to worry about such things  :P. That being said, I've been taking Goat's Rue to stimulate prolactin... albeit gently. I have heard of women re-lactating by taking too much. Also, high doses can become toxic, especially when used long term. I see the fairly small dose I take as a kind of added boost that works in harmony with the other supplements.
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: bignatslover on April 02, 2016, 09:42:58 PM
Mine are not quite regular either. That's why I started charting using an app (there are a few good ones). The more data it gets, the more accurately it can predict things.
I loved reading this part.  With determination and calculation, problems in life can be tamed.  I am reminded of Matt Damon's line in THE MARTIAN when, upon realizing the incredible odds he faced, he stated, "I'm gonna have to science the shit out of this."

lactation. I would rather not go there since I saw friends lose just about everything after their kids stopped feeding.
Good point.  Given the possibility of post lactation shrinkage, I shall perish the thought of milk factory promotion!

I definitely hope you keep us abreast (pardon the pun) of all of your work.  I think it is great!
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 03, 2016, 01:27:38 AM
"I'm gonna have to science the shit out of this."
I definitely hope you keep us abreast (pardon the pun) of all of your work.  I think it is great!

I love that quote... might have to add it to my profile along with some pics. I am apparently animated .gif deficient as I could get it to work on one site, but not elsewhere. 

I will keep everyone informed. Been having an especially intense few days... hoping it's a growth spurt in progress  ;).
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 09, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
Thought I'd share a quick update. Things have been rolling along quite well. Made some adjustments to doses this cycle that I think had a big effect. As I mentioned earlier, we've been experimenting with licorice root extract. This is both a potent anti-androgen (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19515171 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19515171)), and can affect estradiol levels (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00216-011-5061-9 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00216-011-5061-9)). It needs to be used with caution, however. It's recommended to use it for no more than 7 days in a row without a break because it can raise blood pressure. 

A new cycle started today. Now the hard part begins... waiting for the "red tide" to cease so I can see how much I truly gained. There is always some degree of "false" growth due to normal cyclic swelling, so I don't measure until day 6. I hate the anticipation, but I'm hoping for the best!
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: bignatslover on April 10, 2016, 10:52:16 AM
Thought I'd share a quick update. Things have been rolling along quite well. Made some adjustments to doses this cycle that I think had a big effect. As I mentioned earlier, we've been experimenting with licorice root extract. This is both a potent anti-androgen (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19515171 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19515171)), and can affect estradiol levels (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00216-011-5061-9 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00216-011-5061-9)). It needs to be used with caution, however. It's recommended to use it for no more than 7 days in a row without a break because it can raise blood pressure. 

A new cycle started today. Now the hard part begins... waiting for the "red tide" to cease so I can see how much I truly gained. There is always some degree of "false" growth due to normal cyclic swelling, so I don't measure until day 6. I hate the anticipation, but I'm hoping for the best!
Heya!  Good stuff there.  Thanks for the update.  As for licorice, I read that the blood pressure effect is entirely due to increased renal sodium retention, so as long as you've got enough incoming potassium (baked potatoes, yogurt, avocados, bananas, strawberries or any citrus fruit all provide more than any supplements, due to the FDA's weird limit on potassium supplements having a forced ceiling of 99mg), you may be able to give it two weeks straight, unless you are hypertensive to begin with. 

*waves to the red tide* Hi there, Aunt Flo!  As much as we're grateful for your visit, it's probably time to go!   8)

Yes I hope you are rewarded for all of your effort, and once you're in the next phase (follicular) you notice mighty booby size gains, and when you get up out of bed in the morning, they feel like heavy watermelons slamming against your rib cage.  Ain't nothing hotter!!

Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 11, 2016, 08:44:18 PM
Heya!  Good stuff there.  Thanks for the update.  As for licorice, I read that the blood pressure effect is entirely due to increased renal sodium retention, so as long as you've got enough incoming potassium (baked potatoes, yogurt, avocados, bananas, strawberries or any citrus fruit all provide more than any supplements, due to the FDA's weird limit on potassium supplements having a forced ceiling of 99mg), you may be able to give it two weeks straight, unless you are hypertensive to begin with. 

Good point. I'm playing to safe now, just to see how I adapt to it. I take it for three days on and then two days off. If there's no ill effects going forward, I'll change it up.

Yes I hope you are rewarded for all of your effort, and once you're in the next phase (follicular) you notice mighty booby size gains, and when you get up out of bed in the morning, they feel like heavy watermelons slamming against your rib cage.  Ain't nothing hotter!!

I happen to agree  ;)... at this stage, they're not close to watermelon size, but I am noticing their weight a lot more than I used to, which is surprisingly enjoyable.

For the sake of curiosity, I broke my rule about measuring... it's cycle day 3, and my measurements continue to climb. They're up 0.3" from the last time I measured  :o. Again, I get a more accurate sense of where things are around day 5 or 6 of the cycle. Almost there.... I'm dying to see where things end up and will share more details.
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: bignatslover on April 12, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
That's fantastic news.  .3" per month = 3.6" over 12 months.  3.6" of pure new bustline is the dream of every man for his lady!!!!

Oh, if only Mark Eden were still around, he'd be jealous of your knowledge.
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: Growing_girls on April 12, 2016, 02:22:55 PM
That's fantastic news.  .3" per month = 3.6" over 12 months.  3.6" of pure new bustline is the dream of every man for his lady!!!!

