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NotElvis

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Re: Humm...
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2005, 09:47:45 PM »
Re the 900 lb leg press
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***This might sound like a crock, but you do a set with just one leg and there are ten 45 lb plates.... The gym doesn't actually have enough 45 lb plates to bring it up to 900, and besides, the machine in question doesn't have the room. Oh, and this was at the old gym; we still haven't figured out how to do this at the new gym.




Not at all.  I'm definitely what you'd call a pretty small guy (5'8", 145 lbs) . . I remember at the gym I used to go to there was a guy who was about my height, and quite massively developed in the upper body, but his legs were only slightly bigger than mine.  At the knee and below we were about the same, though his thighs were a little larger.

He went to the leg-press machine . . put 45s on each side of the barbell, piled a few on the panel on top, then had his friend sit on it.  I did some calculating, and figured it was in the 1100-1200 range.

I doubt I could do half that.  But to look at this guy's legs, well, you'd never guess he could manage it.

The human legs can be incredibly strong.  The weak point is the design of the human knee, which necessitates great care in how the press is done.

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KungFuHippie

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Re: Humm... (MasterDragonFly's & Collared Cherri's weightlifting PRs)
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2006, 10:08:14 PM »
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Me:

Military press:  300
Bench:  320
Incline dumbbell bicep curl:  50*
Seated row:  190
One-arm kneel row:  90
Deadlift:  360**
Shrugs:  270
Leg press:  900***

My wife:

Military press:  300
Bench:  310
Incline dumbbell bicep curl:  50
Seated row:  140
One-arm kneel row:  70
Deadlift:  90*
Shrugs:  180
Leg press:  900





I just stumbled across this thread and I would like to thank you for providing the above information. An ultrabusty woman becoming so strong all the weights in her gym no longer provide a challenge for her is something out of one of my dreams With a 310 lb. bench press, Cherri could do great in a powerlifting contest. Have your and Cherri's weightlifting maximums increased in the year since this was posted? Thanks for any updates you can provide.

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siliconefreaks

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Re: Humm...
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2006, 02:00:16 PM »
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You are the second person in two days to ask me that very question. The other request though really set me back a bit. It was written by a young lady in a "third world" country. In her country, and those around her, marriages are arranged. The usual method is to have mother shop for a bride for her son, and she is almost always the decision maker on the union. Apparently small breasts are viewed as a sign of poor fertility by the women, even though the more learned ones know that this is not true. As a result, there are any number of "poorly conceived plans" to increase breast size in those countries. Apparently the vendor of this information is the local beauty salon. Apparently, some women are never married and they attribute this to having small breasts.




Interesting.  So in a sense, having larger breasts would make one more marriageable.  Or more marketable, in corp-speak.

The selfish gene strikes again.  This seems to be the one thing which transcends all cultures.

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This really tugs at my heart strings. I suppose that I can write one, but there are a number of challenges. First of all, I would have to use a pen name, as a book on growing breast in minor children would not be looked upon with much favor here in the States. I would also have to confront language barriers and pharmacological differences. But I am guessing that I will write one, and see what happens. I will be happy to post here when that happens, or at least mention that I know of a book that was published.




Sounds fab.  Bear in mind that this isn't the only issue which confronts parents as they prepare their progeny for adulthood, although it may be one of the more charged issues.  For example, parents will subject their progeny to orthodontia in order to improve their marketability in the workforce and in the marriage marketplace.  If someone put it in another perspective, "So, you want to force them to experience pain and social embarrasment?" this could open a can of worms.

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HGH is not a waste at all, and it can indeed add muscle to just about anyone. There are two main problems with it. First, it MUST be supervised by a physician. You would have to have an initial blood test to estabish a base line, and then follow ups every three months. Insurance would not pay for this as you would not be treating any current illness.  Second, HGH is very expensive. It is adminstered by injection, and each injection (adult dosages) costs between $12 and $18. Add in the doctor visit, the lab work and one shot per day, and things get expensive quickly.




