MERGED: The Politics Thread

[JJ]

With few exceptions (unfortunately those few are pretty glaring), Pres. Obama has done just about everything he said he would do once he got into office, and that in the face of too often heedless opposition. You have to give it up to him.

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Yeah, he's a model of consistency, that 'Bama man with his 90 days of Senate experience in D.C. and his heavy, heavy days of community consulting on Chicago's South Side.

In the U.S. Senate he voted against the Bush Surge in Iraq; said it would never work; said all the "experts" were on his side.

Candidate Obama promised to end both wars and bring the boys home.

President Obama put more troops into Afghanistan.  
President Obama just took full credit for thinking up the strategy, known as the Surge, to settle Iraq, allowing him to remove some troops in exactly the fashion Bush planned for.

He certainly has "done just about everything" he said he would.

Really brought us together too!  

[Real]

who thinks or claims obama invented the surge jj?

lol, lord forbid a politician sees something works and adopts it as a policy instead of just playing partisan obstructionist to the death.  he says something wouldnt work, then it does.  so when he gets into office he puts it into action.  wow, that almost sounds like a politician doing something that works in spite of partisanship by reflex.

i can see how this would totally puzzle and confuse a conservative who would call mirrors of reagan policy "socialism" just so they can disagree with the other guy.


But republicans can talk surge until theyre blue in the face, we still wont forget who lied to start a war of choice and convenience for neo-cons in the first place.   Tens of thousands dead and a trillion spent to depose one of the many world tyrants who posed no imminent threat to the us whatsoever.

The job Obama has done in specifically tidying up this mess has been exceptional.

And all the right has to sling is the fact that Obama has proven himself more interested in military success than partisan political obstructionism with servicepersons' lives in the balance.

This, as usual, is the opposite of republicans who sent too few troops in the first place.  Trying to prove themselves politically with millitary lives as pawns.

Once again Obama shows true leadership and the right has nothing to respond with but venom and accusations that ...... he reversed his position for the betterment of military servicepeople.  Something the power hungry right certainly sees as most distasteful of all...


Those are some nice talking points you lifted from the guy who had said criticism of the president during wartime is treason though.  Sorry, i know having everything both ways is the teatard's favorite..

[Siria]

Candidate Obama promised to end both wars and bring the boys home.

I know facts are kind of lost on you, but Candidate Obama did not promise bring an immediate end to the war in Afghanistan. He promised to end the War in Iraq, which while it is behind schedule, is indeed happening. On the campaign trail he did promise to continue fighting the war in Afghanistan until the job was done and we have seen that in his presidency.

But again, I realize that you're either a troll or a resident alien from a bizarre parallel reality.

[onion_writer]

Our resident teatard is trolling. Please don't feed the troll.

[number3fac]

All this time and upheaval later, and my original intuition is borne out.

But he's President 44.  I have a pet hypothesis for hoping for President 47 -- but that's another story.

Are you thinking about 2024?

If so, I share the hypothesis.

Well, my interest is peaked...what's this hypothesis?

On a slightly-more-topic-related note, does it matter if Obama is an atheist...how does that make him any less capable of fulfilling his duties as President?  I would think that not believing in God means that Obama'd have to trust that the capabilities of his countrymen are up to the task of making the country (and the world) a better place (rather than hoping for Godlike intervention to "fix" things)...a view that would only be detrimental if US citizens (of any political alignment) are fundamentally deficient.  And not believing in God's judgement and/or any afterlife He may grant to the deceased would also imply that the President would have to concern himself solely with the real world we all inhabit, as it is therefore the only existence of any consquence...making it that much more important to improve the world (for ourselves and future generations).  At least, that's the perspective I think an atheist would bring (in general, but also to the office of President); if there's some other attitude that people should be concerned about, I'd be interested in hearing it.

[JJ]

Mid Term Elections coming up.................


How bad is it for Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats?

