Post by: 34G on April 20, 2005, 10:45:15 PM
Post by: Rhiannon on April 20, 2005, 10:48:43 PM
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: 34G on April 21, 2005, 12:38:52 AM
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 09:58:19 AM
I know he has worked on other models, hopefully they will come forward to give you their opinions. I am sure they will NOT differ with Mine...but I guess it is always best to get a second opinion...
I will continue with My experience regarding Dr. Baeke with My next post...I don't want to bore you...Ask Me ANYTHING!!!
XOX,
Rhiannon
I will post a pic to show you his work...I will post the before pic also ...then we can compare notes..I will designate which is before and after...Although I am sure you will be able to tell...
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 09:59:50 AM
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 10:13:06 AM
I want to keep you in suspense before I put up the "after" shot...
Rhiannon
Post by: MacK on April 21, 2005, 02:32:45 PM
--MacK
Post by: Heres_Buffie on April 21, 2005, 07:31:13 PM
His skill is mind-blowing. He is extremely intelligent but personable and kind. As Rhiannon told you, he will take as much time as you need. It's very important to him that his patients are comfortable and have confidence in his work. Then there's his staff. I LOVE those guys. The nurses were gentle, attentive and cheerful. The other staff members are so much fun, you can tell they love where they work.
I am probably not Dr. Baeke's average patient body-type, but he never made me feel like I was less-than-worthy. I had been to other surgeons before I discovered Dr. Baeke and more than once I was told 'after you lose weight, we can talk about breast implants'. Narrow-minded snobs! But not Dr. Baeke. Never did he act judgemental, nor did his staff. He was completely respectful. I'd like to get bigger boobs eventually and Dr. Baeke will be the only one I call when I'm ready.
Best of luck to you, whatever you decide. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Hugs,
~Buffie
Post by: 34G on April 21, 2005, 07:39:25 PM
Post by: 34G on April 21, 2005, 08:04:53 PM
Post by: edgarj100 on April 21, 2005, 09:34:50 PM
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 09:43:42 PM
Finding the BEST SURGEON is not about convenience. It is about CARE and RESULTS!!! Always keep that in mind when seeking a surgeon to perform any procedure on you.
As far as "boob jobs" there were only a handful of surgeons attempting this task. Just because he claims his specialty are breasts does NOT make him a qualified big bust surgeon. This is a whole different animal.
Dr. Baeke has an extensive list from high profile big bust girls, "newbees" to the business, right on down to your everyday girl who he has given the over-inflated look we love so much. Now this is the surgeon for Me!!! I was tired of being some doctor's guinea pig and lab rat for experimentation purposes. Enough was enough of these quacks for Me.
I cannot begin to tell you how much Dr. Baeke has done for Me,for My self-esteem and for My career...Once I was actually out of business for 2 whole years due to numerous poor surgeries. When I met Dr. Baeke I was so afraid to tell him My bad history. I was frightened that he would rfuse My case. When he asked Me to tell him about My previous surgeries I nearly died. I thought, "Great the only Dr. I actually had confidence in, based upon the other busty mdel's experiences, is going to tell Me to go home". On the contrary!!! He reached out to Me and assured Me I would be delighted with the results he guaranteed Me. He was full of compassion and confidence. A perfect blend for someone like Me who was scared to death of another procedure.
I LOVE HIM and I know you will too!!! Don't be a fool...Take the trip to Kansas. It will be your first and ONLY stop. Now that I will guarantee!!! I am walking proof of his abilities!!!
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 09:45:53 PM
First clothed!!!
Please tell Me what you think...
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 21, 2005, 10:01:20 PM
Thank you for supporting My thoughts about Dr. Baeke. It is about time there is a "real" doctor for us girls to go to with confidence. I have been to every surgeon in the past that proclaims "he's the big bust Dr." What a series of nightmares!!! And the saddest part of all, is that Dr. Baeke is so humble so few girls even know about him. Well, at least us lucky girls do!!! Some of the other surgeons run ridiculous ads seeking women for their experiments they call sugery. I was lucky enough to find out about Dr. Baeke here on the forum by another busty girl named Sasha. When she gave Me the list of the high profile girls he was responsible for I was amazed...I thought I had died and went to heaven!!! I am dying to leak a couple of names but I do not want to invade anyone's privacy.Instead I am going to post on their threads and ask them to share their thoughts as you so did.
Dr. Baeke is not arrogant or flamboyant like the others that parade their successes...never hearing about the poor girls that were victimized. Hopefully we can be his mouth piece and spread the word here on the forum.
Thank you again for coming forward to commend the work of this dedicated skillful surgeon. Finally a Doctor that truly deserves the recognition!!!
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Heres_Buffie on April 21, 2005, 11:44:44 PM
You are very welcome. I absolutely support Your thoughts on Dr. B. Like You, I hope some of his other patients will speak up and sing his well-deserved praises. I think they will.
You look awesome and I'm so happy that Your surgery was a success.
Next time You're in KC, look me up!
Oh, one more thing regarding Dr. Baeke and his staff. He has a nurse who does iiincredible lips. I've had fat-transfers, collagen, dermologen and hylaform, all to varying degrees of success as far as the life of the filler. And the resulting look was often less than satisfactory. After saving a little extra $$$, I called Dr. Baeke's office to talk about some lip plumping and I scheduled an appointment with his nurse, Keri. She gave me the most symmetrical, perfect pouty lips I've ever had. She has the gift. There is amazing talent hiding away in Kansas City.
Thanks again for Your post Rhiannon. We are lucky, indeed!
Hugs,
~Buffie
Post by: Rhiannon on April 22, 2005, 12:01:06 AM
I will DEFINITELY be taking a trip to My FAVORITE state, KANSAS as soon as I can break away...My friend is scheduling surgery soon and I would like to meet her there. Besides, I really miss the whole Baeke clan and would love to drop in to chat. I consider them somewhat of an extended family since they are responsible for My healthy new twins...
Either way, you and I should definitely meet!!!
Xox,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 22, 2005, 12:05:37 AM
Yes, I MUST tell you how beautiful your lips are...
Speaking of beautiful we should probably state Dr. Baeke's site...
www.beautifulbreasts.com
Pouty kisses to you...
Rhiannon
Post by: zeno on April 22, 2005, 09:26:57 AM
Post by: The_Rocketeer on April 22, 2005, 02:18:44 PM
http://www.bearchive.com/~Rocketeer/Enhanced1.mov
Fine work indeed.
Post by: Dick_Woods on April 22, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
"Well one thing I have learned in the past is that just because a surgeon is close to home does NOT necessarily make him the right surgeon for our "big bust" goals. For example, I live 20 mins outside of NYC. You would think that I would have been able to find someone there since it is a hop, skip and a jump for Me. NO!!! Not that simple. The last surgeon I used in NYC is about to lose his liscence to practice. He has a class action suit of over 200 women he botched. Obviously, not a surgeon I want to revisit."
You know....we just came very close to making the same mistake with that very same surgeon....luckily we were able to recognize some of the warning signs even before we found out about the lawsuits....Jane now has her letter in for 1400cc bags, pending approval with another doctor who's work we have all seen and admired......sometimes a plane ride is just worth it...
P.S....one day I'll have to learn how to do quotes the right way on here...damn I suck at this...
Post by: Rhiannon on April 22, 2005, 08:50:16 PM
Be sure when you decide to take a plane ride to a surgeon you are flying in the "right" direction....
Feel free to PM regarding your Dr. Perhaps a little homework might save Jane a few headaches..
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
Post by: 34G on April 22, 2005, 09:22:58 PM
Post by: 34G on April 22, 2005, 09:26:55 PM
Post by: Nimrod on April 22, 2005, 10:19:57 PM
The architecture is great! If I do say so myself.
Post by: Rhiannon on April 23, 2005, 12:51:14 PM
There is a cafe where you can relax and enjoy a latte or tea while waiting for your visit. It is also a great place where your companion can wait while Dr. Baeke is performing his magic.
I also took full advantage of the other incredible services the facility offers. These included all types of massage, skincare treatments and manicure/pedicures. I wish I had had more time to pamper Myself in "Suzzane's Spa". They have so many "extras" that I just did not get the opportunity to experience.
Believe it or not, while I was there I booked out full days just in the spa area alone and still missed half of the exceptional services they offer!!!
It is a "full-treatment" facility that caters to the complete you!!!
Rhiannon
Post by: Heres_Buffie on April 23, 2005, 03:44:23 PM
Your question isn't out of line at all. I have actually never done anything for a magazine. I see people talking about CLEAVAGE all the time and they say great things. If Your pictures are any indication, it's a kickass mag. I also saw the preview pic of Keisha's set and it was wonderful. I am so flattered and honored to be invited to Your party! I will email You to discuss it further. Thanks again and again!
YOU are the Kissy Lips Queen, Rhiannon. Did Keri do Yours?
I'll be in touch with You soon, Rhiannon!
Lots of Hugs!!!
Hiya 34G,
Thank you for your compliment, that was sweet of ya! Yes, I can't believe I forgot to metion to boutique! Duh!
It's as wonderful as can be expected from Dr. Baeke's place. Angie runs it and she's fabulous! Gorgeous bras and lingerie, beautiful jewelry and sexy Nicole Miller handbags! The spa is dreamy. You'll have a great experience, I'm certain!
Best Wishes,
~Buffie
Post by: Norse on April 23, 2005, 05:46:09 PM
Post by: 34G on April 23, 2005, 09:42:58 PM
I was actually able to book my consultation with the doctor by calling on a Saturday. I am very excited and can't wait for my appointment. The office staff was very nice on the phone.
Post by: Dick_Woods on April 24, 2005, 05:25:23 AM
Thank you for your kind offer, we might just take you up on it. Presently things are going well between Jane and her perspective surgeon. But as you know there are always things that can change. If you think about it though, it *is* amazing that you can't get this done in Manhattan.
Post by: MacK on April 24, 2005, 06:35:47 AM
That is disappointing.
Because that is where I'd hoped my wife could have it done.
Thanks for the advice Rhiannon and Dick.
Back to the drawing board.
--MacK
Post by: aspiringG on April 24, 2005, 02:42:12 PM
Dr. Baeke sounds like a great surgeon. And based on both of your testimonials' and pics he obviously knows what he is doing with large implants. Something most surgeons don't care to do or even discuss. You both look great! I am scheduled to have surgery in late May with another surgeon, Dr. Rey. If I decide to go even bigger later I will definitely travel to Kansas to see Dr. Baeke. Thank you again for your testimonials about Dr. Baeke.
Post by: Rhiannon on April 24, 2005, 04:39:01 PM
I wish I had known about him before I subjected Myself to so many other non-talented surgeons. Don't fool yourself. It is not our bodies that create the problems it is our choice of surgeons. It is not even the up-sizing that causes issues, unlike what so many ill-equipped surgeons will tell you after they mess you up. Oh yes, how many of these unskilled surgeons blamed My body for things that were clearly not My fault. It took Me years to get back in the game. Ask around. So many other models have the same story. Bottom line here is I am offering you information about an incredible surgeon. Obviously what you do with it is up to you. Just remember the choices you make today can deeply effect you later...
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 24, 2005, 10:08:49 PM
Dr. Baeke himself had touched up My lips for Me. I have had previous injections prior to meeting Dr. Baeke but felt a touch up never hurts. I love your lips. The shape is absolutely beautiful.
Thank you for your kind thoughts regarding CLEAVAGE. We take alot of pride in our work. I am glad you mentioned Keisha because Dr. Baeke is responsible for her extraordinary enhancement. I believe she will be the biggest bust girl ever in the history of this industry.
I am posting the preview pic of Keisha that Anton shot of her for our mags...Just in case someone may have missed it that would like to see another sample of Dr. Baeke's incredible skills...
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Heres_Buffie on April 26, 2005, 09:06:29 PM
Not only did Dr. Baeke do a fantastic job on Your breasts, he out-did himself on Your lips! I'm so flattered that You think mine are cute, giggles!!! Coming from You, ~blush~ ... Ohkay, I'll stop now.
It is actually Keisha's website that led me to Dr. Baeke. After seeing her amazing assets, I thought to myself, why bother talking to any other surgeon.
Anton's photo of Keisha is AWESOME! Did You do her make up? She's lovely and in that picture, she's lovely on 11! I've been a professional make up artist for over 10 years and I know great work when I see it. Kudos!
Talk to You soon, Rhiannon! I'm really looking forward to meeting You.
Many Hugs,
~Buffie
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 26, 2005, 10:31:23 PM
but still quite significant.Now for the irony: I used to live in Overland Park (about 8 miles north of his office, near 91st & Metcalf). But this was before I even knew about Dr. Baeke's existence.
We've got good friends in the area, so we have every excuse to drop by.
Of course, it would make better sense for us to stay in a nearby hotel if/when (looking more like 'when' and less like 'if') my wife ends up with Dr. Baeke, for all the obvious reasons. I guess the only 'gotcha' with travelling such a distance is that post-op expandables may not be an option, as I can't imagine any other surgeon (local to us here in Dallas) would take on the periodic post-op fills, given that they're not likely to feel comfy managing some other surgeon's work post-operatively. (Feel free to correct me if you know otherwise.)Hmm... thinking out loud here... maybe an initial surgery with post-op expandables, and instead of going back every month, perhaps going back every few months and playing catch-up with the fills. *shrug*
Tangent alert: For you folks in the Overland Park area, one of my friends is a licensed massage therapist, specializing in shiatsu, sotai, moxy, acupuncture, cupping, etc. Drop me a note privately if you'd like his contact info.
Very informative discussion, btw. Many thanks to all!
Post by: MacK on April 27, 2005, 04:49:53 AM
You've put your finger right on the vulnerability in the plan. How does my wife get the monthly fillups that gradually take her beyond the initial 450-550 to 800 -- and beyond.
Hmmm. There's the rud!
--MacK
Post by: 34G on April 27, 2005, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: tubesman on April 28, 2005, 05:01:12 AM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 28, 2005, 07:36:27 AM
While I would agree that if one has deep pockets and the freedom to take time off work (repeatedly) that it would be best to let the surgeon handle all the post-op fills, you've actually voiced an option I'd thought of but didn't think any surgeon would consider doing, ie, let the patient help herself.
So, in the case of your friends, which type of post-op expandable were they using? If the type with the fill-tube left in place (typically through the armpit), then I can't see any reason why your friends would have had the infection (at least as relating to the post-op fills), unless they pumped up too quickly (eg, 100cc per day or per week, instead of per month). If they were using the type of implant where there's a magnetic ring embedded in the implant to help locate the fill port and thus the fills require breaking the skin each time with a hypodermic, then I can see the greater risk for infection quite easily.
I would think that so long as we watch the sutures like a hawk and watch for other telltale signs of infection (and even visit a local surgeon just to have him say, "Looks good, no infection") then I'd think my wife would be golden if we were to do the post-op fills ourselves (assuming the fill tube were already readily available, ie, the armpits).
Thanks again for the tip. I just thought that surgeons would be loathe to even consider this.
Post by: MacK on April 28, 2005, 08:21:37 AM
Patient self-injection.
This is where we need Melonie's expert input.
A couple of thoughts from a layperson (me.)
1. My impression is that with an axillary injection port, the port is subcutaneous. Meaning that every injection will penetrate the skin.
2. Every needle stick is a potential source of infection. I just realized that that cavalier alcohol swab in the doctor's office is not as cavalier as I thought. Prep for the injection is probably very important.
3. An implant (and the injection tube, etc.) is a foreign body and automatically a source of sensitivity to the body.
But we do need Melonie to weigh in on this.
--MacK
Post by: aspiringG on April 28, 2005, 11:33:02 AM
Post by: Rhiannon on April 28, 2005, 02:19:19 PM
Actually Porn Star EXOTICA did Keisha's make-up application for the shoot. She is as fantastic a make-up artist as she is an Entertainer...
I am glad you told Me you do make-up because while here at the party I am sure many girls could use your assistance!!!
I would like to discuss all with you...
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on April 28, 2005, 02:24:10 PM
Girls choose your surgeon with extreme caution...
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 28, 2005, 05:35:44 PM
Melonie would definitely have good input. I'm certain ninjrk would have very good input as well. Possibly others, too.
My lay-responses to yours
:1) Ah yes. I believe you're right there. I don't know what the hell I was thinking, but I was pretty tired when I posted last time. So yes, the injections will penetrate the skin. Same can be said for insulin users as well, though.
2) Agreed, every needle stick carries a risk of infection. I don't think I'd stop at just an alcohol swab, though. Being intimately familiar with body pierces, I would definitely opt for generous swabs of Betadine instead. Oh, and we'll use sterile disposable latex gloves as well.
3) Yes, an implant and fill tube are foreign bodies, but arguably the most sensitive to the body during the healing phases. I'm definitely not a health expert, but my understanding is that the risk drops off asymptotically over time. So if you can make it to 8 weeks with no adverse infectious reaction, you're probably in the clear.
I do wonder though, if the friends of 34G's were perhaps a little overenthusiastic about filling, and maybe within the first few weeks decided to kick it up a notch (or two or three).
I really don't know, but if you ponder that there's a foreign body, elevated white blood cell count during the healing process, and perhaps somewhat fresh sutures, one's overzealousness on topping up might possibly bring on a rather unfortunate infection.On the flip side, there are occasionally women who don't even get post-op expandables, but end up with post-op infections. So maybe it was just the luck of the draw.
At any rate, unless we win the lottery, I still can't see taking off lots and lots of time from work to jet-set between here and Kansas City. This could be much ado about nothing, as Dr Baeke might already have a solution in hand for patients who want to fly in and return home soon afterwards.
