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« Reply #6105 on: July 26, 2017, 05:47:31 AM »
Standing invitation for the National Jamboree is just that.  All he has to do is contact the organizers and say he wants to say something, not what he wants to talk about.

I want him to know that most of the group he rambled to will not be able to vote in 2 years or even 4.  They are BOY scouts.  Not of legal age, they cannot vote, he was looking for political support with the wrong damn crowd.

Trust me on this, most of those scouts know more about how the local state and federal government works than he does.  They have to earn 3 different merit badges on civics: local, state and national.  (It's been a while and I do not have my scout books in front of me)

I am an Eagle Scout.  Trumps appearance was weak, what a loser. Sad.

I also hate and detest what he did.
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« Reply #6106 on: July 26, 2017, 06:10:01 PM »
I was in Boy Scout as well, and I am not too worried about the boys being heavily influence by the president. Scouting have drilled into me on the tenet of scouting, it would be very hard to ignore the values of scouting vs Trump behavior. It is such a huge polarity, and I have never known Trump to exercise being thrifty! 
"Yesterday, Reince Priebus called this whole story a 'nothing burger,'" he said. "Well these emails have turned it into an all-you-can-prosecute buffet."

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« Reply #6107 on: July 26, 2017, 06:45:24 PM »
Or any of the other 11 Scout Laws.
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« Reply #6108 on: July 26, 2017, 06:51:26 PM »
If Trump can't handle a Scout Jamboree, then there is no way he is ready for the Queen of England. He's been assign a small venue with the Queen to see if he can pass the mustard of decorum. They wont let him do the big event in public because of his behavior, which incidentally scouting got its start from England, before they started their own version of it in the USA.
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« Reply #6109 on: July 26, 2017, 10:30:43 PM »
I was in Boy Scout as well, and I am not too worried about the boys being heavily influence by the president.


Former Cub Scout and Boy Scout here. I am worried though. Not only because I know quite a few Scoutmasters who are his supporters, and who are therefore repeating his sludge to their charges, but also because I know how impressionable people are at that age. The number of Scouts, Scoutmasters and Troop Leaders in the crowd who not only were wearing those red hats but who were willing to begin jeering a living former American President (who, unlike the bloviator-in-chief, was himself a Boy Scout)...it was appalling on so many levels. Godwin's Law be damned, I know what that kind of thing has in common with stuff that happened in the 1940s.

The POTUS is the honorary president of the Boy Scouts of America and as such has a standing invitation to speak before the Scouts at their Jamboree which is held every four years. And most of them have spoken there, either in person or (when otherwise engaged by matters of state) via satellite link, like Pres. Obama did in 2010. But being that the BSA is supposed to be apolitical, I do not understand how they didn't immediately pull the plug from the microphone once he started turning it into a political youth rally. Just like when he was in a Detroit church and started his spiel and the (black female) minister told him that that wasn't allowed. He left the house of worship almost immediately.

And what's even more mindblowing is that both Price and Perry were Scouts too. The fact that neither one of them tapped their boss on the shoulder and simply told him to can it with inappropriate references and to stick to the script on the TelePrompTer also burns my biscuits. Everything about that speech was disgraceful, totally disgraceful. It's right up there with his shameful speech in front of the wall of the fallen at the CIA. Always making about him. No class, no grace.

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I've got a few words to offer about what Trump did at the National Jamboree today, but first let me establish some bona fides...

My grandfather was a scoutmaster for 40 yrs. He was awarded the Silver Beaver. The youth leadership award in that council is named for him.

My father was an #EagleScout. He received the Silver Award in the Explorers. And he attended the National Jamboree in Valley Forge in 1957.

I was an #EagleScout. I was on the staff of the National Jamboree at Fort AP Hill in 1989.

My son is in Boy Scouts. He is a Star scout w/ all requirements completed for Life. He's hoping to finish his Eagle by next summer.

Not long ago, my son and I went through the family collection of old Scout stuff. By trading, we have Jambo patches from 1933 to 1989.

