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Palomine

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Why so few Indian/Pakistani models?
« on: November 15, 2003, 07:45:35 PM »
The only one I can think of is **02**, and that's from quite a while ago. My impression is that genetically, women of Indian/Pakastani heritage are as likely to be as curvy and buxom as Latinas, women of middle-eastern countries or Europeans. Yet, you could probably count ALL the I/P models who might have dabbled in the mainstream on the fingers of one hand. Of course, there are cultural issues at work... but the taboos against the display of flesh exist in most cultures to one degree or another.

Have I overlooked some notable I/P models? Just curious.
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ElmerFudd

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2003, 07:49:59 PM »
Not only are there taboos against the display of flesh in Muslim countries, there are severe penalties.  Just read the other day about an Afghani woman who appeared in a bikini in a beauty contest (a VERY modest one, BTW).  A government spokesman was talking about prosecuting her if she came back to Afganistan!  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2003, 08:28:19 PM »
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Not only are there taboos against the display of flesh in Muslim countries, there are severe penalties. Just read the other day about an Afghani woman who appeared in a bikini in a beauty contest (a VERY modest one, BTW). A government spokesman was talking about prosecuting her if she came back to Afganistan!




Ms. Afghanistan herself! And she was even trying to bring more awarness to her nation. She still got some sort of reward though, even if she didn't win the contest.
 

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2003, 08:36:43 PM »
I have to disagree with the Indian's being busty.....I chalk a lot of the busty-ness in America from eating our hormone pumped cows and **94** the milk. If I'm not mistaken, its a crime for them to kill a sacred animal....namely the cow.

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2003, 08:38:44 PM »
There is Indian porn - seen some offered for sale in New York, although it may have been Sri Lankan - also seen it offered (under the counter) in Hong Kong and Singapore, as well as Tokyo.

Without specific knowledge of Islamic views on the topic - other than seeing Muslim women covered head to toe - I know for a fact, that in mainstream Indian cinema, which incidentally is the world's biggest film industry and includes films meant for general audiences, or Hindu or Muslim audiences- plain, everyday kissing, even between married couples is not shown. Maybe there are some director/producers who are pushing the envelope slightly as far as kissing, but you'd have to watch many Indian films before you found some.

This is somewhat mystifying as Indian is the world's second most populous country after China, and there are even a temples and shrines where statues of couples, carved in stone, are seen adorning these temples in quite explicit positions.

But that is as far as I can go to answer the question proposed by Palomine. Maybe there's a voice here that has either traveled to India, or lived in India, that can offer more.

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Palomine

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2003, 09:06:55 PM »
Bollywood films, with their huge ornate dance numbers, frequently feature lush-bodies Indian women gyrating all over the place. There also seems to be no hard-and-fast prohibition against wet shirts, breast bounce or even a bit of nipplage (no defined areolas please) in some of the videos and films. Of course, none of these vids (at least those that I've seen) would ever exceed PG13 if the MPAA rated them, but it's always worth watching on one of the high-number TV channels each saturday morning, especially since ALL kid's shows these days seem to be craptacular wastes of time.

Afganistan is quite a ways from India both geographically and culturally, but your point about Muslim mores is well taken, and I alluded to it in my initial post. I had always sort of imagined that SOME part of Indian culture (historically) would be encouraging of the sensual arts and of the human form. This is only my impression based on art I've seen, much of it quite old.

I've never been to India (though I hope to travel in that part of the world in the not too distant future) but although it has more than a billion citizens, I was under the impression that not all of them were Muslims. Would not some be Hindi(u)? Are the taboos against skin as severe for Hindus as they may be for Muslims?

Worth renting is Kama Sutra (the movie from a few years ago)... every time I see it I go on an Indian food binge for most of the following week, and dream about meeting an Indian girl of my own. No Score material in the movie, but pleny of plump and jucies.

There are 3 NGs of which I am aware that sometimes feature Indian adult content, mixed in with the miscellany and a lot of Asians and even white/brunettes/latinas being passed off as 'Indians.' However, you have to sort through a lot of chaff to find some decent busty Indian ladies who arene't fat picturewise on those NGs.

