Breast Expansion Archive Forum
Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: Insightful on September 07, 2012, 12:43:56 AM
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After "lurking" for a bit, I'm inspired by the numerous insightful comments I've read from what seems like multiple nice people, and I've decided to dive in and ask advice for a troubling matter. Any constructive comments would be welcome.
My GF and I have been together for 8 years. At first she wore a 36G or H bra. She exercised regularly (still does) and had no back pain. 2 years ago, pain started. She asked me to gather info about back pain treatments including breast reduction surgery. I gathered (emphasizing non-surgical options and listing surgery only as a last resort) and presented my info. She seemed dismissive about my labors but agreed eventually to let me take her to a custom-bra fitter (last October). The fitter said she should be wearing a 36N bra. My gf said she was considering BR surgery at the suggestion of her doctor. The fitter responded, "I've never said this to any of my customers before, but I've never seen anyone with the amt of breast tissue you have, so I would consider the surgery if I were you." (Thanks a lot, bra-fitter.) She saw a PS a few weeks later who recommended she lose weight and return in several months. Meanwhile, her GP referred her to a physio-therapist whom she saw 3x a week for about a month. She felt better after the sessions but the pain (shoulder, upper and/or lower back, tingling in arm) returned. She also got a shot (once) to relieve pain, but again the pain returned after several days. (She refuses to take "pain-killers," but occasionally uses Absorbine Jr., which helps temporarily.) Some days are good, some bad. I feel terrible when I see her get out of bed and instinctively put her hands behind her back.
I have suggested she try acupuncture and/or a chiropractor and I offered to take her to a custom-bra maker (she agreed to that but changed her mind when I told her the distance we'd have to travel -- custom-bra makers are few & far-between). Instead she saw the PS again. He noted her 30 pound weight loss (she's 5'6" and is now about 175 lbs) and told her to wait until he gets confirmation that her insurance co. will approve the procedure. (It rejected it after her first visit last fall.) Yesterday the doc's secretary called with the news: insurance co. approved the surgery and approval is good for 30 days. And incidentally, although apparently her boobs increased seven cup sizes in about as many years, after her recent weight loss her cup size changed not a bit. (If anything they're a little snug.)
So. After several battles (i.e., arguments about exhausting non-surgical treatment first) over the last 2 years, the war is lost. What's a fella to do? I'm not a complete dolt; I would sanction the surgery ("breast muti-lation" she once called it) if truly there was no other way to relieve her pain. Removing the pain from the equation for a moment, allow me to boast she is a magnificent physical specimen. (She's in her early 50s and looks fantastic, at least a decade younger. I attach a pic to give you an idea but obscured her face. Sorry.) Regrettably my gal is on the conservative side and is a master at hiding her assets. She won't go out without a spandex-like vest covering her bra (and constricting her breasts) underneath her blouse. Occasionally tho she'll put on a clingy dress and a bit of cleavage at last is visible and . . . wow.
But the pain IS part of the equation and she seems to be convinced BR surgery will be her salvation, downside be damned. Scars and possible loss of sensation and even nipple necrosis? Oh well. Here's part of a post she made recently at women's health site. "For me, breast reduction is not just about the pain, it is about relieving the stress on my shoulders and being able to exercise with less difficulty." (Her post brought a flood of encouraging BR veterans cheering "you go, girl," "best thing I've ever done," "it's wonderful to find clothes that fit" and "tell your bf you'll feel sexier after the surgery," etc.) I've bought Enell bras for her but she still has to wear another bra over it when exercising (including back-strengthening exercises she's done for years). When I suggested getting a custom-made sports bra from Enell, she says no, the problem is the design -- "it's just not supportive enough" -- end of discussion. She insists her breasts have become heavier and droopier in recent years and the increased weight is just too much for her anymore, and no bra will give her enough support.
Help. Is it indeed hopeless? I wish she could talk to someone with her figure, in her age group, who's not in pain. Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated. I thank you. (The clock is ticking.)
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Wow, she looks amazing! I feel for ya brother. An ex of mine spoke of BR surgery a few times and it just tore me up inside. I felt helpless, like I would take all the pain and give it to myself if she would only reconsider. Her breasts were considerably smaller than your girlfriend but gave her pain as well. I felt torn, between my love of her breasts and her being uncomfortable all the time. It really felt like a weight on my shoulders when she mentioned her pain. In the end, we split up and to my knowledge she hasn't had any surgery done. Like I said I feel you pain, but I don't have any words of wisdom for you, sadly. It really was something I was terrified of. It's one thing if she just feels like she gets too much attention or has trouble finding clothes. The pain thing makes it more real, and I felt a little selfish praying she didn't do it. Good luck to you man, I hope you find the answer! She looks astounding!
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Is breast reduction inevitable?
The short answer is yes.
However it all depends on the woman. There are so many factors that go into this sort of decision that it boggles the mind. There are entire doctoral thesis works on this subject. In the end the best way to approach it, when it is not your body, is to realize that there is a size at which any woman will move to get reductive surgery.
What that tipping point is differs from woman to woman - but there is one for everybody.
A breast reduction has been suggested spontaneously to my wife from several people, a number of her doctors and even a few random people over the years. Luckily she has no physical discomfort and a healthy attitude. Possibly it was being large early in life that gave her the motivation to come to terms with her chest, or she was smart to find a good bra because she had to being outside the common sizes so quickly, or she was surrounded by friends that either did not make them into a issue for her or made her feel overly self-conscious, or whatever...
For all that I have read, talked with doctors, know about friends who went under the knife, it does come down to thirds.
1/3 of women are satisfied with the decision - it fixed the pain, allowed them to fit into that special dress or swim suite, made them feel good in some way or simply made life better.
1/3 of women have a few issues or exceptions - they took too much out, have some minor complications, are left with some scars, could / would have done something else but still had it done and are reconciled with it.
1/3 of women hate or regret the decision - they botch the work, they have medical complications, their lives did not get better, still have pain which had nothing to do with their breasts, or even the wickedly ironic "they grew back".
I say ironic as I know of a friend who went from a 38E down to a 36B and in about 3 years was back up to a 36F - she said many years later that she was too young and too quick to have the work done and now she was "big and bold" but looked like the Frankenstein monster.
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My 2 cents. Chelsea's breasts weigh at least 50lbs but she has no back pain. She swears by Pilates. Seems like it might be worth a try.