1. The public doesn't think much of the congressional Republicans!

2. They like the congressional Democrats A LOT LESS!


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 In Jimmy Carter’s White House, Patrick Caddell was, in the words of Teddy White, the “house Cassandra” — an all-too-candid pollster whose prophecies spooked the president’s other advisors. Three decades later, Caddell again is warning his fellow Democrats about electoral doom. As he sips an iced tea over lunch in midtown Manhattan, Caddell sighs and tells me that the lessons of the Carter years appear to be all but forgotten by the current crop of Democrats in Washington.

“President Obama’s undoing may be his disingenuousness,” Caddell says. After campaigning for post-partisanship, Obama, he observes, has lurched without pause to the left. “You can’t get this far from what you promised,” Caddell says, “especially when people invest in hope — you must understand that obligation. The killer in American politics is disappointment. When you are elected on expectations, and you fail to meet them, your decline steepens.”

In 1979, as Carter’s poll numbers slid south amidst a sagging economy, Caddell drafted a memo to the president urging him to recognize that the nation was “deep in crisis.” Gazing upon today’s electoral landscape, Caddell paints an even bleaker picture. “We may be at a pre-revolutionary moment,” he says, unsmiling. “Everything is in motion.” This November, he predicts, “will be more of a national referendum than any [midterm election] since Watergate.”

The polling data show how restless the country is. “A Rasmussen poll from earlier this year showed just 21 percent of voters believing that the federal government enjoys the consent of the governed — an astounding figure,” Caddell says. “Then a CNN poll showed that 56 percent of Americans worried that the federal government poses a direct threat to their freedom.”

“Democrats are aware of this,” Caddell continues. “They know that the general outcome is baked.” As the fall campaign kicks into gear, “the question now becomes whether Obama can mitigate their losses. You see them trying to localize their campaigns and pretending that they don’t know Nancy Pelosi. It’s all rather amusing.”

Unlike President Reagan at his first-term midpoint, in 1982, “Obama is not able to go out there and say, ‘Stay the course.’ That’s just not possible. The Democrats’ hope with health care was that ‘people will like it after we pass it.’ Well, they hate it, and you don’t see any effort to promote it. The Democrats had a chance to do this right — most people supported aspects of reform — but because of the way it was passed, as a crime against democracy, the country has simply not accepted it. The lies, the browbeating, the ‘deem and pass’ — all of it was a suicide mission.”

On Monday, Gallup released a new weekly poll showing Republicans leading Democrats by an unprecedented ten-point margin, 51 to 41 percent, in congressional voting preferences — the largest gap in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot. “I have never seen numbers like this,” Caddell says, shaking his head. “Unless Republicans can find some way to screw it up, they will win big, even though nobody really likes them, either.”

Indeed, rather than a ringing endorsement of either major party, Caddell sees November as a broader referendum on the political class — the class, he says, to which Obama, and his political fate, are irrevocably tied.

“Democrats used to be the voice of the common man in America, not his dictator,” Caddell laments. “Now, with Wall Street, their mantra is, ‘We’ll take your money, but we won’t kiss.’ The people who own the party — George Soros, the Center for American Progress, the public-employee union bosses, rich folks flying private jets to ‘ideas festivals’ in Aspen — they’re Obama’s base.”

Patrick Caddell
Democrat political adviser


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245438/caddell-midterm-elections-robert-costa

[stunning36hh]

JJ, you single-handedly keep these liberals' nuts 'a cookin!  YEAH!  Keep it up! 

[3deroticer]

JJ, you single-handedly keep these liberals' nuts 'a cookin!  YEAH!  Keep it up!  

Yeah I admire how he ignore the fact. Keep it up, because we want to know what the next fictional lemonade your drinking next!

http://www.mypeoplesvoice.com/the-truth-about-the-e-mail-written-by-eddie-sessions/

I'm guessing this will be the next brouhaha, so I am one step ahead here.

here is a good clip by Rachel Maddow that honestly defend "JJ" views that the liberal are turning on Obama, because this is what he hears in the media.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38824813#38824813

[JJ]

Our Man in Washington, the 'Bama man.....................................