Bloody hell.

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As to the value of HGH, well, you have to remember that the medical community moves very, very slowly. Also, there are always two sides to any issue and there are two sides to this one. Sadly, because HGH is used so infrequently, there is no drug company willing to invest in establishing a protocol for the hormone except for its current uses.




Seems to parallel the issues surrounding breast augmentation.

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As with any drug, physicians are free to prescribe it for what ever reason that they want, and more are doing so. There are two areas that I find great interest in, that are sadly, probably decades away from implementation in the general medical community. Those areas are for surgical pre and posttreatment, and second, heart revitalization.




Hey now, you've hit on yet something else interesting.  I'm 45, and my dad died of congestive heart failure at age 54.  But his lifestyle (and body type) was different than mine is.  Not saying I'm bulletproof.  Which is why this angle suddenly has my interest.

While I'm keen on weight training, cardio work is my Achilles' heel.  As a result, I don't much care for it.  Would love to improve on that (short of taking the "I don't like this, but it needs to be done" approach).

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The surgery aspect has been noted, and for those over 50, bringing there HGH levels up to those of the average 25 year old has shown to reduce healing times substantially. In people over 70, it cuts the surgical recovery time in half.




This is very helpful info to have for the future.  Or in my case, the not-so-distant future.

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I imagine that it will take a long time for cardiologists to begin implementing HGH, and that is unfortunate as well. In people over 50, ( and naturally the benefit increases with age) the difference in the composition and amount of heart muscle is obvious. But that is another area where the costs play a factor, and giving HGH to everyone that could benefit it would make a large dent in the country's medical budget.




Erm, a dent which way?  Obviously there's a cost associated with it.  I take it you're also saying that a small cost on this end means a big savings on the other end?

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For you to get HGH, you have to go to a physican that has a protocol to hang his hat on. Defensive medicine is the name of the game, and without a society to say that the treatment that you get is normal, the physician is at risk.
That leaves you to visit Anti Aging Physicians, and Sports Medicine Physcians. The Anti-Aging group is much bigger, and they have a web site called the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine--- A4M. If you type in anti aging in your browser you should fine the A4M site easily and they have a physician referral program.




Duly noted.  And given that I'm getting older, I just might be able to play that card.  

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AS to your question about your being unable to add muscle there are many fields to explore, and certainly I cannot do more than touch on the generalities. But with that proviso, lets go;

First, are your exercises designed to build muscle, or strength. The muscle building exercises involve resistance (weight lifting) done with large resistance and short sets. The idea is to exhauste the muscle shortly.

Athletes that train for strength, such as endurance runners, swimmers, cyclists, do not have the same builds as a weight lifter.




I didn't want to get into this (considering the topic is on a fair tangent already), but here goes:

After having read various publications on Power Factor Training and Static Contraction training by Peter Sisco, I can honestly say this program (or at least a suitably modified version thereof) is working, both for me and my wife.  Training only in the strongest range.  Give the muscles time to recover (instead of overdoing it 5+ days per week).  As a result, our strength gains have been steady, but they're definitely there.  Doing the "old school" approach didn't work for me (and I'm not saying that others who love "old school" shouldn't do it; if that's what they enjoy doing, then more power to them).  In a couple areas we may have plateaued, but given the weight, I'm not too concerned.  In these cases, there are other factors which are really causing the limitations, such as pain in palms/wrists during bench press, despite gloves/neoprene pads.  If you saw my hands, you'd say they were the hands of a piano player or a surgeon, not of a weight trainer.

Here are the guidelines for our modified approach:

- work only in the strongest range (no full-range exercises)
- do a warmup set with 20-30% of the previous workout's best (for that exercise)
- aim to add at least 10% over the last workout's best
- if you can't get it off the pins, it's too heavy
- if you can do 20 reps, it's too light - add more weight for the next set
- aim for 5-12 reps per set
- if you think you can't get another rep off, do a static contraction until failure
- make the contraction quick (without swinging); hold for 1 sec, make the release slow (don't drop the weight)
- do at least one set; don't beat yourself up if you're not regularly doing at least 3 sets; aim for at least 3 sets if you can, 4-5 sets if you're feeling particularly energetic; when you're 'cooked', you're done

So, some examples of weights achieved during our last visits to the gym (typically we do 1-3 different exercises per visit).

