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Title: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on May 07, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
For yesterday's episodes:

Top 10 tags during this period: fan(20)  mc(18)  bimbo(9)  **27**(9)  list(9)  pers(7)  tged(6)  ff(6)  ident(5)  exh(4) 

(**27** is c*e*l*e*b, which it seems is a permissible word on the addventure but not in the forum.)

Whatever happened to BE? :) Not a single use of the tag. Is it time for the BEAddventure to be renamed?

Fanfic now seems to be dominant. Of course that isn't new, but it seems to have become even more marked recently. I imagine that at least 80% of the fanfic episodes will be about anime characters, most of whom I've never even heard of. (When I was growing up, anime was pretty much unknown outside Japan.) I don't begrudge the anime fans the opportunity to write about their favourites, but new episodes about OCs - and more specifically the original crew of Jim, Sharon and co - seem to be becoming ever thinner on the ground, which is sad.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Anonymous51 on May 07, 2017, 06:59:42 PM
That was just one day, though.  It seems every day, there's a different set of tags.  For example, today, "be" is the third highest on the list, so far.  And if you look at the episodes over the last 40 days, "be" is fifth on the list.  Not first, but pretty high up.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on May 07, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
True, but "fan" still dominates.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Chuck on May 11, 2017, 07:52:27 AM
Fanfic here can be good. I have participated in it with X-Files, Twin Peaks, Transformers, even Jem & The Holograms.

I do find anime very irritating though. But to each his own. Without the anime fans filling the Addventure with stories about Ranma, Bleach, Sailor Moon, etc. It would be a ghost town around here.

Also the video game fans with their Samus, Sonic, etc.

Those storylines fill out the Recent Eps page and make the BEA seem still popular 20 years in.

Maybe there should be a tag like "Orig" for Original Addventure characters like Jim, Sharon, etc.  ;D
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on May 11, 2017, 03:35:04 PM
An "Orig" tag might be a good idea. Since my original post a few new threads have started featuring Jim and Sharon, which is good to see. If I wasn't about to disappear on vacation, I might have contributed to the "Jim and Sharon in the Caribbean" one.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Chuck on May 11, 2017, 09:48:11 PM
An "Orig" tag might be a good idea. Since my original post a few new threads have started featuring Jim and Sharon, which is good to see. If I wasn't about to disappear on vacation, I might have contributed to the "Jim and Sharon in the Caribbean" one.

That one is on my "to read" list.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: The Arrogant Nair on May 16, 2017, 01:16:29 AM
While it is all a bit ambiguous, I do kind of like the idea of a "Jim" tag to consolidate all of those stories and cast-usage, and give a little bit of a shout-out to our long-running mascot/punching bag.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on May 16, 2017, 04:37:34 AM
While it is all a bit ambiguous, I do kind of like the idea of a "Jim" tag to consolidate all of those stories and cast-usage, and give a little bit of a shout-out to our long-running mascot/punching bag.

Hm, alternatively I was contemplating having some tag to indicate that the story involved any of what's considered the "main universe" characters (Jim, Sharon, Rick, Robin, etc.) as opposed to other main characters (Marjorie Mandelberg or Mitch, for example).

Not sure what right name for the tag would be.  "Jim" wouldn't work for tagging a thread that only featured Sharon.

Despite those characters' strong presence early on, this isn't like Fiction Branches where there is a consistent set of characters across nearly the whole site.  Even setting fanfic aside there's still a lot of characters to focus on outside of the original Addventurers.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: The Arrogant Nair on May 21, 2017, 01:56:05 PM
While it is all a bit ambiguous, I do kind of like the idea of a "Jim" tag to consolidate all of those stories and cast-usage, and give a little bit of a shout-out to our long-running mascot/punching bag.

Hm, alternatively I was contemplating having some tag to indicate that the story involved any of what's considered the "main universe" characters (Jim, Sharon, Rick, Robin, etc.) as opposed to other main characters (Marjorie Mandelberg or Mitch, for example).

Not sure what right name for the tag would be.  "Jim" wouldn't work for tagging a thread that only featured Sharon.