.............no need for the Secret Service.   

[Real]

America's corporate media being biased in a Liberal fashion is the single biggest lark foisted on Americans.  And that is saying something.

In fact, someday the way the American media layed down during the buildup of lies leading to the Iraq war in 02-03 so they could keep up with Fox in the ratings will be the subject of academic study.

Its actually very plain for anyone to see, unless you're a member of the new American right who wear victimhood like a badge of honor.

debate / discussion im willing to have with anyone who's interested.

or you could just move on to the next copy / paste since you dont think for yourself anyways.

[pedonbio]

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[3deroticer]

America's corporate media being biased in a Liberal fashion is the single biggest lark foisted on Americans.  And that is saying something.

In fact, someday the way the American media layed down during the buildup of lies leading to the Iraq war in 02-03 so they could keep up with Fox in the ratings will be the subject of academic study.

Its actually very plain for anyone to see, unless you're a member of the new American right who wear victimhood like a badge of honor.

debate / discussion im willing to have with anyone who's interested.

or you could just move on to the next copy / paste since you dont think for yourself anyways.

Quite interesting as FOXnews is the only media that declare themselves to be entertainment and not news under FCC rules in order to avoid prosecution for reporting lies. So the other new station is competing with a fictional cable show for ratings.

Under that last cartoon about Obama shielding himself behind the protection of the media, FOXnews is not one of them, which sort of mean to me that under FCC ruling they even acknowledge that FOXnews is not under the same category with the rest, or that FOXnews is so paranoid that they are the only one telling it like what they perceived to be the truth.

John Stewart daily show tells more truth on his show than most of the news show, that I wonder if under the FCC ruling they could be consider a news show. If that the case, then I think Samantha B should have Helen Thomas old seat!

[number3fac]

John Stewart daily show tells more truth on his show than most of the news show, that I wonder if under the FCC ruling they could be consider a news show. If that the case, then I think Samantha B should have Helen Thomas old seat!

Much as I like Samantha B, how much cooler would it be for Olivia Munn (who's recently joined TDS's lineup) to get that seat?   

[JJ]

America's corporate media, biased in a Liberal fashion is the single biggest hindrance foisted on Americans.  And that is saying something.

In fact, someday the way the American media layed down during the buildup of lies leading to the election of President Barack Hussein Obama so they could keep up with Fox in the ratings will be the subject of academic study.

Its actually very plain for anyone to see, unless you're a member of the new American left who wear victimhood like a badge of honor.

debate / discussion im willing to have with anyone who's interested.

or you could just move on to the next copy / paste since you dont think for yourself anyways.

[stunning36hh]

40 hour work week?!  Wow, that'd be nice for those of us working 65 - 80 hours a week, but then some of us aren't content with "just putting in our time".  We want something amazing out of this life and thank the constitution that we have the freedom to make it happen, even if it takes those 65-80 hours a week to do it.

[Shara]

I, a non-american am glad with my 45-hour week workday, so I can take a studies in the evening hours

[Siria]

40 hour work week?!  Wow, that'd be nice for those of us working 65 - 80 hours a week, but then some of us aren't content with "just putting in our time".  We want something amazing out of this life and thank the constitution that we have the freedom to make it happen, even if it takes those 65-80 hours a week to do it.

If you have an 80-hour workweek your job is your life. Frankly, if you want something amazing out of life you're not going to get it working 80-hours a week because you end up with little time for anything else.

Unless of course your job is amazing.

[Real]

America's corporate media, biased in a Liberal fashion is the single biggest hindrance foisted on Americans.  And that is saying something.

In fact, someday the way the American media layed down during the buildup of lies leading to the election of President Barack Hussein Obama so they could keep up with Fox in the ratings will be the subject of academic study.