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She has pain that can cause tingling in her arm? That's usually a sign that a nerve is pinched and is radiating the pain down it's travel path. I recommend finding a good neurologist to source out the answer for the tingling, and I'm not talkin' brain surgery here, neurologists' deal with the nerves. Which is where a lot of pain can come from, or be traced back to. I would find it hard to believe her tingling arm(s) could be from having large breasts... I'm not a doctor but I've got friends who are and this sounds like something I've heard them discuss about other paitients who don't have boobs, but have a radiating pain that can cause numbness in extremeties. It's almost always found to be a pinched nerve.
That's my 4 cents (adjusted for inflation) Later--->Triumph
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Triumph is right. I'm studying Osteopathy and we're always looking for heavy tension on the back and sides of the neck when a patient comes to us with a numb or tingling arm. Normally it has something to do with rock hard tense muscles on the neck or even small vertebrae rotations pinching or trapping the nerve. Those problems normally go along with intermittent lower back pains, just as you said.
Sadly it seems your gf's pretty much convinced on the fact that the BR will eliminate her pain for good, but I'd suggest a visit to a good osteopathist before. Not only to avoid the surgery, but also to make sure it's not something else. If she has spine problems or heavy contractures on several muscles, the surgery won't ease the pain and she'll go through a long and tough procedure for nothing.
It's very important to look for an osteopathist. Physio-therapists care about muscles, chiropractors only try to fix the spine. Osteopathists consider the whole picture and fix the whole system.
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I'd also recommend osteopathic treatment. And acupuncture, although finding the right acupuncturist might not be trivial.
Your gf appears to have amazing trapezius muscles. Kudos to her for that. It does look like her bra is digging in somewhat, which is no doubt contributing to the issue. Any chance of adding pads which can distribute the force over a wider area?
About 10 years ago I used to chat online with one gal who she claimed had been a 32G in high school, the classical "tits on a stick". She complained of back pain, and eventually (presumably after HS) got a reduction. She wanted to be reduced to a C-cup, but the surgeon reduced her to a B-cup. Years later (when I was chatting with her), I asked her whether she still suffered from back pain. She said she did. I had met her (and others from the chat room) in person more than once, and this particular gal had a habitual slouch. My guess is that she developed the slouch back in HS when she wanted to maintain more of an 'invisible' profile, and hadn't broken free of that habit.
You need to show your gf before/after reduction pics. In my opinion, lift pics (without implants) and reduction pics, the breasts always look 'boxy' afterwards. Check out the Dors Feline thread on this site for a good example of what your gf could be getting herself into.
My wife was a 38D/DD when we first started chatting online. She had dreams of getting a lift, so I showed her before/after pics. She was horrified. She agreed that the lift pics which included implants looked quite a bit better. After we married, she did get 1000cc implants (with a lift - there was no getting around that due to the ptosis) and she ended up a 36G/H.
My wife has largely been pain-free in her back. The only back pain worth mentioning has been from doing a lot of work or time on the mat. One time she was pretty tired, and merely turned to get out of the car, when her back went out. Took her to the same acupuncturist we'd been to many times before; she was twisted and hobbling on her way in, and was vertical and walking comfortably on her way out after treatment. Another time (still related to the above) she turned the wrong way in the shower and aggravated it. This is something which worked itself out. I think this is when she decided to buy the TENS unit from Amazon (which was dirt cheap btw, but it packs a helluva punch - a combo TENS and something else... she thinks it was called EMT).
Okay, so add TENS unit to the list of things your gf could try. :)
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Go see a neurologist. This sounds like it could perhaps be something a bit more than breasts. It sounds like with every doctor she's been to, the overwhelming preconceived notion of the cause of her pain has been her breasts, and, as such, no one has even explored other possible causes. I would explore other avenues as to the cause of her pain. For example, what does she do for work? Does she use her arms and shoulders and back when she works? At all? One of my friends has back pain and, ironically enough, it's simply from walking her dog because her dog pulls hard on the leash and strains her back in just the right area to irritate it. The dog isn't even big, either.
I would get her health checked out fully and I would have her monitor what type of strenuous activity she does and when exactly the pain occurs. Also, at 5'6" and 175, she's still classified as overweight according to the BMI. I know she's lost 30 pounds and she still has the same breast size, but everyone loses weight differently. Some people don't lose a cup size when they lose weight, while others lose most of their breasts. Of importance, they sometimes start to lose breast size at different times during the weight loss. I would have her try to get down to a 23-25 BMI (this is considered the healthy level for women, not the low end of the "healthy" BMI range 19-22). The breasts might just be the last to go if she tries to lose 15 more pounds.
But get her health checked out fully. If there's still nothing wrong with her, you can try things like pilates and such. If nothing still works, I think she needs to deeply consider the benefits of a breast reduction surgery against the potential risks and disadvantages of a surgery.
I hope things go well for you. Either way, you are very lucky to have a woman who endured the pain for two years while thinking/knowing the cause of the pain was her breasts. That's true willpower right there.
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Thanks, all of you, for the insightful and sympathetic comments. I do appreciate your taking the time to respond.
Here’s an update (of sorts). Since we plan to attend a wedding out of the country in mid-December, I suggested she postpone the breast reduction surgery (scheduled for October 3rd). She wouldn’t hear of it. Why? She’s “psyched herself up” now and just wants to “get it over with.” Instead she asked me if I wanted to accompany her to the doc’s for a final pre-surgery briefing (just a few days before, so I wouldn’t “have time to be too upset”). I was somewhat surprised by this but pleased. (She’s never wanted me to accompany her to a doctor before.) Of course I said yes and began to compile a list of questions, not just about the surgery but also non-surgical alternatives (thanks in part to suggestions made here). I felt (and still feel) that I could ask questions and get my point across in the presence of a doc in a way that I could not in her company alone. (Why? She has pronounced me “breast preoccupied.” I think she wanted to say, “breast obsessed” but checked herself. And accordingly, does not think I can be objective about matters concerning her magnificent mammaries.)
Anyway she checked with the insurance company and was told she can postpone the surgery for no more than six months before her approval would expire. She then cancelled the surgery (as well as our appointment, explaining it was “no longer necessary” to see the doc so soon.
So now I hope to be able to have that appointment with the PS sometime in October or November, so I can present my concerns and non-surgical alternatives (i.e., your alternatives) and hopefully he’ll sanction some of them, which I believe is the only way my gf would consider them. Example, I suggest seeing an osteopath and/or a neurologist. I can just hear her response. “Nope. No need. At this point, I’m just going to do what my doctor says, plus my insurance won't cover a treatment my doctor hasn't recommended.” (And of course the expense is a valid point.)