Despite those characters' strong presence early on, this isn't like Fiction Branches where there is a consistent set of characters across nearly the whole site.  Even setting fanfic aside there's still a lot of characters to focus on outside of the original Addventurers.

Maybe "UBEA" or something to that effect. It's not like the tag itself has to be 100% accurate and indicative, it really just has to be unique and more or less easily associated with its definition.

And the impression that I always had from my (extensive but definitely incomplete) reading of the Addventure is that while there are different original characters and even entire casts thereof, most of them tend to be fairly self-contained into their respective stories. It's just Jim and his central supporting cast that tends to pop up time and again, which could be interpreted as a significant distinction.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on May 21, 2017, 03:59:09 PM
And the impression that I always had from my (extensive but definitely incomplete) reading of the Addventure is that while there are different original characters and even entire casts thereof, most of them tend to be fairly self-contained into their respective stories. It's just Jim and his central supporting cast that tends to pop up time and again, which could be interpreted as a significant distinction.

True, true.

I've now added a "ubea" tag.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on May 22, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
Thanks, Adama. I may be being dense, but what does the "u" in "ubea" stand for?
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on May 23, 2017, 04:03:10 AM
Thanks, Adama. I may be being dense, but what does the "u" in "ubea" stand for?

The official name of the Addventure is "Unending BE Addventure" (to distinguish it from the ones on addventure.com I imagine).  So "ubea".
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on May 23, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
Thanks, Adama. I may be being dense, but what does the "u" in "ubea" stand for?

The official name of the Addventure is "Unending BE Addventure" (to distinguish it from the ones on addventure.com I imagine).  So "ubea".

I was being dense. :)

While I've been away on vacation, even more ubea stories have been either started or revived, so I'm wondering if more people read the Plume (and this thread in particular) than I'd thought.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on June 25, 2017, 08:14:30 PM
Now I have some experience of adding tags to episodes, I'm surprised by how difficult I often find it. For example, I'm very unclear as to the distinction between Global and Real. It seems to me that we don't really need both tags, but I suppose that now that both have been added to many episodes it's not really possible to remove one of them.

I feel similarly about Ident and Status.

Another question is whether tags like Be should apply only to the episodes where the actual growth occurs or also in episodes where someone features who has previously grown. That's handled explicitly for transgendering, but not for anything else. Fortunately it's not an issue for Pr, as that's something that's continuous rather than a step change.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on June 28, 2017, 05:46:18 AM
Now I have some experience of adding tags to episodes, I'm surprised by how difficult I often find it. For example, I'm very unclear as to the distinction between Global and Real. It seems to me that we don't really need both tags, but I suppose that now that both have been added to many episodes it's not really possible to remove one of them.

I feel similarly about Ident and Status.

Another question is whether tags like Be should apply only to the episodes where the actual growth occurs or also in episodes where someone features who has previously grown. That's handled explicitly for transgendering, but not for anything else. Fortunately it's not an issue for Pr, as that's something that's continuous rather than a step change.

Well, Global and Real are different things.  Global refers to changes that effect the whole world (or possibly everyone in a town or other area).  Such as "All women have large breasts".  Real refers to reality changes, usually in the sense of "reality adjusts to reflect the change".  Such as everyone thinking a certain character has always been a girl.

Ident means that a person has a new identity -- which now that I think about it, is also a "Real" change.  Such as Jim becoming Sharon's son instead of her boyfriend.  Status... well I never really "got" that but it's about "social status" changes, such as Sharon becoming a cheerleader or a maid.  I asked if that was more of a "cliche" change, but the person requesting it disagreed.  :)

I agree that the issue with the "be" tag is debatable.  Many tags that relate to a Transformation could be split in two like the tg tag was, but then the tag list would become a LOT longer and harder to use.  I've debated about adding a "big breasts" tag to compensate, but that seems unfair to the other tags.  ;)  It actually is an issue for the "pr" tag too, because some people fetishize only the growth aspect, and don't care as much about episodes where the character is already pregnant.   So I don't know what the right answer is there.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: JH_ on June 28, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
Thanks. That mostly makes sense.

