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« Reply #7620 on: July 15, 2019, 05:41:53 PM »
Trust me ! Salem you will never drag me down to your level, I know to recognize that *blueberry* is bad for everyone.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/24/republicans-turn-more-negative-toward-refugees-as-number-admitted-to-u-s-plummets/

education level correlation to be responsible for the refugees to come in to our country!

Well, that's me told. :)

Apparently I am a Nazi sympathizer and racist, who knew? That'll come as a bit of a surprise to er... everyone I've ever met.

Still, it's a conversation starter I suppose. Maybe I will bring it up at the next White Supremacist, Homophobic Male Patriarchy Society meeting, where I am the Co-Chairman. Big BBQ event this weekend, we'll be playing rugby with live puppies and reading excerpts from Mein Kampf. It's not much different from normal rugby, but it does make the drop goals a lot more difficult.

Anyway...

Yawn...

Yeah, I think you read that quote from Mark Twain (he was a famous writer by the way) the wrong way round, which is hardly surprising as you interpret everything people say to suit your own agenda. It is very childish, but it is what I have come to expect from you to be honest.

Quite frankly I don't have the time or inclination to babysit you the whole time on this board. In case you haven'y noticed, this is a forum with countless threads about large breasted women, which I would much rather spend my time in. :)

I'll maybe pop back again soon, once the adults have started posting in this thread again.

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« Reply #7621 on: July 15, 2019, 07:30:44 PM »
I am more impress with your drama than the actual issue. white supremacist its bad! You still don't get the irony of saying you can't be a racist against color people when you have white Jewish people as your friend as proof? I'm sorry if pointing that out made you so upset. Taking a break is a good idea!
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« Reply #7622 on: July 16, 2019, 01:59:28 PM »
Favour Nazi's do I? Some of my friends are jewish, so I highly doubt that. Then again, you call anyone who doesn't agree with your leftist ideology as a Nazi. 

Hold on here! If you have to point out that you have friends that are Jew, then you are probably a racist. for pointing that out.

What the hell? You think I may be a racist because I said that? You are aware what the Nazi's did to the jews during World War II? The Nazi's hated the Jews, i was merely pointing out that since I had friends who were jewish I would hardly side with Nazi's...

No, I am not racist. I have friends who hail from Pakistan, India, Yemen all over the place. I don't care what their ethnicity is, just that they are good people. Incidentally, my wife and daughter holiday with our (American) Jewish friends and have stayed in each others houses during holidays.


(In what follows, I shall be using the second person plural form of the word "you", not the second person singular.)

salem, allow me to use this quick-and-dirty metaphor to help explain why, even with the best of intentions, it can be a problem to say "some of my best friends are ______..." while implying "...therefore I cannot be discriminatory towards other people who are also ______":

Person A is an omnivore but passionately dislikes the idea of vegetarianism, thinking that it is absurd to decide not to ever eat meat. In a discussion about diets and dietary restrictions, Person A says:

"Some of my best friends are vegan but if you don't like eating steak, you are an idiot and you probably have sex with your own sibling."

Just because you are friends with someone who is ______ does not necessarily mean that you don't also vehemently hate or are discriminatory against other people who don't have the privilege of being your friend but who are also ______.

One of the clearest examples of this is Thomas Jefferson. While simultaneously writing the stirring words of the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

he not only kept hundreds of men, women and children of African descent in chattel slavery for decades, he repeatedly sexually violated those women and kept the offspring of those heinous acts in chattel slavery as well. Not to mention his "innovations" in the area of "race quantum". (I can't post the video here because it contains minors but go to the "Are you "Black" or "African American?" | Say It Loud" video from PBS Digital Studios on YouTube for a brief examination of his thoughts on this.)

Especially in the past few years there have been many many many many many high profile examples of why the "some of my best friends are ______" fallacy is such a problem.

The truth is, all saying "some of my best friends are ______" proves is that you have some friends who are ______. It doesn't prove or disprove whether or not you are discriminatory towards other people who also are ______. You can't use your "friends" as a shield against accusations of being discriminatory against other people who are also ______. You can't use your "friends" as a token, because that's not what friends do. Doing that implies "oh, you're not like those other nasty ______ people -- you're special. You're one of the good ones."
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« Reply #7623 on: July 16, 2019, 04:33:28 PM »
uh oh! Zookie! Are you sure you want to step in that same turd? Some people might think you are a far left wingnuts for trying to point that out!
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« Reply #7624 on: July 16, 2019, 04:39:06 PM »
uh oh! Zookie! Are you sure you want to step in that same turd? Some people might think you are a far left wingnuts for trying to point that out!