I think I might have been unclear! I measured about 5-7 days prior, so this .3" would be new growth in a much shorter span of time. I have to insert my usual disclaimer here. I already had a degree of hypertrophy/ongoing growth so I'm not a normal case. I'm adding gasoline to what was a rather slow burning fire.  8)
Title: Re: cycles and growth
Post by: bignatslover on April 13, 2016, 10:02:17 AM
I measured about 5-7 days prior, so this .3" would be new growth in a much shorter span of time. I have to insert my usual disclaimer here. I already had a degree of hypertrophy/ongoing growth so I'm not a normal case. I'm adding gasoline to what was a rather slow burning fire.  8)
Well I am impressed, and I think the gasoline is 100 octane racing fuel!   8)

I think the best part is how disciplined you have been in this.  Diligent note-taking and plan-following will make it happen, as long as your body continues to cooperate. I think more women wish they could experiment the way you are, but they don't have (a) the determination, (b) the resources, (c) the cooperating body and (d) your attention to detail.

I would imagine your cooking style to very precise as well.  Whereas someone would tell you "Oh I just grabbed a small handful of flour and a half-splash of vanilla", you would say "Wait, I think it would be better here if you stated it as 3.44 ounces of flour and 1/2 teaspoon of vanilla extract, which if you are using metric would be 97.52 grams of flour and 2.46 milliliters of vanilla extract."   :)

Keep on keepin' on!!!
Title: some results
Post by: Growing_girls on April 13, 2016, 03:02:01 PM
I would imagine your cooking style to very precise as well.  Whereas someone would tell you "Oh I just grabbed a small handful of flour and a half-splash of vanilla", you would say "Wait, I think it would be better here if you stated it as 3.44 ounces of flour and 1/2 teaspoon of vanilla extract, which if you are using metric would be 97.52 grams of flour and 2.46 milliliters of vanilla extract." 

Yes... that is exactly true! I'm sure I'd be diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder, but in my line of work, this attention to detail is seen as an asset  8).

I decided to measure today now that the "red tide" has ceased. I might see a bit more shrinkage, but I doubt it will be anything statistically significant.

For the curious, here's where things are. For the record, I measure throughout the cycle, and only record the difference between my starting measurement and the day 5/6 measurement when they're past any "time of the month" swelling. In my first cycle doing the experiment, I gained .6". This past cycle, it looks like I gained .8". Not as huge a jump as I would have expected given the aches and pains I had, but every bit counts  ;). That makes a net gain of 1.4 inches so far. I can't complain!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 16, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
That is truly great news. After all, every inch counts.
Title: Re: some results
Post by: bignatslover on April 16, 2016, 12:12:55 PM
I can't complain!
We definitely aren't!

One time Richard Gere asked everyone on national TV to send their thoughts and vibes towards Tibet.  I think instead we should turn those thoughts and vibes towards your growing chest.  If the power of positive thinking is any part of this formula, we want to be your devotees.
Title: Re: some results
Post by: Growing_girls on April 16, 2016, 11:05:44 PM
I can't complain!
We definitely aren't!

One time Richard Gere asked everyone on national TV to send their thoughts and vibes towards Tibet.  I think instead we should turn those thoughts and vibes towards your growing chest.  If the power of positive thinking is any part of this formula, we want to be your devotees.

Please do, LOL! I believe in the power of positive thinking  :D.

I did have to cease all herbs for a bit since I was getting some really bad stomach cramps. I did a quick detox then we added things back one by one. We had to make some adjustments since it looked like a sensitivity to the licorice. We'll use that as a power herb to hit specific parts of the cycle and use fennel on the off days since I have it on hand. Even after a few days off from everything, I did not lose anything. I even gained a bit, though the gains were slower than when I'm on the supplements. Very good sign indeed!
Title: Re: some results
Post by: bignatslover on April 17, 2016, 12:08:11 PM
sensitivity to the licorice. We'll use that as a power herb to hit specific parts of the cycle and use fennel on the off days since I have it on hand. Even after a few days off from everything, I did not lose anything.
Sorry the licorice didn't work out the way you initially planned.  But knowledge is power!  And YAY for your growth and not losing anything!
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Title: Re: some results
Post by: bignatslover on April 19, 2016, 03:37:31 PM
use fennel on the off days since I have it on hand.
Heya!  How's the fennel this week? 
Title: Re: some results
Post by: Growing_girls on April 19, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
use fennel on the off days since I have it on hand.
Heya!  How's the fennel this week?

It's certainly not as powerful  :P. I could feel some tingling and soreness, but nothing as epic as before. I was using it in tea form, so that might have made a difference. Tinctures tend to be stronger in general.

I've been slowly staggering the herbs back and am almost back to where I was. I have not had any negative responses so far, even when I take the licorice. I'm now wondering if my illness might have been from a stomach bug, or perhaps just too much of the licorice. I'm staggering the doses in a slightly different way with no ill effects thus far.

The other possibility was that I went against my herbalist's advice and did not take any break. Usually, I'll stop all supplements during my period, but this month, I was so hooked on the growth that I just lowered the doses. I think that 4-6 day break is needed. I likely overwhelmed my system and set myself back for this month's overall gains as a result.

The herbs are helping though. While off the herbs, it took at least 4 days to see a measurable gain of about 1/8th an inch. Over the last two days, I've already gained close to 1/8th an inch while taking most of my doses. Some of this has to do with where I am in my cycle and the hormone levels, but I'll be curious what happens when I'm back up to 100%. I likely won't gain the .8" like last month, but every bit counts and I learned some valuable lessons so far that will only help things along in the months ahead.
Title: Re: some results
Post by: Growing_girls on April 21, 2016, 04:27:50 PM
The other possibility was that I went against my herbalist's advice and did not take any break. Usually, I'll stop all supplements during my period, but this month, I was so hooked on the growth that I just lowered the doses. I think that 4-6 day break is needed. I likely overwhelmed my system and set myself back for this month's overall gains as a result.