Post by: MacK on April 28, 2005, 06:31:46 PM
My lay-response to your lay-response to my lay-response is:
I don't disagree with anything you've said.
Over to you Chet. Er, I mean Melonie.
--MacK
Post by: 34G on April 29, 2005, 01:25:47 AM
I agree with the betadine v alcohol but it is not recommended to have betadine exposure to an implant. It has been shown to breakdown the shell of the implant. Surgeons use to put betadine directly in the pocket and also bathe the implant in betadine before implanting. Now if that is done the manufacture will not cover replacing the implant.
After this subject started I researched further some sterile technique that may work well; apply the betadine and let it dry for ~ 3-4 minutes then wipe the area with alcohol using a sterile gause or swab. Inject in the center of that area.
I can understand the money issue of traveling for fills and agree the expense can be too much.
I can't hurt to ask the surgeon about doing it yourselves,I know people who go home with intervenous catheters getting medicine.
Possibly another idea would be to just pay a home health nurse to make a house call, I called after have this idea and they run ~ $75 to $150 per visit. Just a thought!
Post by: Rhiannon on April 29, 2005, 01:41:33 AM
I know how badly My fellow busty model feels right now.
Let Me tell you something. Imagine going into a sugery with yor hopes set so high that you are going to come out bigger and better then ever. Oh yes. How many times I have been there. And guess what? You come out and the problems begin. It fills you with despair even lonliness. You watch your life, hopes and dreams flash before your eyes. It is a horrible feeling to lose control of your life and situation. Everything STOPS for a big bust model when her boobs go "bust". My life was on hold for 2 WHOLE years as I limped My way back. I sat for months at a time with NO implant on My right side. And trust Me I did not have any boobs when I started so you could imagine how bad this looked; distorted and mangled skin dangling shapelessly from My empty chest cavity. All of this due to poor surgery. There are MANY incompetent surgeons out there that practice their experiments on us hungry victims.
I would like to post a few pix of My "botch jobs" but I am so ashamed of them. Perhaps i will think about it if I feel I need to get My point across.
In the meantime, I will post a Dr. Baeke pic and say a prayer for My friend that she have a speedy recovery. I know she is in the best hands...To be in Dr. Baeke's care is like being in the hands of God...
What can I say...I adore him!!!
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 29, 2005, 07:53:11 AM
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It was a port under the arm for both of them and the onset of the infection was 2 months after surgery for one and the other just over 1 month. Both girls were trying to do the fills by themselves and it can't be easy to manipulate a syringe and find the port by looking in the mirror. They both ended up having their implants removed and later replaced with an implant that had no port. I have since lost track of them and have no clue if they continued to have problems. I don't know if they filled too quickly or not.
Zoiks! Well I can certainly understand the difficulty of trying to do it yourself. Probably about as easy as trying to tie your shoes with one hand, or button your shirt with one hand.
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I agree with the betadine v alcohol but it is not recommended to have betadine exposure to an implant. It has been shown to breakdown the shell of the implant. Surgeons use to put betadine directly in the pocket and also bathe the implant in betadine before implanting. Now if that is done the manufacture will not cover replacing the implant.
Interesting. And good to know.
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After this subject started I researched further some sterile technique that may work well; apply the betadine and let it dry for ~ 3-4 minutes then wipe the area with alcohol using a sterile gause or swab. Inject in the center of that area.
Excellent. Thanks for the tip. Seems you've done your homework.
I would also think that (assuming I were to do it for my wife) that I would use my free latex-covered hand to 'pinch' the fill-tube (through the skin) in order to center it and hold it steady.
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I can understand the money issue of traveling for fills and agree the expense can be too much.
Not purely the money. Imagine asking your employer again and again for time off. Every month. And trying to come up with a reasonable excuse. "Well my wife just got these really huge breast implants, and we need to fly to the surgeon to get topped up...."
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I can't hurt to ask the surgeon about doing it yourselves,I know people who go home with intervenous catheters getting medicine.
I can well imagine that a surgeon wouldn't exactly toss the syringes and saline supply over his shoulder and say "go for it". Given that they have to aim for the lowest common denominator, they would no doubt start out in a patronizing manner (no different than going to a dentist to get some work done, eg, "Okay I'll need to inject this to freeze the area... you're going to feel a little pinch... there....") until they're convinced that the patient is reasonably intelligent.
Not exactly a fair analogy, but back in university I'd gotten braces. I couldn't easily make the trip back to my dentist on a monthly basis, so he supplied me with this elastic material which I think was called C-chain. Using a modified paper clip (I don't think he would have given me a periodontal probe to do this), I could quickly replace my old C-chain with a fresh strip. After I showed him how, he was impressed and said I could continue to do so and come back to the office for checkups less frequently.
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Possibly another idea would be to just pay a home health nurse to make a house call, I called after have this idea and they run ~ $75 to $150 per visit. Just a thought!
Hmm. Interesting thought. And they'd have no problems injecting saline into an implant fill port? I'm sure they're acquainted with the usual injectibles, but this is a little bit different. Again, your diligence is appreciated.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 29, 2005, 08:00:42 AM
Your ebullient references to the good doctor have not gone unnoticed. And I can't even imagine what you have gone through in the past, and what your model friend is going through now. At this point, he definitely sounds like the best bet for my wife getting hers done.
Your story is a compelling one, and you've already posted a pic which illustrates what can go wrong. Unless you feel absolutely compelled to do so, I see no reason for you to post additional pics which bring back harsh memories of shame.
On a somewhat related topic, I have a more technical question for you, if I may. Given that one can only order 800cc rated implants in the USA and overfill those, I take it that Dr Baeke ordered yours from somewhere else (Eurosil?) and imported them? Given that Melonie has recommended that my wife aim straight away for 2,000cc to correct her grade 3 ptosis and avoid lift scars (and go really big in the process
), I'd just like to get an idea of the logistics involved. Thanks!
Post by: Rhiannon on April 29, 2005, 02:27:02 PM
Yes, I have only worn imported implants for the last 9 years. The last set Dr. Baeke did order on My behalf due to FDA regulations.
I must say, despite the fact I had developed leaks in My double lumen (the saline envelope in the seam leaked), I filled them at home without any complications for many years. You must be very careful so as not to compromise exposure to bacteria that would definitely result in infection. Maybe I was just lucky with the fills but the double lumen did bite Me in the ass by leaking as well as having faulty fill ports. I had the fill port changed numerous times so I could continue My inflation. The bag is so tempramental that the company NO LONGER produces them. Obviously, I was not the only one who had complications with that style of implant.
This sentence you posted I am quoting. I am not sure of what you are asking. "Given that Melonie has recommended that my wife aim straight away for 2,000cc to correct her grade 3 ptosis and avoid lift scars (and go really big in the process ), I'd just like to get an idea of the logistics involved. Thanks! "
Are you asking should she just go ahead and get a 2000 gel implant and avoid the inflation process? Are you concerned about the limited sizes available in the US market?
Please clarify so I can respond more accurately.
But for the record. If your wife has the ability to get to her desired size in one process...go for it. Dr. Baeke can acquire the 2000's at this time. The only company that was still manufacturing larger implants is in the midst of major changes. Mr. MaGhan (formerly of our US manufacturer MaGhan) bought the European company and in My opinion is really fuc---- it up for us aspiring big bust want-to-be's. I spoke with the company rep that I had been dealing with for years and he stated that they too may be restricting their sizes in the VERY near future...So if you need a big size I would get on it ASAP while they still are producing the larger sizes.
I would love to comment more but I want to make sure I am answering you appropriately based upon your concerns...
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
Dr. Baeke's # is 913 685-0101 Speak with Suzanne. She is a registered RN as well as the office manager. She is extremely informative. Do tell her that you found them on the BEA.
Post by: Rhiannon on April 29, 2005, 02:29:43 PM
I am here with Porn Star Exotica. You will see this lay-out coming soon in one of our publications...Also you can view the WHOLE shoot on My site....
Rhiannon
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 29, 2005, 06:12:54 PM
I was actually asking about implants in general, and in the case of my wife's first surgery, the saline post-op expandables. The thing is, if we want to avoid a lift (to correct the grade 3 ptosis), we should take Melonie's advice and shoot for 2,000cc, either directly (static implant) or indirectly (post-op expandable). Since a post-op expandable would be less initial stress, that would be the preference. But in the USA the largest rated post-op expandable is rated at only 800cc, I believe. Yes, I know this could easily be pumped up to 2,000cc, but I'm not sure either of us would like the look of it being overfilled by 150% (as compared to the usual 15-20%).
So it would seem on the surface that the only remaining option is to bring in post-op expandables from outside the USA. Other than Eurosil, I really have no idea of any manufacturers outside the USA.
This then begs the question of logistics: Do we simply work with Dr Baeke and have him deal with whatever non-US companies and necessary paperwork for procuring the post-op expandables? If so, then great. I'm a big fan of the path of least resistance.
Thanks for the contact details. I just tried calling a few mins ago, but it's after 6pm here (Central Time), so I suspect they've gone home for the weekend. It seems not everyone keeps Dr Rey's brutally long hours.
As for ordering 2,000cc implants today, that would be great! Care to make an interest-free loan with an indefinite payback period?
The reality is, we've got other financial priorities at the moment, which is why the boobjob isn't of immediate urgency. Of course, we'd then be putting quite a bit of faith in the assumption that my wife could carry them without any issues. I suspect she will, given her body type. But ideally this would get Dr Baeke's blessing as being within reason. It'll be interesting to see what sort of pre-physical exam we can do from another state, ie, what details we can provide him in advance of visiting him. Otherwise, I can see doing an initial consult (fly up, go to his office, fly back) then a follow-up consult (fly up again, go to his office, fly back) then the actual surgery (fly up again, check into a hotel, go to his office, get the surgery, go back to the hotel to recover, go back to his office for a final exam, fly back) and then of course all the follow-ups and post-op fills after that.My wife just now reminded me of something. She occasionally gets ingrown hairs in her armpits, and they can be pretty evil when they happen. She's concerned that having the fill ports in her armpits would just be inviting trouble (ie, infection). Do you know if they can be placed anywhere else?
TIA.
Post by: DrGirlfriend on April 30, 2005, 06:40:10 PM
I’m so glad to see that you have been able to correct your “cleavage” troubles and get a near perfect set of new breasts! And for the record I just love your lips! I’m curious if you went to a largest set of implants or just a rework/correct of the same size? As I heard you had gotten your hands on some very big custom implants?
FYI, I’m currently at 2500cc with a set of French made ‘double lumen’ implants and I am looking to get a new set of 5000cc implants by this summer. My PS in California said he can currently get USA made single walled 100% saline ‘tissue expander’ implants. He did my last set and I was very happy with his work, as I went from 800cc to 2500cc in a single operation (no post-op fill ups needed). And with the new USA implants I was looking forward to seeing him again. But after the glowing recommendation you have given to Dr. Baeke I just had to email him and see what he can do for me.
May I ask what size your current implants are? As I would like to get my lips done at the same time I was curious if he uses a different material or technique than any other PS to give you your luscious big lips? As I want to have lips just like yours! Again, congratulations on your new look, your gorgeous!!
Xoxox
Mandii
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 01, 2005, 10:29:54 AM
Got a question for all of you.
Last night my wife and I were playing around with the rice test (based on 2000cc per side) and... wow, pretty big for sure. We used the cut-off legs from pantihose. The rice wasn't being terribly co-operative thanks to the tendency of the pantihose to want to assume a tube-like (leg) shape. :P But we managed.
So I was Googling to see if we could find out whether dry rice is at par with or heavier than the same volume of water. In the process I came across one breast implant site which said something to the effect of, "... if you get larger implants, you should try wearing the rice bags in a bra to bed, as you'll have to wear a bra to bed once you get those implants...". This surprised me a little, and dismayed my wife. When she was wearing the rice sacs in the larger bra, she definitely noticed the straps digging into her shoulders. She had hoped that she'd be able to have some freedom of when to wear the bra and when to go braless. At the very least, she never thought she'd have to wear a bra to bed once getting large implants. I'm sure the site didn't have 2000cc implants in mind when it made this comment, so I'm guessing 'bigger' in the author's mind is anything larger than 500cc.
I was hoping that at least one of you could shed some light on this, dispelling any half-truths in the process. Could you please comment?
On a related note, I got the sense from my wife that she's somewhat concerned that, with the large implants, she'll have these straps digging in pretty badly. She told me that if the straps were about twice as wide or even approaching the width of her bandeau, it might not be an issue. So in a roundabout way, I think she's interested in getting a sense for how much 'pull' will be exerted on the bra straps, and how much of the weight will be dissipated through her natural breast skin/muscle/etc. I don't think she assumes for a moment that she'll be able to go totally braless 24x7. (Quick bit of background: she's a 38DD, and the bra she was using for the rice test was a 42DD, biggest we could find after searching through the local Walmart/Target stores.)
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Post by: 34G on May 02, 2005, 02:19:19 AM
Measure the chest circumference of your wife's chest just under her breasts (at the "crease" or "inframammary fold"). Then add 4 inches to that number, example if you got 34" then adding 4" would put her in a 38 band size bra. Now really put your thinking cap! For that band size it will take approximately 250cc to equal a cup increase. So 2000cc will add approximately 8 cups making the bra size a 38 JJ or K.
Now for the simulation of reality! I went to Nordstoms and tried on Breast Prosthesis. These are usually purchased by cancer surviors but work well for what trying to visualize size/vol/weight. They aren't cheap $300-$400 each! But I found worth it, given now having a G cup, I feel like it was pretty close to a real picture. As far as the digging into the shoulders, yeah it's now pretty, but the same prosthesis company makes "comfy straps" they are silicone gel and fit around the bra strap on the shoulder and help A LOT!!!
I hope this has helped, if I think of more I'll post it later.
Good Luck! My visit to KC is in about a week!
Post by: 34G on May 02, 2005, 02:52:42 AM
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Thanks for the contact details. I just tried calling a few mins ago, but it's after 6pm here (Central Time), so I suspect they've gone home for the weekend. It seems not everyone keeps Dr Rey's brutally long hours.
Just an FYI, I saw that Rhiannon already posted about the girl Dr. Baeke was seeing on a last min.
I spoke with Suzanne at about 5:30 on Friday and she was on her way to pick up this very girl at her hotel and take to her back to the office to see Dr. Baeke. By the way, I don't know if this was posted but Suzanne is Dr. Baeke's WIFE! (So unlike Dr.Rey's wife, she is not just sitting at home. And Dr. & Suzanne have a 3yr. old!) She called me back after she dropped this girl back off at her hotel and it was 9:30 PM to answer my questions. Surgery was done on Saturday morning for this girl, Suzanne was careful about protecting the girls identity and privacy so I don't know what happened but her situation got worse on the way to KC.
I hope she is okay. Rhiannon maybe you know how she is doing? If she calls you maybe you could just let us know she is okay.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 02, 2005, 07:46:32 AM
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Okay, here is my attempt to help!
Measure the chest circumference of your wife's chest just under her breasts (at the "crease" or "inframammary fold"). Then add 4 inches to that number, example if you got 34" then adding 4" would put her in a 38 band size bra. Now really put your thinking cap! For that band size it will take approximately 250cc to equal a cup increase. So 2000cc will add approximately 8 cups making the bra size a 38 JJ or K.
Ye gods...! Okay, I'd half-joked with her that maybe she'd eventually end up at a K-cup. But that was completely whimsical, off the top of my head. Guess it was a lucky guess.
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Now for the simulation of reality! I went to Nordstoms and tried on Breast Prosthesis. These are usually purchased by cancer surviors but work well for what trying to visualize size/vol/weight. They aren't cheap $300-$400 each! But I found worth it, given now having a G cup, I feel like it was pretty close to a real picture. As far as the digging into the shoulders, yeah it's now pretty, but the same prosthesis company makes "comfy straps" they are silicone gel and fit around the bra strap on the shoulder and help A LOT!!!
Excellent, thanks for the tips!
BTW, do you know if Nordstrom's carries larger bra sizes? I'm not sure if there's a store near us, but yesterday we were looking at some potential new neighbourhoods to move to, and one had a megamall nearby which had Nordstrom's. Talk about coincidence.
Oh, and do you have any thoughts on whether wearing a bra to bed is nessary or not?
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I hope this has helped, if I think of more I'll post it later.
Good Luck! My visit to KC is in about a week!
Thanks again!
Post by: 34G on May 02, 2005, 11:47:38 AM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 02, 2005, 05:56:17 PM
She suggested phoning back after 9am tomorrow, or to leave a number where I could be reached. I explained that I really preferred calling when my wife was in the same room as me. I know we'll be able to work out a time at some point, so no worries there.
If you happen to talk to Suzanne, could you ask her how they would manage an out-of-state patient who wanted/needed to do several post-op fills without having to fly back every month? This is actually one of the questions we'll be asking when we are able to call her, so no worries if you don't chat her up before your surgery.
Speaking of which, I just realized that I'm a little fuzzy on your surgery details. If you're open to a question or two, I was wondering if you're at a 34G now and looking to go bigger, or whether that's your target size and what you're currently at. If this is too personal, then pretend I didn't ask.
Otherwise, all the best when you go for your surgery! If you could, please bring pen and paper and keep a diary of your experience...?
Post by: 34G on May 03, 2005, 12:01:33 AM
No, it isn't too personal of a question about my surgery. I am currently a 34G and am looking to go a little bigger.
I am also wanting a tummy tuck and a little liposuction at the same time. That was another reason for seeking out someone different than who I originally planned to use. I saw Dr. Baeke's website and the number of combination surgeries and then after speaking to Suzanne for so long on the phone I felt I at least needed to go for a consultation and check things out. Rhiannon and Buffy have given such good feedback I can't imagine not using Dr. Baeke but I still feel I need to see for myself. I had no idea the question I asked would get the information it has so far. I wish I had know about BEA a long time ago.