Its actually very plain for anyone to see, unless you're a member of the new American left who wear victimhood like a badge of honor.

debate / discussion im willing to have with anyone who's interested.

or you could just move on to the next copy / paste since you dont think for yourself anyways.

awesome.  congrats JJ.  im really suspicious of your second last line to be honest though.  i think the rest of your post is wrong, but certainly your opinion.  that particular copy/paste of what i wrote though, i think that's a lie.  i guess we'll see.

there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq.  no evidence of operational links between iraq and al-qaeda whatsoever and yet the american public were still presented with these "facts" in the leadup to the iraq war.  even going so far as to let the president insinuate that yellow cake uranium was being used to advance a nuclear program, when that particular type of uranium simply cannot  be used to make a nuclear bomb.  please, if i'm factually wrong anywhere in there call me out.

what lies were involved in obama's election? and how did fox take the lead in telling those lies forcing the other stations to follow their liberal lead? also, what is your main intention in invoking the president's middle name?

congrats on joining the discussion JJ, I await your reply.

[3deroticer]

A debate from "JJ"?

be sure to inform everyone when you plan on doing this, we've been waiting for a long time! This I gotta see!

[onion_writer]

To beat a dead horse, this thread has become the Everyone vs. JJ thread. Which is a shame.

I would welcome intelligent posts from the type of honorable conservatives of days past. Heck, I was going to vote for McCain until he picked Palin!

Instead, this has become a birther teatard thread.

I honestly miss the old-fashioned mainstream Republicans, who had sincere differences, who fought hard, but who wanted to find common ground from which to govern, for the good of all.

I refuse to even acknowledge JJ's posts from now on.

I wish someone in the Republican party would stand up and say:

"Now, hold on! Yes, we have some severe disagreements with the president. But this shrill extremism dishonors us all and gives comfort to our enemies.

"FOX is not the Republican party, and extremism is not the basis for governance. We disavow the commentators and pundits.

"If you want to know what the GOP thinks, just come to the GOP and ask us. We speak for ourselves, and we speak best when not heard through the filters of our dubious broadcasting 'helpers.' 

"Read all the newspapers you can. Weigh the issues for yourselves. Question all authority. Come to your own conclusions. We're confident that, after doing so, you will believe in our party.

"But -- whatever you do -- whether Republican, Democrat or independent -- don't let others do your thinking for you! The minute you give up your freedom of critical thought is the minute this ceases to become a democracy."

[TheZookie007]

I wish someone in the Republican party would stand up and say:

"Now, hold on! Yes, we have some severe disagreements with the president. But this shrill extremism dishonors us all and gives comfort to our enemies.

"FOX is not the Republican party, and extremism is not the basis for governance. We disavow the commentators and pundits.

"If you want to know what the GOP thinks, just come to the GOP and ask us. We speak for ourselves, and we speak best when not heard through the filters of our dubious broadcasting 'helpers.' 

"Read all the newspapers you can. Weigh the issues for yourselves. Question all authority. Come to your own conclusions. We're confident that, after doing so, you will believe in our party.

"But -- whatever you do -- whether Republican, Democrat or independent -- don't let others do your thinking for you! The minute you give up your freedom of critical thought is the minute this ceases to become a democracy."

Exactly. That is exactly what they need to do. The second they do such a thing, a lot of the disrespect I personally have for what passes for the leadership of the RNC will be dissipated. I am longing, seriously longing, for them to do such a thing. But when it comes to a choice of doing what is politically expedient, and doing what is right...far too many times, they choose the former over the latter. And everyone in this nation is the loser when that happens. Truly.

[3deroticer]

Could make the same argument for Christianity! How many christian take the word of the bible from a bible thumper instead of reading it for themselves and use critical thinking in their own interpretation?

These days a non-christian candidate couldn't run for the oval office and win on a campaign.

There was an interesting article about Ronald Reagan and if he was running for president today, that he would be on the democratic ticket for being too liberal more than Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/who-is-more-conservative_b_638947.html

[JJ]

The numbers are getting worse for Democrats amid a darkening economic picture. The unemployment rate ticked up to 9.6 percent in August, and Obama is in the middle of unrolling a set of new economic proposals aimed at fueling job growth for an expanding labor pool.
He continues to cast Republicans as resistant to every economic proposal he's put on the table.
"When it comes to just about everything we've done to strengthen our middle class, to rebuild our economy, almost every Republican in Congress says, no," Obama said in Milwaukee Monday.
"Even on things we usually agree on, they say, no. If I said the sky was blue, they'd say, no. If I said fish live in the sea, they'd say, no."