....or in my case, something else was wrong. I finally was able to get results from some blood work. It appears I'll have to pause my project for a while since my thyroid is not working as it should. To be clear, the doctor does not think that any of my herbs caused this. Indeed, one supplement (the primrose oil) can actually help. Instead, she looked at my history of feeling chronic fatigue and other issues that have been going on for a long time. Prior blood tests did not show anything, but she ordered a more specific panel and the issue popped up. I'll be okay, but some of the herbs I've been taking are counter indicated for thyroid issues, especially fenugreek.

As depressed as I am to get this news, I am glad that the herbs did show promise. I may be headed back to the research table eventually, but for now, I have to be happy with what I have and focus on getting my system back into equilibrium.  :-\
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: solvegas on April 22, 2016, 03:00:23 AM
The other possibility was that I went against my herbalist's advice and did not take any break. Usually, I'll stop all supplements during my period, but this month, I was so hooked on the growth that I just lowered the doses. I think that 4-6 day break is needed. I likely overwhelmed my system and set myself back for this month's overall gains as a result.


....or in my case, something else was wrong. I finally was able to get results from some blood work. It appears I'll have to pause my project for a while since my thyroid is not working as it should. To be clear, the doctor does not think that any of my herbs caused this. Indeed, one supplement (the primrose oil) can actually help. Instead, she looked at my history of feeling chronic fatigue and other issues that have been going on for a long time. Prior blood tests did not show anything, but she ordered a more specific panel and the issue popped up. I'll be okay, but some of the herbs I've been taking are counter indicated for thyroid issues, especially fenugreek.

As depressed as I am to get this news, I am glad that the herbs did show promise. I may be headed back to the research table eventually, but for now, I have to be happy with what I have and focus on getting my system back into equilibrium.  :-\


My thyroid is useless and just sits there in my throat. Per se alone, it is not difficult to live with it, I just pop 150 mg pill every night of Levoxyl and I'm OK. Unfortunately, when one endocrine gland is messed up, it sends bad chemical signs to the others and that can make you ill. I have to not only check my blood sugar at least four times a day ( Type 2 diabetes ) but I have to have blood work done to make sure my endocrine system is OK. Mine lately has been good lately but I can't skip taking medications or be too neglectful for long.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on April 23, 2016, 11:34:44 AM
I'll have to pause my project for a while since my thyroid is not working as it should. To be clear, the doctor does not think that any of my herbs caused this.
Hi, thanks for the update.  Well, few things in life move in a directly successful upward path.  This has been doubly true whenever I venture into the stock market.   ;D  I think you have learned so much in so little time, that even if you took a year off you would still be able to re-enter the game and progress faster and further than others have achieved.  We are all hoping for a speedy recovery for you and also the sense of refreshment and restoration that your body needs.

My thyroid is useless and just sits there in my throat.
Haha, that is a great description.  Hopefully it is still in the "hypo" classification and hasn't entirely crossed into the "necro" classification just yet!   ;)

Keep your herbs fresh until the adventure resumes!!!
Title: Re: some results
Post by: TheZookie007 on April 28, 2016, 01:47:24 AM

The herbs are helping though. While off the herbs, it took at least 4 days to see a measurable gain of about 1/8th an inch. Over the last two days, I've already gained close to 1/8th an inch while taking most of my doses. Some of this has to do with where I am in my cycle and the hormone levels, but I'll be curious what happens when I'm back up to 100%. I likely won't gain the .8" like last month, but every bit counts and I learned some valuable lessons so far that will only help things along in the months ahead.

0.125 inches in two days would mean an inch in 16 days. That's amazing.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on August 21, 2016, 12:05:36 AM
I'll have to pause my project for a while since my thyroid is not working as it should. To be clear, the doctor does not think that any of my herbs caused this.
Hi, thanks for the update.  Well, few things in life move in a directly successful upward path.  This has been doubly true whenever I venture into the stock market.   ;D  I think you have learned so much in so little time, that even if you took a year off you would still be able to re-enter the game and progress faster and further than others have achieved. 

Well, I'm back! I have been off everything since I last posted, and I have got my issues all sorted out. I was in a state of overall adrenal fatigue due to stress over losing my job. I did wind up getting laid off during the very last round, but have found enough freelance work to be fine. With all that stress gone, it's amazing how different I feel.

I am pleased to report that, despite losing around 10 pounds due to all the craziness, I maintained just about everything I originally gained. I was pretty static through the rest of April and May, gaining maybe 1/16th an inch post-cycle... hardly noticeable, but still positive. I began to exercise and lost some weight in June. This caused my measurement to drop a tiny bit, but I was still coming out ahead. That's how the rest of the summer went-- mostly tiny bots of growth, but it added up. I'm not much bigger than when I stopped back in April, but any gain is a good gain.

Here's the kicker... all those herbs were actually helping in more ways than one. My cycles finally got regular when I was on them, and once I got off, things got crazy. So, my doctor (an integrative physician who does not dismiss natural medicine) is actually recommending I start again since they were helping me. I'll just use more conservative doses just to be on the safe side.  I'm excited to continue my quest!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on August 21, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
Well, I'm back!
OMG, YES!!!!!
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stress over losing my job.
Ooooooh, that is the worst.  I got downsized once and I'm still not sure I'm over it.  I feel.

any gain is a good gain.
Hot damn, I love the way you think!!!   8)

I'm excited to continue my quest!
You are FAR from being the only one.   :) :) :) :)

Keep us aBREAST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: More results!
Post by: Growing_girls on September 20, 2016, 08:11:44 PM
It's been another month of experimenting! Usual disclaimer-- I'm not a doctor and I have been growing on my own. The herbs are part of an experiment to see what can happen. In my last post, I was coming off a lengthy break from the herbs. Despite that, I continued to add 1/16th an inch (post cycle measurement) each month.