I will keep a diary that is a great idea and let everyone know how things go. If you have anymore suggestions let me know!
Post by: Rhiannon on May 03, 2005, 12:38:11 AM
Any and all surgical procedures should be well researched before moving forward. I appreciate your efforts in finding a safe haven for your wife. She is very fortunate to have you as a support system.
I have been concerned with My friend that had flown in to have emergency surgery with Dr. Baeke on Saturday.
He spent 3 1/2 hours with her Friday night in a consultation. He explained in great detail all of the possible scenerios since her recent "butcher boob job" in France. He is EXTREMELY consciencious and thorough. Suzanne is a "hands-on" RN who assist Dr. Baeke especially in these crisis situations. I know for Myself and My other busty friends how comforting it was to have a woman who has under gone a similiar procedure standing near to hold our hand.
My friend, as well as Suzanne, has called Me numerous times over the wek-end to keep Me informed on My friends progress. I am delighted to report that, THANKS TO DR. BAEKE and his staff, My friend is doing wonderfully.
Now, someone tell Me what Dr. do you know that would ever take on such a case sight unseen to help a girl in distress never mind giving up his weekend to do it??? And furthermore, his wife, Suzanne, running over to check on her and administer her meds throughout the day. Now, this is the care that I desire. Don't you think everyone should seek this care and attention when selecting a surgeon???
Too many girls are influenced by the WRONG things when choosing a surgeon.All to often we want to hear what we want to hear. So we will seek out the Doctor that tells us exactly that...what we want to hear. NOT SMART. That is a Dr. who is lot putting our best interest first. And flying out of the country to find a surgeon is NEVER a good decision. I don't care if you are a in this business or not. A woman's breast are a part of her identity. It is what makes us feel feminine.
Both Dr. Baeke and Suzanne are exceptional people offering exceptional medical care. Dr. Baeke can and will work with his patient to see that she achieves the results she is seeking. But he ONLY does it methodically, safely and with the patient's well-being in the forefront of his thoughts and actions.
I do not want to expose My friend's identity because it is not My place. I know that all of you know My association with this industry; therefore, My friend too, is a high profile busty model. Due to Dr. Baeke she now will be back to work within a month. Before meeting Dr. Baeke she did not have a glimmer of hope.
Dr. Baeke is a Savior and a blessing to our busty community!!!
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
PS. If you did not reach Suzanne it is because she is nursing My friend back to health. Just be persistent she will get in touch with you ASAP!!!
Post by: solvegas on May 03, 2005, 12:48:12 AM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 03, 2005, 07:46:31 AM
For what it's worth, this page has before/after pics of tummy tucks of the Dallas surgeon we went to see last summer:
http://www.rsplastic.com/gallery/viewer.php?albid=1&stage=2
At least one of those is a WOW, from where we stand. So given that it would save us having to travel, not to mention the post-op care, will very likely still be our first choice for the tummy tuck. If we were living in Overland Park, there's obviously a much stronger probability that we would go to Dr Baeke for this surgery as well.
But the above-mentioned surgeon, while skilled and with all the right attitudes you'd want from a surgeon, still has his own (conservative) ideas of what breast augmentation is all about. This is why we've continued the search for an appropriate surgeon, but after learning of Dr Baeke and hearing all the good feedback, he seems to be a slam-dunk when it comes to getting the larger boobs.
More later... need to get ready for work now.
Post by: Rhiannon on May 03, 2005, 02:29:17 PM
Rhiannon and Echo just for you...
Rhiannon
Post by: solvegas on May 03, 2005, 10:50:51 PM
Post by: Providian623 on May 04, 2005, 11:59:46 AM
My wife has now had 5 sets of implants put in. 1st was about 20 years ago, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th were a result of the Dow Corning fiasco,and the 5th set (800's) were put in about 6 months aqo. She had asked her most recent surgeon for 1200's but he said that her 2nd surgeon had enlarged the pockets and cut some muscle in such a way, that was the largest he wanted to go. I suspect he had a set of stock implants he wanted to move, but not being a Doctor I couldn't say for sure. I wasn't there for the last surgery as I am currently fighting a war in Iraq. Anyway to get to the point, she called Dr. Baeke's office and has an appointment for the end of the month. Her decision to see him for consultation was based in no small part to the discussion in this thread. I like big boobs and she wants big boobs....thats what I call a Win/Win proposition. I'll keep you posted.
Post by: 34G on May 04, 2005, 08:21:56 PM
That is great that she is going to see Dr. Baeke. As I am sure you read earlier in the thread I will see him next week. I hope she posts her experience so we can get all learn more about this Dr. in Kansas.
Rhiannon if you are reviewing the thread, please tell us if you've you heard how your friend is doing that Dr. Baeke did surgery on last Saturday?
Post by: aspiringG on May 04, 2005, 08:37:47 PM
34G - Thank you for getting this thread started. Good luck with your consult. Although from all the information here it seems like things will go well for you.
Rhiannon - Do let us know how your friend is doing. Our concern and positive thoughts for a speedy recovery go out to her.
AspiringDD
Post by: Rhiannon on May 04, 2005, 11:40:16 PM
Enjoy,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on May 04, 2005, 11:47:10 PM
Best of luck. Due keep us here posted as to her experience with the good Doctor.
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: Rhiannon on May 05, 2005, 12:10:40 AM
To put her mind at ease, I have told her that most surgeons, not as sympathetic and skillful as Dr. Baeke, would have pulled the implants out and made her wait 4-6 months with NOTHING!!! I can testify to that approach. It happened to Me 4 times. I laid on My back for 2 years with one breast implant. She feels very optimistic. With her permission I will post her before and after pix. I am waiting on her release form. Like My Dad always says to Me, "A picture is worth a 1000 words". I believe these pics will speak for themselves!!!
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
PS...My boobs...courtesy of Dr. Baeke
Post by: Keisha_Evans on May 05, 2005, 12:58:35 AM
I'm SO happy that so many people are checking out my doctor! He's absolutely fantastic and I have to echo Rhiannon's praises of his work. He and Suzanne are extremely sweet and very skilled individuals.
PS. I'm very happy to hear that your friend is doing well, Rhia.
Please send my best wishes her way.Kisses,
Keisha
Post by: Providian623 on May 05, 2005, 04:05:11 AM
Post by: Rhiannon on May 05, 2005, 11:39:18 PM
XOX,
Rhiannon
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 06, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
Suzanne is clearly a very intelligent, experienced and knowlegable (hmm, isn't that the definition of wisdom?) person. She's enthusiastic about her work and doubly so about her husband, the venerable Dr Baeke. She answered every question in as much detail as we were looking for, even offering information in general, and about her and Dr Baeke in particular, which we found very enlightening. We have nothing but positive things to say about her and look forward to speaking with her again.
For anyone considering larger implants, you owe it to yourself to at least have a conversation with Suzanne.
Post by: aspiringG on May 06, 2005, 10:50:01 AM
MasterDragonfly - glad to here your conversation with Suzanne went well.
Post by: Rhiannon on May 06, 2005, 11:11:59 PM
Another pic of My new boobs..courtesy of Dr. Baeke's talent
Sincerely,
Rhiannon
Post by: aspiringG on May 08, 2005, 01:17:52 PM
Post by: Suzanne on May 11, 2005, 12:09:38 AM
I was told about this information forum by several of you and directions of how to get here.
My intention is to help however I can with information about large implant surgery. I hope by my posting it doesn't make anyone uncomfortable with posting their true experiences with our office. I expect to learn from all of you as well.
I am very flattered by the comments and will do my best to keep all comments focused on providing information and not as a solicitation of our surgical practice.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 11, 2005, 12:30:54 AM
Post by: Suzanne on May 11, 2005, 01:17:24 AM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 11, 2005, 05:32:07 PM
The BEArchive is rich with talented morphers. And there is a separate forum on the BEA just for folks to post pics and request others to morph or digitally enhance the woman in question. I believe there are a few morphers who will even accept pics privately and in confidence to be morphed and sent back to the owner.
It just occurred to me a few minutes ago that you and Dr Baeke may have occasion to run into patients who might like to see what they could possibly look like post-op.
I'm sensing some synergy here.
Food for thought.
Post by: melonie_charm on May 11, 2005, 07:13:03 PM
Speaking from a personal standpoint, it's also extremely reassuring to know that at least one new plastic surgeon and his staff are bringing in a new wave of competent and caring plastic surgery for us 'big boob' girls to turn to as the 'pioneers' of the past are retiring.
Also speaking from a personal standpoint, it's a great relief to finally have an 'authoritative source' to turn to in regard to (big) breast implant advice. We've had to muddle along relying only on our own laymen's experiences for far too long !
Post by: aspiringG on May 11, 2005, 07:40:18 PM
Post by: Suzanne on May 11, 2005, 10:18:29 PM
I will check out the site you referenced, thanks!
Post by: Suzanne on May 11, 2005, 10:50:47 PM
Offering a sounding board to whatever they may have questions about is very exciting for me. If I don't know the answer I do have a pretty good resource at my disposal. (haha) My husband is very good at his specialty and best of all is very honest.
I am really excited about BEA. I hope to can make a difference and help make dreams become a reality.
Thanks again for the warm welcome!
Post by: SandCat on May 12, 2005, 07:01:20 AM
I posted the question below in Keisha’s thread but probably should have posted it here instead.Now that I am in a better frame of mind I have been considering my own situation and having an upgrade. I currently have saline 800s overfilled to 1000cc and was going to see about replacing them with silicon. I want to go to 2000+ but am not sure I have the space for that drastic a jump. Keisha’s recent procedure has me wondering if I can have my own 800s overfilled to more than the current 1000cc volume. Can this be done and if so what is the overfill limit on regular saline implants?
Post by: Suzanne on May 12, 2005, 11:45:33 PM
If your final goal is 2000cc+, overfilling your current implants up to ~1600 is realistic. It would be best with the next expansion fill to replace the 800cc implant with a larger implant to continue up over the 2,000cc ultimate goal.
WHY YOU ASK? Thank you for asking!
1. It is the better than purchasing implants that are too big and taking the chance of waking up after surgery with "no implants".
2. You prevent possible wound healing issues by going in smaller volume increments. (approx. 300-600 per fill) You will need to wait 4-6 months between each fill.
3. What if after increasing by 1,000cc, you wish you had stopped at less, maybe not likely but what if? Think of it as a "try it before you buy it".
4. Yes, it is going to cost more in the overall long haul but think of it this way, "How much is your health and well being worth?" Do what you can the first time to give youself the best case senerio to achieve your goal.
5. By using permanent implants as expanders you decide you like the current volume, great! The need to feel rushed to remove the "temporary" implant is gone.
6. Temorary expanders, most of the time, have ports that are much more prone to leaking/rupture than permanent implants.
I know this was a long winded answer to your question but, I got alittle carried away with the whole anticipation of other questions. Sorry!
Post by: solvegas on May 13, 2005, 06:06:41 AM
Post by: melonie_charm on May 13, 2005, 08:14:41 PM
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4. Yes, it is going to cost more in the overall long haul but think of it this way, "How much is your health and well being worth?"
This leads to a recurring question / misconception here at BEA. Most 'regular' girls are familiar with the costs involved in having say 800cc saline implants put in by a local plastic surgeon - typically in the $5,000 to $6,000 total cost ballpark (implants + surgery + post-op care), with local price variations based on local economies (i.e. deep south might be $4,000 and NYC/LA might be $8,000). Seeing a 'specialist' or bringing pre-existing problems to the operating table can also add an extra $1,000-$3,000.
However, many girls who may be contemplating 'growing' into the custom made implant size range have very little to go on in the way of the realistic costs involved in going through an expansion process and finally winding up with say 2000cc custom made permanent implants. Care to give us some rough guidance in this area ? I know that purchasing the custom made 2000cc silicone implants themselves is MUCH more expensive than purchasing US made saline implants out of the catalog.
Post by: MacK on May 13, 2005, 09:13:02 PM
Thanks. You snatched the thoughts right out of my mind. As the supplier of the $ I was wondering about the cost, especially for post-op saline expansion.
--MacK
Post by: Suzanne on May 13, 2005, 10:52:18 PM
When I am putting together the price quote for any patient for just about any surgery whether it be breast augmentation or liposuction the price is based on time and hard costs (supplies etc). That is why it is difficult to give an exact quote of the phone. When my husband comes to me after the consultation and says this is what the patient's options are and this is the time it will take to do each option.
Each procedure has three cost centers:
Surgery Center (facility fee)
Anesthesia
Surgeon (professional fee)
The following is a breakdown how the price per cost center is determined:
Surgery Center - first hour - $750.00
each + hour - $250.00
Anesthesia - first hour - $360.00
each + hour - $160.00
Surgeon - first hour - $2500- $3000
hours 2-4 - $1000 per hour
hour 5 + - $1500 per hour
Additional hard costs ie. implants are additional but not "keystoned" for profit.
So here is the price breakdown for a procedure that the surgeon says will be 3 hours (facility and anesthesia are always increased by one hour to account for the preop and recovery time.)
Facility fee - $1500
Anesthesia - $840
Surgeon - $5000
$7340.00 TOTAL FOR 3 HOUR PROCEDURE
A one hour procedure:
Facility - $1000
Anesthesia $520
Surgeon - $2500-$3000
$4020-$4520 TOTAL (not including implants etc.)
I hope this helps! Please remember I can only speak of how I run my office.
Post by: Suzanne on May 13, 2005, 11:18:47 PM
Then hopefully you are only purchasing two sets of implants maybe three depending on your starting volume and end volume desired.
Post by: Stefanie on May 13, 2005, 11:49:37 PM
You say that those figures do not include the implants themselves. Can you give me a ballpark figure for what a pair of Inamed 67-133FV16's might cost?
Post by: Suzanne on May 14, 2005, 03:29:48 AM
But I can tell you that Inamed Mentor and Silimed for the most part their prices are very close to the same.
Saline $380 - $450 per implant
Silicone gel - $$825 - $900 per implant
These are round smooth price ranges. The companies add $ for texturing and the price goes up if an anatomical is used.
Becker Implants from Mentor are CRAZY expensive $4000 a pair! (and it is not a very good implant)
Silimed is going to have a 1000cc silicone gel available in the US soon. I was told by the CEO of Silimed sometime this summer! The only surgeons who will be able to order it I am told are those of us who were in their silicone CORE study. The price on that implant has not been determined from what I am being told anyway.
Post by: melonie_charm on May 14, 2005, 10:55:30 AM
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You say that those figures do not include the implants themselves. Can you give me a ballpark figure for what a pair of Inamed 67-133FV16's might cost?
I certainly can't speak for Suzanne, but she probably didn't immediately recognize that this model model number corresponds to McGhan's highest cc rating saline expander implant (850cc nominal) with surface mounted magnetic filler valve - which can be overfilled to the 1400-1500cc ballpark and thus is a favorite choice for a 'starter' implant with BEA girls looking to 'grow into' the 2000+ cc size range eventually. Dredging through my own memory when I got a pair of these myself, I believe they were in the same price range as silicone non-adjustable implants.
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When I am putting together the price quote for any patient for just about any surgery whether it be breast augmentation or liposuction the price is based on time and hard costs (supplies etc). That is why it is difficult to give an exact quote of the phone. When my husband comes to me after the consultation and says this is what the patient's options are and this is the time it will take to do each option.
First, we really appreciate your openness in regard to your own practice. I can certainly understand the nature of all of your 'cost centers', and the rates seem more than reasonable compared to those I have been charged by other 'specialist' plastic surgeons, anesthesiologists, and OR facilities.
However, from your comments there appears to be a difference with your own practice versus other plastic surgeons, i.e. the hourly charges versus a 'package deal'. Take the case of the 850cc rated McGhan saline expanders just mentioned. The plastic surgeon who put in my own McGhan 850cc expanders way back when quoted me an up-front price which covered pre-op, surgery, post-op and future saline fill-ups.
Your response on hourly pricing would tend to indicate that your practice operates quite differently, charging by the hour for the actual time spent in surgery, the actual time spent on post-op care, and the actual time spent doing fill-ups. If so then this would create a huge financial variable for the patient regarding estimated versus actual surgery time, estimated versus actual hours spent for post-op care or dealing with complications, and estimated time spent/number of saline fill-ups.
I'm not trying to say that there is anything negative regarding charging patients according to the actual amount of 'work' each individual patient requires - only that this is quite different than the 'package deal' other plastic surgeons typically quote in advance of the surgery. However, if not understood in advance, this difference could result in some nasty economic 'surprises' in regard to girls who develop complications during or after surgery, girls whose breast tissue characteristics results in an arduous expansion process involving many small fill-ups etc. which require more 'work' than originally anticipated. On the other hand, girls who have an 'easy' time of it would wind up saving money with hourly charges, versus paying a higher than necessary 'package deal' price which effectively subsidizes the actual costs of other girls who bring pre-existing problems to the operating table or who carry higher risk factors towards developing post-op complications (i.e. smoking, lifestyle, drug use etc).
Is this the case or am I interpreting your statements incorrectly ?
Post by: Bambi_Blaze on May 14, 2005, 11:52:17 AM
Welcome Suzanne, it's for sure a privilege having someone with your knowledge and insight posting here for all of us BIG boob hounds!!
I've just now sent you a PM and look forward to hearing back from you.Dr. Baeke has performed marvelous Big boob work on our lovely Rhiannon, Keisha, and Buffie!
Hugs!
