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Zatoichi

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When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« on: April 18, 2005, 11:29:46 AM »
I'm not sure who to address to, so I'll wait to see which representative of the BEA bites first.

In this particular post why exactly is the word c h i l d censored? With all the racist, cruel, sophmoric, and just plain stupid behaviour that goes on in this place, a legitimate discussion of HTML coding gets censored? What a load of bullshit. This kind of draconian censoring is useless anyways. What about using ch1ld? Or as I have done, just space the letters out?

FYI, The word c h i l d is used to describe an element in a HTML document which is directly contained by another element (the parent).

PS childchildchildchildchildchildchild
PPS children
PPPS That filter is AMAZINGLY effective</sarcasm>
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Palomine

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2005, 11:59:12 AM »
Though I had nothing to do with this decision (and only just learned about it after the fact, like you did) I think that I can shed some light on this. That word was NOT censored manually by a moderator or site rep... it was AUTOMATICALLY parsed and censored by the site software itself... there are now perhaps a dozen and a half 'bad words' on the list... all of these will AUTOMATICALLY be removed from posts when they're displayed.

I don't have all the details on it, but I'm given to understand that this is a manditory component of the BEA's service agreement (either with it's ISP, server colocation co, billing co or some combination thereof)... in that any instances of the 'bad words' appearing in the content of this site could simply result in the site being 'shut down.'

So, the 'bad words' will be automatically censored... it's just a business thing needed to keep the site healthy and in good standing with it's current ISP, etc... it's not some draconian crackdown of political correctness as you may have feared.

Sorry I don't have more info (I may be off on some detail, but I belive my gist is correct, perhaps Lori will elaborate if she feels it's necessary to do so) but I hope my response clarifies things for you somewhat.

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sheber

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »
My guess? Because the forum is cached in several places including search engines, would you want (c*h*i*l*d) or (u*n*d*e*r*a*g*e) appearing as a hit on an adult site?













sheb "Remember [censored] (okay, how about kindern?), everything you write here can be Googled. Just do a search for your screenname." er

Ha! The censure in my sig was unintended. It looks like I've found another buzzword.
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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 01:09:14 PM »
Quote:

My guess? Because the forum is cached in several places including search engines, would you want (c*h*i*l*d) or (u*n*d*e*r*a*g*e) appearing as a hit on an adult site?
sheb "Remember [censored] (okay, how about kindern?), everything you write here can be Googled. Just do a search for your screenname." er
Ha! The censure in my sig was unintended. It looks like I've found another buzzword.




Makes sense to me. If they define intended audience this way it does a lot for them in terms of jurisprudence because many of the laws which seek to over-regulate this industry are being thumped by the judiciary. It's smart. Unfortunate, but smart.

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Zatoichi

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 06:24:27 PM »
Palomine:
While I can understand if it's a TOS agreement, it still seems utterly ridiculous that [censored] and [censored] are censored (just FYI, underaged is not), but things like nigger, jap, kike and so on are A-OK. Well... nothing I can do about it, so I'll stop bitching (much to your relief I'm sure ).

sheber:
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Remember [censored] (okay, how about kindern?), everything you write here can be Googled. Just do a search for your screenname.



Go ahead, young one. Google my screen name. Tell me what page you get a hit on my BEA identity.

I won't even go into the absuridty of the search engine theory. Paranoia is what it is. Nevertheless, I too suspect this is the reasoning behind it.
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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2005, 07:33:47 PM »
Well, let's try this and see what gets tossed...

"I love words. I thank you for hearing my words.
I want to tell you something about words that I uh,
I think is important. I love..as I say, they're
my work, they're my play, they're my passion.
Words are all we have really.

We have thoughts, but thoughts are fluid. You
know, [humming]. And, then we assign a word to
a thought, [clicks tongue]. And we're stuck with
that word for that thought. So be careful with
words. I like to think, yeah, the same words
that hurt can heal. It's a matter of how you
pick them.

There are some people that aren't into all the
words. There are some people who would have you
not use certain words. Yeah, there are 400,000
words in the English language, and there are
seven of them that you can't say on television.
What a ratio that is. 399,993 to seven. They
must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous,
to be separated from a group that large. All of
you over here, you seven. Bad words. That's what
they told us they were, remember? 'That's a bad
word.' 'Awwww.' There are no bad words. Bad
thoughts. Bad Intentions.

And words, you know the seven don't you? Shit,
Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and
Tits, huh? Those are the heavy seven. Those are
the ones that will infect your soul, curve your
spine and keep the country from winning the war.

Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker,
and Tits, wow. Tits doesn't even belong on the
list, you know. It's such a friendly sounding
word. It sounds like a nickname. 'Hey, Tits,
come here. Tits, meet Toots, Toots, Tits, Tits,
Toots.' It sounds like a snack doesn't it? Yes,
I know, it is, right. But I don't mean the sexist
snack, I mean, New Nabisco Tits. The new Cheese
Tits, and Corn Tits and Pizza Tits, Sesame Tits
Onion Tits, Tater Tits, Yeah. Betcha can't eat
just one. That's true I usually switch off. But
I mean that word does not belong on the list.

Actually, none of the words belong on the list,
but you can understand why some of them are
there. I am not completely insensitive to
people's feelings. You know, I can dig why
some of those words got on the list...like
cocksucker and motherfucker. Those are...those
are heavy-weight words. There's a lot going on
there, man. Besides the literal translation and
the emotional feeling. They're just busy words.
There's a lot of syllables to contend with. And
those K's. Those are aggressive sounds, they
jump out at you. CocksuckerMotherfuckerCocksucker.
It's like an assault, on you. So I can dig that.

And we mentioned shit earlier, of course. Two
of the other 4-letter Anglo-Saxon words are
Piss and Cunt, which go together of course.
But forget about that. A little accidental
humor there. Piss and Cunt. The reason Piss
and Cunt are on the list is that a long time
ago certain ladies said 'Those are the two I
am not going to say. I don't mind Fuck and Shit,
but P and C are out. P and C are out.' Which
led to such stupid sentences as 'OK, you
fuckers, I am going to tinkle now.'

And of course the word Fuck. The word Fuck, I
don't really...well, this is some more accidental
humor, but I don't really want to get into that
now. Because I think it takes too long. But I
do mean that. I mean, I think the word fuck is
an important word. It's the beginning of life,
and, yet it's a word we use to hurt one other,
quite often. And uh, people much wiser than I
have said, I'd rather have my son watch a film
with two people making love than two people
trying to kill one other. And I of course agree.
I wish I know who said it first, and I agree
with that. But I would like to take it a step
further. I would like to substitute the word
fuck, for the word kill in all those movie
cliches we grew up with. 'Okay Sheriff, we're
gonna fuck ya now. But we're gonna fuck ya slow.'
So maybe next year I'll have a whole fuckin'
rap on that word. I hope so.

Uh, there are two-way words, but those are the
seven you can never say on television. Under any
circumstances you just can not say them ever,
ever ever, not even clinically. You can not
weave them in the panel with Doc and Ed and
Johnny, I mean it's just impossible, forget
those seven, they're out.

But, there are some two-way words. There are
double-meaning words. Remember the ones your
giggled at in sixth grade? 'And the cock crowed
three times.''Hey, the cock the cock crowed
three times. It's in the bible.' There are some
Two-way words, like it's okay for Kirk Goudy
to say 'Roberto Clemente has two balls on him.'
But he can't say, 'I think he hurt his balls
on that play Tony, don't you? He's holding them.
He must have hurt them by God.' And the other
two-way word that goes with that one is prick.
It's okay if it happens to your finger. Yes,
you can prick your finger, but don't finger
your prick. No, no."

Seven Dirty Words by George Carlin
"Every time you eat a steak, a hippy's hacky-sack goes in the gutter."
~ Patton Oswalt

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Scotchman

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2005, 07:35:37 PM »
Interesting. Nothing was censored. I guess I'll
go get some cheese tits and finger my prick.
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Chronicler

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2005, 10:30:29 PM »

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sheber

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2005, 01:27:39 AM »
Quote:

Palomine:
While I can understand if it's a TOS agreement, it still seems utterly ridiculous that [censored] and [censored] are censored (just FYI, underaged is not), but things like nigger, jap, kike and so on are A-OK. Well... nothing I can do about it, so I'll stop bitching <shrug> (much to your relief I'm sure ).

sheber:
Quote:

Remember [censored] (okay, how about kindern?), everything you write here can be Googled. Just do a search for your screenname.



Go ahead, young one. Google my screen name. Tell me what page you get a hit on my BEA identity.

I won't even go into the absuridty of the search engine theory. Paranoia is what it is. Nevertheless, I too suspect this is the reasoning behind it.




Don't get pissy with me Zat. Google my name and see what you find. And for your information, the forum did censor "underaged" in another post of mine. Strike that. Remove the "d" and you have the buzzword.