This month has been interesting as I've been digging into the mysteries of fenugreek. I have shared some of this in another area, but what I've learned has been helpful. I have been thinking of fenugreek as a kind of antagonist-- a troublemaker. This is why it might work better for women who are already large (and perhaps more sensitive to circulating hormones) while on smaller women, it does little to nothing. Specifically, I found some studies that point to Fenugreek’s ability to deregulate cellular receptors, including estradiol receptors. Specifically, it can cause up-regulation, which increases the sensitivity of the receptors (Hamden, Jaouadi, Carreau, Aouidet, El-Fazaa, Gharbi, and Elfeki, 2010). This likely explains why in an earlier study by Pandey,  Sahay, Pandey, and Tripathi (2005), rats who were given large doses of shatavari (a herb with similar properties as fenugreek) showed evidence of hypertrophy in their mammaries. If the hormonal receptors were up-regulated by the herbs, then their sensitivity could increase, causing the changes.

I was also placed on a course of prescription hormones to help reboot my cycle. They got thrown off when I stopped the herbs this summer--- a good piece of advice to anyone using them... do not quit without stepping down the doses! I thought this would be an interesting experiment. I received my prescription on 8/22, just 1mg of Estradiol  for 10 days. I started by taking nothing but the estradiol. My starting measurement was 46.1". After 4 days, it had increased to 46.5". Not bad, but also nothing too crazy. For the rest of the experiment, I added the herbs... fenugreek as an antagonist and licorice as a pro-aromatase. I went from 46.5" on (8/26) to 48.1" on (9/1)... a huge jump! Unfortunately, some of this growth was attributed to cyclic swelling, but when I took my measurement 5 days past my cycle's end, it was 47.3", almost a full inch. My band size did not change, nor did my waistline save for the usual temporary cyclic water-gain I experience.

Since then, I have been off the prescription. It was short term, and not something I can take daily. Instead, I have invested in a stronger concentration of fenugreek. I have had to work my way back up since it is quite a bit stronger than my old brand. Still, herbs move a lot slower. I'm just doing a basic combination of fenugreek, licorice, and omegas. I measured 47.3" on 9/7 and measured 48.1" today (9/20). Still, it's pretty steady progress: http://ow.ly/hTEs304oOdD (http://ow.ly/hTEs304oOdD).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TKnight on September 24, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
Congrats on the growth! An inch increase in a month is nothing to scoff at! If I may suggest, perhaps you should pick one bra you use to visually measure progress each month and take regular photos. This way you can see other changes such as fullness on top or on bottom, changes in shape, ect. Best of luck on the growing boobs and will watch your thread closely!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on September 24, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
Congrats on the growth! An inch increase in a month is nothing to scoff at! If I may suggest, perhaps you should pick one bra you use to visually measure progress each month and take regular photos. This way you can see other changes such as fullness on top or on bottom, changes in shape, ect. Best of luck on the growing boobs and will watch your thread closely!

I do keep older bras, if only for my own curiosity to see how much they've grown. When it's inch by inch, it's easy to forget to appreciate the progress. I can't ignore the fact that I'm popping out of my older bras, though  ;). I have more pictures, but I'm still pretty shy about sharing them in the forum. I plan to keep documenting here.

In terms of progress, I do think I've hit on a good combination of supplements to agitate my ongoing growth. My bust measurement seems to be ticking up a lot more quickly than in past months. It's quite exciting.  :D
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheBoobGuy on October 04, 2016, 11:12:33 PM
There is little more that warms my heart more than a bra being utterly overwhelmed by the breasts it could once hold. It is even better that seeing a bra be brought too small to make a point.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on October 07, 2016, 08:00:11 PM
Still loving this thread!  Definitely the most educational of them all, aside from being very interesting!   8)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on October 18, 2016, 06:40:40 PM
Sorry for my delayed response. Work has been distracting and I have not been on the site as much. This month has been interesting. I have maintained everything and gained a bit more, but I made some stupid mistakes that set me back.

My usual herbalist moved away, so I've been on my own, purchasing my products from natural grocers. This was stupid move #1. The quality is no where near as good. I was excited to find a more concentrated brand of fenugreek, but again, there's no telling how long it has been in the storeroom. My first bottle was incredible, strong and potent. This second bottle is weak. I cannot even smell the herb's distinctive maple syrup odor. Luckily, there is an herbal pharmacy up in town I have yet to try. 

Stupid move #2-- removing vitex. Vitex is an interesting herb. It helps to regulate progesterone levels to prevent them from dropping too low. I had started to wonder if Vitex might be slowing things down, and made the stupid move of cutting it out. That actually caused me to stall. I was amazed that such a tiny quantity of herb would make any difference at all, but it does for me.

Long story short... any growth is good, so I'm staying positive. Such lessons are helpful to avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on October 23, 2016, 12:15:04 PM
I have maintained everything and gained a bit more
You're a breast enlargement superstar!  That is fantastic!

purchasing my products from natural grocers. This was stupid move #1. The quality is no where near as good.
Stupid move #2-- removing vitex. Vitex is an interesting herb. It helps to regulate progesterone levels to prevent them from dropping too low.
From a motivational standpoint, when you look back on these moments I hope you'll be able to replace the phrase "stupid move" with "learning experience".  Since you're an academic, I don't have to tell you all of the famous stories of persistence - such as the one where Colonel Sanders at the age of 65 only had $105 to his name and started traveling to pitch his recipe to restaurants.  He cooked his fried chicken on the spot for restaurant owners. He heard 1009 “no”s before he heard his first “yes”.