No, not really. I myself have been the victim of the "some of my best friends are..." fallacy in the past, and I have also been the perpetrator of it in the past as well. But then I learned better. And when you learn better, you can do better. So I try to be better.
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« Reply #7625 on: July 16, 2019, 09:50:19 PM »
uh oh! Zookie! Are you sure you want to step in that same turd? Some people might think you are a far left wingnuts for trying to point that out!

No, not really. I myself have been the victim of the "some of my best friends are..." fallacy in the past, and I have also been the perpetrator of it in the past as well. But then I learned better. And when you learn better, you can do better. So I try to be better.

Me too as well! I am not perfect either.
My main issue if we can get back to that is that no one is calling for the Goodwin law anymore, as we are past that and looking more like a totalitarian govt in the making. Being a Republican is not a requirement of being called one, but advocating to locking up siblings and their family into a concentration camp meets the requirement of being called out as one. It's a common enemy of democracy that most of us understand to some degree as being bad, and forbidding to use the terms doesn't make the problem go away. Just today ICE did some rounding up of immigrants with breaking and entering peoples home in Hillsboro county with video to prove it. They are not suppose to enter a home without a warrant, but they are now embolden to ignore it. Anne Frank was round up in this fashion by the Germans authority.
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« Reply #7626 on: July 17, 2019, 06:00:00 PM »

On not being able to “label” the president’s tweets as offensive, or “racist.” This is textbook emotional/psychological abuse. Labelling can be name-calling, especially labelling disguised as truth-telling. The abuser is free to lie about and label the victim, but not vice versa. Here, the Squad is called Communist, Socialist, anti-American, even “filthy” and “disgusting,” and told to “go back to their countries.” They are the victims of unfair, unjust, and untrue labels. When they attempt to call out the abusive behavior, they find that the Republican House Parliamentarians of 2016 had already foreclosed the recourse of condemning the President as a racist by House rule changes explicitly forbidding this. So now the labelling is legally uni-directional. Abuse comes from the imbalance of power, from the ability of one person to hurt another, but not vice versa.

Yet, now we see in plain sight and in writing that the president’s tweets were textbook racism. First, he denied tweeting it, then he denied that its intent was racist. This is yet another form of psychological abuse. This is textbook “gaslighting,” where the abuser denies the abusive behavior in order to hijack the victim’s reality. Now, reality and perception are controlled uni-directionally by the abuser.

Is it “abusive” to call out and label the abuser’s abuse? No, because it is truth-telling in order to remedy the original unfair and unjust behavior. Tl, dr...fuck off, Fox & Friends.

-- via wonkette


and a necessary reminder:


The Root: Opinion: "The Unofficial Guide to Whitesplaining Racism", by Michael Harriot

Racism: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior —The Oxford/English Dictionary

Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) was born in Detroit. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was born in the Bronx. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) immigrated to America in 1992 and became an American citizen in 2000, six years before Donald Trump’s wife.

They are all Americans.

Seventy-eight percent of the members who serve in Congress are white, including 24 of the 52 members who are immigrants or the children of immigrants. Separating these four women out from what President Donald Trump called the “greatest and most powerful nation” and telling them to “go back” to the “totally broken and crime-infested” countries “from which they came” was not only an example of prejudice, discrimination and antagonism, but shows that he was targeting these duly-elected congresswomen for one reason:

They are not white.

And that is why Donald Trump’s tweet was, by definition, undeniably racist.

...while others condemn the GOP’s cowardly attempts at truth-avoidance, The Root decided to highlight the positive aspects of pervasive race-dodging by compiling a handy-dandy guide that can serve future generations of Caucasians who desperately want to whitesplain why they, too, cannot be racist.

Step 1: Don’t EVER say the word “racist.”

Step 2: Prove you’re not racist.

Step 3: Deflect.

There are four deflection strategies that work really well:

* The “But What About” technique: When things get really hairy, feel free to bring up, communism, the murder rate in Chicago, how the KKK was originally composed of Democrats and, if all else fails, Barack Obama.

* Lie: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell simply said: “The president is not a racist.” It must be true because he said it. See how easy that was?

* Ignore the racism part: Trump’s deputy director of communications pushed back against claims of racism by pretending he didn’t see the part of Trump’s tweet that told the four women to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came.”

* Run: Like Mitt Romney.

Step 4: Redefine racism.

Step 5: Point out the “real racists.”


...If you use these techniques, you will be able to slee p well at night. There is only one other tried-and-true technique that is definitively proven to squash all accusations of racism:

Just don’t be racist.

But of course...

Who does that?       
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« Reply #7627 on: July 17, 2019, 06:06:30 PM »
The question must be asked: why did this distraction come up now?