At bit more about the psychological aspects. I mentioned my gal is a master minimizer and conservative by nature, She wears vests, spandex-type garments over her bra, etc. to make her boobs look smaller. How I wish I could get her to be more comfortable with her body! We took a short trip recently and I told her I wanted to take pictures if we went swimming. (We did not have time as it turned out, but we did discuss.) “No way,” she said. “Why not?” I asked. (I love to take pictures of her.) “Because you already have pictures of me in a bathing suit [yes, taken 6 years ago!] and besides, I don’t like the way I look in one.” (Sad. And mystifying. I told you she lost 30 pounds recently, and numerous workmates as well as friends and relatives who’ve seen pics on FB told her how great she looks.)
And what if her "girls" are still growing? She was a G or H cup when we met (presuming she was wearing the right bra – more or less – at the time) and now she’s an N cup. If she has the surgery, mightn’t she need it again years from now? Perhaps we should add an endocrinologist to the list to check hormone levels? Most distressing.
As a way of saying "thanks again," I attach another (face-obscured) photo.
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Sad news.
I'm trying to think of a witty old saying about doctors, like, if you go to a podiatrist, you may discover that everything looks like a bunion. I agree with all the posts above. There is rarely a connection between large breasts and back pain, but too many women think there is and tell a doctor what they want to do, rather than learning about the possibilities. Back pain is complex and has many causes, as suggested above. It seems quite likely that if she has the surgery, she will still have the pain.
EDIT: Just a couple of thoughts: When I was practicing law many of my clients were women who worked in various areas of the sex industry. The topic of breast augmentation came up often, and I always recommended that they talk it over with a counselor or psychologist first, mostly to consider how it might change their lives versus what their real expectations were, and I think the same is good advice for anyone considering a reduction. For example, does she think it will make her look tall and thin? It is much more likely to make her look pear-shaped a/k/a "bottom heavy".
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Insightful, remember to do some online searches of before/after breast reduction pics. If she asks you what the hell you're doing, tell her you're trying to educate yourself so that you can brace yourself for the inevitable. I'm sure if you dig really hard, you'll find some after pics which look somewhat reasonable. But you can expect a lot of them to look quite unnatural, even having a 'boxy' shape to them. The scars, those can usually be worked through with one treatment or another (there are options), but a formerly round breast which after surgery (and long after the healing period) looks to have a 'flat' bottom or just looking quirky, for want of a better word.
I should add that I have an acquaintance who is a retired doctor who had an interesting comment. He indicated that 90% of all back pain, regardless of treatment, will eventually resolve itself. The remaining 10% will never be resolved, regardless of treatment.
Btw, digging the hairstyle. :)
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Just checking in with an update after a (somewhat) long interlude. The out-of-the-country wedding has come and gone (and it was a great trip; I attach a pic) and my gf has just gotten the results of her annual mammagram (she's fine) so she sees the plastic surgeon this coming Tuesday; the 6-month insurance approval window runs out in March. I'm coming along, but at this late date I do not know what I can say or do to get her to reconsider. I do not expect too much sympathy from the PS (it's like asking a mechanic if you need a brake job, or a barber if you need a haircut) but I take comfort from the fact that he has done reconstructive surgery on women who've had breast cancer, so I believe he's something of an "artist." My gal's areola are quite large, symmetrical and well, in a word, magnificent, and she has Montgomery's Glands in abundance. (Curiously, her nipples are rather small, considering, and ultra sensitive to the touch. In fact, it's painful if I "go to town" too much on them. And after orgasm, the nipples are absolutely off-limits.) So the prospect of losing those magnificent mammaries, strictly from an aesthetic perspective, is quite sad (not to mention the possibility of nipple necropsy).
I will speak my peace -- I shall first indicate I do not wish my beloved to be in pain, but I want to be sure there's no alternative to surgery we've overlooked. I'll present my laundry list of alternatives (with thanks again to those of you who've made suggestions) --
Pilates
Yoga
Neurologist -- to look for a pinched nerve
Osteopathist -- to look at the whole picture, not only to avoid the surgery but to make sure it’s not something else
Acupuncturist -- although at the recommendation of a co-worker she had several (about 4) sessions in November-December, and it did not so much relieve her pain as make her very relaxed and put her to **82** . . .
Massage therapy
Weight loss -- altho she's lost 35 pounds with nary a change in her N cup size, her breasts just might reduce if she loses 10-15 more lbs to reach 23-25 BMI (sometimes breasts are “the last to go”)
We do have one last fling with my gal's "girls" -- a long weekend in Arizona in mid-Feb. With any luck the weather will be nice and we'll be able to use the hotel's heated pool and my better half will consent to some last bathing suit shots. (Sigh.)
Well, that's the whole sad tale. Again I shall try to keep in mind the comforting words posted here that my better half is indeed quite a special person to endure pain for 2 years before resorting to surgery. And she's made it clear she is in pain -- pain she says she's "used to" so she doesn't complain, except when I'll ask, "How's your back, shoulders today? And she'll tell me, "Not great," or "It doesn't hurt so much if you don't remind me." (Sigh.)
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Sorry to hear this.
Dumb question, but have you asked her outright what "next steps" she'll consider if after the reduction she continues to have back pain? I'm not talking a week after her surgery, as it'll take her body a bit to adjust. But say 6 months after the fact...?
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Appreciate the question, MD (and I wouldn't call it dumb) -- I will try to ask soon (maybe tomorrow, when we see the plastic surgeon together). I recall we touched upon the topic months ago when discussing locations of back pain. I think I asked "well, what if you still have lower back pain after the surgery?" And she replied something like, "well, at least I won't have the upper back pain." (She has had pain in both areas at times.)
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Insightful, check your PMs.
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We saw the plastic surgeon together and he explained what he intends to do (and drew pictures), something apparently he's done before for my gf but when I pulled out my list of alternatives he got a bit defensive and got my gf to agree he's not coerced her in any way, it's her decision, etc. He also mentioned his wife suffered from pain for 10 years (they met in high school) and she had BR surgery (altho he added of course he didn't do it) and she's very happy. When talking about the size of my gf's breasts, he used the word "disproportional" twice; I tried to disagree, but it didn't get me anywhere.