I know that there are one or two more prolific Indian porn actresses though I cannot recall any names at the moment. I've seen (in the past) fairly large quantities of hc sets featuring the same models. Somewhat busty (again, not huge.... sort of Playboy average) but pretty and enthusiastic-looking. Nice. Took a quick scan of those groups today and found very little worth mentioning... maybe a couple dozen pix of note total, and even the largest of them would barely be on-topic here.

If I find anything notable, I'll let you know.  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2003, 09:57:37 PM »
I second your recommendation for Kama Sutra!  I even named my daughter after the main charactor Maya.  Not because she was sexy (she was!) but because she was a strong woman who fought to be more then she was "supposed" to be.  I do think the supporting woman, I can't come up with her name, (the princess) was very hot! Full pouting lips and curves.  The whole movie is very seductive and beautifully shot.
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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2003, 10:04:22 PM »
Interestingly enough, actors/entertainers are considered to be, in general, pretty low-caste in Hindu society, I believe.  I don't know if this discourages attractive women's participation in the business, however.

My personal impression of women from India is that, when young at least, they tend to be small boned and skinny.  May be an inaccurate generalization based on too small a sampling.  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2003, 10:34:39 PM »
Acyually it's a sin for the particular hindu cult who's god is manifeted in the cow to kill them. Thats the way hindism works every god is represented on earth by an animal. there is a city in nothern india where it's forbiden to kill monkeys.  
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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2003, 11:33:52 PM »
A recent Associated Press Article:

The images, these days, are everywhere: the beer company calendar with Indian models spilling out of bikinis, the Hindi movie with couples wrapped passionately together, the magazine offering frank sexual advice.

It's pretty tame stuff, or would be if this were New York or Paris. But this is India, where kissing remains a seldom-broken movie taboo, Playboy can only be found on the black market and homosexuality remains, for the most part, quietly in the closet. Here, in the chastened land of the Kama Sutra, these hints of flesh reflect an upheaval in sexual attitudes. "Our references have changed," said Mahesh Bhatt, a movie director and self-appointed crusader for more realistic sexual content in films. "The Indian consumer is being shaped by changes going on by the hour around the world ... He is no longer the juvenile who cannot deal with sex."

Bhatt, who has been making movies for three decades, proudly promises a "quantum leap" in sex in his upcoming film, "The Human Body." Most shockingly to audiences of Bollywood movies - where skin is normally limited to "wet sari" scenes of women dancing in the rain and sex is sometimes hinted at by showing buzzing bees - his film shows a woman who likes sex.

Her face shows her enjoyment with sex, Bhatt said: "There's nothing sinful, there's nothing dirty."

What isn't in the movie, though, says as much about India's shifting sensibilities as what is. There's no outright nudity "because we understand that embarrasses the Indian viewer," Bhatt said, and the kissing was toned down because the government demanded it."Don't let her push her tongue into his mouth," Bhatt said censors told him.

India may be stereotyped in the West as a land of exoticism, sensuality and the Kama Sutra, the ancient book of sexual wisdom, but only in the past few years have sex and nudity become topics for public discussion.

Propelled by the spread of satellite and cable TV and the subsequent onslaught of far more graphic Western images, years of primness began to crumble: The thriving black market in pornography moved more into the open, skirts got shorter, TV shows grew more risque. In urban areas, at least - change comes much slower to rural India - sex came out of the shadows.

There's little agreement, though, on where the primness came from. Some say it's just natural Indian reserve. Others see a holdover of colonial Victorian attitudes, or the post-independence reaction against Western attitudes.

To some, it's simply a prudery that went haywire. "There is a need to talk about sex, not coyly, not tongue-in-cheek, but openly about sex," said Sathya Saran, editor of Femina, a woman's magazine popular among traditional, middle-class Indian women. While Femina has long been known for its recipes and **09**-rearing advice, it also now offers sexual advice, and even swimsuit pinups for male readers.

