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« Reply #6765 on: April 23, 2018, 05:14:29 AM »
And 52 percent of Americans wrongly think Hitler came to power through force.

That's why I am so troubled if people here talk about accepting democratic election whatever party/person won it. And when I see todays tryrans, racists, nazis and dictators winning elections and people demand from me as a good member of a democratic society I should accept the election or I am no democratic member ...

pewwhhhh - those people just have no clue about history of nazis.
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« Reply #6766 on: April 23, 2018, 05:28:13 AM »
So basically if you rely on the corporate news media and online information you were running blind in making a voting decision. Reading an autobiography of the candidate would be almost the only way to go. Even in the debate they were carefully orchestrated question that wouldn't ask anything that could hurt the corporation images in the USA, and not include candidate that were more likely to be critical of the corporate influences over the politician.

Didn't Carlin say that if Democracy was possible that they would make it illegal?

Don't know how this related to the previous discussion, but at least for the main chracters Hillary Clinton and Donald Trumpelstilsken I wouldn't need an autobiography. From Trump I knew he was and still is an idiot. From Mrs. Clintion I knew she could do the job pretty well. From Bernie Sanders it was clear what to expect, also a kind of unusual, disruptive presidency. He wouldn't have been the best choice, but bonestley he would have been about 10x times better than Trumpelstilsken, what at least means it would have been an acceptable presidency.

When it came to the more unknown candidates. Yes, maybe you are right. But some had very extreme postions which made them not to be votable, either.
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« Reply #6767 on: April 23, 2018, 08:45:46 PM »
Both candidates had been in the public eye for decades. One had been in public service and had her every move, for good and for ill, scrutinized to such an extent that it bordered on the creepy; the other was in service only for himself and his Klan clan during that time. The only way one could have chosen to not vote for her was if their racist beliefs coincided with his. In other words, the "I'm not racist because after all some of my best friends are black, but his racism is not a deal breaker for me" crew.

Or they could be like Ms. Shania Twain, she of forked tongue who the other day said:

“I would have voted for him because, even though he was offensive, he seemed honest...Do you want straight or polite? Not that you shouldn’t be able to have both. If I were voting, I just don’t want bullshit. I would have voted for a feeling that it was transparent. And politics has a reputation of not being that, right?”

This is unfortunate because the person she endorsed is a known, inveterate, constant and continuous bullshitter and consummate liar, and has been all his life. (Witness: how he got on to the Forbes list and, inexplicably, stayed there.) He is the anti-Midas: everything and everyone he touches, he turns to dross. "Honest" is not an accurate adjective that could be used to describe him, unless when she said “I like him because he’s honest” she meant “I like hearing my shitty opinions coming from someone else’s mouth because I feel it validates them, and now I have permission to say the shitty things I have always thought.”

Of course, since her guy was so "honest" about how much he hates women, people of color, the poor, people from other countries, people in other countries, and Rosie O’Donnell, I guess that's something. It's a pity that that same "honesty" never extended to his business dealings, his campaign’s relationship with Russia, or most facts though.

As ESPN's Jemele Hill said "don’t apologize if that’s how you really feel." So, in my opinion, her "apology" is late, ineffectual, and unnecessary. Be out and proud in your foolishness and in your bigotry, so that the rest of the civilized world knows and treats you accordingly.
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« Reply #6768 on: April 23, 2018, 09:00:27 PM »
More evidence of the anti-Midas touch:



CNN: "Did Michael Flynn Jr. just reveal something very, very important about the Russia investigation?"

On Monday morning, Michael Flynn Jr., the son of [the] former national security adviser, tweeted something very, well ... interesting.

"American Patriot @GenFlynn did not lie to Pence (or anyone else in the admin) about his perfectly legal and appropriate conversations w Russian AMB Kislyak in Dec 2016," Flynn Jr. tweeted. "Why would a highly decorated military intel officer lie about something legal? Been a MSM lie from day 1."

So just to be clear, what Flynn Jr. is alleging is that his dad never lied to Vice President Mike Pence (or anyone else!) about his interactions with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

That runs directly counter to Pence's version of events. Pence said Flynn did not tell the truth when the two talked about interactions with Kisylak. "I was disappointed to learn that ... the facts that had been conveyed to me by Gen. Flynn were inaccurate," Pence said a week after Flynn's firing...

Flynn Jr. is now saying his father never lied to Pence about his interactions with Kisylak. Which, if he is telling the truth, would mean:

  • Pence, who has said he had no knowledge of the conversations Flynn was having with Kisylak and other Russian officials, actually did know.
  • [The current occupant of the Oval's reason] for firing Flynn doesn't hold water since the former national security adviser didn't lie to Pence.
  • Flynn chose to lie to the FBI about his dealings with the Russians during the transition but told the truth to the incoming vice president about those same interactions.

It's that third point that makes Flynn Jr.'s tweet about his father's veracity questionable. Why would Flynn tell Pence the truth but then lie to the FBI? The former might be a fireable offense but the latter is a crime. What would make him purposely do that?