Long story short... any growth is good, so I'm staying positive. Such lessons are helpful to avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
And THERE it is!  You're really making history if you can keep at it with this.  Very few people have stuck with herbal BE this long.  I feel so excited to have read about all that you're doing.  If we ever build a pantheon of breast enlargement heroes, I want you to be a principal statue in the design.  Holding an encyclopedia of herbs in one hand, and holding up your ever-expanding weighty chest in the other!   8)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on October 24, 2016, 09:01:14 PM
You're a breast enlargement superstar!  That is fantastic!

 :D I appreciate the positive words!

From a motivational standpoint, when you look back on these moments I hope you'll be able to replace the phrase "stupid move" with "learning experience". 

We academics call this focus on persistence "having a growth mindset." I apparently have to work on my growth mindset. I find this hilarious in a weird way.  ;D

It's all good though. I've tweaked some things and am working with what I have and have once again started feeling the familiar sensations (pressure, heat, tingling, and soreness). If only I had my own herb garden, then I'd have full control. Until then, I'll finish these crappy store bought herbs and am looking forward to trying tinctures from the new herbalist in town.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: pilotblaze on October 31, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
GG- you're my heroine !   
Always going that extra mile... digging deeper and thinking it through.
 ;D    ;D

-D'Artagnian
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TKnight on November 03, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
You're a breast enlargement superstar!  That is fantastic!

 :D I appreciate the positive words!

From a motivational standpoint, when you look back on these moments I hope you'll be able to replace the phrase "stupid move" with "learning experience". 

We academics call this focus on persistence "having a growth mindset." I apparently have to work on my growth mindset. I find this hilarious in a weird way.  ;D

It's all good though. I've tweaked some things and am working with what I have and have once again started feeling the familiar sensations (pressure, heat, tingling, and soreness). If only I had my own herb garden, then I'd have full control. Until then, I'll finish these crappy store bought herbs and am looking forward to trying tinctures from the new herbalist in town.

I don't think anyone here is questioning your growth mindset 😉 Always enjoy reading about your progress. Best of luck!
Title: My swan song
Post by: Growing_girls on November 19, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
Still loving this thread!  Definitely the most educational of them all, aside from being very interesting!   8)

November is now half over and I will finish 2016 three full cup sizes bigger than when I started (G to J, US sizes). 

But, all good things must come to an end. When I run out of my current supply of herbs, I'm not sure that I'll continue further. It has become clear that my partner does not appreciate the changes. While there's a certain amount of growth I can't control due to my condition, I do not need to make things worse by taking the herbs. I have some thinking to do. Perhaps I'll be back in the future... time will tell.  :)

Thanks to everyone for your nice comments and support on this thread! I have appreciated all of the positive support!
Title: Re: My swan song
Post by: bignatslover on November 19, 2016, 08:16:53 PM
my partner does not appreciate the changes. While there's a certain amount of growth I can't control due to my condition, I do not need to make things worse by taking the herbs. I have to leverage my own desires versus what's best for my relationship and make some choices.
B...b...but - hasn't he heard of encouraging one's partner to follow her dreams?  I can not understand why he would protest!  Even if he's not a boob man - he should enjoy how much YOU enjoy it!  Ah well, c 'est la vie I guess.
Title: Re: My swan song
Post by: SwitcherX on November 20, 2016, 11:48:04 AM
It has become clear that my partner does not appreciate the changes.

I understand each of these words individually but when you place them in that order the resulting sentence makes no sense.
Title: Or not!
Post by: Growing_girls on November 22, 2016, 12:52:44 AM
Well, just when you think you have a solution, life throws a curveball. I just lost a close friend. Now my mood has changed back to "life is too short to conform to other people's ideas of normal." You never know when you'll be called to that giant mead hall in the sky.  :-\

Or maybe it's my herbals that made me feel like an angsty teen when I made my last post. Whatever. May the experiment continue!

Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Sawyer90 on November 22, 2016, 06:33:10 AM
Huzzah, and Drink Hail!
Title: Re: Or not!
Post by: bignatslover on November 23, 2016, 01:41:04 AM
May the experiment continue!
YES!  Now that's the spirit!  For science!
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Title: Checking hormones= important!
Post by: Growing_girls on November 29, 2016, 11:45:33 PM
I've been keeping a close eye on my data and noticed that things have been slowing down. It's also been almost a full year since I had checked my hormone levels. For anyone who is interested in trying any natural method, two things are essential. Getting to know your hormones and getting to know your cycles. For the cycles, I recommend using one of the many "natural family planning" apps. This requires dedication since you need to take and chart your temperature every day at the same time. This reveals all sorts of data. Once you know when you ovulate, you can get a pretty good sense of where your hormones might be during the cycle. The app I use can actually predict my cycle dates at this point, and I no longer take the daily temperatures.

I also tested my hormones using a saliva based hormone test. These are pricey, but they're available online. It's worth the cost. Why load your body with estrogen if you're already estrogen dominant? That would be pointless. When I first started, I assumed I could just take a bunch of fenugreek and see results. That was not the case. I'd swell up, but I'd lose most of it as soon as my cycle ended. When I started to pay attention to my hormones, I would still see some cyclic swelling and shrinking, but I would keep more and more each month.

This became very evident once I looked over my data. Due to recent life drama, my science got shoddy. As a result, I noticed that I was feeling less sensations and seeing less results. Recently, I decided to try pueraria mirifica. This is supposedly the strongest herb for breast growth, but I was skeptical. Curiosity got the best of me, so I figured I had nothing to lose. I had been told that this herb needed to be synced with the cycle, so last month, I waited for ovulation then took it until the "red tide" arrived. I was surprised that I did not feel much of anything, but I also kept taking fenugreek. CRITICAL ERROR! When I tested my hormones, I was all out of sync. People assume that conditions like hypertrophy and macromastia are caused by having too much estrogen. This is not the necessarily the case... it's the body's sensitivity to the circulating hormone levels that can spark the growth. I was still gaining, but it was closer to what I'd see without taking anything at all... tiny little fractions of an inch. This showed me something was broken.