I've thought of a few more popular fetishes that arguably might merit their own tags: rubber/latex, high-heeled shoes and collars. For the last, I've been using the "bond" tag, but it's not really ideal.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: saibott on July 09, 2017, 08:33:51 AM
I agree that the issue with the "be" tag is debatable.  Many tags that relate to a Transformation could be split in two like the tg tag was, but then the tag list would become a LOT longer and harder to use.  I've debated about adding a "big breasts" tag to compensate, but that seems unfair to the other tags.  ;)  It actually is an issue for the "pr" tag too, because some people fetishize only the growth aspect, and don't care as much about episodes where the character is already pregnant.   So I don't know what the right answer is there.
So does this mean that a "Shrinking/reduction" category is out of the question? Because I'd like to tag a bunch of Breast Reduction stories as such but there is no tag for them. possibly add a link to a definitions page it the tag list? As I too, found figuring which tag to use and when iffy. I'll write out my ideas and post them at: http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?topic=9995692.0
I believe most of the Anime fans come from the now defunct Anime Adventure at Bast-Enterprises. I know when I attempted to post a few threads there the moderator deleted them, in violation the posted rules of allowing additions to the site.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Aphrodite on August 06, 2017, 05:38:50 AM
Real refers to reality changes, usually in the sense of "reality adjusts to reflect the change".  Such as everyone thinking a certain character has always been a girl.

I agree that the issue with the "be" tag is debatable.  I've debated about adding a "big breasts" tag to compensate, but that seems unfair to the other tags.

So THAT'S what that means. Actually, that's a very, very useful tag, but I doubt many people actually know what is intended... my best guess was physical laws changing. At the very least, the description should be more clear, but I would suggest changing the entire tag to "retro - retroactive change". It's concise and (I think) pretty obvious, at least as one-word descriptions go.

BE seems simple enough to me, but I always considered it the fetish rather than the act. If it features growing breasts or enough discussion of growing breasts it fits the fetish and is tagged. Sure there's a grey area in the latter one, but not that much. Now on the other hand a big breasts tag sounds like it's asking for trouble. Should DDs, head-sized breasts, lap-filling breasts and beyond really be under the same tag? If different categories are split up how do you describe them accurately enough to prevent confusion in only two or three words? (I may have accidentally answered my own question)

(A segment of this post has been removed because it discussed prohibited topics. —moderator)
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on August 06, 2017, 06:25:58 PM
Ha.

There isn't an Inc tag for the same reason we have a "waste" tag rather than a term that's more explicit.  It's because both words are verboten at the BEA, and by extension the Addventure.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Aphrodite on August 06, 2017, 07:04:27 PM
Yes, unfortunately I only remembered the word filter AFTER typing all that. I can't find any rules on the subject here though. How far does the rule reach - would the above relationship tags theoretically be allowed since they are in themselves nonsexual? Is this discussion even allowed?

I'm not trying to skirt any rules, I'm just wondering what they are at all. Unless there's a whole rules page somewhere separate from the one on the forum, it doesn't seem like much more than just the wordfilter.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: Adama on August 06, 2017, 07:06:26 PM
Yes, unfortunately I only remembered the word filter AFTER typing all that. I can't find any rules on the subject here though. How far does the rule reach - would the above relationship tags theoretically be allowed since they are in themselves nonsexual? Is this discussion even allowed?

I'm not trying to skirt any rules, I'm just wondering what they are at all. Unless there's a whole rules page somewhere separate from the one on the forum, it doesn't seem like much more than just the wordfilter.

As far as I know the prohibitions against "inc" are just the word filter, but let's not tempt them into making it a stronger rule.
Title: Re: The Tags Tell a Story
Post by: gonZo on August 15, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
To give you guys a little more guidance re the prohibited word filter and prohibited content rules...

First, they only apply to the forum. The Addventure is its own situation, and what's in or out of bounds there is between Adama and the BEA's owner. So a range of topics that may be acceptable story points in the Addventure can't be discussed in the forum.

At the same time, the prohibited words list (insisted upon by one of the BEA's trade partners) is much stricter than our prohibited topics list, and the moderators will tend to choose the prohibited topics over the prohibited words in determining what to moderate. Prohibited topics for forum discussion are listed here (http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?action=rules).

gonZo
forum moderator