But Republican strategist Brad Blakeman, former adviser to George W. Bush, suggested Republicans cannot be blamed for failed policies.
 
"Desperate people do desperate things. This president's policies have not been working," he said. "The American people understand that in 2008, they gave them the keys to the kingdom. They gave them the House, the Senate and the White House -- with high majorities.

There's not much that the Republicans could have done."
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                             Real Clear Politics Poll
Job Approval                Approve           Disapprove          Spread
Obama                45.8%           49.9%          -4.1%
Congress                23.0%          72.0%          -49.0%
Direction of Country                Right Dir          Wrong Track           Spread
RCP Average                31.8%          61.2%          -29.4%

Repeat:  Democrats controlled the White House,
the House,
the Senate.

And the reason for failed policies is.............................Bush?...who hasn't been in office for nearly two years? 

And the reason for failed policies is.............................Republicans?....who have been in the MINORITY for nearly two years? 

Time for a real LOL 

[onion_writer]

Please ignore the petulant one sitting in his corner. Let's instead have new posts with serious discussions of important issues.

For example, I am more and more stricken by the observation that America is increasingly ruled by fear. Fear of the other, fear of the future, fear of the unknown. The planned idiot burning of the Koran in Florida is the smallest example ( Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100907/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning )

Whatever happened to "Do unto others"?

I have never before so realized the importance of FDR's statement that, "The only thing we have to fear . . . is fear itself." Perhaps the president and others should speak to Americans who are so fearful on so many fronts? I know I'd welcome it.

[Real]

yep, and were on to the next random opinion piece.

told you you were lying jj, you should be more careful with the things you cut and paste that you dont really mean.  that's okay though, if i was working with a brain capacity comparable to yours i too would probably be afraid to make the arguments i said i was going to.

and of course republicans are going to tell people that the 100 year economic dive they sent the country into should have been sorted after 2 years.

i wouldnt doubt that more and more americans take this veiwpoint, what with the corporate media and their conservative bias.  i mean 70% of americans are so inclined to buy into right wing fearmongering they actually thought invading iraq was a smart idea.  

now they gain steam as the only thing weve been told for absolute certain about their economic plan is that over half a trillion is going to be borrowed from china so the rich can keep their 2 wars 1 depression tax cut.  history has just recently proven this to be very sound economics for the rich people republicans serve, as they golden parachuted their way to a safe landing when the whole thing near crashed..

as if it didnt already, im afraid the obstinate right will have america utterly on its knees before people wake up.

[JJ]

He said.................

To beat a dead horse, this thread has become the Everyone vs. JJ   thread. Which is a shame.

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Wrong!
Many others have posted support for JJ posts in this thread.  For some reason, they choose not to post much beyond that.

Maybe it's because the bulk of the BEA membership tends to be leftist in political and social thinking.  That has never been a secret.

What appears to be unusual is for a Conservative to be a BEA member and contributor.  

The original JJ membership was with the original BEA, which existed during the latter years of the 20th century.  Then the BEA went down and was totally recreated with all members having to resubscribe.

When the new BEA resurfaced in June of 2001, there was a rush on the part of old members to register.  I believe JJ is shown as member #54 in the new BEA.  There are now some 68,000 members registered with the BEA.

However it should be pointed out that the BEA tilt to the left is not represented across the country.  There, some 40% claim to be Conservative, some 20% claim to be moderate and some 20% claim to be liberal.

When Obama ran, he claimed to be a centrist, even a conservative in terms of monetary policy.  Obama claimed he was for balanced budgets, fair taxes, sensible use of government to serve people.