So the surgery date is set for the first week in March (the 6-month insurance window expires then) and there's not a thing I can do about it. She says my inability to accept what she wishes to do with her body is "very worrying" and perhaps I should seek counseling to deal with it. Gf says she can go for other alternative treatments and get respite temporarily but the fact is the weight of her breasts are a big (if not the only) factor in the fact that she has pain. And if the surgery does not relieve her pain? (I asked.) She replied she thinks it will -- at least in her shoulders and upper back -- and then she'll seek additional treatment for any remaining (e.g. lower back) pain.
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I suppose all that I can add here is:
a) I hope the surgical procedure goes smoothly and without complications
b) I hope after the healing is done that the results are quite aesthetically positive
c) I hope she gets the pain reduction she believes she will get
d) I hope your relationship with her after all this will still be smooth sailing
Btw, has she mentioned a target size at any point? Will she settle for a full D, or is she aggressively seeking something closer to the B end of the spectrum?
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Insightful,
Just wanted to say that I really feel for you - you are really between the rock and the hard place.
I hope that, as things settle to where they are going, that the end-all is not too painful for both of you.
-D'Artagnian
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Insightful,
Just wanted to say that I really feel for you - you are really between the rock and the hard place.
I hope that, as things settle to where they are going, that the end-all is not too painful for both of you.
-D'Artagnian
Hear, hear.
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Thanks, people. I am grateful for your heartfelt comments.
Just returned from the AZ trip; it was fun but there were some rough patches. Remember my faint hope of a last glimpse of my gf in a bathing suit pre-BR surgery? (Not to mention a last photo op.) Well, My gf "forgot" her bathing suit (but remembered to bring her gym clothes to exercise at the resort we stayed at) and a fellow guest was -- wouldn't you know it -- an orthopedic surgeon from Germany. I talked privately with him about her and he believed surgery was not the only option to relieve back pain, and in fact he operates only as a last resort, perferring to teach patients how to exercise, strengthen their back muscles and improve their posture. He said he'd be happy to discuss options with her. Another gal there found out about his profession and peppered him wth questions about her back (she has a herniated disk and fused vertebre). He was more than happy to "talk shop" (although his wife wasn't too thrilled after a while) but guess who refused to discuss the subject? Yep. I asked my partner, "How's your back?" "It's fine." "Well, wouldn't you like to discuss the pain you have sometimes?" "No. Can't we just discuss social things -- we're on vacation, you know!" Rationalizing here, the doc's English was fairly difficult to understand, but still . . .
Sigh. Well, here's a last, lingering shot I took in the Red Rock Mountains of Sedona. Alas, my gf's magnificent mountains will soon be but a shadow of their former glory . . .
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Thanks for the update.
Sounds like she knows what she wants and is a very headstrong person - good traits in a person, really, although in this case it will result in some lost hooter-age. I leave you with some famous quotes:
Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him.
Groucho Marx
Women don't want to hear what you think. Women want to hear what they think - in a deeper voice.
Bill Cosby
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I don't normally de-lurk, but I had to weigh in on this matter.
Insightful, I have read through this entire thread and one thing has become very clear. Let me be blunt, your Girlfriend is a fool. She has approached this entire problem from the standpoint that her breasts are too big, instead of approaching it from the correct standpoint. That being, she has a back issue.
She is taking the majority, if not the entirety, of the medical advice about a back problem from her GP, and a Plastic Surgeon. A Plastic Surgeon?
What the hell does a GP or a Plastic Surgeon know about back issues? That's like getting plumbing advice from an Electrician. Yes they are both in the Construction Industry, but that is where the similarities end.
She should have seen a Chiropractor, Neurologist, and an Orthopedic Surgeon before she ever set foot in a Plastic Surgeon's office. Even if, in the end, the recommendation was to have a reduction, at least those specialists would also see to her follow up care and treatment, because I can guarantee, that just a BR will not immediately eliminate this issue. Not with the horrible posture she shows in every one of those pictures.
The fact that she was **86** to even listen to free advice from an Orthopedic Surgeon just shows that this whole issue is less about back pain to her, and more about reducing the size of her breasts. It sounds to me like she latched on to a recent back issue as a way to get, for free, a procedure she may have secretly wanted for a while.
I don’t think she is being very honest with you about her true motivations, and I don’t think she is being very honest with herself. She is being very irresponsible with her own health.
Back pain is a serious issue, it can lead to nerve damage if not properly treated, and to just go blindly into a treatment that has been fluked upon by some doctor that is not a specialist in the field pertaining to the actual issue, is just asking for things to get worse.
Again, this whole issue is not about the size of her breasts. It’s about the pain in her back. The only person who has linked the two is a Doctor that is only qualified to reduce her breasts. Not qualified to diagnose back issues. And yet she gets upset with you for questioning this dynamic?
I hope she never breaks her arm at any time. She may very well go to a Dentist for treatment and wind up getting a root canal.
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Super de-lurk.
Insightful, get your GF to a Lady Cameo bra fitter for a "Style 708 Lace bra." As everyone will tell you, my wife of 24+ yrs is on par w/ your gf... a 36LL now. I've been around here since the beginning. She had exactly the same problems until we went to the Lady Cameo bra. Your GF's pain is exactly what she gets when the weight of her breasts is carried by the bra straps instead of the band. Even my wife's old Lady Cameo bras will give her pain like that when they've stretched out.
The bra is the problem, not her breasts. My wife goes braless as much as possible & when she does, she is fine. I've learned to massage those muscles in her neck, upper back, shoulders & upper chest & that makes a HUGE difference in the nerve pinch in her shoulders & arms.
She used to wear Goddess bras & her fingers would often go completely numb. We tried Pennyrich, Jeunique, & others before the Lady Cameo. Yes, they are expensive... probably $120+ each. Ladies with huge boobs tend to wears bras all the time thinking it'll help the problem when in fact it does just the opposite. Surgeons are all to happy to line their wallet at her expense. We've heard hundreds of times that my wife should get a reduction. But we've talked to way to many women who did & then still had back & shoulder issues (b/c they were still wearing an ill fitted bra even after surgery.) Yes, surgery *MAY* fix the problem, but it may not. Surgery should be a last resort. Give the Lady Cameos a try before she goes under the knife.
The Lady Cameo 708 is what a lot of people term a "granny bra", but it is far & away the best supporting bra on the market. You cannot walk into a store & buy one. You have to see a fitter & then try several before the proper size is attained. The initial measuring/fitting simply gets her into the ballpark. Last time my wife changed sizes it took 5 band/cup combos before she settled on the 36LL. They are stiff & pointy to begin with, but with washing get comfortable & less pointy. She needs to listen to the fitter as far as care & fitting. I help my wife put her bra on most days. It is the only way to get them on properly to get the wrinkles out & get her breasts into it properly, but what a difference it makes.