~Bambi~
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 14, 2005, 12:08:28 PM
Let's be real, why else would she be here?
The rates are off the charts. Do your homework and compare notes.
Post by: Stefanie on May 14, 2005, 12:29:47 PM
No, you're not a sockpuppet with an axe to grind...
Post by: Bambi_Blaze on May 14, 2005, 12:53:43 PM
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An account registered on 05/14/05 with a single post created only 8 minutes later?
No, you're not a sockpuppet with an axe to grind...
It's so fucking obvious too!
Post by: aspiringG on May 14, 2005, 12:57:35 PM
Any other members care to offer your support?
Post by: MacK on May 14, 2005, 01:40:33 PM
--MacK
Post by: melonie_charm on May 14, 2005, 04:27:26 PM
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The rates are off the charts. Do your homework and compare notes
I'll be honest and state that from the standpoint of a housewife seeking a pair of 350cc saline implants through the bellybutton, that the listed rates ARE off the charts. However, in fairness to Suzanne and Dr. Bakke, we're not talking about a neighborhood surgeon who caters to housewives, who has never seen a breast implant bigger than 800cc in his entire life, and who is totally unaware of the custom huge implant world or the special problems involved in working with them or the different nature of potential huge implant complications. In other words, if you're shopping for a Chevy feel free to haggle about prices at your local AutoMarts - but if you're shopping for a Porsche you need to look for a qualified dealer and also need to be prepared to pay a premium price for the specialized service. Even so, according to Suzanne's rates, the actual cost of Dr. Bakke doing a one hour procedure implanting a pair of 350cc saline implants would be in the $5000-$5500 ballpark (including implant purchase), which does not seem out of line with neighborhood surgeon pricing in most major US cities.
I for one will go on record, as someone who has paid tens of thousands of dollars to huge boob 'specialists' over the years, and state that the rates Suzanne posted are in the same 'ballpark' as other 'specialists'. As I posted earlier, my only real questions in regard to surgery costs related to the possible ramifications of using hourly charges versus 'package deal' price quotes, i.e the possibility of significant additional charges for post-op care or to deal with complications - a question to which Suzanne has not yet had the opportunity to respond.
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 14, 2005, 05:08:39 PM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 14, 2005, 05:24:20 PM
Also take note of when Suzanne posts her comments. She's no nine-to-fiver, that's for sure. Between working with her husband at the office/surgery and the posts she makes here and the replies to e-mails at 2:30am, I'm amazed that she's able to find time to **82**.
Melonie's analogy of family sedan vs. Porsche is pretty good, too. But I would liken it to having the choice between going to your neighbourhood art shop to pick up a copy of a print (and finding the place that has the best price/service) vs. going to an art dealer to purchase an original work.
Suzanne, pay no attention to the sock puppet. Your input here is definitely welcomed.
Post by: BigDave on May 14, 2005, 06:07:20 PM
A procedure for large implants (1000cc+) is likely to take far more skill to perform and comes with it's own set of additional possible complications, as well as the 'standard' complications that come with any BA. I'm not surprised that the costs involved are higher than a 'normal' BA. If you wanted a standard silencer (muffler) for your car you'd just go to the local garage for it. If however you wanted a custom job you'd go to a specialist garage to make sure it was done properly, and you would pay a premium for the service.
Bottom line, from what i've read on this forum Dr. Baeke is a very highly skilled and committed surgeon who ia able to perform high quality, custom work. Why shouldn't he charge more for his work when other surgeons cannot / will not attempt the same procedures? Both he and his staff should be applauded for their efforts. They are greatly appreciated by all here (well, nearly all. There's always at least one troll trying to cause trouble).
Suzanne, your presence on these forums is very much welcomed. I hope you'll continue to offer your knowledge and advice to those here who ask for it. Thankyou.
And just ignore the little turds that try to stir shit up. They're not worth your time.
Post by: Stefanie on May 14, 2005, 07:14:05 PM
Quote:What procedures were you asking for quotes on?
I agree according to what she posted. However, that is not the fact according to the multiple times me and a friend called. We both got different prices each time for the same surgery, ranging from 6 to 12,000.
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I guess it pays to say the right thing when trying to promote business.It's the old bait and switch.
Why is it that women here that have actually gone under Dr. Baeke's knife have completely different opinions of the man than you do? I wonder who we should believe...
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 15, 2005, 02:42:40 AM
Post by: BigDave on May 15, 2005, 05:50:13 AM
Why not take this discussion up with Suzanne in private, where it belongs instead of airing your dirty laundry for all to see? I mean seriously, what did you expect the response to you original post would be?
We now have (hopefully, assuming this crap doesn't drive her away) a member of the forum who is able, and willing to provide first hand knowledge and experience about surgical procedures. It may lead to more business for her but so what? She is part of a business and any business need customers. This place has potential customers who would like more information. She is providing it. And she was also invited here to participate. She does so in her own free time.
Oh, and i always "think about it". That's why i make up my own opinions.
Post by: Dick_Woods on May 15, 2005, 06:34:54 AM
Post by: melonie_charm on May 15, 2005, 09:46:56 AM
I have posted in many other threads about the financial situation existing today in regard to the relative cost of getting huge custom made implants versus the relative income potential stemming from having huge custom made implants. For a fact, that financial situation is much worse today than it was 10 years ago. Part of that financial situation is due to the current scarcity/difficulty/FDA regulations involved in obtaining huge custom made implants in the first place. The costs involved on the custom implant side of the equation are totally beyond the control of any particular plastic surgeon, and those costs are basically the same for any plastic surgeon since there is only one current supplier of huge custom implants.
Another component of that equation is the relatively higher insurance costs to a plastic surgeon and O.R./surgical facility which performs/allows non-routine surgical procedures ... in other words malpractice and liability insurance premiums. For 'specialists', these costs are in a whole different world compared to a neighborhood plastic surgeon performing ASPRS sanctioned procedures in a nearby hospital or clinic. Again, particular doctors have no control over these costs, and if doctors who choose to perform high risk procedures incur high insurance premiums as a result, those costs must be passed on to the patients.
Because of the above, a girl embarking upon a quest to get huge custom implants needs to be prepared to cover the associated high costs. The current financial situation in the huge boob business is not the fault of the plastic surgeon, and the plastic surgeon certainly bears no responsibility to offer at cost or below cost discounts to counteract the fact that magazine modeling, feature appearances, pay website net profits etc. are not what they used to be.
I'll reiterate that the ONLY valid financial question in my own mind regarding Dr. Baeke is the potential ramifications of Dr. Baeke's use of hourly charges versus the 'package price' quote typically used by other 'specialists'. So far, Suzanne has still not had an opportunity to respond to this question.
I would also point out that, of the 10,000 or whatever plastic surgeons in the USA, to my knowledge there are fewer than 10 who are willing to work with huge custom breast implants. Dr. Baeke and his wife Suzanne are the first ever who have been willing to share specifics with the BEA.
Now, for the sake of fairness, if there is a prospective or actual patient of Dr. Baeke who has actual experience of events which portray Dr. Baeke's practice in a negative light, then it is certainly within the topic of this thread and I for one am certainly interested in hearing about it. However, as in politics, such accusations need to involve specifics and the person making the accusations needs to have some credibility before such accusations can be taken seriously.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on May 15, 2005, 10:01:17 AM
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vixen lamoore said exactly how it is done. read her thread. I did.
Actually I did read her thread. Every message. From the beginning.
And I still don't know how to safely pick up a scalpel and do the work. Nor would I want to take the risk.
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this charlitine was not invited. she is just using us.
Actually, I DID invite her. While on the phone, no less. And she expressed her trepidation at the time. I gave her my assurances at the time that she would be welcomed with open arms.
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did dr. johnson get on here? why not? he is too busy. real doctors don't need to promote business here.
Nice straw man argument. But it doesn't hold water. First, why would a (nearly) retired surgeon post here? Certainly not to bring in new business. Second, posting here in order to market oneself is a scattershot approach. Dr Baeke already has a website, so anyone doing a Google search can find him easily.
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word travels if they are any good. years proove their worthiness.I know the answers I got when I called their office. good luck. I have stated my peace. now think about it.
Third (continuing from above), word HAS travelled. It's called 'critical mass', and you've just witnessed it happening, if you've read every message in this thread. No doubt folks in the Overland Park, KS area are already aware of him. If anything, the demand for the specialized skills required to go larger has found a supply.
Clearly you have no interest in going bigger than the typical housewife. I don't know why you're even on the BEA at all, other than to make a lot of noise. But then, the squeaky mouse gets the cat.
Good luck with storming the gate. Let us know how it works out.
Post by: Providian623 on May 15, 2005, 02:20:23 PM
The rates quoted are not out of line for a 3 hour procedure. I paid $10,200 for the wifes last one and that was for a well known plastic surgeon on the west coast. Maybe it was up a little from the average but you get what you pay for. Now having said that, the proof will be in the pudding. The wife will be at the good doctors on the 27th for her evaulation. She's smart and she's been doing some research on Dr. Baeke and so far she likes what she see's and hears. I too have done some research and I'm very impressed by his credentials as well. While we're on the subject, who cares if anyone comes into this forum to drum up business (not that anyone has). Word of mouth is what makes or breaks most surgeons. If someone has negatives, then present the facts and we can judge for ourselves. Just be sure the facts are accurate and not opinionized. I for one, welcome Suzannes candor, and now have more faith than ever that the wife has made a good choice. I'll keep you posted.
Now having said all of this I have come to the conclusion that if she has one more boob enlargement I will have more money invested in her chest than in our house! What the Hell, as long as she's happy!
Post by: SandCat on May 15, 2005, 07:43:47 PM
As for the costs described by Suzanne, isn't it logical that non-traditional surgery such as this would cost more than its day-to-day counterpart. I myself have already budgeted around $50,000 for the cost associated with the surgical procedures necessary to achieve my goals. I am just hoping that I can reign in my desires so that I do not outstrip my budget too quickly.
I guess my follow up question would be concerning the non FDA implants I am looking to eventually have implanted. Is there a cost estimate that would give me an idea of what I can expect to pay and maybe more important, is there anything on the immediate horizon that may affect the availability of these implants and thus speed up my purchase timetable.
Post by: melonie_charm on May 15, 2005, 09:25:14 PM
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is there anything on the immediate horizon that may affect the availability of these implants and thus speed up my purchase timetable
Not meaning to derail this thread, and I have already posted about this in a Keisha thread, but for a fact the one and only French company which produces huge custom made implants today has recently been purchased by Inamed/McGhan. Speculation is that because Inamed/McGhan is a mainstream corporation with a board of directors, stockholders, attorneys and accountants, that it won't take them long to figure out that the extremely low volume quantities of custom made implants currently being produced (versus tens of thousands of pairs of every catalog size implant) does NOT provide an acceptable rate of return based on the amount of effort and resources required to produce the huge custom implants. Thus it's distinctly possible that the one and only current supply of huge custom made implants could come to an abrupt halt once 'new management' actually takes over day to day operation of the French company and the 'bean counters' start influencing management decisions. Translation ... two huge custom implants in your hand next week/month may be the last chance for you to find them for the forseeable future !
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 16, 2005, 11:35:55 AM
Now that you said you have $50,000 to spend, you can count on Suzanne sucking you dry. She will find excuses why she needs to charge you additional money. Rest assure she will spend every penny of your money.
It may be non-traditional sizes but no other surgeon charges her rates. Besides is a 1500 cc considered non-traditional? Hardly, considering that it is barely a DD cup on some girls. And the fact is, her quoted prices here are not what she actually charges.
She convinces you that you need 3 procedures to get the size you request. That is 3 charges for each surgery.
Do you think you are really going to recup your losses by working as a big tit model? That is, the $50,000. It would take you 6 years before you start to show a profit. Dr. Yermian in LA charges $10,000 for the whole surgery, implants included. Any size implants for only $10,000. He has a long track record. He has never been denied FDA approval. 1-(818)- 780-7900. Call him and find out for yourself. Ask to speak to him directly. Why spend the additional money to get the same results? His work is outstanding.
As far as my previous post talking about Johnson. I was referring to him in his hay day, stating that he never had the time to waste here because he was so busy doing the top models. Do not try to confuse the issue by stating johnson is semi-retired. Anyone who knows the history of doctors knows this.
I will be happy to give names and numbers of other doctors doing the large sizes. At least when you go to them the price is given before you get on the table. There are no hidden costs and no surprises.
Post by: aspiringG on May 16, 2005, 08:14:02 PM
I would love to see your before and after pics of Dr. Yermian's work and hear about your personal experience with him as your surgeon. Did you have implants that he replaced? And if so how big did you go? Thanks for the info.
Post by: Heres_Buffie on May 16, 2005, 08:35:31 PM
My experience with Dr. Baeke and Park Place was worth EVERY PENNY.
You like your $10k surgeon, that's great. Sing his praises until you run out of breath. But certainly you're keen enough to know you can praise one surgeon WITHOUT unnecessarily bashing the competition.
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 16, 2005, 10:12:18 PM
Post by: Heres_Buffie on May 16, 2005, 10:31:58 PM
I saw him as recently as 2 months ago and I'm seeing him again Saturday.
Yes, I am a big boob model.
Define 'real girl'.
How exactly did you get 'screwed' by Park Place? Price quotes do not equal a screwing.
Post by: lisawilliams27 on May 16, 2005, 10:50:55 PM
I have since moved on.Better service better price. He might be good but whoever makes the prices is not realistic. I can tell you samples but you will continue to fight and I just think you are foolish to battle the truth. Anyone who cares to know the truth PM me I am happy to share the reality of the suzanne nonsense.
Is he even board certified? I know you know the answer.
Post by: Suzanne on May 17, 2005, 02:43:51 AM
Thank you for the positive comments.
Great question about the fees, package prices vs hourly. We do have package prices for the general first time breast implant patients $4500 (saline) $6500 (silicone gel). These surgeries can be more easily predicted to 45 min to 1 hour. Life time post operative followup is included.
When I get a call from a girl wanting a revision or larger implants and they are wanting a price I will quote them what 3 hours of surgery would be priced out. I also tell them the price is not guarenteed until Dr. Baeke actually sees them for a consult. All post operative routine followup is included. Post-operative fills through an access port are included in the price of the surgery. But if the post-operative fills require operating room time those are hard costs that must be charged in addition.
If addidional surgeries are necessary depending on whether it is a complication or a planned secondary procedure there is no professional fee only the facility fee and anesthesia costs.
If I am making frequent or daily home/hotel visits, those are additional charge. I have done home visits for years and never charged an additional fee but when the visit frequency is over 2-3 I feel it only fair to be compensated for the additional time.
I don't have a problem with taking suggestions either if there seems to be a more fair way to set up a pricing structure. By setting an hourly fee I am able to be consistant with each patient and more able to explain why the charges are what they are.
I hope this helps.
You are correct about the insurance it is high.
Post by: Suzanne on May 17, 2005, 03:44:35 AM
Then it just went on and on and on, so I've decided to respond with the following:
You need to put up or shut up! I have nothing to hide and will not be intimidated. I have used my real name, now it is your turn.
If I quoted you and your friend different prices then you asked for different services. If you never came in to my office to see us then you never recieved a written quote.
You chose your surgeon based on price...fine, there are a lot of good and great surgeons out there that charge less. If that is your choice, great!
I am frankly glad you did chose another surgeon. Why do I say that because typically when someone is making unfounded accusations and personality judgements they are telling what is in their own heart.
You do not know me. To judge my motives regarding BEA is unfair. I'm not going to argue or loose **82** over someone who hides and throws darts.
For all of you reading this thread....I will continue to answer your questions both publically and privately. I will continue to do my best to provide information and not solicitation of services. And I will only leave if asked by those who invited me.
Post by: Suzanne on May 17, 2005, 04:22:25 AM
How do we know there haven't been or aren't currently more surgeons office on the thread, possibly useing the name lisawilliams27...hmmm
I am going to call this doctor tomorrow or the next and will report back what I find out. This will be fun1
! Talking to one big boob surgoen to another.
Post by: melonie_charm on May 17, 2005, 04:50:13 AM
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I don't have a problem with taking suggestions either if there seems to be a more fair way to set up a pricing structure. By setting an hourly fee I am able to be consistant with each patient and more able to explain why the charges are what they are.
Hi Suzanne, and thank you for the thorough answer. It would appear, provided there are no major complications, that the written price quote which you give to patients after their pre-op exam does cover all of the 'necessaries' such that the surgery, the implants, post-op exams, injection fill-ups of expander implants etc. are all covered in your written quote.
This does lead to a couple of additional question, though. Supposing that a girl does come to you for custom implants and develops complications which do require additional surgery to correct. Do you show such patients any 'mercy' in the financial area, or is an hour of surgery time the same price for a new patient as for a repeat patient ? Most other plastic surgeons do tend to show some 'mercy'.
Also, what happens cost wise if the doctor has estimated (and you have quoted) a 3 hour surgery, but when he actually gets the girl on the operating table unexpected problems are discovered and the surgery winds up taking 5 hours instead ?
Post by: Suzanne on May 17, 2005, 10:45:07 AM
Another good question, if after the consultation and a 3 hour surgery is quoted and the surgery takes 5 hours, I have never gone back to the patient for additional monies.
Even when secondary procedures are discussed in advance the end cost to the patient is always a concern. I work very hard for the money I make as do all of my patients. I honestly try to treat them as I would expect to be treated.
I am sure most surgeons try to keep the cost in control and if the patient has questions about what they are being charged they just need to ask why. We are all human and make mistakes...maybe something was added wrong or accidentally 4 hours was charge instead of three. So if the quote is a lot different than you anticipated just ask. I know I have been in a hurry and added wrong...it was brought to my attention and I fixed it.