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sheber

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2005, 02:01:59 AM »
Here is the link to my previous post that was censored, just to prove I am an ass.

http://forum.bearchive.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=339604&page=&vc=1
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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2005, 02:20:15 AM »
I see it as a precaution against webspiders ... after all .. would you want someone looking for kiddypr0n to find this site from a google search, and decide it's ok to post about that topic here???

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2005, 04:29:48 AM »
  Well, I'll add my 2 eurocents, nothing useful to understand what's going on, just a commentary. I am telling you this, so you go on only if you are interested on an opinion from the old continent.


Kiddi+eporn is hideous, abusing the ones who cannot defend themselves is cruel, those people should all be hanging by their balls.

That said, and once I stated that I think it is theorically right to attack chil*pornography with any mean necessary, let me tell you sometimes we get ridicolous.

Now you cannot write the word chil* because there are some sicko around the planet? This is dumb. And it is dangerous:this way they will close any porno site because some pornosites show ki*ds.

It is like you won't eat anything in your life beacuse some food is not good for your health.  It is like you cannot pronounce the word food because this is the way they call those things they sell at McDonald's.

The whole pedophil*ia subject is getting out of hands.
If you see a young girl  and you want to say she's sexy, you have to ask her age. If today is her 18th birthday, you are ok. If she's 17 years and 364 days old, someone will scream you are an old dirty pervert. I remember Linsey McKenzy did her first naked videos when she was 16 and I can tell you she was a fully developed woman. I think LDM was sexy at age 16 and I can say I am not a ped+omaniac, and I can say I am sure of this.

Same thing is happening with smoke. Smoke is bad for your health, ok. But you see scenes like this: someone lights a cigarette on open air, and someone else is looking at him like he was a criminal attaempting at everyone's health. Then maybe the second guy, the one without the cigarette, is the one who uses the car not to walk a couple of blocks. And the car creates 100 times the pollution of 100 packs of cigarettes. But the smoker is the criminal.

What i mean is that for good reasons (fight chil*d abuse, preserve your health) sometimes we do stupid things and we do not face how our reactions go to the nonsense.

I cannot light a cigarette because it is unhealthy for the others, but everyone is entitled to drive a car if they do not walk 1/2 a mile.

I cannot write my 2 years old nephew is a chil*d because some sicko on the planet like to screw ki*ds.

This is crazy


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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2005, 07:07:55 AM »
Quote:

I see it as a precaution against webspiders ... after all .. would you want someone looking for kiddypr0n to find this site from a google search, and decide it's ok to post about that topic here???




That is exactly the issue. Not only do some of them have no other purpose but to log everything that is said, but many times it's taken out of context. Then again, trying to avoid tripping keywords might also look suspicious unless there is something else more concrete to let people know.

Anyone with half a brain can argue that a boob fetish is pretty much normal, so once they come here and see what the place is all about, it's probably no big deal on that front, but the government is also run just like any other business. If some spam bot trips a keyword and someone ends up here, they will likely start poking around looking for other junk to pick at because they have to make an excuse as to why they get such a bloated budget in the first place, and will blow as much of our your tax money out of their ass in a single heave as is possible.

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Re: When did this kind of overly sensitive BS start?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2005, 12:53:47 PM »
So, in a thread we cannot comment on, Lori posts this:

Quote:

 Perhaps all of you have already seen this (Censored) word appearing all arround.
Our processor CCBill has a list of Censored Words which of course cannot appear in the net, and therefore, should be avoided in our list (or the site would be shut down).
As you can imagine, I cannot list the words here either... but I am sure you all know already to which words I am referring to.  




Well .. I get to that last line, and I got to say ... I have to say .. NO .. I don't know what words you are refering to ... and if I don't, then most of the people here most likely don't either ...

Lemme clarify ... when I first saw the [censured], I assumed naturally that is was cuss words, but it's not .... it wasn't until this thread that I found out what the words are, and even now I don't know all of them.  I asked a mod what the words are, and he knew 4 of what he believed were a dozen and a half ... of which 2 made sense (they were mentioned above) ... and the other 2, while odd sexual fetishes, I wouldn't have thought would be on the list ... ok, one of those fetishes is 'illegal' .. but the other is ... it's just really disgusting and not appropriate for this site ...

So anyway ... my point is, it makes sense not to post the words, but since it's not a punishment for posting them, but for protection of this site, give us an idea what the words are ...

Are they only illegal sexual fetishes?  Or just alternative fetishes that aren't appropriate here?  Are new rules going to be added for people who consistently use these words?  Just curious

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