He has been nothing of the kind, using his White House base to launch a radical spending spree on the country, designed to make people dependent on him and his party for all sorts of goodies from health care to building dikes to shutting down oil wells.

Radical Leftists who supported him say he has still not done enough.  That is truly scary.

But more moderate elements of the Democrat Party are beginning to run away from him, sensing that he is poison to their reelection efforts.  Let's see how many House and Senate and Gubernatorial candidates he actually campaigns with this Fall?

We on the other side have been horrified at what he, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have strong-armed their way to these past eighteen months.  You will see a reaction to and some results of the above in the coming elections.

JJ-

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Again, contrary to much of the off-topic and misguided posts in this thread, the above represents original thinking by, oh, no, could it be, yes it is.......JJ!

A clue to the clueless -

JJ does something most Leftists and most of those on the Right for that matter do NOT do - he reads and watches political thought from the other side (that would be the Left) on a regular basis.

For example, JJ regularly watches the formerly respected but now clown-like commentator Keith Overbyte every night along with heavy doses of CNN (where nearly everyone is from the Left), Rachel Maddow (for a view from the GAY Left, good for even more laughs), as well as snippets from the likes of ABC, CBS and NBC, all primarily left wing operations.

What right wing talk shows do you listen to?
What right wing newspapers do you read?
What right wing television programs do you watch?

[JJ]

He said............................


I wish someone in the Republican party would stand up and say:

"Now, hold on! Yes, we have some severe disagreements with the president. But this shrill extremism dishonors us all and gives comfort to our enemies.

"FOX is not the Republican party, and extremism is not the basis for governance. We disavow the commentators and pundits.
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Be happy to oblige!  

I am not a Republican, but I am a Conservative who is forced to vote Republican as the lesser of several evils, the main one being the modern Democrat party!

Here goes...........

"Now, hold on! Yes, we have some severe disagreements with the president. But this shrill extremism dishonors us all and gives comfort to our enemies.

"FOX is not the Republican party, and extremism is not the basis for governance. We disavow the commentators and pundits."

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Now having put it out there, it is ONLY VALID if you also post the same for all of your networks?

Therefore I will expect you to post the following and disavow as follows..............

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(guidlines)

"Now, hold on! Yes, we have some severe disagreements with the opposition. But this shrill extremism dishonors us all and gives comfort to our enemies.

"CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, Keith Overbyte, NY Times, Wash Post, TIME, NEWSWEEK are not the Democrat party, and extremism is not the basis for governance. We disavow the commentators and pundits."
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When may I expect you to post such and usher in this new era of good feeling?  





By the way, remember when the Democrat Party was a party for everyone?

I do.  It was last seen about thirty years ago.  There were conservative Democrats galore in the party.  But they were driven from it by the far left ideologues such as Ted Kennedy and Charles Schumer and Barbara Boxer.  
Now which party is it that is being unfair to the country?
Or is it BOTH of them?

[onion_writer]

I no longer respond to drooling children. I do, however, wait patiently for intelligent debate of important issues of the day.

[Real]

i read micheal coren and salim mansur every sunday in my local sun (a conservative newsletter that has not endorsed a liberal since '82).  coren being one of the "as a woman, palin's place in the house with her **09**" conservative set.  i also read the daily editorial on how great and clean the oilsands really are, how teh conservative party isnt conservative enough, how global warming isnt real etc, etc.

i listen to coast to coast am when i go to bed so i wake up to rutherford, foremost conservative radio host in canada, every morning.

i used to watch glen beck on cnn, but we dont get fox news in canada yet.

i live in the conservative epicenter of canada.  the conservative party has been in provincial power coming up on 50 years now, and regularly walk to 85-90% holds on the legislature with 60-65% of the popular vote.

so yeah im fully aware of exactly how the right thinks and operates, most all of the media I take in offline is of that bent.

but what do your assumptions have to do with the validity of anyone's opinion anyways?


barack obama is mischaracterized as an extreme leftist.  republicans have sat back and played obstructionist and acted like everyone should be getting their cake and eating it too, but that's not how it works.