After looking at all of that, my son has been bugging me to go. He's been making plans w/ his grandfather, talking abt how we should all go.

Thankfully, we were not among those in today's crowd. But there must be others there with stories like ours. Trump trampled that tradition.

Worst of all, he did it for no reason. He made the national gathering of Boy Scouts about himself only b/c he makes everything abt himself.

As Scouts, we were taught never to make our service about politics. Scouts are not supposed to appear in uniform at political events.

And yet, Trump saw fit to turn the largest gathering of Boy Scouts into a political gathering, as if they had come together only to see him.

It's the worst kind of desecration, and it he does it repeatedly and without a second thought.

And before anyone brings it up: No one has a more conflicted relationship w/ Scouts than I do. I love the organization and hate a lot abt it

In this way, it's a lot like America itself.

But Trump didn't dishonor the Boy Scouts by falling short of its standards; he made a mockery of the ideals themselves. It's what he does.

Sadly, the @boyscouts are now in a position of having to disavow statements made by the president, but that's what they must do.

And by the way, the only time that Trump ever had any previous dealings with the Boy Scouts was when Don Jr. joined in 1989.

The membership fee was $7 in those days—and Trump didn't pay it out of pocket. He took the money from charity.

I'm sorry that Trump and Don Jr. didn't stick with it. The first thing they teach you: "A scout is trustworthy."

-- Ted Genoways on Twitter


I have emailed the BSA HQ to express my extreme displeasure at their weaksauce response to this nonsense, and I suggest you do as well. Here's a template:

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This is via a FB post from John Sharples:

To Whom it May Concern ('[email protected]'):

I am a former Boy Scout, First Class, son of an Eagle Scout, and father of a four-year old who – until yesterday – I was planning to encourage becoming a Boy Scout, in my family’s tradition.

The address the President gave to a captive audience of chi!dren yesterday was the most disgraceful act by a sitting president I have ever witnessed in my lifetime (which spans the Nixon administration). It was shockingly inappropriate, and I am almost speechless with outrage that the president used this honorable platform to encourage children to boo the first black US president and the first female US presidential candidate.

A divisive, campaign rally-type speech filled with grievances, inappropiate subject matter, twisting the Boy Scout oath of loyalty to demand fealty to the president personally, was unacceptable and simply un-American.

The BSA statement this morning, mildly distancing your organization from the content of the address, is woefully insufficient. The BSA must condemn this speech in no uncertain terms. Unless and until this happens, my son will never be a Boy Scout.

Cordially,

John Sharples
New York, New York
Formerly of Troop 185, Bronx, NY
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« Reply #6110 on: July 26, 2017, 10:37:50 PM »
Meanwhile:

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In a serious breach of presidential norms, President Donald Trump urged sailors attending the commissioning of the USS Gerald R. Ford on Saturday to wade into the political fray and help lobby Congress on health care and other topics. “I don’t mind getting a little hand, so call that congressman and call that senator and make sure you get it,” Trump said of his budget, highlighting the defense spending portion. This could have been interpreted as an order from the commander in chief to the service members in attendance to support the Republican Party agenda. “And by the way, you can also call those senators to make sure you get health care,” he added.


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« Reply #6111 on: July 27, 2017, 12:46:32 AM »
Former Cub Scout and Boy Scout here.
Yep me too.  Been to Brown Island.
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« Reply #6112 on: July 28, 2017, 11:28:29 AM »
Be careful what you wish for.
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« Reply #6113 on: July 28, 2017, 12:20:09 PM »
The Sacramento Bee, Jul. 28, 2017: "As Trump battens down the hatches, a disgraceful swan song to the American Century"

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There’s so much bad, ugly, cruel news these days that at times it’s tempting to just lump it all together as a bad dream and try to ignore it.