PM me & I'll see if I can help you find a fitter in your area. Ours moved to Arizona.
Super re-lurking.
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Thanks for your de-lurk, CyberPlainsDrifter, and glad to hear that your darling wife's boobage is still intact :)
Insightful, in my opinion, thesarge is correct. To a carpenter with a hammer, every problem is a nail. That's what's happening here, with your girlfriend getting advice on how to alleviate her back pain from a plastic surgeon. It may be the last-ditchiest of last-ditch efforts but I sincerely hope that your gf will at least try to get a proper bra fitting and bra from Lady Cameo.
I feel your pain, brother, I sincerely feel your pain.
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We may be too late. Once these things get scheduled people feel like they have to go through with it even if they have reservations or change their minds. The problem with a reduction is it cannot be undone. Tattoos can be lasered off. Piercings left to heal. Even vasectomies can be reversed. Women who regret doing it rarely admit it & most never solve the pain they set out to fix. You have to really question them to get the real answers, but that is often the case.
In almost every case, the reduction is for vain, trivial reasons... so they can wear the "cute" clothes that are the style of the day.
And then there is never a mention of the botched reductions.
What gets me is the pressure to do it NOW b/c the insurance company set a deadline. Plastic surgeons love this because it doesn't give the patient time to back out & change their mind. Ever notice how pushy they are to get them in & get it done? You don't see that on other elective surgeries.
[steps off the giant soap box]
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Again, thank you all who've posted recently, for your heartfelt and sympathetic comments. (The Marx and Cosby quotes were brilliant and made me chuckle -- something I haven't done in a while regarding this blasted affair.)
Thesarge correctly asserts my gf has put too much stock in what the PS says. In fact, even on the subjects of size and looking at before/after pics, she refuses to look or discuss, saying she trusts the doc. (I am sure he is very good at what he does, but still . . .)
To try to make some sense of it all, it might be helpful to review my gf's progression to her current state, on the eve of her BR surgery scheduled for next week.
I do think there is a psychological component in play here (altho she says I'm the one with problems because of my inability to accept what she wants to do with her body; she says she thinks I think she's an idiot. Not true, but she doesn't quite believe me, no matter how much I say it's not true). She is indeed quite "headstrong." Why refuse to discuss matters with the orthopedic surgeon we met in AZ recently? Why say "maybe I would" when I asked her if she'd still want a breast reduction if she could eliminate her back and shoulder pain without surgery? However I do not think she's anxious to get "clothes that fit." She's never had a problem mixing and matching from different racks at clothing stores and of course she has to pay more for bras but I do not think that's a bother. (In fact in the summer I bought the last half-dozen she's wearing -- a small assortment of "Goddess" underwire and wire free bras in size 36N, and Elomi EL8030 "Caitlyn Side Support Underwire Bra" in size 36K which I was told is UK size equivalent to 36N.) She said recently she "does not like the way she looks" in a bathing suit, which is sorrowful because I think she looks fantastic. (How I wish I could've seen her wear one since she lost 35 pounds this past year.) And as CyberPlainsDrifter argues, perhaps the elusive right bra would be a big help -- if only there was a Lady Cameo fitter near where we live on the East Coast (altho at this late stage the chances of my getting my gal to go for a fitting are slim).
She NEVER spoke to me about teasing, tormenting, etc. that most girls w/her assets get growing up (although she was always top-heavy, she told me she really grew after her two pregnancies). When I asked her about taunts recently, she said there was a bit of that but she never let it bother her. (There's little in fact that "bothers" her. Not even her **112**.) She told me she did have a classmate who had a BR (probably soon after college) but it was something my gf says she never considered for herself because she did not have pain (or more recently she reflects perhaps she did have discomfort but she learned to "accept it" because she never figured to change her body; indeed I think she once mentioned near the beginning of our relationship, "You don't want to mess with what the Good Lord gave you.")
She's seen the same gynecologist annually for the past 12 years and always spoke highly of him. When we discussed her back pain when she really started to be bothered 2 years ago last October, she told me he had asked her from time to time (maybe at every annual check-up; I'm not sure), "Do you have back pain? Or do the weight of your breasts cause you pain?" Her answer -- until about 2 years ago -- was always no or not really. At about that time she consulted a gastroenterologist. She too said something like, "I'm surprised you don't have back pain considering the size of your breasts." And she saw an internal medicine specialist her gyno recommended, who also asked her about back pain and breast size. In one of our many discussions on the subject of surgery (probably when she told me, "You know, I think I am going to do this") my gf said something to the effect that, "with so many people asking me about it, and after I began to really feel pain, I began to really think abut the connection."
So I believe her gyno (or perhaps her internist) referred her initially to a physiatrist (a board certified physical medicine and rehabilitation physician specializing in interventional spine and sports medicine). He examined and prescribed back exercises (administered by a physio-therapist whom she saw 2-3x week for six weeks) and twice gave her fluoroscopic epidural steroid injections to alleviate pain (once after she lifted heavy luggage!). When I asked her why she discontinued the physical therapy she said her prescription was only for six weeks (i.e., insurance was paying for most of it) and she could do the exercises herself, which she said were not helping all that much anyway; she said she felt relief only temporarily. Recall she's a dedicated exerciser (wearing 2 bras -- an Enell size 5 plus one other older, stretched bra) -- 3x week in the gym plus zumba once or twice weekly.
Not sure who made the PS referral -- I guess either the gyno, internist or physiatrist. Also not sure if she was pursuing these methods (including the visit to the Jeunique bra-fitter in Oct. 2011, which was such a fiasco) to try to get real non-surgical relief or was just going through the motions to get insurance company approval for the surgery. Soon after her first PS visit over a year ago, the ins. co turned her request for approval down; the PS told her to lose weight (and possibly embark on the regimin I've indicated above), and to return in several months. She did, was told the insurance was now approved and good for six months, and you all know the rest. She also saw an acupuncturist several times (about 3-4) during this past summer because a co-worker raved about one (I suggested an acupuncturist and she **108**-pooed it); my gf says he did not so much relieve pain as relax her and put her to **82** . . .
Oh -- she has not mentioned a target size -- as I said she believes the PS will do right by her and leave her "proportional." Frustrating. So there you have it. I probably wrote too much, but I am in a despondent place . . . Thanks for listening.
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she says she thinks I think she's an idiot. Not true, but she doesn't quite believe me,
I wonder why?