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« Reply #6769 on: April 26, 2018, 10:13:44 PM »
Remember the fellow who said "I am a stable genius"? He also said this:

"Michael is, uh, in business. He’s really a business man. A fairly big business as I understand it, I don’t know his business, but this doesn’t have to do with me, Michael is a business man. He’s got a business, he also practices law I would say probably the big thing is his business, and they’re looking for something having to do with his business but I have nothing to do with his business, I can tell you he’s a good guy --"

and he kept on talking so long on Fox & Friends that even those sycophants had to make up an excuse to cut him off.

This is not normal. (Unless you are an autocrat from an eastern European country, or trying your hardest to emulate one.)
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« Reply #6770 on: April 26, 2018, 10:14:13 PM »
So El Presidente had a meeting with three of his closest advisors this morning - he called in to "FOX & Friends".

After telling everyone it was Melania's birthday (nice way to spend it, moron), in the span of 20 excruciating minutes, Trump admitted:

1.That Cohen had represented him in the Stormy Daniels payoff — a fact he’d previously claimed no knowledge of;
2. That he knew about the payoff, but that it was fine because it didn’t come from campaign funds;
3. That Cohen’s legal representation of him was minimal, meaning very little of what was seized in the FBI raid of Cohen’s office can be privileged; and, just for good measure,
4. That he’s considering intervening in the Justice Department to put an end to the Mueller investigation.

Appearing at the same time on "Morning Joe", Daniels' attorney Michael Avenatti, once he stopped laughing in glee, noted that Trump just confirmed what he and his client had been claiming all along:

"Another gift from the heavens on this case. They keep coming. I don’t know how I’ve fallen into such good luck in this case, but I’m gonna take it! Joe, that’s a very damaging … hugely damaging admission by the president. Because, according to what he said on Air Force One a few weeks ago, he didn’t know anything about the agreement, he didn’t know anything about the payment, Michael Cohen went off and did this on a lark, and Mr. Trump knew nothing about it. We now find out that that’s bogus."

And pretty much immediately after the segment, the SDNY attorney in the Matter of Cohen dashed off a letter to Judge Kimba Wood, who is overseeing the case. You know all those documents that got seized in Cohen's office, and how he's been claiming "Attorney-Client Privilege" vis-a-vis Hannity and Trump in an effort to keep the Feds from looking too closely at them? Check out this footnote, relating to #3 above:

As the Court is aware, after originally stating that the Government seized “thousands, if not millions,” of pages of privileged documents, Cohen subsequently identified three current clients. Of those three clients, one, Sean Hannity, has since said that “Michael Cohen has never represented me in any matter. I never retained him, received an invoice, or paid legal fees.” Another, President Trump, reportedly said on cable television this morning that Cohen performs “a tiny, tiny little fraction” of his overall legal work. These statements by two of Cohen’s three identified clients suggest that the seized materials are unlikely to contain voluminous privileged documents, further supporting the importance of efficiency here.
(emphasis mine)

El Presidente also managed to note that he actually was in Moscow long enough for a "pee tape" to happen.

AND he ranted about James Comey for about six minutes. AND griped about all the "false accusations!" against the utterly-unqualified-for-the-position Ronny Jackson, his nominee to head the VA (during which he claimed that two members of the House of Representatives, Corey Lewandowski (Hope Hicks' boyfriend), and "Diamond & Silk" were all Senators), AND that CNN is "fake news" and they gave Hillary the debate questions back in 2016........

I really, really, do hope he lets Robert Mueller interview him.....
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« Reply #6771 on: April 26, 2018, 10:46:59 PM »
That ramble of his is more evidence of why he loses legal representation so much. His lawyers must be tearing their hair out every time he gets in front of a microphone. "Stop talking! Please stop talking! You're giving the prosecution too much to work with!"
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« Reply #6772 on: April 26, 2018, 11:21:43 PM »
Most people can get lawyers only if the lawyers think they have a winnable case and keep a percentage of the win. I thought wealthy people just pay outright for the lawyers even if they have a unwinnable case, but use it to muscle out those that cant afford to ride it out. So I was surprise that Trump is finding it real hard to find a lawyers and they contribute that to his reputation of not paying people for their services, unless you are in a Stormy Daniel line of work.
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« Reply #6773 on: April 27, 2018, 11:05:29 PM »
"Conservatives are reveling in their successes and increasing their immorality concurrently. The conservatives who 20 years ago wanted to chase President Bill Clinton out of town for having sex in the Oval Office are now trying to ignore the current president reportedly cheating on his current wife with a porn star. It has become far easier for conservatives to believe lies than believe truths, and it has become far easier for conservatives to turn a blind eye to injustices than speak up. More and more conservatives are modeling Trump’s bad behaviors. His vulgarity, his thin skin, his willingness to insult and demean, and his willingness to degrade his office are now reflected in conservative political leaders who increasingly see their goal as beating the other side instead of advancing ideas and sound public policy."