Post by: MacK on May 22, 2005, 10:26:11 PM
34G: Thank you for asking the question that started this thread. [If all goes well, my SO will be starting consultations for augmentation mammoplasty in the next 6-18 months. And we needed the information you elicited. And we needed to know where to look for a surgeon with big implant experience.]
Rhiannon: Thank you for answering the questions and adding substance to the thread.
Thread Builders: Thanks for the building.
MasterDragonfly: Thank you for inviting Suzanne to join us.
Suzanne & Dr. Baeke: Thank you for providing direct and transparent answers.
--MacK
Post by: BazBear on May 24, 2005, 01:13:34 AM
Quote:You argue like a conspiracy theorist. A few price quotes over the telephone that you didn't like, and that's all the "facts" you need to bash Suzanne and Dr. Baeke.
I can tell you samples but you will continue to fight and I just think you are foolish to battle the truth.
Post by: sailor on May 28, 2005, 07:26:17 PM
Post by: Stefanie on May 28, 2005, 08:42:43 PM
On one hand we have people who have actually gone to Dr. B for work and who are very pleased with their experiences.
On the other, we have a couple of anonymous momuses who have never even met Dr. B and would like us to believe is some horrible fraud.
Who should I believe?
Post by: Angelus on May 28, 2005, 09:21:07 PM
You've got three - THREE - girls who have gotten extreme work by Dr. B done, and one girl complaining about it.
That's the same as three people driving a car, and loving it, and one person pissing all over the car company even though they've never set foot in one. Jesus H. Christ.
Post by: Providian623 on May 29, 2005, 02:24:08 AM
The wife had her appointment Friday with Dr. B and she met Suzanne. Desires and options were discussed and a price set for the augmentation and other procedures she decided to have done. I must say the price quoted is "Spot Right On" and I believe may actually be cheaper than on either coast. Dr. B is well respected by his peers. I asked some of the best in the area and the midwest and they either know him or know of is work. Nobody works on my lady that I don't approve of because her health and welfare come first. I'm not here to be a cheering section, just tell it like it is for us. This stuff of "calling" for quotes is like calling Mister Goodwrench and asking for a quote over the phone after you've told them your car is going cough, cough, cough, tick tick! If they haven't physically seen it and conducted an examination, then they won't be able to accurately do so. This is called "Common Sense", something some people seem to be just a tad short of. I don't mean to bash anyone, but give us break will you? I mean come on already!
I'm going to give the wife my leave schedule this week and then she's going to schedule the surgery with the good Doctor. We have full faith and confidence in his abilities and better than that, she likes his and Suzannes "style". Sometimes it just doesn't get better than that. Looks like 800cc up to either 1200/1400cc.
Will update as things progress.
Side Note: Suzanne, the wife thinks your great!
OORah!
Post by: rtpoe on May 29, 2005, 08:08:41 PM
Cool sig quote, too...
rtpoe
Post by: Angelus on May 30, 2005, 03:31:45 PM
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Greetings from the sands of Iraq!
Will update as things progress.
Side Note: Suzanne, the wife thinks your great!
OORah!
Providian:
Stay safe in the 'Box, my good man. The funny thing was, when you mentioned your wife scheduling her implants to be settled around your homecoming, the famous image of the sailor kissing the girl in Times Square flashed in my head... just slightly... different. Ha!
Post by: Suzanne on May 30, 2005, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: sailor on May 31, 2005, 10:05:58 PM
On the other, we have a couple of anonymous momuses who have never even met Dr. B and would like us to believe is some horrible fraud. "It's like asking someone who has just purchased a new car..........ask them how they like it? They never say they had poor judgement and made a horrible mistake.....they always say they loved it. Same goes for boobs,.....however, if you look closely you will see the flaws that they will never fess up to.
Post by: Stefanie on June 01, 2005, 06:27:38 AM
Quote:Such as?
"It's like asking someone who has just purchased a new car..........ask them how they like it? They never say they had poor judgement and made a horrible mistake.....they always say they loved it. Same goes for boobs,.....however, if you look closely you will see the flaws that they will never fess up to.
Post by: Providian623 on June 01, 2005, 12:56:07 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys/gals!
Suzanne: My pleasure sending her over to you and the good Doctor. She was very impressed with both of you! She's pretty excited about all of this.
Angelus: I may be kissing her but it won't be "in Times Square".....LOL
My leave won't coincide with her medical procedures so basically I promised her that I'd take her to Spain, Germany, and Dubai (you have GOT to see Dubai) either before or after. She told me last night she gets to go before AND after. Can't argue with that! If she goes up to 1400cc I might throw in the Greek Isles.....(that is too funny)!
Got to get some shut eye, I'll be out of the wire the next couple of days. Talk later!
Post by: Angelus on June 01, 2005, 04:54:44 PM
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Greetings from the Sand Box,
If she goes up to 1400cc I might throw in the Greek Isles.....(that is too funny)!
With that much salt water, the Sandbox will turn into a mudslide.
Post by: collared_cherri on June 02, 2005, 10:34:22 AM
I have never met Dr Baeke but I have spoken with Suzanne on the phone. I found her extremely helpful and informative. At no time did I presume that her comments were a "diagnosis" of the breast augmentation procedure I am interested in. She offered an opinion when I asked for one, and that's all I wanted or expected. She made me feel comfortable with some of the less comfortable parts of my body. At no time did I feel I was listening to an infomercial. In fact, for one surgical procedure I want, she actually told me to go to someone local for convenience and because there is more after-care involved. This doctor doesn't offer the larger implants that I want from Dr Baeke.
I am currently living in Texas and Dr Baeke seems to be the closest one to me with a good reputation who will give me what I want. As far as I can see from the posts, the only BAD things anyone has said about him are the cost of the surgery and the fact that Suzanne is here. Noone has compared him to a butcher or said his work was inferior. This speaks volumes for me.
Am I willing to pay a premium price for a premium procedure? YOU BETCHA!
As an analogy, I can get the pizza-faced boy next door to fix my pc if it screwed up and he could probably do a decent enough job for free. I could also pay a lot of money to a professional to do the same thing. Which would I trust more with my property? When I was younger, probably the geek kid, now that I'm older, wiser, and have the means to pay for a service, the latter.
I don't understand why anyone would discourage me from going to Dr Baeke simply because his wife posts here and I could get a bargain elsewhere. I don't want to go rummaging around in the bargain bin. The cost of travel is minimal for me and I have somewhere to stay there in Kansas should I need it. If I travel elsewhere in the country, it would cost me more for these expenses, not to mention having to find childcare for my son if I were too far away.
Something else I'd like to mention about prices. When I saw a plastic surgeon here in Texas and asked about prices, he gave me a figure and told me that was based on a 3 hour procedure. If, for some reason, things took longer than that, I would have to pay extra for the hospital fees (operation room, etc) and the anaesthesiologist's extra time. He said that his price would stay the same however long it took, but these other costs would have to be taken into consideration if need be. Perhaps this accounts for the differing prices in some circumstances. *shrug* It's not like the price quoted on the phone is carved in stone.
cherri
Post by: bigguns on June 02, 2005, 03:31:39 PM
Maybe the costs are a little high but heck, by the time this is done it will have been over $100,000 for a pair of boobs anyway. We don't have money tucked away and have to save or get loans for every procedure. If this guy can fix what hte other has screwed up, I will pay whatever it takes. Not sit there and whine like a little baby.
We live in Georgia and have to travel to see hgim but I will tell you right now that we will continue to gladly as long as he makes progress. And we would do it again. Nobody has a right to bitch and gripe about something until they are better informed and have gone through hell to get there. Some people on this forum are very enjoyable to read and I share a lot of the same opinions. Others need to get a life.And so that somebody doesn't jump, I apologize if I misspelled anyt words!
Post by: Providian623 on June 04, 2005, 11:28:20 AM
Change of plans so I got back quicker than I was suppossed to but have to go back out of the wire in the morning. I have a question so I came to the experts in here for the answer.
The wife wants to go from 850cc to somewhere around 1200 to 1400cc depending on what the good Doctor can stuff in there. I suspect he'll be able to put in 1400's as she has enough tissue to go that large. If thats what she wants then that's what she gets! I'm just the money man in all of this.
My question is, what would 1200cc or 1400cc translate into in the real world. In otherwords, what approximate cup size or who do we all know I can use as a comparison.
Thanks in advance and you all be safe.
Post by: Busty___Deelite on June 04, 2005, 03:19:19 PM
My cup size went fom a G to either a JJ or K
depending on bra manufacturer, hope thats helps. The one thing i can tell you is they are BIG and wonderful.
Post by: Jane_Dior on June 27, 2005, 03:49:31 PM
I have been following this thread with my husband, and it was and is of special interest to me. I had previously had 850 cc implants, and was looking to go larger, and I felt I owed it to myself to gather as much information and talk to as many qualified surgeons as possible. I had been on a 'mission' since last years Exotic Dancer Expo to have this procedure done, but I didn't want to have it done unless I felt right about who I was dealing with, and how I felt about their qualifications. After alot of time spent, and many consultations I was confident that I had made the right choice....DR. BAEKE!!!!!!!!!
I cannot tell everyone how happy I am that I made this choice. Suzanne and her staff are amazing, they couldn't have made me feel more at home. The facility was beautiful, and most importantly, Dr. Beake is just wonderful. I LOVE how my new 1450 cc boobs look, and even though there were other people closer to home, some of which I felt confident could do a good job, I feel that I had the Doctor who could do the BEST job. My feeling after the surgery has not changed, except maybe made me happier that I had made that choice in the first place, and my recovery couldn't have gone more smoothly either.
Our only regret is that 'Doc' and Suzanne don't live closer to us, not for after care, but to hang out with!!! We simply adore the two of them, They have beautiful souls. And on a side note, should anyone decide to go this route themselves, Overland Park is a beautiful area. PM either myself or Dick and we'll set you up with some good spots to eat, and to socialize.
We Love you Doc & Suzanne, here is a picture four days post-op
-Jane
Post by: MasterDragonfly on June 27, 2005, 05:35:17 PM
Really great to hear your good news, Jane, and is another huge confirmation of what my wife and I already felt was the case.
A most excellent photo, too.
Perhaps a club of sorts could be started, something like "Women of the BEA who went really big with Dr Baeke", or WotBwwrbwDB for short.
Yay, and yay again! And kudos to Dr Baeke and Suzanne!
Post by: Gilroy on June 27, 2005, 07:32:21 PM
Post by: solvegas on June 27, 2005, 11:20:51 PM
Post by: melonie_charm on June 28, 2005, 05:08:36 PM
Post by: Heres_Buffie on June 28, 2005, 05:46:21 PM
Hugs,
~Buffie
Post by: Jane_Dior on June 29, 2005, 02:14:06 PM
Sol..looking forward to seeing you again in Vegas! Mel- not a bad idea..I may consider amateur night..
Jane
Post by: Angelus on June 29, 2005, 06:02:27 PM
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Thanks Everybody for the kind words! It is nice to be missed. My Boobs FEEL incredible!
Sol..looking forward to seeing you again in Vegas! Mel- not a bad idea..I may consider amateur night..
Jane
Welcome back, Jane. I remember how we were lamenting how expensive certain docs in NYC were. Holla.
Post by: Suzanne on June 29, 2005, 10:49:03 PM
Post by: dochuge on July 05, 2005, 01:12:21 PM
You look absolutely fantastic. Dick, you are a LUCKY dude.... Seriously Jane, you look terrific. Thanks for the pic. This Dr. Baeke looks like the doc if a woman wants to go well over 1000 cc's so Tracy's search may be over. Speaking of which, Tracy is going under the knife again this Friday. She's getting a full abdominoplasty (aka tummy tuck). Guess she wanted a really flat belly with those big boobs of hers. Hopefully she wont be so camera shy and I can post a few pix after she's healed up. Maybe a visit to doc Baeke's office in the summer of '06 after this one..... Then I THINK, although I'm really not sure, if that ends her transformation.
Post by: Keisha_Evans on July 06, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
I'm happy to hear that things went great! I'm just sorry I didn't get the chance to meet up with you. Maybe next time you're in town, lol! As I've always said, the Baeke's are incredible and I recommend them to everyone.
If you have a question, they are more than willing to explain and will never do anything which might jeopardize the health of the patient. I admire and respect them. (My 2 cents, lol)Hugs and kisses to you all,
Keisha
Post by: Providian623 on July 13, 2005, 04:17:37 PM
Spoke to the wife who says it's full speed ahead. She has to have her old implants removed and heal up for 6 0r 7 months before she gets her new 1400's. I told her to go ahead and do it now, but she wants to wait for another 45 days until after I meet her in Germany. She's very self concious w/o her implants and to be truthful she is actually almost concave on one side. Makes no difference to me but I guess if I have to wait then I have to wait.
I'll keep you posted as this thing rolls along. But if it's like everything else it will be slow going till the very end. The end results will speak for themselves! She's got to wear them, but I'll be one happy camper LOL.
Well 2 days rest and back out for 30. Be thankful for what you have because we're thankful for anything that comes our way, water, sweat, a camel peeing up wind into a stiff breeze.........LOL
Post by: Sable Holiday on July 15, 2005, 12:44:41 AM
HI Everyone, this is the most interesting thread I have ever read on the BEA.WOW!
I wish I knew of Dr. B before,His work looks wonderful.
Ria, your comments were very touching... I can relate (as you know).I admire your honesty as well as your insight, you look great
So do the other gals ...hi gals!! 
And Suzanne, thank you for the information, you are so appreciated!
Post by: Rafe on July 15, 2005, 07:07:12 PM
Post by: Dick_Woods on July 18, 2005, 06:34:46 PM
On a side note, as I am writing this, Suzanne just called the house, and she is on the phone with Jane discussing a question that Jane had. She returned her call right away...damn We just love Doc & Suzanne Beake....,
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 28, 2005, 11:15:35 PM
Post by: Angelus on July 29, 2005, 04:51:38 PM
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If you looked like this what would you say?
That's quite a dangerous picture you posted. What are you trying to imply, Firsty McPosterson?
Post by: bigguns on July 30, 2005, 03:00:50 PM
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 30, 2005, 10:52:17 PM
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 30, 2005, 10:53:16 PM
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 30, 2005, 10:57:20 PM
Maybe another picture can speak better for me. If you wish you can PM me and I will be happy to give you my number so you can call me for the facts.
All of you feel free to PM for the truth.
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 30, 2005, 10:58:49 PM
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 30, 2005, 11:11:01 PM
He should do the right thing and help fix me. Aftercare has been mentioned before. What aftercare? Any aftercare I got I paid for. I was told I needed numerous procedures when I went there. They hit me up for everything. And now look at me. Thousands of dollars in the hole and in debt, out of work, and mutilated. Anyone now want to question my being here?
If anyone has a problem with my presence here I suppose the truth hurts.
I am in need of serious medical attention. I do not have the funds for anymore procedures. Anyone want to offer me an idea or suggestion? Personally, I think instead of Dr. Baeke's office calling me for more money they should be calling me to offer their help. Afterall, he is responsible for this disaster.
Post by: collared_cherri on July 31, 2005, 12:15:40 AM
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That is the implant coming through my nipple. An implant that was smaller then the original size I went to Doctor Baeke with.
Could you please post some pics that aren't so out of focus.
I also have a question. You said the implants in the picture were smaller than the ones you went to him (Dr Baeke) with. Are you saying that he put smaller ones in than you wanted? Given that fact, what do you think would have happened had he implanted the bigger size you originally went to him with? Or are you saying that someone else switched the larger ones out and this is the result after that occured? I'm trying to figure out what's quoted above.
The pics are horrific for sure, but I'm not so sure we're given the entire story here. Did you follow his instructions explicity? Did you ask what kind of back-up plan there would be should something go wrong even if you did follow his instructions to the letter?
There are risks involved in every surgical procedure. And yes, mistakes happen. And yes, some of those mistakes are at the hands of the surgeon themselves. But to say that there are only a few success stories and many horror stories isn't exactly the truth (at least not as far as this thread is concerned). So far you are the only one who has said anything negative about his work. All the others had issues with prices quoted or the fact that his wife posted to the list. I'm not saying that anything you've said so far is a lie or is invalid, but I am saying I don't feel we have all the facts. Yes, a picture paints a thousand words, but how sure can we be that this is actually Dr Baeke's work?
I'll make my decision to go or not to go to him based on the facts that are presented to me. I understand how emotional this experience has been for you, but I've also heard the same kind of emotion at the other end of the spectrum from others. Ultimately it's my decision whether or not I'll allow him to take a knife to me. Just as it was yours.
cherri
Post by: Palomine on July 31, 2005, 12:40:59 AM
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But to say that there are only a few success stories and many horror stories isn't exactly the truth
That's not what AF said... she said we HEAR of a few successes... not that there only WERE a few successes. There's a difference. And without doubt, we've only heard from a fraction of a percent of Dr. B's patients here... so ALL evidence/testimonials are anecdotal at this point.
All posters here are entitled to express their opinions... if Dr. B's reps and satisfied customers can post kudos, folks who have a different opinion are entitled to post too. Anyone can do so... within reason of course, just as anyone can rebut another's comment if they wish to do so. I hope folks will make an effort to treat each other with at least a minimum of respect... expecially in regards to this sensitive, emotionally-charged issue.
Thanks in advance to those who will think about the consequences of their words BEFORE they post.