Look, I'm going to be brutally frank here. I mean no disrespect to your girl friend, but people being so ignorant and stubborn when it comes to matters of their own health, angers me to no end.
I have had people in my life who have had back issues. Gone to the wrong Doctors, been given useless advice and treatment by them. Then when they get to the right Doctors they are told that they now have permanent nerve damage because they waited so long before getting proper treatment.
One of those wrong Doctors that gave useless advice was a Plastic Surgeon.
Has she even had an MRI done? How does she know she doesn’t have a herniated disc, which a reduction would not fix at all?
As to your statement I quoted. Admit it. You think she is being an idiot. You may not say it to her, but everything you have written in this thread indicates you believe she is acting irrationally, and foolishly.
Now, be honest. Do you think she is being an idiot because she is getting a reduction, or because she is not getting a proper diagnosis for her back issue? If the answer is the reduction then I will stop right here, because then she should be mad at you.
If the answer is the lack of a proper diagnosis, then you need to be honest with her, and tell her. It is tough love.
When she asks that question again ask her some questions.
“Have you seen a Chiropractor, a Neurologist, and an Orthopedic Surgeon?”
“No?”
“Then yes I think that you are being an idiot, because only an idiot would leave the diagnosis and treatment of a chronic back issue solely to a Plastic surgeon, and not a specialist like the other three.”
Tell her she owes it to herself to get the best medical advice and treatment options available, and that it can only come from the Doctors that specialize in back issues, like the ones above. And if they determine that a BR is the best course of action then you will fully support her. But they may tell her that a BR would not help, or that a BR is needed in conjunction with some other treatment, which a Plastic Surgeon wouldn’t know about.
Ask her what her primary goal and concern is, honestly. Is it treating her back issue, or is it getting a breast reduction? If it is the former, then she is going about it all wrong. If it is the latter, then she should stop using her back as an excuse with you and just be honest.
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I believe Sarge is absolutely correct. If she hasn't already consulted with back experts, she's completely shooting in the dark. She may lose her beautiful boobs, have to go through recovery & keep the back pain, too.
Not smart.
If an orthopedic surgeon has told her the boobs are the problem, well then...
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Points well taken, gentlemen.
I predict the conversation with my gf will go something like,
"Don't you think you should consult with an orthopedic surgeon? And by the way, why did you not talk with the surgeon we saw in AZ? He would've been happy to discuss your situation with you."
"Well, my GP referred me to a physiatrist, who treated me and as you will recall gave me spinal injections for pain (twice). I think it's his qualified opinion that there is a relationship between my pain and the weight of my breasts. If he thought it was necessary, he would have referred me to an orthopedic surgeon . . . as far as the doctor from Germany and his wife, I did not want to discuss my private, personal business with a stranger I just met, in a social setting, when I have professionals I trust whom I have already consulted."
I think she'll hang her hat on the physiatrist.
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So she's going off the word of just one person. Before you get anyone cutting into your body, it behooves you to get more than just one opinion.
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So she's going off the word of just one person. Before you get anyone cutting into your body, it behooves you to get more than just one opinion.
It seems her mind is made up and nothing will change it. Not a good way to proceed in a hazardous optional procedure ( all operations are hazardous ) with life altering concequences. It seems reckless to me. My $0.02. :(
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Points well taken, gentlemen.
I predict the conversation with my gf will go something like,
"Don't you think you should consult with an orthopedic surgeon? And by the way, why did you not talk with the surgeon we saw in AZ? He would've been happy to discuss your situation with you."
"Well, my GP referred me to a physiatrist, who treated me and as you will recall gave me spinal injections for pain (twice). I think it's his qualified opinion that there is a relationship between my pain and the weight of my breasts. If he thought it was necessary, he would have referred me to an orthopedic surgeon . . . as far as the doctor from Germany and his wife, I did not want to discuss my private, personal business with a stranger I just met, in a social setting, when I have professionals I trust whom I have already consulted."
I think she'll hang her hat on the physiatrist.
Then this just shows her ignorance of medical matters. GPs know nothing of back issues, nor do they even know what specialist to send you to for them. This is pretty common knowledge to anyone who has ever had a back issue. The person I knew with back issues had it so bad they actually developed dropped foot, which is paralysis of the foot. Thier GP sent them to a living with pain specialist. Which is exactly what a physiatrist is. They are not qualified to diagnos the casue of a back issue, or a treatment for curing it. Their specialty is to devise a treatment to minimize the daily pain of a chronic condition that has already been diagnosed as untreatable.
Look it up. Does this sound like her GP sent her to the proper specialist for an initial diagnosis for a back issue?
After my friend screwed around with the physiatrist's useless advice for a year, they finally saw a neurologist. After they had back surgery, they were left with perminent numbness in their foot, due to nerve damage. The neurologist told them that if they had gotten the surgery earlier this could have been avoided.
Did she even research what a physiatrist specialized in, and what they tend to treat and how? Did she do any research at all to make sure her GP was using the proper diagnostic options? Did she bother to make any effort at all to take responsibility for her own health and actively engage in her treatment? Or was she just willing to let her unqualified GP tell her what to do and blindly do what she is told without any effort to educate herself on her own condition and options?
Sounds like the latter. And if she is **86** to listen to reason, or any common sense, then she deserves what ever lack of success and further complications befall her. I'm sorry, I just can't talk about this anymore, it angers me to no end.
This issue trancsends the focus of this forum. This is not about stopping a breast reduction.
This is about a person who lives in a country with access to the best medical treatment options in the wolrd, and all it takes is a little research and engagement in the process on the part of the patient. Yet here is someone who not only willfully refuses to do so, but also willfully refuses to listen to any advice to do so, and thus is most likely to not get the proper treatment options for her condition, not solving her problem.
Yet there are people in places around the world, with medical issues who have done all the research, know exactly what Doctors and treatment options they need, yet have access to none of them, leaving them to suffer.
She even lucked into free advice from exactly one of the specialists she should have seen in the first place, and she refused that.
I'm sorry, I am at the point where I have no sympathy for her anymore.
I do feel sorry for you to have to watch the equivalent of someone you love purposfully banging their head into a brick wall over and over again, without listening to reason.
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a hazardous optional procedure ( all operations are hazardous )
Indeed. Hey Insightful - does she put much stock into pop culture? Because Kanye West's mother, Donda West, died in 2007 during a breast reduction procedure (they were trying to do a tummy tuck the same day which definitely complicated things).