the US is coming out of the biggest economic dive since the depression.  money has to be spent in order to do that. to cut rich people's taxes and cut aid during such a time?  well if that's your ideology, fine.  But the thing is in relative terms that is an extreme position.  Especially when we just saw it fail not 3 years ago right before our eyes.

large scare re-investment in your country has to happen after more than a decade of sending manufacturing overseas.  he could have just re-made the industries himself and given everyone their jobs back, but that would be that socialism word that republicans dont seem to know the meaning of.  ironically that's the only way possible all these jobs could have magically re-appeared like republicans feign to expect.

his taxes are totally fair frankly, unless youre a libertarian nut.  your country is winding down two wars where the rich got their tax cut the whole time.  worked well hey?  he doesnt want to tax people as much as ronald reagan did.  the middle class got a tax cut, the rich basically go back to clinton.  you dont have to like that but again, to call it extremist is...extreme in reality.

see JJ, there's a lot more bluster in there than anything really solid.  every one of your examples is overstated. and there's also just a bit of nonsensical fear talk in there.  makes sense though, mirrors republican strategy at the moment.

can you point to a specific bill or policy that tries to "make people reliant on obama", as opposed to just generally projecting conservative fears about more centrist ideologies?  are you aware america is still the only 1st world country with no public option?  

is a lack of exorbitant insurance industry profits going to tighten the government's grip on your life? lol

what is he going to "come into your home and tell you to do" eventually exactly?

youre not mad because he's on the extreme left.  

your arguments demonstrate plainly that youre mad he's not a conservative.

oh and that cartoon is ridiculous JJ. we all know that muslims, mexicans, gays, atheists, public employees, immigrants, feminists, unions, environmentalists, community organisers, the media, teachers, pronographers, pot smokers and the poor are really reponsible for your misery.

[3deroticer]

That kind of my impression of listing all of the other cable channel except FOXnews, as the only one who got it right, when its the only cable news that excuse themselves for being a news channel under the FCC guideline while under GWBush. They are out to get us, and only FOXnews can save us! Really?

We got 2 major fear campaign going on, one is the global warming/end of the world 2012, and the other is the non-white people will make white bread christian people a minority pretty soon. Which ties in with the abortion issue as preventing white babies from being born. The fear is even a biblical proportion exploiting the christian family values in order to get power in this country.

We cant even have a debate on fear of what has not happen yet.

[JJ]

OBAMA SHARES VALUES WITH AMERICANS?  

POLL TODAY SHOWS RECORD DROPS ON PRESIDENTIAL RECORD!  

Poll: Revolt Against Status Quo Gives Republicans Record Lead in 2010 Midterms
ABC News-Washington Post Poll: Dissatisfaction with Federal Government at Highest Level in 18 Years


 ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER, ABC News
Sept. 7, 2010

Swelling economic discontent has pushed dissatisfaction with the federal government to its highest level in 18 years, with the same forces that put Barack Obama on the road to the presidency two years ago now threatening to undo his party's control of Congress.  

Two months before the 2010 midterm elections, likely voters now favor the Republican over the Democratic candidate in their congressional district by 53-40 percent, the widest GOP margin on record in ABC News/Washington Post polls since 1981.

Beneath that result: Broad rejection of the status quo.

Consider:

• Ninety-two percent of Americans say the economy's in bad shape. A mere 24 percent believe it's improving. And for the first time numerically more say Obama's economic program has made the economy worse, 33 percent, than improved it, 30 percent. Views that he's helped the economy have dropped by 9 points since spring.

• A majority, 52 percent, now disapproves of the way Obama is handling his job overall, another first in ABC/Post polls. Intensity increasingly is against him, with those who disapprove "strongly" outnumbering strong approvers by 14 points. A record 57 percent rate him negatively on handling the economy, "strongly" so by an even wider margin, 2-1.