On Tuesday, the network responsible for such hard-hitting coverage as what it’s like having the name Lakeisha, asked Richard Spencer, the man who coined the phrase “alt-right,” to appear in a pre-taped segment of Jake Tapper’s The Lead. To be fair, it was a slow news day that only featured the death of a Supreme Court justice; the House of Representatives’ vote to condemn Trump’s tweets; the attorney general determining that black lives don’t matter; Rep. Al Green’s formally submitting articles of impeachment; Space Jam 2 changing directors; R. Kelly pleading not guilty to federal charges; Jeffrey Epstein’s piles of cash and the plague of Tennessee swamp gators getting hooked on toilet meth.


Oh, and Robert Mueller's testimony before Congress was postponed to next week.
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« Reply #7628 on: July 17, 2019, 08:28:20 PM »
Favour Nazi's do I? Some of my friends are jewish, so I highly doubt that. Then again, you call anyone who doesn't agree with your leftist ideology as a Nazi. 

Hold on here! If you have to point out that you have friends that are Jew, then you are probably a racist. for pointing that out.

What the hell? You think I may be a racist because I said that? You are aware what the Nazi's did to the jews during World War II? The Nazi's hated the Jews, i was merely pointing out that since I had friends who were jewish I would hardly side with Nazi's...

No, I am not racist. I have friends who hail from Pakistan, India, Yemen all over the place. I don't care what their ethnicity is, just that they are good people. Incidentally, my wife and daughter holiday with our (American) Jewish friends and have stayed in each others houses during holidays.


(In what follows, I shall be using the second person plural form of the word "you", not the second person singular.)

salem, allow me to use this quick-and-dirty metaphor to help explain why, even with the best of intentions, it can be a problem to say "some of my best friends are ______..." while implying "...therefore I cannot be discriminatory towards other people who are also ______":

Person A is an omnivore but passionately dislikes the idea of vegetarianism, thinking that it is absurd to decide not to ever eat meat. In a discussion about diets and dietary restrictions, Person A says:

"Some of my best friends are vegan but if you don't like eating steak, you are an idiot and you probably have sex with your own sibling."

Just because you are friends with someone who is ______ does not necessarily mean that you don't also vehemently hate or are discriminatory against other people who don't have the privilege of being your friend but who are also ______.

One of the clearest examples of this is Thomas Jefferson. While simultaneously writing the stirring words of the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

he not only kept hundreds of men, women and children of African descent in chattel slavery for decades, he repeatedly sexually violated those women and kept the offspring of those heinous acts in chattel slavery as well. Not to mention his "innovations" in the area of "race quantum". (I can't post the video here because it contains minors but go to the "Are you "Black" or "African American?" | Say It Loud" video from PBS Digital Studios on YouTube for a brief examination of his thoughts on this.)

Especially in the past few years there have been many many many many many high profile examples of why the "some of my best friends are ______" fallacy is such a problem.

The truth is, all saying "some of my best friends are ______" proves is that you have some friends who are ______. It doesn't prove or disprove whether or not you are discriminatory towards other people who also are ______. You can't use your "friends" as a shield against accusations of being discriminatory against other people who are also ______. You can't use your "friends" as a token, because that's not what friends do. Doing that implies "oh, you're not like those other nasty ______ people -- you're special. You're one of the good ones."

Not quite the same thing. I wasn't using the 'some of my friends are___' to point out that I am not racist, I was using it to point out the absurdity that I was a Nazi. 3deroticer, in his usual cackhanded way, used it as an example that I was a racist because I mentioned it. Not sure why this whole Nazi/Jew thing is so hard to grasp. maybe I am not explaining it right. Maybe I need a huge diagram written in crayon. Unless Nazi means something totally different now, like the Fourth Reich (as it may be called now), are all cuddly and lovable. My view of Nazi's was that they hated Jews. I don't think many Nazi's (in the true sense, like, during WWII) went on holiday with jewish people. They preferred to put them in camps in an effort to wipe them out. I was merely pointing out the irony.

Here is a metaphor for you, about how absurd this all is.

Jim, Bob and Joe want to eat. Jim suggest that they go for Chinese food, Bob says 'what about Indian food?' and Joe says 'How about Fish and Chips'? Because of this Jim and Bob decide that Joe is a racist and never speak to him again, what is more, Joe was unfortunately wearing a red jumper that day, so he was labelled a communist too.

I get what you are saying Zook, but you can't seriously call someone a racist because they say they have Jewish friends! not least of course because being jewish is a religious thing, and not a race thing for starters. It's a bit like being called a racist for hating Catholics or protestants.

My final point being that of course, since Nazi's wanted to wipe jews out, I'm not sure being friends with them was ever really on the cards, hence my comment.

It's a bit like me saying 'I have a drivers license, so it is very unlikely that I would walk everywhere' and someone deducing from that, that I hate cyclists.