Post by: Dick_Woods on July 31, 2005, 05:21:25 AM
Opinions are one thing, this is slander. Someone chimes in with a screen name we have never seen before with horrifying pictures and attributes them to a respected surgeon. This person has no credentials or credibility, Not ONE reference from anyone in the industry ('she' alleges to be a performer), or even something as simple as a prior track record of posting here in the forum so we can determine if there is or is not a prior agenda. Meanwhile the Dr is left to defend himself against erroneous accusations.
You know gang, I have a good Idea who Lisa Williams, and Alaska Fox is . And even from this person the gutlessness and lack of professionalsm astounds me.
I implore the moderators...attacking another board member whos identity is only as public as their screen name is one thing, but baselessly attacking a professional who has been gracious enough to answer legitimate questions here in our forum, and exposed himself and his real life career is quite another.
Opinion: "Those shoes look horrible on you"
Slander: This thread
Post by: Angelus on July 31, 2005, 06:02:44 AM
I'll tell you what, Alaska Fox. If you're going to slander Dr. Baeke and pull a pussy move like "PM me for details", I'm going to say that IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
Dr. Baeke has all his cards on the table. I call and ask you do the same. If you're willing to post topless pictures of yourself, then there's no reason you can release other information about yourself like the date of your proceedure.
We have at least three (Rhiannon, Keisha, and Jane) who are vouching for his work.
Why do I have a feeling that you're just trying to stir up trouble and just grabbed some pictures from an anti-implant website?
And besides, looking at your pictures, if there's even a KERNEL of truth, one would think you would have some sort of legal recourse. And what's the first thing a lawyer advises when you launch an action? KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT.
Post by: ZoD on July 31, 2005, 06:35:31 AM
Post by: bigguns on July 31, 2005, 07:27:18 AM
Post by: Palomine on July 31, 2005, 10:06:03 AM
It's an opinion... more likely to be taken seriously if additional info was provided but since no one ELSE here is required to post their real-life ID info in order to have their posts taken seriously, I think it's odd to insist that this poster do so. If she wishes to substantiate her claims further she can do so. If she does not, that's her choice too... but it should be clear to her that there are folks here who doubt her claims. Such is the nature of posting on the internet.
Again: with the oh-so-few opinions that have been posted here about Dr. B's work, ANYONE with two or three brain cells to rub together will surely agree that taken in total, they do NOT represent any kind of statistially valid sampling of his work. Period. As such, ALL opinions about it, both PRO and CON, should be taken with a large grain of salt, if not a whole shaker full.
Though I am NOT saying that I know this is what happened, I DO find it believable that even the best and most accomplished surgeon can have a patient with poor, even tragic, results on occasion. Whether these particular results are Dr. B's responsibility or not, we have absolutely no way to know at this point. That fact in and of itself should simply tell readers/users to take them as currently unsubstantiated.
I'd again ask that regardless of the actual historical details of this poster's experiences... that folks here at least try to demonstrate a little sensitivity... as befits all adults here discussing such a serious topic.
Thanks.
And to bigguns: if you'll take the trouble to READ my post, you'll see that I said that ALL users have the right to express their opinions here... and ALL includes YOU of course. Your defensiveness is unwarranted, and if your loved one experienced a problematic surgical result herself, I'd think you'd at least be able to empathize with another person who claims to have experienced the exact same thing. You are entitled to your opinion, Dick to his, I to mine and yes, AF to hers too... how long any of us has been posting here is NOT a litmus test for the right to post.
Post by: Angelus on July 31, 2005, 11:19:24 AM
Coming soon: Angelus' Happy Fun Mass Grave Picture Thread.
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 31, 2005, 04:53:37 PM
I am not here to make a problem for anyone. I am here to post my personal experience reagrding the surgeon.
The thread read "Does anybody have any info on Dr. Baeke in Kansas?" And yes I do.
What I have stated is not "slander" it is fact.
I know all forms of surgery offer risks. But a decent surgeon would address, free of charge, unexpected results and/or complications that would arise from a procedure. He won't even return my calls. Like I said the only calls I get from that office are for more money and the amount changes daily.
I am trying to provide others with information as a former patient of the surgeon. After care is so important. I was told that it was included and then I was hit up with a bill for additional 1000's of dollars.
I can only state what I know through my experience. I thought it might be useful for some.
Post by: Alaska_Fox on July 31, 2005, 04:55:06 PM
Post by: Angelus on July 31, 2005, 08:58:42 PM
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I am sorry that you do not have the stomach for my reality. This thread is about a surgeon. I am presenting my results after using his services.
Can I dissect for you exactly what you did wrong?
Your first post was one sentence and a picture of a mutilated breast. It was the very essence of what's called "shock posting". In other words, it's attention whoring method to get people to look at you and create drama.
You wanna know what the problem is and tripped off my bullshit detector? You didn't put yourself out there in your first post, you didn't say exactly what went wrong, you didn't do a lot of things.
Somebody who wants to LOGICIALLY demonstrate their problem and their side of the story would be, "Hi, my name is Alaska Fox... I've had some issues with Dr. Baeke that I might want to give you guys the heads up on".
Instead, you made drama.
Collared Cheri brough up a very good point - how do we know that this is Dr. Baeke's work? You've given us nothing but finger pointing and a repeated accusation that Dr. Baeke is hitting you up for money.
There are a million options you could take to have this corrected... but you choose dragging it out on a messageboard? Why is this?
Sorry, I call shenanigans.
There's just a shitload of things that don't add up.
Post by: SirCrazyWolf on July 31, 2005, 10:38:28 PM
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imply because some of Dr. B's patients (whom we know and count among our friends here) have posted on his behalf does NOT automatically make contrary opinions into 'slander.'
No, but the nature of the accusations Alaska_Fox has levelled against Dr. Baeke could give grounds for a charge of libel. This is serious stuff, ladies & gentlemen. What we have here is one person making direct, unsubstantiated, personal attacks on another, with the intention of damaging his business and wrecking his professional reputation. Per the usual disclaimer, IANAL, but I would not be a bit surprised if those posts were actionable.
I was a sysop for nearly five years, back in the days of the dialup BBS. If anyone had posted something like this on my system, I'd have deleted the posts pronto, and if the same person nevertheless kept bringing up the subject, I'd ban the poster, too. You don't want to get mixed up in a possible libel suit.
Keep in mind also that Alaska_Fox's personal information may not be valid, in which case the law (or Dr. Baeke's attorney) won't be able to find her easily. But everybody knows where to find BEA. You could end up as the principal defendant.
Post by: Rhiannon on July 31, 2005, 11:46:28 PM
I feel very responsible for the faith that so many of you have developed and expressed towards Dr. Baeke.
I can no longer refer him based upon e-mails, calls and pictures I have received from those I have sent to him.
There is another male poster here that recently contacted me and described a dissatisfactory result his female friend had encountered when using the Doctor's services.
He is just one of many that have privately e-mailed me and called me voicing their concerns and complaints.
Even I have a problem that has yet to heal.
I personally know and can vouche for the difficulties described by our most recent poster. How, because I sent her to him.
Please PM me if any of you would like additional information.
Post by: collared_cherri on August 01, 2005, 07:51:20 AM
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Again: with the oh-so-few opinions that have been posted here about Dr. B's work, ANYONE with two or three brain cells to rub together will surely agree that taken in total, they do NOT represent any kind of statistially valid sampling of his work. Period. As such, ALL opinions about it, both PRO and CON, should be taken with a large grain of salt, if not a whole shaker full.
Yes, I will agree with that. To be fair, I was asking for some follow-up to her claims. Something to substantiate what she said. I never said she was a liar or was here simply to cause drama. I took her post as seriously as I've taken others that sing Dr B's praises. All I was asking for was some kind of confirmation. I DO weigh up the pros and cons when making a decision for myself. Hence the fact that I want more info. I'm not the kind of person who will only listen to what I want to hear. I want to make an informed decision for myself.
Personally, I give more credibility to someone with a little history of posting. Just as I give more credibility to a professional who has more experience in their chosen field. That's not to say that her opinion is worth less than someone who posts regularly, just that I personally will give more credence to someone who does.
What this does for me is give me more questions to ask when it's my own body being put on the line. I want to know beforehand whose responsibility it is to fix any problems which may occur. Especially problems that came about through no fault of my own. I'm not going to go into this with the attitude of "just make me bigger, I'll worry about the rest later". I'm going to worry about everything beforehand. An ounce of prevention... and all that.
Noone has a 100% success rate. There's a chance I will be one of the unfortunate people who has something go wrong for whatever reason. And knowing that, I want to know going in what can, and will, be done to right a wrong. I won't go into this with assumptions of how everything will be handled. I will go in knowing that I'm at risk of something going wrong and who is responsible for fixing it (both financially and surgically). I don't wear rose tinted glasses. In order to weigh the pros and cons, I need to give both sides credibility. And that's all I'm asking for here. No more, no less. I'm simply trying to gather all the info I need. Then, and only then, will I go under the knife. AT MY OWN RISK
cherri
Post by: collared_cherri on August 01, 2005, 09:54:28 AM
cherri
Post by: Alaska_Fox on August 01, 2005, 03:21:12 PM
For those of you who do not know me my credits are as follows:
I was a cheerleader for 5 years with The Cowboys
Appeared in over 300 XXX films
I have appeared in a number of popular magazines:
Score, Gent, Nugget, D-Cup, Cheri', Penthouse etc..
Radio and TV appearances
A host at the Avn's
Also reviewed in the AVN's for my movies
and the list goes on.
Hopefully this will give you a better understanding as of to why this disaster has greatly effected me aside from being a woman it is my career.
Post by: Alaska_Fox on August 01, 2005, 03:26:20 PM
I would have thought that Dr. Baeke would have offered to fix this mess.
Post by: boobrepli on August 01, 2005, 03:29:43 PM
Post by: Angelus on August 01, 2005, 07:23:18 PM
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Hopefully this will give you a better understanding as of to why this disaster has greatly effected me aside from being a woman it is my career.
If that's the case, this interview damns you...
http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/tara_moon.htm
So you're telling me that you told Luke that you hated your tits, and you needed money for your special needs offspring, yet you're staying in the Mandalay Bay at 1500 bucks a week? The Springhill Suites is right around the corner, darling.
And if you do have an engineering degree, then maybe you should realize that a 9-to-5 job has something porn woefully lacks.... FAMILY HEALTH INSURANCE.
You also had your tits worked on thirteen times as of 9 months ago, when this interview took place. Thirteen times. This isn't like this is the first surgery out of the box and this is what happened.
And finally... and this is absolutely fucking HYSTERICAL.
Tara: "Yes, but I don't like all the talk, people getting into your business without knowing the story. And if someone doesn't like you, they try to destroy you.
Post by: Angelus on August 01, 2005, 07:38:03 PM
If Tara is indeed legitimate, that's fine. But Tara should not be shattered about her career... if she in fact has degrees like she claims in her interview with Luke, she should take heart in the fact that there is a career for her outside of porn.
As for being a woman... again, my apologies. But didn't you think that when you conduct 13 surgeries on yourself in the same area, there can be complications that arise?
Get well soon.
Post by: hasenfeffer on August 01, 2005, 10:45:04 PM
Post by: Angelus on August 01, 2005, 11:06:14 PM
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Angelus dude this thread is about Dr Baeke. What can you tell us about him? ....
He makes tits bigger. He lives in Kansas City. Some ladies like him, some ladies don't. As with ANY DOCTOR THAT DOES BOOB JOBS, DO YOUR RESEARCH.
I've also learned from this thread that if you're in porn, you should really save your money.
Post by: Angelus on August 01, 2005, 11:10:16 PM
I cannot vouch for Dr. Baeke, as I have no experience with him. I have only spoken with doctors on the East Coast.
My actions in this thread solely come from the fact that Alaska Fox's first post really pissed me off (I was eating at the time) and it's hard for me to settle down once I get annoyed.
Post by: SirCrazyWolf on August 01, 2005, 11:54:59 PM
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You also had your tits worked on thirteen times as of 9 months ago, when this interview took place. Thirteen times. This isn't like this is the first surgery out of the box and this is what happened.
Thirteen times! Now fourteen, presumably. You slice open any part of anyone's body that often, and it will turn to hamburger. The same thing happened to Michael Jackson's nose, and you can be sure he used only the best plastic surgeons Thriller could buy.
A sad story, but I'm definitely not taking sides. There used to be a legal term, 'the author of one's own misfortune'. Seems like it could apply here.
Post by: BigMac on August 02, 2005, 12:12:45 PM
While the situation that Alaska/Tara faces is undoubtably a terrible one, has anyone else noted the comment in the latest copy of Gent that Tara Moon had been expected to enlarge from 1000 to 2000cc following 2 trips to a surgeon in France which went terribly wrong. She was said to have been in a hotel room recovering from the first of a number of required procedures by a US Doctor who was attempting to repair the French disaster.
If this is the case, the fact that the original damage was not done by Dr Baeke should be included in this thread for fairness, if nothing else!
Experience always shows, there are two sides to every story.
Post by: collared_cherri on August 02, 2005, 01:26:43 PM
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I now have a gapping hole that no one will touch me. I am not even sutured closed. I have no doctor and no money. I spent a small fortune with the Baeke's and now to add insult to injury his office calls me looking for more money.
He should do the right thing and help fix me. Aftercare has been mentioned before. What aftercare? Any aftercare I got I paid for. I was told I needed numerous procedures when I went there. They hit me up for everything. And now look at me. Thousands of dollars in the hole and in debt, out of work, and mutilated. Anyone now want to question my being here?
When you were told you needed numerous procedures, did you think it was one price for all? Were you told it was one price for all? The fact that they "hit you up for everything" says they expected you to pay for all the services you received. Did you assume (either rightly or wrongly) that some of the services performed would be done free of charge?
I do not dispute the fact that you would be thousands of dollars in the hole. Plastic surgery comes at a price. A very expensive price. And as with any financial venture, one must allow for discrepancies whether forseen or unforseen.
There is no question that the pictures you have shown us show a disasterous result. Here is how I would suggest you could quell the suspicions. Ask for a copy of your medical records. You are lawfully entitled to them. This will show the date you had the surgery performed and who operated on you. Scan the documentation and post it to the list. I'm sure when (not if) you take legal action against Dr Baeke this documentation will be extremely important. Perhaps even seal someone's fate. Naturally, any tampering with said document would also seal one's fate, so be sure you are given originals. A court of law will only accept originals. Any copies can be tampered with. I'm sure you would not want to be accused of anything like this, which is why it's imperative you get originals. Ensure that any copies you make aren't changed. It would be a disaster if a modified copy showing discrepancies from the original were to surface online and be used against you in court.
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If anyone has a problem with my presence here I suppose the truth hurts.
I have no problem at all with your presence here. I welcome you and all the truths you have presented.
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I am in need of serious medical attention. I do not have the funds for anymore procedures. Anyone want to offer me an idea or suggestion? Personally, I think instead of Dr. Baeke's office calling me for more money they should be calling me to offer their help. Afterall, he is responsible for this disaster.
I absolutely agree. When they continue to call and harrass you for money, that is the perfect opportunity for you to present your case for corrective surgery. You stated in an earlier post (as quoted further below) that they refuse to return your calls, so wait until you receive one of the harrassing phonecalls and state your case then.
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I am still in the hospital. They will not release me until I have a surgery date lined-up. It is rather difficult since I do not have any funding and no means of acquiring money since I can not work.
I would have thought that Dr. Baeke would have offered to fix this mess.
I'm assuming (and please, correct me if I'm wrong) that most hospitals have a policy of no cell phones. It has a tendency to interfere with electronic equipment. Not to mention the nuisance factor to other patients. Or perhaps you're in a private hospital where the rules are a little more relaxed. Whatever the case may be, either they're contacting you on your cell phone, or they're calling the hospital and being directed to a phone in your room. It would indeed be handy to have a recording device available to record any and all conversations. They're harrassing you, you'd be able to prove that. A word of warning though, you should let them know that "this conversation may be recorded for future evidence" so that they can't cry 'entrapment' when it goes to court.
I know you don't have the funds for more surgery. It must be stressful to think about the accumulating hospital costs you are incurring while staying there waiting for the money to pay for the surgery. Either way, you're accumulating even more debt. It must be a difficult decision to make whether or not to go against medical advice and sign yourself out of the hospital in order to save on the daily costs that are adding up. But you would never go against medical advice, right?
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Thank you for your support.
I am not here to make a problem for anyone. I am here to post my personal experience reagrding the surgeon.
The thread read "Does anybody have any info on Dr. Baeke in Kansas?" And yes I do.
I'm glad you're here. You've opened my eyes to a lot of things.
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But a decent surgeon would address, free of charge, unexpected results and/or complications that would arise from a procedure. He won't even return my calls. Like I said the only calls I get from that office are for more money and the amount changes daily.
I already addressed this issue, but the next call you get, inform them that you want a written detailed statement as to what's still owing and why. Don't just get something that has a total on the bottom with no accounting for how they came at that figure. Make sure every single cent is accounted for. This will help you in your court case.
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I am trying to provide others with information as a former patient of the surgeon. After care is so important. I was told that it was included and then I was hit up with a bill for additional 1000's of dollars.
I can only state what I know through my experience. I thought it might be useful for some.
It is very useful information. It tells me that I must have in writing what is covered and what isn't. Who is responsible for something going wrong both financially and surgically. I will make sure this is in some kind of contract of waiver I sign before being operated on. Perhaps you could check to see what your waiver says?
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I am Tara Moon, partner with Misty Knights. I was formerly known as Chante'
For those of you who do not know me my credits are as follows:
I was a cheerleader for 5 years with The Cowboys
For those who don't believe you were a cheerleader, the easiest way to prove that is to post pics of you with the squad. It may be hard to do from a hospital bed, so I'm sure that kind of information can be found online at the official Dallas Cowboys site? They will often have profiles of the cheerleaders. Both past and present
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Appeared in over 300 XXX films
I have appeared in a number of popular magazines:
Score, Gent, Nugget, D-Cup, Cheri', Penthouse etc..