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Curious to know how the surgery worked out. (I think we're past the surgery date already...?)
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My fellow admirers, I write after a long interlude, and rereading your contributions, smile at the memory of your compassion, thoughtfulness and good advice. Please forgive my tardy reply. The vicissitudes of life and my reluctance to revisit this sad episode in detail contributed to my hibernation for a while.
Let us return now to where we left off.
I did learn that my girlfriend’s attempts to cover her ample breasts were not so much because she was ashamed or embarrassed by them but reflected her rather conservative upbringing. Not so unusual story -- country girl raised on a farm, devoted churchgoing mother and older sisters. You’ll recall my unsuccessful efforts to get her to agree to one last photo shoot in a bathing suit. I mentioned my dismay at her remark, “I don’t like the way I look in a bathing suit.” I (reasonably) interpreted that to mean, “I don’t like how my big boobs look in a bathing suit, but she insisted no, it’s her conservative background and accordingly she’s uncomfortable with so much flesh showing, regardless of the size of her boobs.
So as I mentioned previously we had a wonderful overseas trip in December and then a short trip to AZ in February, which turned out to be her “last hurrah” (so to speak) as a 36N-sized bra wearer. (Actually her 36N bras were rather snug, so she probably needed an “O” cup, but as you know N is the end of the alphabet -- so far -- for non-custom made bras.)
Ultimately my gf was **86** to postpone the surgery despite my oft-stated belief that she had not exhausted non-surgical options and my fear of complications and the risks involved. There was a brief moment of hope during a candid conversation we had over dinner three nights before the scheduled surgery; I ran down the list of experts she had seen and not seen. She asked about the differences between a physiatrist and orthopedist and others and conceded that maybe there were more experts she could see, but she truly believed the plastic surgeon that told her the reduction in breast weight would relieve her pain. And what if he was wrong, I asked? Well, she said she’d try other options then!
The day before the surgery she asked me to take “before” pictures of her (to my surprise, considering the aforementioned “conservative" outlook) and I took some again in the hospital on the day of the surgery, along with the surgeon. (Believe me she looked magnificent, as fine as any model we worship here.) The surgery lasted about 3 hours and “went well,” the doc told me afterward while she was in recovery, and reassured me “they’re still big, as you like them.” He told me he removed about 1200 cc’s (that’s 2.5 pounds) from each breast.
In the days and weeks that followed I was chief pain medication dispenser, drainage changer (a drain dangled from the bottom of each breast and I had to place a plastic cup, measure and drain fluids twice a day for about ten days), cook and overall nursemaid.
It’s now four months later and I must report some odd comments (all hers). First one just days before the surgery (right after we met with the doc): “Your inability to accept want I want to do with my body is . . . really troubling.” Next about a month after the surgery: “Frankly,” she said, “I was surprised how good and attentive you were (I was great, actually) considering how much you were against the surgery.” Geez, did she really expect me to abandon her because she had the surgery? (I dunno; perhaps another, shallower fella would have. Love indeed makes fools of us all.) I said to her, "Wouldn't you do the same for me?" Her reply, "I hope so." Hmm.
About a month ago: “Do you know how much I miss having large breasts? Not. At. All.” (Emphasis not added.) Why? “They were a burden.” “Even before you started having pain (2.5 years prior to the surgery)? “Yes.” No further elaboration. And here’s a recent gem: “If I weren’t such a strong-willed person, I’d never have gone for a breast reduction because of you.” Regarding scarring. “I don’t really care about scarring, so that’s why I’m not using any anti-scarring cream.”
Here’s an interesting topic. Any breast play in bed? Nope. Her boobs are off limits. Can’t even touch ‘em. “You had them for 9 years; that’s enough.” (We started dating 9 years ago.) What?! I offered, well, it’s only been a few months and you’re still recovering. Are you saying they’re off limits indefinitely? “We’ll see.” Geez.
By the way, the doc took extra care to make sure the nipples remained intact. (I insisted; frankly, I think my gf was indifferent about the possible loss of nipple sensation.) She now has sensitivity in only one of them, she says. But she said the doc told her his wife, who also had BR surgery (presumably he did not do it) had no nipple sensation for two years. And last but not least, “I can’t imagine you sucking on them like you used to.” (I was quite energetic in my efforts, and apparently it was not often a turn-on for her; she once said it reminded her of breast-feeding her children. However I do recall on occasion her being on top of me and when I’d not paid attention to her “girls,” she’d shove one in my mouth.)
Finally, a word about the reduced appearance. They look . . . unfamiliar. They’re on the small side (too small, in my opinion, not that that counts . . .) and seem rather “perky.” She’s not bought any new bras (except one size “Large” exercise bra) and instead wears her old 36G and 36H bras. (So I guess that’s her new size but somehow they seem smaller than G cups to me.) Ironically, one of the comments that she really fumed about was my suggestion to the doc that he try to make her something in the ballpark of a 36G as that seemed to be her size for a long while before she developed back pain in the fall of 2010. “Will you please let the doctor decide? That’s what I want.” Incidentally all her old (well, relatively recently acquired 38M and 36N) bras went into a large plastic bag in the back of her closet.
She does have something called “dog ears” along her incision lines. (This is a “characteristic puckering of the skin that can occur after surgical wound closure . . . In body contouring where large amounts of tissue are excised, they are not rare.”) My gf figures he was concentrating on saving the nipples and also probably had another, "greener" doc do the closing. He told her to come back in the Fall and he’ll fix them under local anesthesia.
And that’s about it. Sorry I’ve written a book but I guess I had a lot to get off my chest (pardon the pun). Thanks for listening. Oh – for those that are wondering – my girlfriend reports no back pain now.
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Thanks for listening. Oh – for those that are wondering – my girlfriend reports no back pain now.
Ah well, at least there's that.
Thanks for the update. Hang in there, brother.
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“Do you know how much I miss having large breasts? Not. At. All.”... “They were a burden.”
In a way, this brings me comfort and resolution to the story. If she is happy, we should all be happy. Thank you for all that you shared about this! You chose a great moniker when you selected Insightful!
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I'm still glad she posts pix after her reduction, and she's still hot and all... but before her reduction Keratosis was pop-worthy in the extreme.
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I'm still glad she posts pix after her reduction, and she's still hot and all... but before her reduction Keratosis was pop-worthy in the extreme.
I also appreciate that she is willing to post images of the post operation results.
It puts the whole process into better perspective.