Me:

Military press:  300
Bench:  320
Incline dumbbell bicep curl:  50*
Seated row:  190
One-arm kneel row:  90
Deadlift:  360**
Shrugs:  270
Leg press:  900***

*We just moved to our current location a few weeks back.  The current gym's largest dumbbells are 50 lbs, whereas the last gym's went to 100.  Last time I did this exercise there, I did 75.  We're bugging the management to get larger dumbbells.

**This was 450 at the old gym.  The Smith machine at the new gym isn't the same design, so it's not quite as safe as the old gym.  Also, the new gym doesn't have enough large plates to go this high.  Yet.  We're working on them to update the gym.

***This might sound like a crock, but you do a set with just one leg and there are ten 45 lb plates....  The gym doesn't actually have enough 45 lb plates to bring it up to 900, and besides, the machine in question doesn't have the room.  Oh, and this was at the old gym; we still haven't figured out how to do this at the new gym.

My wife:

Military press:  300
Bench:  310
Incline dumbbell bicep curl:  50
Seated row:  140
One-arm kneel row:  70
Deadlift:  90*
Shrugs:  180
Leg press:  900

*This was previously 180, but she felt she still hadn't recovered from the move to do more.

I've also got a couple publications from Pavel Tsatsouline on stretching and training without equipment, and would like to progress more along those lines.  This is the classic "I gotta get off my ass and do this" issue.  Ditto kettlebell training.

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Second, if you lift weight, you destroy muscles. To build it back, you need s good Protein supplement. You do not have to get carried away with that supplement as your body can only process a set amount of protein at one time, and any more would simply be eliminated. I would suggest 50 to 60 grams of Whey Isolate Protein, usually consumed in a shake form every day. Add to that a good vitamin and mineral supplement.




Another thing about lifting weights and destroying muscles:  I subscribe to the school of thought that they need time to repair, instead of living at the gym and never giving them time to recover.  Others may not agree; I want to reiterate that this programme has been the best out of anything I've ever tried.  For me.  If others find something which works better for them, cool.

We were doing the protein shakes for a while there.  This is one aspect we've let lapse.

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The next area gets into endocrinolgy. To explain that in detail here is not possible, so I will touch on the high points.  I imagine that you are suspecting that your testosterone may be a bit low. Indeed it may be. The inability to add muscle mass (assuming that is your intent, and you are exercising to build that muscle mass) is one sign of a testosterone shortage.




Plus, I may be genetically predisposed to this shape.  Regardless, I'd like to take the extropian approach and improve on what I have, if possible, and if the risks are reasonably low.

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AS to what you can do by yourself, without seeing a physican, and without getting in trouble with "steroid" misuse, you have three items to work with. They are Pregnenolone, DHEA, and Diindolymethane (DIM). Pregnenolone and DHEA are both hormone that are sold over the counter. Dim is a vegetable based pill that inhibits Aromatase, which is the enzyme that converts testosterone into estradiol (the most biologically active and predominant estrogen). By taking Dim pills you serve to reduce your estrogen levels.




Excellent.  All noted, thanks!  You don't mention whether DIM is available over the counter or not, so I'm curious where to go to get this.

I was actually doing DHEA for quite some time.  I wasn't certain it was doing anything for me, but my wife is now telling me that that (plus the protein) seemed to be making the difference.

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If you are going to do this yourself, the items above will not hurt you, nor cause you any grief. If you are 25 to 35 years old, take 50 mg of Pregnenolone, and 25 mg of DHEA per day. If you are 35 to 45, you can take 100 mg of Pregnenolone and 50 mg of DHEA a day. If this makes much difference to you, you may feel muscle growth in a few weeks, but you may feel an increase in libido in a day or two. If you do feel a bit more of a tingle, then you are certainly on the right track.