For this current cycle, I took it as directed-- from cycle day one for 14 days, then a break for a week (which luckily corresponded with a mandatory herb break due to surgery), then I went back on it. Normally, I'd continue to take fenugreek during the break, but I was not able to. I was able to stay on Vitex, which likely helped get things back in sync from the previous cycle's overload. Supposedly, this break allows ovulation to happen, though the literature is not consistent as to whether it's necessary. While on PM, I cut fenugreek, licorice, and anything else that might interfere. I also continued vitex/chasteberry (a phyto-progesterone) to help balance things out, and my usual omega supplement. I also made sure to drink a protein shake at least 1-2 times a day and massaged when possible. In the afternoons, I'd take my Omegas, and a dropper of Goat's Rue just to keep things interesting. ;-) I saw an uptick in sensations and soreness. My pictures from late October to early November show changes. They're nudes, so I won't share them here!

Due to stress, I've been getting bad heartburn. I am fond of eating curry or thai food in the afternoon, so I decided to take cimetidine then. I've read in some articles that this is also a powerful anti-androgen, but I did not expect anything to happen. Yet, the past few days have been insane... I have not felt anything like this in a long time... constant deep aches that alternate with itching, redness, heat, and an obvious difference in size. It's not lactation... they're dry. I'll be curious to see what happens in the weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Checking hormones= important!
Post by: bignatslover on November 30, 2016, 11:20:44 AM
Due to recent life drama, my science got shoddy.
Ack - sorry about life drama.  I hope you are able to achieve more distance from the drama each day.
People assume that conditions like hypertrophy and macromastia are caused by having too much estrogen. This is not the necessarily the case... it's the body's sensitivity to the circulating hormone levels that can spark the growth.
Your ability to think deep is why you have such a better chance at figuring this out than the surface-dwellers amidst our sound-bite world.
I also made sure to drink a protein shake at least 1-2 times a day
That part sounds no fun.
and massaged when possible.
That part sounds incredibly fun!   8)
I decided to take cimetidine...an obvious difference in size.
Eureka!  Maybe.  But if cimetidine becomes your key unexpected ingredient, I will personally thank all Thai restaurants for this cause and effect situation.
I'll be curious to see what happens in the weeks ahead.
You ain't the only one!!   8)
We are hoping all things get better for you - personally, monetarily and of course, scientific-boobilly.  Keep us aBREAST, as always!!!
Title: Re: Checking hormones= important!
Post by: Growing_girls on November 30, 2016, 04:27:58 PM
People assume that conditions like hypertrophy and macromastia are caused by having too much estrogen. This is not the necessarily the case... it's the body's sensitivity to the circulating hormone levels that can spark the growth.
Your ability to think deep is why you have such a better chance at figuring this out than the surface-dwellers amidst our sound-bite world.

And yet, this has been a constant source of confusion. The scientific literature on macro/gigantomastia is a hot mess. It's pretty much a lot of "maybe" and "possibly" and most articles ignore the causes completely and focus on reduction techniques (no judgement... no woman who does not want large breasts should ever be stuck with them just because they fulfill my aesthetic preferences!). I'm not sure that anyone knows what causes these conditions. The type that happens in puberty is obvious... hormone production ramps up and affects growth. For me, it's obviously connected to pregnancy. Yet, the research also is confusing here. People like Isabelle Lanthier grew a ton in a very short time. This seems to be labeled as "gravid macromastia" since it happens around week 16. As I look at pictures from back then, I was slightly bigger, but nothing crazy. I've seen the phrase "prolonged postnatal symptomatic macromastia" too. This basically means breasts that remain enlarged well after pregnancy. This was not the case either. The growth was progressive and persistent despite purposefully dieting to lose my baby weight. Even more recently, I've lost weight due to stress, but the inches departed from my waistline, not up there.

The closest explanation came from my now retired physician who really seemed to know his stuff. He thinks I was suffering from an overall deficiency in estro/progestro compared to androgen. Pregnancy caused my body to "reboot" and balance out. This would be similar to the case of Sharon, an older woman who grew from a D cup to L cups after a hysterectomy (she was featured on the BBC's horribly named show Embarrassing Bodies). This operation can wreak havoc on the hormones, especially if the ovaries remain, but doctors typically prescribe replacement hormones to help women. Now, if the breast tissue is sensitive and suddenly, out of nowhere, there is enough "good stuff" to actually spark that sensitivity, then all hell can break loose.

That's what I think is going on with me. I only started messing with the herbs when things started slowing down. My hormone levels were slowly going back to normal levels (and for me, that would mean everything was too low to spark anything). As I supplemented, there was enough to spark things again. I still agree with the research that fenugreek can be a catalyst to cause more sensitivity, but in my case, I think I'm having the most success now because I re-tested my hormones and am balancing things more productively. Taking the fenugreek plus the PM was just too much of a good thing. The Licorice was weaker, so the fenugreek helped to supplement its effects. Such fascinating stuff. 8)

And a reminder... I'm not a professional. I only have introductory-level training in herbalism. There's also no guarantee that anything would happen to a woman who tries these herbs without a pre-existing sensitivity.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on December 01, 2016, 04:58:48 AM
Just when we thought we would lose you're great articles....You're back with a vengeance!! Good to see you back, and it's always wonderful to read what you've experienced!!
Title: Steady progress
Post by: Growing_girls on December 16, 2016, 06:16:01 PM
Things have been interesting over here. I last wrote on 11/29, right before my cycle hit. I had been measuring myself as a J cup for a while, but the bra I had bought did not fit right. It seemed too big. Even after my cycle passed, I had maintained every bit of fullness, and was officially far too big for my old i cup bra (US sizes). I tried to cope with it, but wound up with neck and back pains  :'(.  I got the chance this past Monday to visit a shop up in the city that caters to larger sizes (up to P cups!). The woman who worked there was amazing. I think I'm in love with her!