Yet, the consequences of Donald Trump’s ascent to power are too dire, and too long-lasting, to allow us the luxury of tuning out. Witness his extraordinary and inflammatory statements in Ohio this week, in which he accuses immigrants of seeking to slowly torture American (presumably, read “white”) girls to death. America’s image globally is now tanking – only 22 percent of respondents to a global Pew Research survey trust the Trump leadership, and fully 74 percent have no confidence in its ability to make good policy decisions.

That might suit the goals of an ethno-nationalist such as Steve Bannon, who seems to want nothing more or less than a closed America, cut off culturally and politically from traditional allies and long-standing notions of liberal, open, pluralist society. But it augurs terribly for the country’s future in a world that faces challenges and changes that can only be addressed trans-nationally...

Now, six months into the Trump administration, with near-daily stories of immigrants and visitors being harassed, attacked, and humiliated, global impressions of the United States have plummeted. The organization Tourism Economics has forecast that the country will actually host 4.3 million fewer visitors in 2017 than it did in 2016. New York City’s tourist board is expecting between 2 and 3 percent fewer international visitors this year. The British travel website Kayak.co.uk reported that there has been a more than 50 percent drop in flight searches for Miami. While some parts of the country have seen increased tourism in 2017, and while the number of tourists from some visa waiver countries continues to increase, in the long run Trump’s rhetoric and policies represent a deep threat to the American tourism industry.

Trump can tout all of this as a success in securing the country’s borders. But driving vulnerable undocumented immigrants ever further out into the desert doesn’t fix the country’s broken immigration system. It simply makes it more likely that desperate, poor, vulnerable men, women and children will be driven ever further into the margins, will make ever riskier crossing attempts, and will exist ever further removed from society’s protections once they reach America.

Similarly, humiliating Muslim applicants for tourism, student and immigration visas doesn’t make the country less vulnerable to terrorism; but it does make many millions of people feel that they are being targeted because of their nationality or their religion.

And giving the middle finger to the global community, as Trump has repeatedly done over the past months, doesn’t make the country stronger; rather it isolates it on the world stage, makes it more likely that talented students will choose other countries to study in, makes it less likely that tourists will choose to spend their money holidaying in America.

This violent, bigoted, nationalist stew that Trump is unleashing on the country is a recipe not for national strength but for utter decline. It is a tragic, shameful and entirely self-destructive swan song to the American Century.


Beyond the fact that "running the government like a business" never works (because the primary objective of a business is generate profits to the detriment of the people as a whole, and the primary objective of a government is to provide services that protect the majority of its citizens, not a minority), this short-sighted "policy" of "(White) America First" is costing the country as a whole money.

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The U.S. travel and tourism industry generated nearly $1.6 trillion in economic output in 2015, supporting 7.6 million U.S. jobs. Travel and tourism exports accounted for 11 percent of all U.S. exports and nearly a third (33 percent) of all U.S. services exports, positioning travel and tourism as the nation's largest services export. One out of every 18 Americans is employed, either directly or indirectly, in a travel or tourism-related industry. In 2015, U.S. travel and tourism output represented 2.6 percent of gross domestic product.
 
While the majority of activity in the industry is domestic, expenditures by international visitors in the United States totaled $246.2 billion in 2015, yielding a $97.9 billion trade surplus for the year. According to U.S. Department of Commerce projections, international travel to the United States should grow by 3 percent annually through 2021. The United States leads the world in international travel and tourism exports and ranks second in terms of total visitation.

-- SelectUSA, "Travel, Tourism & Hospitality Spotlight"

Only a person who has had at least six businesses declare for bankruptcy (and casinos at that, which are usually a license to print money) and who thinks it's "smart" to not pay taxes would think that making policies that imperil nearly eight million American jobs, 11% of all US exports, and $1.6 trillion of our GDP is "a good idea."
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« Reply #6114 on: July 28, 2017, 03:30:35 PM »
This Boy Scout Jamboree was the best thing that ever happen! So many of my alt-right wingers drew the line to Trump behavior over how he behave while with the jamboree. Of all things to shake their allegiance to Trump, was the Boy Scout incidence.
"Yesterday, Reince Priebus called this whole story a 'nothing burger,'" he said. "Well these emails have turned it into an all-you-can-prosecute buffet."