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« Reply #7629 on: July 17, 2019, 10:54:43 PM »
Salem All I can say is you need a lot of help and so far 3 people with post and links to why you cant use your friends as a shield to prove that you are not a racist is apparently not enough. The drama is fascinating, you have abundant of energy to keep it going! You should take your own advice and take a break and breathe.
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« Reply #7630 on: July 19, 2019, 04:46:03 PM »
I don't usually read the comments on Yahoo! News items because they are such a cesspool, but this one struck me.


"Who would impeach a president who is governing over an historical booming economy with the lowest unemployment in decades and an approval rating of almost 90% in the party that controls the Senate?

Where we’re going, unemployment has been falling for two years and is at 4.9%. Last quarter’s GDP growth was 10.3%, and the current quarter’s will be 4.4%. Core inflation is 3.1% The economy is doing fine. The President has a 90% approval rating with his own party and a 70% approval rating overall.

It’s May 1973. The president is Richard Nixon. The Watergate hearings are about to begin in Congress."
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« Reply #7631 on: July 20, 2019, 02:49:41 PM »
Salem All I can say is you need a lot of help and so far 3 people with post and links to why you cant use your friends as a shield to prove that you are not a racist is apparently not enough. The drama is fascinating, you have abundant of energy to keep it going! You should take your own advice and take a break and breathe.

You are the one who needs the  help it seems, as no matter how clear I make it, you just don't seem to get it.

'The some of my best friends are trope' (which incidentally, I did not say I merely said 'Some of my friends are') is simply not relevant in this case given the polarising nature of jews and Nazi's. If you don't know what this is, crack open a history book every now and again. A bit like saying I have black friends, so I am hardly likely to be in the KKK. IF you can find any KK members with black friends to prove your point, I'd love to hear about it.

Sure, some people may use the 'Some of my best friends are ' thing, but seriously, if you have black/asian/hispanic etc friends and are a racist, why are you friends with them in the first place and why more importantly would they be friends with you? Seems a little absurd to me. It's not like people can go to their GP and have a 'racist' test.

'Yes Mr Jones, the test results are in, you are 47% racist, take one of these pills every day for a month and we'll retest you'

The absurdity is, you labelling me racist because i said I could hardly be a Nazi sympathizer if I had jewish friends. As far as I am aware, racists the world over aren't building concentration camps to wipe out whole races, like the Nazi's did to the jews. Which is why I mentioned it, nothing to do with trying to prove that I wasn't a racist. Of course explaining this to you for the umpteenth time is pointless, since you are a grade A clown and obviously think that jews and Nazi's somehow have forgiven and forgotten all that went on in world war two.

Finally...

you said

I am more impress with your drama than the actual issue. white supremacist its bad! You still don't get the irony of saying you can't be a racist against color people when you have white Jewish people as your friend as proof? I'm sorry if pointing that out made you so upset. Taking a break is a good idea!

Clearly you are delusional because I never once stated that I could not be racist againt coloured people as I had jewish friends, I said 'Favour Nazi's do I? Some of my friends are jewish, so I highly doubt that.'

I never said

I can't be a racist, (I said that it was doubtful that I sided with Nazi's)
Anything against hispanic people (all in your imagination)
I can't be a racist against coloured people because I had jewish friends

Get your facts straight, twisting the facts to suit your argument simply means you have already lost it.

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« Reply #7632 on: July 20, 2019, 02:51:28 PM »
Incidentally...

if anyone on here knows any Nazi's personally who are friends with jewish families please let me know. I'd love to hear how that dynamic works...

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« Reply #7633 on: July 20, 2019, 04:06:16 PM »
Go watch Archie Bunker in "All of the family" there are many episode of where he befriends with non-white people and yet was still a racist. It is a fictional character, but people have responded that they knew people that were just like Archie Bunker, Hell! Mitch McConnell is a racist and yet married to an Asian women. Figure that one out?!?!?
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« Reply #7634 on: July 20, 2019, 09:37:04 PM »
@salem Its no use, its pointless. Some people deep down inside feel they are always right and never give up till the very end. They are like spoiled brats. At this point, even if you revealed you are an orthodox Jew, some will still find a way to justify calling you a Nazi. Thats where we're at.

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Anyway, lets recap the situation that has caused this - illegal immigration right? A simple opinion on it that doesnt fall in line with liberal ideology, and BOOM, racist.

*First, there was NO CRISIS at the border.
*Then it was a "Manufactured Crisis" Remember that? All day, up and down, every mainstream media outlet repeated those words. We had that Government Shutdown because of it.
*Lets not forget that then it was the Democrats who voted against funding Border Security including facilities that would include, you guessed it, everything that they are mad about now; beds, food, basic necessities.
*Then Democrats parade around incentivizing more immigration, knowing damn well the problems of being overrun and not enough funds.
*Now there are supposedly concentrations camps at the border and its all Trumps fault.

Stayed tuned next week to see where the clown show leads us next at the debates!
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