• Seventy-eight percent now describe themselves as dissatisfied with the way the federal government is working, up 14 points just since July to the most since October 1992. That includes 25 percent who are "angry," tying the record. Among likely voters, 30 percent are angry – and they favor Republican candidates by a vast 47-point margin.


There's more to trouble Democrats and cheer Republicans in this poll, conducted for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York. After his winning the White House on the mantra of change, 53 percent of Americans now say Obama has failed to deliver "needed change to Washington." And just half now say he "shares your values" or "understands the problems of people like you," both vastly down from their highs.  

more..............   http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2010_Elections/abc-news-poll-2010-midterms-revolt-status-quo/story?id=11570169

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Analysis by JJ

Why is this happening?

Here's but two reasons.

Obama ran as a President who would bring the nation together.
He has mostly been divisive, unlike his predecessor, George W. Bush, who rarely even mentioned his opponents names in eight years.  Obama is constantly railing against any and all who differ with him on any aspect of his presidency.

Obama ran as a moderate, even a conservative in some instances on tax policy.
He has mostly been everything he claimed he was not, including a disciple of the fringe religious hate monger, Rev. Wright.  Obama has introduced some of the most radical programs seen since the days of F.D.R., the great liberal Supreme Court stacker.

[JJ]

It's the age old game of running away when the heat is turned up in the kitchen.   


It's easy to post here when things are good, when the guy in the White House is on the rise, coming into office, beginning a historic era in American politics.   

But when things begin to go badly wrong; when the country turns on the policies of the man in the White House and his party in total control of the Congress; when the First Family insists on vacationing in high style in Spain and Cape Cod while workers everywhere are faced with higher taxes and job losses; when it is clear that the President is totally overwhelmed by the job through inexperience and is being guided by the most extreme radical political philosophy ever seen in Washington, reading speeches off of a monitor, then,

...............well, then, it's time to cut and run.

I'm not a gonna talk here anymore, they say. 

There they go, tails between their legs, duct tape over their mouth.

Sad that some can see but one way (their way) or the highway.   

[Real]

come the fuck on JJ.  dont talk about "running away when the heat is turned up" when you've done that on at least half the pages of this thread with your selective responses and subject changing.  yet more evidence that viewing things on an even keel is simply out of your depth.

pedonbio, 3d, onionwriter, zookie. all active in the past couple days.  same basic people who've been batting down your copy paste talking points the whole time.  i dont see anyone on the run.  i mean sometimes you need to connect the talking points you're getting with what actually happens in reality.  that way you can actually make a point. lol.

you should be happy about republican poll numbers as an unthinking republican.  doesnt mean that you're right.  i recapped this in my last post actually.  The majority of americans waved the flag and chanted USA while your foreign and domestic policy went straight into the ground, and they're about to do it again.

But don't stop the discussion just when we've started JJ, dont run away when the heat is turned up in the kitchen.

what specific policy has obama put in place that put what kind of government control over your life?  do you have anything more than general conservative fear about liberal ideology that you can actually point out obama is doing.  its a really simple question that you'ev on page 71 and counting of running away from.

I await your answer, im sure you wont cut and run.  im not going anywhere..

[onion_writer]

As stated previously, I decided to no longer engage JJ when he stated:

Yeah, I really want President Obama and his legion of bureaucrats coming over to my house and checking my eggs for anything?

During the massive egg recalls, JJ didn't want his food checked by the Food and Drug Administration, because any government regulation of anything is evil? Even though food producers all welcome oversight, to show that they are safe to consumers?

S'fine by me! But it proved to me and others just how much of a knee-jerk reactionary he is. It was at that moment that another member here coined the useful term "teatard."

I let JJ's angry waves crash impotently upon my peaceful shore.

Look at my avatar, JJ. It's just for you, babe.

[3deroticer]

Didn't Obama take a dip in the oil spill of Florida vacationing in oil? ..............yep he's living the high lifestyle of the rich and famous.

Nobody will even come close to the numbers of vacationing days of GWBush.

I hope the research on a cure for Alzheimer come soon, already "JJ" suffering a laspe of memory of the recent past.