Radio and TV appearances
A host at the Avn's
Also reviewed in the AVN's for my movies
and the list goes on.
Certainly a very full resume.
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Hopefully this will give you a better understanding as of to why this disaster has greatly effected me aside from being a woman it is my career.
Yes it has. Thankfully for you, you have your Electrical and Aerospace Engineering degree to fall back on and don't have to rely solely on the income of your adult industry career. Others are not as fortunate to have such a sound education to back them up. I'm assuming that porn is your passion over your chosen educated career, but sometimes if we can't be porn stars we have to settle for being brilliant academics. It's such a tough choice to have to make.
Having been the victim of untrue gossip (alleged pregnancy) I'm sure you fully understand the implications it can have on one's career, livelihood and reputation to be wrongfully accused. You wouldn't wish anything like that on another professional having been through it yourself, would you? Everything you've said about Dr Baeke has been the truth and you have documented proof of such. Anything less would be slander, and you've told us emphatically that it isn't.
Finally, a suggestion that will prove to all that what you state is fact (in conjunction with the medical records); you could take a picture with a current newspaper in front of you with today's date. There would be no doubt that you look exactly like this today and now. It would quieten all the disbelievers.
We are blessed to have some brilliant morphers on this list. That allows us the luxury of having experts who can tell when a picture has been doctored and when it's for real. The software they use to create their morphed pics also allows them to determine when someone is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Naturally, you are under no obligation to do anything I have suggested, I'm just trying to help
I look forward to your future comments.
cherri
Post by: Dick_Woods on August 02, 2005, 05:47:27 PM
2. Aliens at Roswell
3. The second gunman in the grassy knoll
4. the Loch Ness Monster
5. Alaska Fox
....just a few things I don't beleive.
Post by: Alaska_Fox on August 02, 2005, 06:01:19 PM
First of all you do not anything about my personal life or do you? What has been posted in Luke's site is not even remotely true as I have never met the guy in person and he is making up stories not ony about me but also of other people. It does not matter where I am staying or what I do, the fact is that I am talking about an experience I recently have and am living with - this is a fact - it is me writing it and nobody else is writing it for me.
If you did not like me from the start because of the way I posted - I am sorry, but nobody is perfect and I did not post it to make you throw up, I posted it so people can see what you can look like.
Uder the comment that I have had 13 surgeries before this - it is os nobody's business how many surgeries I have had, the fact is that I cannot work because of a surgeon's mistake and it is very hard to figure out a way to get it fixed - it is more than money.
I came in here to inform people of what Dr. Baeke did to me and that is all - I am not asking for your help in any way, so if you are not going to be nice, please do not post a comment to my postings and I will not post comments to yours - this site is about information, not on what other people write about you in other sites - Luke and Mike South are 2 people that like to get into people's business, get things wrong 95% of the time and also try oto destroy other people's names - and if you do not believe that, why don't you contact some of the people they have written about and then you can tell me how much is true and how much is fake, so please, if you want to know something, base your opinion AFTER you have talked to the person, you can IM me and I will give you my number and you can see who I am and what I am about and I can guarantee you that everything said on that site is false or pretty close to it.
Getting back to the implants: I postred here because I heard Suzanne came in here and I want her to see what it looks like and do the right thing - which is fix it -and I was hoping to get support from other member in the forum, but obviously I found out that it was a mistake to even join the forum and I should continue doing what I was doing: get support from someone else - my friend talked very highly of all of you - but by the way I am being treated you would not believe this is a happy and friendly forum.
Post by: boobrepli on August 02, 2005, 06:10:46 PM
Good of luck getting your boobs fixed!
Post by: Alaska_Fox on August 02, 2005, 06:33:56 PM
This is probably going to be my last post as it seems that everybody is against me here. Yes, I do have a degree that I got when I was young - that is 18 yrs ago - so, if you have not worked in that field for 18 yrs, do you think my degree is still valid? You can go on the cheerleaders archives specially 89-90/ 90-91/ 91-92 those re the best three pics.
If you were a lawyer I would give you the medical paperwork, but you are not my lawyer and you just have to believe me - I will send you my personal number and you may call me if you wish - I am sure after talking to me you would not be doubting all this.
I came in the site to get support from other people and warn people about certain surgeons. I was also hoping that the surgeon would come up and fix what he did.
Look, I really liked Dr. Baeke and Suzanne, they are nice people and I thought he was a good surgeon, but look at me now, after three different opinions and being in the hospital twice - where they tried to close the scar and I was told that there were no sutures in the middle of the incision makes me wonder why this happened. I am not trying to sue him right now, I am actually hoping that they fix their mistake and then I can go ahead and keep saying he is good or he is bad, but right now I do not think he is being a professional by not fixing a mistake that he did - a good surgeon would look at their patients health first and then the rest, specially when it is not the first surgery they have performed. When a surgeon backs you up when everything goes well, and drops you when evrything goes wrong, what opinion would you have of him? and that is what I am going through right now.
You are right, I can get a job as a waitress or something wearing a special bra that has one breast made into it, that is not a problem, but this is emotionally and physically draining and at times you cannot even think straight - it gets time to get used to having one breast and not two of them and being at the hospital on IV antibiotics makes it a lot worse.
I better run and I will probably come back to the site later on and see if anyone send me the private IM - I have no problem talkng with anyone over the phone and I have no problem with anyone getting my medical records, but I am not here to proove something, I am here to let people know what happened to me - it is up to you to believe me or not - I am going on tv about this, so all of you that do not believe it, I will let you know the airing date and then you can make up your mind, because I liked Dr. Baeke and Suzane I have no proceeded on anything drastic, so far I have just asked for their help fixing what they did but after asking several times and not getting a response I may have to do something else about it - but I am giving them the opportunity to do good on something that went wrong - I do have the medical paperwork and so is my lawyer, but because I do like them I am trying to have them fix it so I can get back to work.
Post by: rtpoe on August 02, 2005, 07:42:30 PM
rtpoe
Post by: Inherency on August 02, 2005, 09:47:16 PM
Post by: Pixeltiger on August 02, 2005, 09:54:47 PM
After the turmoil which ensued on this last page, I find myself wondering why there has been no rebuttal to AF's posts by Suzanne.
I am all too aware that these things do happen. A model who was formerly a regular poster on this board had her career and life ruined by surgery performed by a doctor in Lake Tahoe. The doctor has refused to acknowledge his mistake and the fact that he installed a faulty implant and made no attempt at rectifying the problem. (Please feel free to PM me if you want further details).
This has cost her a fortune in lost earnings and made her utterly miserable and left her self esteem in tatters.
I realise that cosmetic surgery is not an exact science, but I do feel that surgeons should attempt to fix problems that they have caused.
Dick, you know I respect you buddy but I don't know why you are so determined to undermine Tara's story. To me it seems all she has tried to do is warn others of a potential danger. Obviously I am delighted that Jane's surgery worked out well but the fact that Rhiannon has now admitted that she can no longer in good conscience recommend Dr Baeke speaks volumes:
Quote:We both know Rhia as a determined and smart woman and her opinion carries some gravitas around these parts.
I can no longer refer him based upon e-mails, calls and pictures I have received from those I have sent to him.
There is another male poster here that recently contacted me and described a dissatisfactory result his female friend had encountered when using the Doctor's services.
He is just one of many that have privately e-mailed me and called me voicing their concerns and complaints.
Even I have a problem that has yet to heal.
I personally know and can vouche for the difficulties described by our most recent poster. How, because I sent her to him.
Please PM me if any of you would like additional information.
Tara you have my deepest sympathies. I hope you see a satisfactory and speedy resolution to your problems.
Pixeltiger
Post by: Angelus on August 02, 2005, 10:34:31 PM
Quote:
Angelus:
First of all you do not anything about my personal life or do you? What has been posted in Luke's site is not even remotely true as I have never met the guy in person and he is making up stories not ony about me but also of other people.
Inconsistency: You claim the interview is completely fabricated, yet you claim to have the engineering degree that is mentioned in the interview, along with the dates that you were a cheerleader. Doesn't match up.
Quote:
Uder the comment that I have had 13 surgeries before this - it is os nobody's business how many surgeries I have had, the fact is that I cannot work because of a surgeon's mistake and it is very hard to figure out a way to get it fixed - it is more than money.
Bzzzt. Wrong. In a thread like this, it is CERTAINLY everyone's business how many surgeries you had. Why? Because if Baeke wasn't the first one to cut you open, this could be a series of problems dating back to your first augmentation WITH A DIFFERENT SURGEON.
Going back to Rhiannon's comments - wasn't the reason you were operated on by Baeke is because a French doctor messed up in the first place? So it's not like you went to see Baeke with perfect tits.
Quote:
I should continue doing what I was doing: get support from someone else - my friend talked very highly of all of you - but by the way I am being treated you would not believe this is a happy and friendly forum.
Honestly, I'd be more than willing to support your cause if you hadn't pissed me off in the first place. I don't care what your intent was with your first post - it was an obvious drama generator. No warning about how graphic the picture was, no explanation, no NOTHING.
Post by: Angelus on August 02, 2005, 10:35:37 PM
Quote:
After the turmoil which ensued on this last page, I find myself wondering why there has been no rebuttal to AF's posts by Suzanne.
Mainly because Tara has threatened legal action against the Baekes. And as any good lawyer will tell you, when you have pending litigation, you should keep your mouth shut, especially on a public messageboard. Which tells me that the Baekes have much, MUCH better lawyers than anyone Tara has retained.
What Tara fails to realize is that in the way she's handled herself in this thread, without full disclosure of how she got to that point, Dr. Baeke can just as easily turn around and countersue her (and the BEA) for loss of clientele. Why? Because anyone who does a google search for Dr. Baeke may pull up this thread and be instantly scared off.
This is where the slanderous/libelous allegations come into play. We don't know HOW Tara got to the point as illustrated in the pictures, if they are legitimate. We don't know how many surgeries she's had. We don't know a lot of important factors. All we know is, that if someone who didn't know both sides of the story read this thread, they would think that Dr. Baeke is some sort of butcher.
Post by: barbie on August 02, 2005, 11:24:23 PM
I think that this new poster's identity should be revealed as the missing "suzanne" or Dr. Baeke himself. A little odd that all of a sudden this person steps forward.
Post by: Providian623 on August 02, 2005, 11:27:13 PM
I have been catching up on the postings and find Tara Moons' interesting. I am sorry to hear of her misfortune. However, I have to agree that one cannot continually have plastic surgery in one area and not have complications. Once scaring takes place, the area of tissue is not going to respond to repeated incisions well. I'm not a doctor (I play one at home) but this is common knowlege and Michael Jacksons' nose is a classic example. Now let me say this: Ms. Moon has a right to post and say what she wants just as I do, or anyone else in the forum. Some may agree, some may not, but don't go bonkers because you don't like the message. Paranoia runs a little deep in here about motives and lies. Suzanne will not reply just as I would not reply. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. If I were in the medical field and I even remotely thought there might be a chance of a malpractice action I wouldn't say diddly either.
My only real question to Tara is "What did you do with your money"? You keep crying broke. You've been in the business a long time. Granted reconstructive surgeries are expensive, but even I am saving some money on my pay scale. (then again I have free medical and the best Medivac helicopters money can buy)
I'd suggest a doctor who specializes in breast cancer reconstruction. Those guys have seen it all and are used to working with tragic results.
Good luck to you. You will eventually be repaired but I think it's safe to say you're probably out of the business. 9 to 5 isn't so bad! (or in my case 18 hrs a day, every day and I get to carry all sorts of heavy things that influence peoples lives).
By the way, the wife is still going to use the good doctor probably in about 2 months, so I'll keep you all posted. She's seeing him because he has a good history of fixing others mistakes. And believe me she's had her problems (Dow Corning).
It's called freedom of speech folks, and me and my buddies are buying it for everyone in here, including Tara Moon and Angelus, so lighten up a little if you would! My life is complicated enough as it is! (2nd tour half over & might get stuck with a third)
Keep the faith! We'll be home soon (I hope)
Post by: barbie on August 02, 2005, 11:40:43 PM
This is not a place where we should be "policing" ourselves. But rather a site that offers us the right to act on our "freedom of speech". I see nothing slanderous in her posts. She is simply stating her facts.
Post by: DoubleXL on August 02, 2005, 11:44:46 PM
Quote:hey i remember you from the 5th wheel.
I am Tara Moon, partner with Misty Knights. I was formerly known as Chante'
For those of you who do not know me my credits are as follows:
I was a cheerleader for 5 years with The Cowboys
Appeared in over 300 XXX films
I have appeared in a number of popular magazines:
Score, Gent, Nugget, D-Cup, Cheri', Penthouse etc..
Radio and TV appearances
A host at the Avn's
Also reviewed in the AVN's for my movies
and the list goes on.
Hopefully this will give you a better understanding as of to why this disaster has greatly effected me aside from being a woman it is my career.
Post by: barbie on August 03, 2005, 12:05:06 AM
Post by: barbie on August 03, 2005, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: MunchWolf on August 03, 2005, 12:19:58 AM
Quote:
boobrepli writes:
This site is basicly about breast expansion, not about breast complications, so basicly people are reacting strange on your post
while yes, you are correct about the nature of this site, this particular sub-forum is about Real World Breast Enlargement Options / Information .. of which talking about implants and complications about them is On-topic ...
Quote:
barbie writes:
Unlike you, I have been a poster in the past. How come no one is giving this "new" poster any grief like poor Tara Moon? Why aren't you questioning his/her thoughts?
I believe you are Kaiser Sosay
Quote:
InherencySolven writes:
Come on guys, show some decency, whether you believe her or not. While her claims against Dr. Baeke are not completely substantiated, they appear to be mostly valid. Sometimes we have to set aside our fantasies.
You get the voice of reason award (which comes with a free Frogurt ... but it has a terrible curse)
Quote:
Rhiannon writes:
Has anyone wondered why I have not been on this thread for a long period of time?
I feel very responsible for the faith that so many of you have developed and expressed towards Dr. Baeke.
I can no longer refer him based upon e-mails, calls and pictures I have received from those I have sent to him.
There is another male poster here that recently contacted me and described a dissatisfactory result his female friend had encountered when using the Doctor's services.
He is just one of many that have privately e-mailed me and called me voicing their concerns and complaints.
Even I have a problem that has yet to heal.
I personally know and can vouche for the difficulties described by our most recent poster. How, because I sent her to him.
Please PM me if any of you would like additional information.
did everyone miss this post??? Sure she's got lovely tits which just distract the casual reader from following her words as they effortlessly sway side to side ... her full pouty lips beckoning you to caress her ample jugs ... she guides your hand across her nipple as she lets out a low moan ...
...
um ... I mean ... re-read what she said and ignore the nice boobs for now (we'll get back to them later) ... while she speaks no ill of Dr Baeke, she retracts previous endorsements of him. As one of my ex-coworkers from cingular used to say, "This speaks volumes" ...
-Munch "Course he also says the earth is only 6,000 years old ... so dunno how much credence we can lend him" Wolf
Post by: collared_cherri on August 03, 2005, 12:48:14 AM
Quote:Quote:
Rhiannon writes:
Even I have a problem that has yet to heal.
did everyone miss this post??? Sure she's got lovely tits which just distract the casual reader from following her words as they effortlessly sway side to side ... her full pouty lips beckoning you to caress her ample jugs ... she guides your hand across her nipple as she lets out a low moan ...
Actually, yes I did read the post and I posed a question in response. "Is she better or worse off for having gone to Dr B?" I know she had problems beforehand, and just because she still has a problem that has yet to heal, doesn't mean it was caused by Dr B. Perhaps Rhiannon will respond with pictures before and after her visit to Dr B to confirm?
cherri
Post by: auto_reply on August 03, 2005, 01:57:45 AM
Quote:
How come no one is giving this "new" poster any grief like poor Tara Moon? Why aren't you questioning his/her thoughts?
I think that this new poster's identity should be revealed as the missing "suzanne" or Dr. Baeke himself. A little odd that all of a sudden this person steps forward.
That is enough of this line of thinking. As for the freedom of speech, while each poster is responsible for his or her own words, we all have to follow the guidelines set forth by the Owner and not the Constitution or Bill of Rights.
Post by: MunchWolf on August 03, 2005, 05:07:39 AM
-Munch "He is Kaiser Sosay" Wolf
Post by: TrapJaw on August 03, 2005, 01:48:59 PM
Post by: Dick_Woods on August 03, 2005, 04:05:09 PM
First off, I would like to say that if there is anyone's opinion that I respect, and if there is anyone on this forum that I admire as a person, it is PixelTiger. Pix, I consider you among my freinds, and you are a true gentleman, gallant to the end. That is why Jane, along with half of the women in Las vegas want to jump your bones...
That being said, I feel that Tara Moons condition is absolutely tragic. If there was anything I could do to ease her suffering I certainly would. Understand though, that I do not feel that any of this "Alaska Fox stuff' is at all legitimate, or that the Baeke's caused Tara Moon's condition at all. I even feel that Tara, and Alsaska might even be two totally different people. I have my reason's for feeling this way, but I am not going to make publuic accusations as to why this thread has gone in the direction it has. I just feel that certain people have their motives for discrediting Dr Beake, whom we have found to be polite, competant, and honorable.
As far as those who are questioning why the Beake's have not responded, I can only speculate that they are most probably persuing a legal course of action, hell, if I were them that is what I would be doing, and as a result are smartly staying as far away from this as they can. Which is also what I hope to do.