There's a generational shift, Saran said, that is visible anywhere young people are found. "Women are flaunting their bodies now - not in a negative way, but in an I-dress-for-myself way," she said.

Still, Saran says she had complaints about a recent edition that showed the cover model in her underwear. And even she won't go the route of India's edition of Cosmopolitan, which includes advice on exactly what a man should do to maximize a woman's pleasure.

Instead, it's sex without explicitness. "We keep the romance in," she said. "That's how we make it a little more, well, palatable."

If India is becoming more open about sex and nudity, it's hardly freewheeling. Start asking questions about sex and even some adults will laugh nervously. Some here are simply infuriated by the changes.

A toothpaste advertisement was banned from television in 2001 because it showed a kiss between a condemned prisoner and a uniformed woman prison officer. "I'm not a cultural policeman," Information and Broadcasting Minister Sushma Swaraj told journalists at the time. "But kissing is obscene."

Most people, though, find their own middle ground in the changing attitudes - accepting some increased openness, but uncomfortable with the unrelenting sexuality of the West. "Somehow, it is taking us away from the softer notions of Indian sexuality," said one New Delhi woman who asked that her name not be used, and who noted that Indian cinema and fashion were once famous for creating eroticism with just glimpses of bare skin. "That is a loss I think."

My read on India:

Sex and male/female relations are considered, in their best forms, as sacred.  Their gods are both male and female, and I don't perceive any male centeredness in what I've just been reading.  Add that to a large dose of Victorian and Buddhist prudery (they were occupied by the British and Mughal (1556-1707), apparently Buddhist & Jain), and you've got a sort of religious rejection of sex, at least in what they see as its crude form.  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2003, 12:09:48 AM »
In the furure there may not simply be a shortage of Indian models but Indian women period! Currently there are only 700 girls delivered per 1000 boys in urban areas of India due to the desire of families to have male children rather than girls. Increasing use of ultrasound for sex-selection abortions is so prevalent in twenty years the shortage of Indian brides will be quite real.
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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2003, 12:22:29 AM »
Sometime not too long after WW2 India split into India and Pakistan. India stayed mostly hindu and Pakistan was mostly muslim.


The other thing that may affect their mores to some degree is the caste system which supposedly officially no longer exists.


As for equating population with having things of a sensual or sexual nature in the open, well this is not right. As population comes from procreation. This is done out of the public view, so they know it happens, they know how to do it but they don't publicise it as such I am thinking.


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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2003, 12:41:15 AM »
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In the furure there may not simply be a shortage of Indian models but Indian women period! Currently there are only 700 girls delivered per 1000 boys in urban areas of India due to the desire of families to have male children rather than girls. Increasing use of ultrasound for sex-selection abortions is so prevalent in twenty years the shortage of Indian brides will be quite real.
What a shame.  




Actually, this is done for financial reasons, as they still have an expensive dowery system!  If it costs money to marry off your daughter, and males can be expected to take over the farm and support you (women often stay home), simple economics makes it desirable to have sons!

Of course, the best thing to do would be to change the system!  And if marriageable women become rare, then guess who really should have the power.  Not to mention they could have a population implosion (simple population fact, the # of births is dependent on the # of women, not men - one reason that population control of wild animals via hunting of males - ie Bucks as in deer, will never succeed).  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2003, 02:41:55 AM »
Actually, ElmerFudd, this is done for many reasons, both cultural and economic. The point, however, is that abortion for sex selection is just plain wrong. Deer have nothing to do with it.  

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Re: Why so few Indian/Pakastani models?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2003, 03:11:53 AM »
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Actually, ElmerFudd, this is done for many reasons, both cultural and economic. The point, however, is that abortion for sex selection is just plain wrong. Deer have nothing to do with it.  




I agree with what you said.  I was just pointing out  a non-morality related consequence.

P.S.  You are talking about a culture that is somewhat different than, say, the U.S.  Though it is kind of strange that you can't kill sacred cows, but aborting a fetus just because it's female is O.K.  Huh?