I recently lost weight, so my band size changed. It measured as 35" so she sized me as 34K or 36J. I opted for the 36J since it was more comfortable. She explained why the bra I found online was not working. It was poorly designed and was not engineered to accommodate the rather unusual shape of my breasts. So, she hooked me up with a new bra, and even sewed in a little extra support for my smaller side to even things out (does that count as wearing a custom bra?  ;) LOL). She also showed me that I was measuring wrong, so I have all new data and a more accurate way to keep track of things.

But the girls never stop. I've had to adjust the straps a couple of times to accommodate the changes and the growing pains are ramping up. To say I'm excited would be an understatement!  ;D
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on December 17, 2016, 04:09:51 AM
You should definitely advise the lady at the new bra shop that you will be a repeat customer...heading towards larger sizes! Maybe she will help sponsor your growth aspirations!!
  My girl has always wanted to be bigger than what she is now (C cup), and she was while pregnant. I have thought about mentioning herbs and other supplements to her, but I'm not sure how she would react to the suggestion. I've always dated women who were larger than her, and I don't want her to feel inadequate with me, or even plant that seed of doubt in her head. It's great to read about your growth on here though!
Title: Re: Steady progress
Post by: bignatslover on December 17, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
But the girls never stop.
Woo hoo!  Tell them to "never stop not stopping!"   8)
I've had to adjust the straps a couple of times to accommodate the changes and the growing pains are ramping up.
Without meaning to, you wrote something more ribald & passionate than all of the Harlequin romance novels put together.   :P
To say I'm excited would be an understatement!  ;D
We, your growing readership, remain equally excited and anticipatory for more fabulous news!
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Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on January 01, 2017, 01:38:00 AM
You should definitely advise the lady at the new bra shop that you will be a repeat customer...
  My girl has always wanted to be bigger than what she is now (C cup). I have thought about mentioning herbs and other supplements to her, but I'm not sure how she would react to the suggestion. I've always dated women who were larger than her, and I don't want her to feel inadequate with me, or even plant that seed of doubt in her head.
I may be back sooner than I thought! I already removed the little added support thing she sewed in to balance out my smaller breast since the cup was getting tight. ;D My one complaint is that they're becoming "heavy hangers." Gravity sucks :-\ . I look at women with XL implants and am a bit jealous of how they stand up where they ought to be! LOL

That's a tricky situation with your girl. I would hesitate to mention herbs for the very reasons you mentioned. You would not want her to feel self-conscious. If she does mention that she wants larger breasts, that could be the time to mention it, but it's a process that takes some dedication depending on how far she'd want to go. Trying a basic herbal blend could be a way to get started and see what happens before really digging into the serious stuff  (hormone tests, temperature taking to learn one's cycle, and so on... all annoying things, but all helpful!).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on January 01, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
Thank you for your advice! I'm a patient guy...I can wait until she mentions it again someday. We were new into our relationship the last time she mentioned having larger breasts someday, so I didn't say anything then.
  Nothing wrong with your developing "heavy hangers"!!! Congrats on filling the new bra out, but that can become expensive really fast!!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Bearbacca on January 03, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
Heavy hanging, naturally sloping, pendulous breasts are the best breasts... In my opinion anyway... ;)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on January 05, 2017, 11:26:07 PM
Congrats on filling the new bra out, but that can become expensive really fast!!

I've been pretty lucky in this area. I have a good job, so money is not a concern. My last bra cost around $70 with the tailoring. Sure, it's easier to walk into the local department store and get a bra for $20 or so, but I prefer supporting a small business  ;). I only bought the one (smart move, it seems considering how things have been going). I wash it by hand in the evenings so it's ready for the morning, and by the time it gets too skanky or misshapen, it will be time for the next size.

I'm close too! In terms of numbers, I'm technically measuring as a K cup (just barely!). This is thanks to a pretty serious and ongoing growth spurt. I've gained an inch of difference between December 12's measurements at my bra fitting and this morning's measurements. My current bra is still comfortable enough, especially on my smaller side. I usually do not size up at this stage because of my asymmetry. When the spill-over on my larger side gets too obvious, I'll be sizing up!

I am honestly not sure how much of an effect the herbs had here. This seemed more like back when the growth first began (remember I went from an A/B to a G cup before I tried any herbs. I only tried them because my natural growth had drastically slowed down). If the same thing happens in this next cycle, then I'll know I'm onto something good with my current blend of supplements.

I do know I can handle more. I did a lot of outdoor activities over the winter holiday and did not experience any pain or aggravation, outside of the typical "growing pains" that I've become used to. Plus, I love how I look enough that I finally added a picture to my avatar (until I get shy again and take it back down).
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on January 07, 2017, 01:40:27 PM
I am honestly not sure how much of an effect the herbs had here.
The not-knowing has got to be difficult, but your excellent record-keeping will eventually furnish the answers you want.  Science!
I do know I can handle more.
Like an elite athlete, it is wonderful to watch someone do what they were born to be great at doing!!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on February 21, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
It's been a while! I'm still alive and well.  ;)

1. I'm still on a similar herbal regiment, but did not opt for Pueraria this month. I think my body was getting used to it. Instead, I have been using Licorice root and fenugreek, balanced with Vitex. I think I've found my new favorite Fenugreek. It is a liquid extract in capsules made by Gaia Herbs. It is easier on my stomach than taking the ground seeds, but because it's an extract, it is also quite a bit stronger. It has a heavy price tag, but it's worth it.