Post by: Providian623 on August 03, 2005, 04:22:16 PM
Post by: Suzanne on August 03, 2005, 04:27:41 PM
Post by: Pixeltiger on August 03, 2005, 04:33:13 PM
Quote:OK waaaay off topic here, but hands up how many guys out there are jealous of me right now?
Pix, I consider you among my friends, and you are a true gentleman, gallant to the end. That is why Jane, along with half of the women in Las vegas want to jump your bones...
Anyone who has seen Jane's pics knows just how FINE this woman is (and what a lucky dog hubby Dick is).Pixeltiger
Post by: Carter on August 03, 2005, 05:19:11 PM
Quote:
I think that this new poster's identity should be revealed as the missing "suzanne" or Dr. Baeke himself.
Given your request for openness I have to point out that:
Barbie,
Alaska_Fox,
LisaWilliams27,
and Rhiannon
All post from the same IP address and only post from that one IP address. They appear to all be the same person.
EDIT: ALASKA_FOX has in the past and continues to post from other IPs than used by Rhiannon, et al. The statement I made that she only posts from the same IP as Rhiannon was incorrect.
Post by: Angelus on August 03, 2005, 05:20:12 PM
Quote:
Quote:
I think that this new poster's identity should be revealed as the missing "suzanne" or Dr. Baeke himself.
Given you're request for openness I have to point out that:
Barbie
Alaska_Fox
LisaWilliams27
Rhiannon
All post from the same IP address and only post from that one IP address. They appear to all be the same person.
Best. Post. Ever.
Post by: TrapJaw on August 03, 2005, 07:09:57 PM
Quote:
Quote:
I think that this new poster's identity should be revealed as the missing "suzanne" or Dr. Baeke himself.
Given your request for openness I have to point out that:
Barbie,
Alaska_Fox,
LisaWilliams27,
and Rhiannon
All post from the same IP address and only post from that one IP address. They appear to all be the same person.
That is very ironic, Chev.
Post by: bigguns on August 03, 2005, 07:31:37 PM
Post by: Angelus on August 03, 2005, 07:43:13 PM
Post by: bigguns on August 03, 2005, 08:00:34 PM
Post by: Angelus on August 03, 2005, 08:11:10 PM
Quote:
Angelus, you rock.
I had a feeling that Rhiannon and Alaska were the same person. Given my line of work, I have a knack for identifying the specific writing styles that people have.
Rhiannon's post discrediting Baeke has the same style as Alaska's... short sentences with similar structures and lack of commas, no spacing between paragraphs. Almost robotic.
I wonder if it was really hard for Rhiannon to not capitalize "Me" when speaking as Alaska and Lisa.
Post by: Angelus on August 03, 2005, 09:53:37 PM
Something else I found out in my travels...
LisaWilliams27 endorsed Dr. Yermenian.
So did Barbie.
Barbie was a "soldier" of Rhiannon, as she offered users of the BEA assistance with boob jobs via Rhiannon, during R's exile.
And no offense, I could be off on my facts here, but isn't Yermenian responsible for Vixen's nipple being messed up? Granted, Vixen was trying to put in some new nipple implant, but I just want to get facts straight.
Post by: ImplantsOnly on August 03, 2005, 09:56:13 PM
Post by: sheber on August 03, 2005, 10:04:16 PM
Quote:
Something else I found out in my travels...
LisaWilliams27 endorsed Dr. Yermenian.
So did Barbie.
Barbie was a "soldier" of Rhiannon, as she offered users of the BEA assistance with boob jobs via Rhiannon, during R's exile.
So...We can assume that Rhiannon is Dr. Yermenian?
Post by: tubesman on August 03, 2005, 10:12:11 PM
Post by: MunchWolf on August 04, 2005, 05:03:03 AM
Quote:
So...We can assume that Rhiannon is Dr. Yermenian?
Dammit .. then who is Kaiser Sosay???
-Munch "I just love saying Kaiser Sosay ... Kaiiiiiiiiiiiser .. Sooooooosay ..." Wolf
Post by: Obsessed on August 04, 2005, 05:38:09 AM
Quote:
I have to point out that:
Barbie,
Alaska_Fox,
LisaWilliams27,
and Rhiannon
All post from the same IP address and only post from that one IP address. They appear to all be the same person.
Oh Snap!! Someone just got called out!!
Post by: Providian623 on August 04, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
Since all 4 "people" are posting from the same IP address I'd say it puts knew meaning into the term "Multiple Personalities"!
Or, as the old joke goes:
Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic
and so am I.
Cya all later, refit is over so it's back out on the sand for a couple more days of tanning and volley ball .... LOL
Post by: Alaska_Fox on August 04, 2005, 03:08:09 PM
I have been writing my own posts and I am not a schizophrenic - that I can assure you off. If you take a look again - we have different IP addresses.
People are doubting of who I am, I have been doing video and magazine work for over 14 years - I used to use another name: Chante, I changed it about 3 years ago after I had been out of the business for about 4 years - I figure: new look, new name
Why do you think I would be making this out? If it would not have been my experience I would not have posted anything!
Post by: TrapJaw on August 04, 2005, 04:02:13 PM
Post by: Carter on August 04, 2005, 04:17:37 PM
Quote:
Proxy's rule.
I contacted the a friend who works at the IT departement of the ISP in question. According to him his ISP does not use proxies for this sort of thing. Again, according to him, if four supposedly different people are posting messages to the same forum from the same IP they're doing it from the same home/business.
Post by: Inherency on August 04, 2005, 04:23:10 PM
Post by: Angelus on August 04, 2005, 04:45:15 PM
Post by: Carter on August 04, 2005, 04:51:48 PM
Quote:
I have been writing my own posts and I am not a schizophrenic - that I can assure you off. If you take a look again - we have different IP addresses.
True, you have posted from another ISP. However, all four of those mentioned have posted from one IP address. According to my contact at that ISP's technical department the only way the posts from that IP address could have happened is if they were all made at the same home/business.
Here's the rub. From what I can see while you were, by your own account, in the hospital you posted 8 times from the same IP address used by those same four people. Let's call this ISP A. This includes all but the first of the photos you posted.
You've also posted 8 times from another ISP, ISP B.
All 15 of Barbie's posts have been from the same IP address at ISP A.
All 6 of LisaWilliams27's posts have been from the same IP address at ISP A.
All 31 posts from RhiannonXXX have been from ISP A, but with a different IP address in the same block.
Out of the 980 posts made by Rhiannon....
Well, frankly I don't have the time to go through 980 posts but...
Out of her last 75 posts 73 of those were from that same IP address at ISP A.
2 have been from a third ISP, ISP C.
Someone's playing games here. If you are a real person and not just an alternate login name I'd suggest contacting the only other real person involved in this mess to get it straigtened out.
Post by: collared_cherri on August 04, 2005, 05:42:22 PM
ISP = Internet Service provider. You can have numerous ISPs from the one computer. AOL, Comcast, Earthlink, etc. These are the companies who get you hooked up to the internet.
IP address = An identifying number for an internet computer. Each computer hooked up to the internet has a unique number. Kinda like a fingerprint that tells what computer is logged in (it doesn't matter which ISP you use).
So what happens is that Miss A sends a message from her computer using her AOL account. Miss B sends a message from her computer using her Comcast account. Miss C sends a message from her computer using her Earthlink account.
While it appears to the world that Miss A, B and C are all different people (and they very well could be), the important thing is EACH MESSAGE HAS COME FROM THE SAME COMPUTER They share an IP address!
Naturally, if Miss A were to send a message from her AOL account on another computer, this would show a different IP address.
Breaking it down even further, Rhiannon, Barbie, Alaska Fox and Lisa Williams may very well be different people, but they're using the same computer.
You can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time, but never underestimate the power of the geeks who have the ability to dig through the dirt to reveal the crap. Thanks Chev!
cherri
Post by: Carter on August 04, 2005, 06:34:14 PM
Quote:
While it appears to the world that Miss A, B and C are all different people (and they very well could be), the important thing is EACH MESSAGE HAS COME FROM THE SAME COMPUTER They share an IP address!
To be fair that IP address could belong to a DSL or Cable modem... but still, all the computers would have to be connected to that same device.
Post by: Pixeltiger on August 04, 2005, 08:35:55 PM
OK let's be 100% clear on this: Alaska Fox and Rhiannon are NOT the same person. How can I be so sure? Because today I went to see AF in hospital here in Sin city in order to get some kind of conclusive answer to this. I can attest to the photos she posted being genuine.
She is a charming lady and has posted here out of concern for other girls' welfare for which she has been roundly pilloried by some folks.
I have been a poster here for a long time and many people here know me personally. If other folks doubt my veracity, I could care less and will make no attempt to persuade you otherwise. But for those that know me, you know I have no agenda here other than girls' health. I am in no way affiliated with Rhiannon, AF or anyone else, but have been involved with the big bust industry for many years now and know personally many of the models regularly mentioned on the BEA forum.
I will not say anything here in a public forum, but if anyone out there is considering going to Dr Baeke, please send me a PM before you do. Breast augmentation surgery is a serious procedure and one should try and garner as much information as possible before entering into it.
For all of you firing up your flamethrowers, feel free to take your best shot. I am not here seeking respect from other posters. The people who are at the sharp end are the only ones I am concerned about.
Pixeltiger
Post by: sheber on August 04, 2005, 09:47:10 PM
Post by: Suzanne on August 04, 2005, 11:44:24 PM
Post by: Pixeltiger on August 04, 2005, 11:51:23 PM
Quote:I keep rereading my post and I still can find no mention of a malpractice suit. Am I missing something?
No flames. I'm sure that you are more than qualified to determine Dr. B's level of liability in a malpractice suit.
Pixeltiger
Post by: collared_cherri on August 05, 2005, 09:46:11 AM
Quote:
It seems with all this talk of IP addresses we are losing focus here. This thread is about a doctor and whether girls should use him.
OK let's be 100% clear on this: Alaska Fox and Rhiannon are NOT the same person. How can I be so sure? Because today I went to see AF in hospital here in Sin city in order to get some kind of conclusive answer to this. I can attest to the photos she posted being genuine.
Yanno what? It would have been a helluva lot better if IP Address A had simply stated "I visited my friend in hospital today, and this is what she looks like and these are her words....". If you feel that the IP address makes me lose focus on what the real issue is, you're mistaken. What has bothered me about this is that someone is portraying themselves to be someone they're not! Deception!
I'll buy that Rhiannon and AF are two different people. But that doesn't answer a lot of questions that are still unanswered.
How does AF post from the hospital?
Why is she in a hospital in Las Vegas and not where she had her surgery (assuming she was operated on in KS)?
Does she expect Dr B to fly to LV to fix her problem?
Does she expect him to pay for her flight to KS to fix her problem?
What condition were her breasts in before she went to him?
What is her medical history like?
What guarantees was she given?
What advice was she given?
Was the damage as a result of the most recent surgery only, or a failed fixing?
How do we know what words are actually hers and what are IP address A's?
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She is a charming lady and has posted here out of concern for other girls' welfare for which she has been roundly pilloried by some folks.
She may very well be a charming lady. But if she posts any further as IP address A, I'm afraid she won't have any credibility with me.
How do you expect us to get the full story if one isn't presented. She has stated that the amount of surgeries she's had is nobody's business. I'm sure you'll agree that someone's medical history is indeed a very important aspect of this.
If you bring a private matter to a public forum, you have to expect your words to be scrutinized and have to answer all the questions asked. I want to know the whole story, not just the portions of things that will sway me one way or the other.
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I have been a poster here for a long time and many people here know me personally. If other folks doubt my veracity, I could care less and will make no attempt to persuade you otherwise. But for those that know me, you know I have no agenda here other than girls' health. I am in no way affiliated with Rhiannon, AF or anyone else, but have been involved with the big bust industry for many years now and know personally many of the models regularly mentioned on the BEA forum.
Ok, so you could care less whether people like me believe you or not because I don't know you.
Remember, it was IP address A who brought this to our attention. Feeding us bits and pieces of what appears to be a complex situation (at least to me).
For the record, I have no affiliation with Rhiannon, AF, Dr B or Suzanne. I'm only affiliated with myself and my husband who posts here (MasterDragonfly).
I know some have asked why Dr B and Suzanne haven't come to defend themselves. It's because of something called "Doctor/patient confidentiality" which prevents them from doing so. It's not like they can make exceptions when people like us need to know. Hell, even if I asked them in private what their story is, I'd be alarmed if they gave it to me.
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I will not say anything here in a public forum, but if anyone out there is considering going to Dr Baeke, please send me a PM before you do. Breast augmentation surgery is a serious procedure and one should try and garner as much information as possible before entering into it.
You've already made your point here in this public forum. For the record, I am still planning on having Dr B as my surgeon. I'm assuming you have met with him because you wouldn't be giving advice on someone you've never met. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. You wouldn't base your advice on a hospital visit to one patient? You must have spoken with more people. If you can recommend to me a doctor who is experienced with larger implants and has a 100% guarantee, let me know.
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For all of you firing up your flamethrowers, feel free to take your best shot. I am not here seeking respect from other posters. The people who are at the sharp end are the only ones I am concerned about.
Pixeltiger
I intend to be at the sharp end one day. And as I've stated before, I'm not here to simply read through the posts and pick and chose the bits I like about each one to justify my own decision. I have, and will, give credence to all opinions. However, when there's a lot of smoke and daggers used to get a point across, those opinions lose lustre for me. I don't like being lied to.
My own personal experience with Rhiannon has been solely on this board. But what I will tell you is that at the same time (back in May of this year) as she was singing the praises of Dr B and recommending him to anyone who would listen, she had also sent a private message to my husband advising against it. She gave him a number to call to discuss. He did. He got a voicemail message. He left a message but his call was never returned. This wasn't after giving consideration to what her friends (the ones she recommended going to Dr B) had told her about their experiences, this was while she was publicly recommending him. So you see, she lost credibility for me a long time back. Not to mention that other pseudonyms have surfaced under IP address A.
And now, perhaps AF has some valid points, but the way they were presented to me (via IP address A) has tarnished my view. It doesn't mean I don't believe she's scarred and her breasts are in a bad way, I do. But I don't like the way we were duped.
Please understand this is not a flaming. I read your thoughts and took them seriously, this is simply my response to those thoughts.
cherri
Post by: Dick_Woods on August 05, 2005, 12:23:13 PM
Your condemnation was completely irresponsible....you have half of the facts, and without a similar visit to Kansas you had no right to post what you did...
Your visit to the hospital in NO way changed the facts as we know them all it did was add to unsubstantiated allegations....congratulations Pix, you have helped smear the name of a qualified and honorable surgeoun, and until REAL facts are presented to the contrary, I am going to maintain that stance.
Post by: Pixeltiger on August 05, 2005, 12:54:42 PM
Quote:At no stage do I condemn anyone. I merely wanted to put people straight on the fact that AF was a real person. I never set myself up as being a font of knowedge on this matter and, as I said in my post, I recommend people garner as much information as possible before going ahead with any augmentation.
Your condemnation was completely irresponsible....you have half of the facts, and without a similar visit to Kansas you had no right to post what you did...
I have not attempted to smear anyone's reputation. I know of at least 2 girls who are very happy with Dr Baeke's work.
As I have said before, I have no axe to grind here. But it seems that despite my attempts to be even handed, my intentions have been misread. C'est la guerre...
Pixeltiger
Post by: MasterDragonfly on August 05, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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I have not attempted to smear anyone's reputation. I know of at least 2 girls who are very happy with Dr Baeke's work.
Then you're sending mixed messages. As per your previous post:
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I will not say anything here in a public forum, but if anyone out there is considering going to Dr Baeke, please send me a PM before you do.
True, you don't explicitly trash Dr Baeke. But based on the rushing-to-her-defence nature of your post, and the if-you-want-the-REAL-truth quote above, how are you surprised by the inference that you have previously unspoken secrets to share which might lead one to view Dr Baeke in a less savoury light?
Yes, you did throw in this extra bit:
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Breast augmentation surgery is a serious procedure and one should try and garner as much information as possible before entering into it.
On its own, this seems harmless enough. Many of us already know this guiding principle, hence we've been devouring relating information not just here in this forum, but literally through years of scouring the Internet. One might infer that you wish to provide general knowledge/wisdom to women considering a breast augmentation.
The issue I have with this is that such knowledge beneficial to any one woman should be publicized for the benefit of all. After all, that's what the whole point of the Real World Breast Enlargement Options / Information forum is about. The only immediate reason for not wanting to share publically is that the information is of a significantly controversial nature, and as such, isn't harmless at all. Given that you had just finished saying, "... is considering going to Dr Baeke," one might infer that the private comments/controversy relate directly to him.
So, if your intent was not to smear anyone's reputation (because 'smear' is such a strong word), would perhaps the phrase "slow erosion of one's reputation through casual dialogue, one person at a time" be closer to the mark?
Post by: bigguns on August 05, 2005, 07:47:34 PM
Well said sir.
Post by: Tugboatcap on August 05, 2005, 07:50:59 PM
Tugboat"Funny how they don't like devices that are not intrinsically safe there"cap!
Post by: djquik1 on August 05, 2005, 07:51:45 PM
Post by: barbie on August 06, 2005, 01:42:21 AM
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Post by: barbie on August 06, 2005, 01:53:09 AM
Post by: TrapJaw on August 06, 2005, 02:27:27 AM
And if everyone here wants to get into all the fine details and do something productive about it instead of bringing it on an internet message board...
CALL YOUR LAWYERS. They can actually get it settled. The BEA can't.