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« Reply #6115 on: July 28, 2017, 04:09:10 PM »
Now Trumpel asks the police to bang the heads of arrestees against police cars and throw them hard into the back of prison vans taking into account the death of humans. So he actually asks the police to murder. He sounds like that president of the Philippines ... After asking to murder CNN staff and now arrestees, what next? Build termination camps?
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« Reply #6116 on: July 28, 2017, 04:48:11 PM »
Be careful what you wish for.

Pretty sure @rtpoe wanted and/or suggested that Obama pardon Hillary before he left office. Not such a big deal then....  :-X

Come on Zookie, give me an early Christmas present here. Is it really that hard to say something along the lines of
"oh yeah your right, rtpoe did say something like that. And that maybe would've made Hillary look guilty.(throw in "even though I think she's not" if you want)"

And then come back and challenge me with something like
"but don't you think this would make trump look guilty?"

What is so hard about that??
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« Reply #6117 on: July 28, 2017, 05:32:55 PM »
This Boy Scout Jamboree was the best thing that ever happen! So many of my alt-right wingers drew the line to Trump behavior over how he behave while with the jamboree. Of all things to shake their allegiance to Trump, was the Boy Scout incidence.

Well smart people saw that before. Slow people need longer. The slowest people probably still won't learn it ever.
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« Reply #6118 on: July 28, 2017, 05:46:55 PM »
What a week. First Sean Spicer resigns as White House Press Secretary. Then they appoint Anthony Scaramucci as WH Communications Director, who spent a good amount of his time deleting old tweets that either were critical of his new boss or went against a lot of his positions (e.g. he acknowledged climate change is real and something should be done about it). He's trying to divest from his hedge fund Skybridge by selling his controlling interest, worth ~$120 million, to two firms: American investment firm RON Transatlantics, and Chinese firm HNA Capital. This despite the fact that HNA Capital is under "some scrutiny for its opaque financial and ownership structure", which includes
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a 9.92% stake in Deutsche Bank, Germany’s largest bank, in May 2017. The European Central Bank, a regulatory institution that watches over central banks in the eurozone, is reportedly considering opening an inquiry into HNA’s financial standing as a result of the company’s Deutsche ownership. Officials are worried that HNA’s capital is fueled by large loans from the Chinese state banks.

Then the current occupant of the White House gave a totally inappropriate speech at the Boy Scout Jamboree, turning it into a political rally in front of an audience who will not even be eligible to vote until at least 2021.

Then in the Senate, Mitch McConnell tried again to remove the health care from at least 11 million people (and from as many as 32 million people), under the lie that Obamacare is "imploding", etc. Last night, the vote was scotched as every Democrat in the chamber and three Republicans -- including Lisa Murkowski (R, Alaska) and Susan Collins (R, Maine) -- decided to finally put the good of their countrymen and women ahead of this bizarre Obama Derangement Syndrome from which they've been suffering since 2008. McConnell was so eager to kill his fellow Americans that he dragged John McCain from his sickbed after his diagnosis of brain cancer to come and vote on this mess ("the skinny repeal") in the dead of night. McCain mavericked outta there.

Then on Thursday, "Democrats and their allies off the Hill pushed back hard...after a report that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke threatened projects important to Alaska in retribution for Sen. Lisa Murkowski's vote against health care legislation."

Later on that day, Ryan Lizza (a reporter from the New Yorker) revealed that the day before, the new WH Comms Director had gone on a rant to him, saying in part:
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What I want to do is I want to fucking kill all the leakers and I want to get the president’s agenda on track so we can succeed for the American people..." He told Lizza that he believed Priebus had been a confidential source to the New Yorker. Scaramucci threatened to fire all of the assistants to the president to smoke out leakers, and he said that Priebus would be resigning soon.

“Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” Scaramucci said.

Scaramucci added that he was not seeking publicity for himself personally.

“I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock,” he told the New Yorker. “I’m not trying to build my own brand off the fucking strength of the president. I’m here to serve the country.”

Apparently, like his boss, he had forgotten that just because it was "a leak" didn't necessarily mean that what was leaked was not true. (To be the best of my recollection, none of the "leaks" from the current White House has ever been proven false, nor have they been denied.)

Speaking of his boss, earlier today, he went to Long Island, New York, and gave a rambling speech (what else is new?) ostensibly about the fight against MS-13 gang members in which he said:
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"One by one we're liberating our American towns. Can you believe that I'm saying that?...It's like I'd see in a movie. They're liberating a town, like in the old Wild West, right?"

"They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful, quite neighborhoods into blood-stained killing fields...They're animals. We cannot tolerate, as a society, the spilling of innocent, young, wonderful, vibrant people [sic] — sons and daughters, even husbands and wives."

"When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, I said, 'Please don't be too nice.'"

In other words, he's encouraging authorities to rough up undocumented immigrants and gang members suspected of committing crimes.

In the past few minutes, three more pieces of news have come up.

One, via Twitter, White House chief of staff Reince Priebus has been replaced by Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly. (Sarah Huckabee Sanders claims that this had nothing to do with Scaramucci's earlier rant.)

Two, Scaramucci's 2nd wife, Deidre Bell, has filed for divorce after three years. According to The New York Post:
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One source told Page Six, "Deidre has left him and has filed for divorce. She liked the nice Wall Street life and their home on Long Island, not the insane world of D.C. She is tired of his naked ambition, which is so enormous that it left her at her wits’ end. She has left him even though they have two children together.”

...The source said, “Deidre is not a fan of [the current occupant of the White House], and she hasn’t exactly been on board and supportive of Anthony and his push to get back into the White House.”

The friend added, “Anthony is focusing on his chi!dren, his work for the president and the American people. There is nothing more important to him.

“I don’t know who Deidre thought she was marrying but anyone who knows Anthony knows he’s an ambitious man.”


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Vladimir Putin’s former media czar was murdered in Washington, DC, on the eve of a planned meeting with the US Justice Department, according to two FBI agents whose assertions cast new doubts on the US government’s official explanation of his death.

Mikhail Lesin’s battered body was discovered in his Dupont Circle hotel room on the morning of Nov. 5, 2015, with blunt-force injuries to the head, neck, and torso. After an almost yearlong "comprehensive investigation," a federal prosecutor announced last October that Lesin died alone in his room due to a series of **93** falls “after days of excessive consumption of alcohol.” His death was ruled an "accident," and prosecutors closed the case.

But the two FBI agents — as well as a third agent and a serving US intelligence officer — said Lesin was actually bludgeoned to death. None of these officials were directly involved in the government’s investigation, but they said they learned about it from colleagues who were.

“Lesin was beaten to death,” one of the FBI agents said. “I would implore you to say as much. There seems to be an effort here to cover up that fact for reasons I can't get into.”

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« Reply #6119 on: July 28, 2017, 06:05:10 PM »
This Boy Scout Jamboree was the best thing that ever happen! So many of my alt-right wingers drew the line to Trump behavior over how he behave while with the jamboree. Of all things to shake their allegiance to Trump, was the Boy Scout incidence.


Well smart people saw that before. Slow people need longer. The slowest people probably still won't learn it ever.

Not only will the slowest people not ever learn it, some of them will continue to post online about how great he is, how infallible he is, how everyone raising criticisms about him are engaging in "fake news", etc. They never bother to ask themselves how it is possible for a politician who lies as easily as breathing -- easily provable, easily verifiable, exhaustively-catalogued lies -- would be trustworthy when it comes to being able to discern what news is "fake" and what news is not. And they persist in the same "both-sides-ism" and projection and deflection when confronted with their lies.

It is almost a waste of breath to "debate" with them.
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