Okay, so maybe my DHEA intake wasn't high enough.  Makes sense.

And I'll keep an eye out for the tingles.  

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After you have taken the Progesterone and DHEA for a couple of weeks, then start taking 240 to 960 mg a day of DIM pills. Again, if they are working, you MAY feel an increase in libido, and then, you may not.




/me scribbles down notes furiously

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After you get that far, and do not have any success, then it is time to visit your local Sports Medicine, or Anti Aging, or maybe a Holistic Health practitioner. Get the blood tests to test for testosterone, and don't forget to do get an Estradiol test as part of the package.




Will do.

[...testosterone stuff snipped...]

No worries then.  We'll steer clear of this.

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To take your thought one step further, (and I am smiling on this one) the thought process that you have shown here is a common one, but one that is pretty much unnecessary. If your goal is to cause your wife to be very responsive, or perhaps even fantastically responsive, and capable of having say a hundred orgasms in one evening, well, that can be done. Actually, I am about half way done with the book that tells all in this field. The name of the book is "The Plane of Orgasms" and I hope to have it published in the early spring of next year. In it is the knowledege of how to:
1. Put your wife into a continuous state of orgasm (The Plane of Orgasms)
2. How to change her responsiveness forever so that she can go from a state of non arousal to orgasm in under 2 minutes, and usually under a minute (as an example, my wife took 8 seconds tonight to go from non arousal to orgasm, and had about 40 O's in 15 minutes)
3. How to have her fall much more deeply in love with you.

And more. Please know that I will not be offended in the least if you do not believe anything that I have just written. No one else does either, with the exception of those that I have taught how to do this. They know exactly how it is done and are very enthusiastic about the whole thing.  




Heh.  Well actually, you're preaching to the converted.    And a hundred for us (more accurately:  for her) in an evening is a good warmup.  A good cadence is about 1 orgasm every 3 seconds.  400-600 is a pretty decent evening, and when I'm feeling particularly festive, 1000+.

For us, this doesn't (usually) have much to do with the Plane of Orgasms, as that's a route I don't often take her down.  Except that we don't call it the Plane of Orgasms, we call it the Runaway Train.  (... clickety-clack... down the track...)  We do have our particular activities that we enjoy, which tends to stop us from getting wildly experimental.  Not that we're complaining, mind you.  (For the cynical:  No, this is not drug- or alcohol-induced.)

I suspect some percentage of it might be hypnosis on some level, although I'm far from being an authority on hypnotism.  A good chunk of it no doubt pertains to our chemistry, my voice, our energy or 'chi', and (obviously) lifestyle.

Having said that, I would still be very interested in getting your book.

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Hmmmm, sorry for the plug, I would not have mentioned it except your question about the testosterone on the clitoris item.

Hope that I have been helpful.




No worries, no worries at all.  As always, your post has been chock full of great info.  



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TheZookie007

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Re: Humm...
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2017, 06:02:30 AM »
Hi greedy!


To take your thought one step further, (and I am smiling on this one) the thought process that you have shown here is a common one, but one that is pretty much unnecessary. If your goal is to cause your wife to be very responsive, or perhaps even fantastically responsive, and capable of having say a hundred orgasms in one evening, well, that can be done. Actually, I am about half way done with the book that tells all in this field. The name of the book is "The Plane of Orgasms" and I hope to have it published in the early spring of next year. In it is the knowledege of how to:
1. Put your wife into a continuous state of orgasm (The Plane of Orgasms)
2. How to change her responsiveness forever so that she can go from a state of non arousal to orgasm in under 2 minutes, and usually under a minute (as an example, my wife took 8 seconds tonight to go from non arousal to orgasm, and had about 40 O's in 15 minutes)
3. How to have her fall much more deeply in love with you.


It's exactly 12 years later. Any news about this book? I would love to get my hands on it!
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