-- Erick Erickson, former editor of "conservative" blog RedState, in January 2018. Today, the blog fired all bloggers who refused to fellate the current occupant of the Oval, with no explanation.
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« Reply #6774 on: April 28, 2018, 03:20:23 PM »
Megan McCain often criticize Trump, but also criticize anyone else who criticize Trump. Both Bush voted for Hillary over Trump, and now we hear that Jim Comey switch to Democrat. As he said that to him the Republican were the party of moral character first and policy second.

Honestly to me, I could care less of how many affairs a politician has in his own bedroom, but think that policy should come first. It does however give me more confidence that if the politician has good moral fiber to be a better politician, and also less vulnerable to blackmail.

They gave Obama grief for wearing a tan suit for the office, as morally incomprehensible behavior of disrespect. He should have worn several playmates off the sleeves of his arm instead. That would be more suitable and good christian values of the alt-right.
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« Reply #6775 on: April 28, 2018, 10:45:06 PM »
So Rev. Patrick J. Conroy got himself fired as House (of Representatives) Chaplain by Paul Ryan.

Seems Rev. Conroy had been sermonizing on being nice to the poors. Here's one of his prayers, from Nov 6 of last year:

"May all members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great success, while others continue to struggle. May their efforts these days guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans."

Ryan told him to stop meddling in politics, but apparently Rev. Conroy still felt it was his sworn duty to pray for the less-privileged. Apparently, after enough cries of "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?", Ryan told the Rev. that his services were no longer needed.

A number of reps have started collecting signatures on a letter asking Ryan if he would be so kind as to 'splain himself.

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/paul-ryans-firing-of-house-chaplain-blows-up-capitol-hill.html

As is to be expected, there's a lot of hemming and hawing from the GOP about how they want someone more sensitive to their position.

I'm thinking that, given what we all expect to be coming down the pike this summer, they're hoping to get someone a little more "amenable" to hear their confessions (as it were).
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« Reply #6776 on: April 29, 2018, 02:08:57 AM »
So Rev. Patrick J. Conroy got himself fired as House (of Representatives) Chaplain by Paul Ryan.

Seems Rev. Conroy had been sermonizing on being nice to the poors. Here's one of his prayers, from Nov 6 of last year:

"May all members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great success, while others continue to struggle. May their efforts these days guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans."

Ryan told him to stop meddling in politics, but apparently Rev. Conroy still felt it was his sworn duty to pray for the less-privileged. Apparently, after enough cries of "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?", Ryan told the Rev. that his services were no longer needed.

A number of reps have started collecting signatures on a letter asking Ryan if he would be so kind as to 'splain himself.

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/paul-ryans-firing-of-house-chaplain-blows-up-capitol-hill.html

As is to be expected, there's a lot of hemming and hawing from the GOP about how they want someone more sensitive to their position.

I'm thinking that, given what we all expect to be coming down the pike this summer, they're hoping to get someone a little more "amenable" to hear their confessions (as it were).

I still don't understand why the conservatives not happy at all with their leaders (presi, GOP leader Ryan, and so on ....) don't do a spin-off from the GOP. I for myself couldn't stand this schizophrenia anymore.
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« Reply #6777 on: April 29, 2018, 03:38:46 PM »
I am just astonish that our supreme commander lashes out barrage of insults to women, handicap, and minority that he is thin skin to be able to attend the White House corespondent dinner event, that the comedian paid to make fun of famous people is hitting below the belt. The irony is so rich in this fake outrage!
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« Reply #6778 on: April 29, 2018, 05:46:52 PM »
I am just astonish that our supreme commander lashes out barrage of insults to women, handicap, and minority that he is thin skin to be able to attend the White House corespondent dinner event, that the comedian paid to make fun of famous people is hitting below the belt. The irony is so rich in this fake outrage!

Since it was President Obama's gentle ribbing of him to his face that supposedly made him decide to run for the office, you would have thought that since 2017 he would have been there to lap up all the praise. But, apparently not.

Meanwhile, thank you, Michelle Wolf, for not ducking or dodging but instead telling truth to power, directly.

“And I'm never really sure what to call Sarah Huckabee Sanders. You know, is it Sarah Sanders? Is Sarah Huckabee Sanders? Is it Cousin Huckabee? Is it Auntie Huckabee Sanders? Like, what's Uncle Tom but for white women who disappoint other white women? Oh, I know: Aunt Coulter.”

"...the curly-haired comedian likened the White House mouthpiece to the cruel Aunt Lydia from the dystopian Handmaid's Tale and called her an arsonist of facts.

"She uses that ash to make the perfect smokey eye. Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's lies,"
Wolf jeered."

This led, of all people, MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski to go and start clutching her pearls on Twitter and demanding that Ms. Wolf give that professional liar an apology.
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« Reply #6779 on: April 30, 2018, 02:35:25 PM »
The Irony of this after Michelle Wolf call Sara Huckabee a liar

someone spread a lie about Michelle

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