2. I'm experimenting with a custom tincture I brewed to help take care of some of my individual needs based on my data from last year. More on this later... still too soon to say if it's making a difference, though based on this week, it might be!  :D

3. Back on 1/5/17, I was technically measuring a K cup, but just barely. I'm now a full K cup, and still growing.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 22, 2017, 05:14:38 AM
The girls never stop!

3. Back on 1/5/17, I was technically measuring a K cup, but just barely. I'm now a full K cup, and still growing.

And you're, what, 47, 48 inches around now too? Marvelous progress, just marvelous!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on February 22, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
It's been a while! I'm still alive and well.  ;)
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I think I've found my new favorite Fenugreek.
I know that Fenugreek was a favorite of Nadine Jansen's when she briefly dipped her toes into the natural breast expansion pond.  Then she got preggers and I'm not sure if she continued with NBE, but I definitely remember her singing the praises of Fenugreek.

though based on this week, it might be!  :D
I continue to be amazed by your short time frames of measured progress.  I lift weights, and even if I work my biceps to failure I can not say I notice results in such short time frames.

Back on 1/5/17, I was technically measuring a K cup, but just barely. I'm now a full K cup, and still growing.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back 48 days ago?  Yep, those were the good ol' days.  We were all so young back then.  Wait, that is not a long time at all!  If you progress any more quickly, you're going to start getting calls from The Guinness Book.  Even in BE fantasy stories, a girl has to come back from last school year and needs a whole summer to grow!   8)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on February 22, 2017, 02:21:44 PM
On the Fenugreek tincture, do you notice a stronger smell from it? Does it really induce lactation like it says it helps with?
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on February 22, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back 48 days ago?  Yep, those were the good ol' days.  We were all so young back then.  Wait, that is not a long time at all!  If you progress any more quickly, you're going to start getting calls from The Guinness Book.  Even in BE fantasy stories, a girl has to come back from last school year and needs a whole summer to grow!   8)

LOL... I'll admit, I'm a bit shocked at how things have gone. I take pictures in the same pose every week or so, and even I'm shocked when I look at things side by side. Heck, I saw changes even within this past week, which I usually never see! I went off fenugreek for a while, and I think my body might have been missing it.

But, remember... I'm not a normal woman. I was growing (albeit slowly) on my own before playing around with herbs. So, in a normal person, they would likely see much different results.

I'd love to read more about Nadine's use of fenugreek. I had heard this before, but I have not been successful in finding anything direct from her about the experience. Considering how her body responded to pregnancy, she is also fairly sensitive, so I would imagine it would've worked well for her.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on February 22, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
On the Fenugreek tincture, do you notice a stronger smell from it? Does it really induce lactation like it says it helps with?

Great questions. I actually really like the smell, so it does not bother me. The tinctures are stronger and work faster, so the smell comes on a bit more quickly than with the capsules.

As for lactation, it can help with milk flow, but I've never had any issues with inducing lactation. That can be a very long and tedious process. From my understanding, Fenugreek increases moisture in the body in general. It is often recommended as a post-menopausal solution to lubricate "down stairs," if you know what I mean. It also makes me sweat more (which is unfortunate, but where I live, it's often hot and people are often sweaty, lol).

But I use fenugreek for a slightly different purpose. A study published in the Archives of Physiology and Biochemistry back in 2010 showed how fenugreek has the effect of unregulating hormonal receptors (making them more "receptive") while affecting IGF (insulin Growth Factor), and another study from Phytotherapy Research in 2005 induced gigantomastia in lab rats by giving high doses of Shatavari (and fenugreek has higher concentrations of similar compounds).  In short, fenugreek is like a boost... something that aggravates my pre-existing sensitivity enough to spark growth.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 23, 2017, 03:04:36 AM

LOL... I'll admit, I'm a bit shocked at how things have gone. I take pictures in the same pose every week or so, and even I'm shocked when I look at things side by side. Heck, I saw changes even within this past week, which I usually never see! I went off fenugreek for a while, and I think my body might have been missing it.

But, remember... I'm not a normal woman.
I was growing (albeit slowly) on my own before playing around with herbs. So, in a normal person, they would likely see much different results.


This is SO HOT. Damn....
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: motofly196 on February 23, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
Thank you for taking the time to answer this question...in great depth!! Ahh...if only we had access to these weekly photos!  ;D Myself, I'm thrilled that you added an avatar picture!!
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: bignatslover on February 26, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
I'd love to read more about Nadine's use of fenugreek.
I wish I had saved the information.  That was back in 2004-2005 (I remember in 2006 when she announced her pregnancy) and it appears the online writings have eroded away.

I actually really like the smell
Well that's good!  And I just read a bonus: The health benefits of fenugreek include relief from: anemia, loss of taste, fever, dandruff, stomach disorders, biliousness, respiratory disorders, mouth ulcers, sore throat, diabetes, inflammations, wounds and insomnia.

in 2005 induced gigantomastia in lab rats by giving high doses of Shatavari (and fenugreek has higher concentrations of similar compounds).
Rats with gigantomastia?  LOL!!   ;D Once I get past the comedy aspect, I do think that is a very interesting experiment result there.
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: TheZookie007 on February 26, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
You gotta feel sorry for the male rats in the other cages, being able to see their womenfolk with humungous titties and not being able to do anything about it :)
Title: Re: Met a new partner and she is obssesd.
Post by: Growing_girls on February 27, 2017, 05:54:42 PM
Rats with gigantomastia?  LOL!!   ;D Once I get past the comedy aspect, I do think that is a very interesting experiment result there.

I know! LOL... it seems completely silly  ;D. Still, it shows that the herbs can have some effect beyond just temporary swelling or water retention.