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It happens. Sometimes it's really difficult to see why. I just think some gals imagine that smaller/higher breasts with large scars are somehow preferable to larger/lower breasts that are scarless. Go figure.
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An amateur I presume. Still exciting, but mainly because she's so cute to start with. I have no idea what she looked like before the reduction surgery, but I imagine like some drug-induced wet dream. ;)
Big boob babes mix08 - 2063949420 br redux ULd
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At least this unidentified model's surgeon did a decent job re: nipple placement, shape and symmetry.
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Codi Bryant may have had implants put in afterwards, but the scarring would suggest that she had a reduction before that.
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Samantha Jay aka Shyloh from Cosmid. :(
Before reduction (collage hotlink)
(http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=148052.0;attach=388203;image)
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After reduction (attachment at bottom of this post)
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I would posit that the focus is misplaced.
Big breasts, of themselves, are not inherently bad.
Just consider - they are here due to some level of natural selection.
Look at all the positive sociological attention wrapped around them.
And hey, we are MAMMALS, right?
Instead of refining breast reduction techniques, medical science should instead work on producing reasonable and attainable back and shoulder strengthening and improvement.
Eh?
-D'Artagnian
I know, I'm preaching to the choir.
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I just looked at the pics, I didn't read all the posts, but I want to tell you something about me. When I was a teenager I was a target for bullies in high school and a target for rude men on the streets as they were violently coming towards me to touch me. I was so desperate that I wanted to reduce my breasts. Thank God, I couldn't find a doctor that would operate on an **08** person. When I was 20 3 doctors told me to reduce my breasts. I looked up on google again what a surgery means. I was shocked to read on forums and blogs about ladies that have been butcherd by the doctors. Some said they still have huge pain over 2 years and that there might be puss in the scar after half year.... That scared me! Then a friend of mom talked to me. She had breast cancer and her breasts are gone now. She told me that it would be a huge mistake! Then I had this inner talk with me and I decided that I wouldn't be myself without my big breasts. Also I realized that I am going from bigger cup to bigger cup and so on, so if I would have reduced my tits, the scars would be bigger and bigger. The only way I would have a breast reduction, would be only and if only I would be diagnosed with cancer... I had back problems. I had at some point a scoliosis crisis. I was afraid to breath, that bad it hurt. I couldn't walk, couldn't talk, and each time I wanted to say a word i felt like my heart is gonna explode from the pain. I went to the doctor and he gave me a cocktail of painkillers. I asked him if it's because of my heavy chest. And he said... you know what? No! It's not because you have big chest, it's because your back muscles are not strong enough! So work them out! And since then I haven't had any other problem with my back! So I hope I will never ever have any condition that would force me to reduce my breasts! XOXO to all boobs lovers
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Thank you for that, Roxanne. Wishing you continued good health and good boobage :)
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I asked him if it's because of my heavy chest. And he said... you know what? No! It's not because you have big chest, it's because your back muscles are not strong enough! So work them out! And since then I haven't had any other problem with my back!
THANK you for this. This helps to confirm/validate a position I've held for years in this regard. (A related position has to do with self-inflicted poor posture, resulting from slouching and trying to "be invisible".)
Also, sorry for your unfortunate journey, but very happy for your enlightenment. :)
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YouTube: "What Breast Reduction Actually Feels Like" (http://www.youtube.com/v/-myWDQw65xk&rel=0)
The money quote: "I've drawn the conclusion that a breast reduction is every bit as psychological in nature as it is physical. It deals with sexuality and attractiveness, emotional stability and social standards, in a way that a knee or a hip surgery doesn't."
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I'm sure this was mentioned before, but sadly, the once-glorious-but-still-quite-appealing pendulous wonder that was/is Yurizan Beltran has also fallen victim to the surgeon's knife.
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Back ,shoulder and (not mentioned) AB workout regimens are great for ANYBODY's posture...and especially for well endowed women.
BUT...breast reduction surgery is now an affordable and socially accepted practice that improves the lives of thousands of women every year.
Known several woman who have gotten reductions and they all have had great post-op experiences. They say the only thing they lost was (unwanted) attention from strangers.
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I dunno anything about the veracity or provenance of this photo or of its subject, though I assume her to be a m1nor **29** of some sort.
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Perkins was the lead in Big with Tom Hanks. On Weeds she played a character who had a double mastectomy.
Mod edit: Thanks for the info gimmedat! May we assume that the pic I attached is her made-up with fictional post-mastectomy reconstruction scars? -Pal
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Lexi Lowe has what appear to be reduction scars.
e39fe889f018 Lexi Lowe BR scars?
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YouTube: "What Breast Reduction Actually Feels Like" (http://www.youtube.com/v/-myWDQw65xk&rel=0)
The money quote: "I've drawn the conclusion that a breast reduction is every bit as psychological in nature as it is physical. It deals with sexuality and attractiveness, emotional stability and social standards, in a way that a knee or a hip surgery doesn't."
Indeed, and this is why I keep babbling that anyone who wants either enlargement or reduction needs to first have a serious talk with a psychologist or psychiatrist.
1) What does she want the surgery to do? 2) Will the surgery do that? 3) Is there a less-invasive way to do the same thing? 4) What else will the surgery do?
Either that, or have a long talk with Linsey Dawn MacKinsey.
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From what I've seen/gathered, there seems to be a considerable range of "success" in terms of breast reduction outcomes, with some looking surprisingly good and retaining nipple sensitivity while at the other end of the spectrum, there are some that wind up mishapen and/or have little or no nipple sensitivity. Sort of like breast enlargement surgeries: some come out much better than others... we've all seen those that wind up with completely unaturally-shaped breasts, or asymetry, or odd nipple position (or some combination of all of those things) and then there are those augmentations that look so good you can barely believe they were ever under the knife.
As it happens, the largest pair of breasts I ever had the chance to get to know IRL had been reduced (at least ten years before). IMO, they came out extremely well: they had a great overall shape that looked "right" in the context of their still massive size, the nipples were in the right place and responded well to touch, and even the scarring wasn't too bad, which was a surprise considering the dusky/olive skin tone. The only complaint I could have had (aside from not ever getting to play with them pre-reduction of course ;)) was that they were very firm... surprisingly so for un-implanted breasts. I'm *assuming* this might have been due to internal scar tissue, which might have acted as a sort of bra... it was a huge reduction (I saw the "before" photos) so a lot of tissue had been removed.
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Presumably, given their size and location, these are reduction scars on Eva Notty.
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:'( :'( :'(
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Presumably, given their size and location, these are reduction scars on Eva Notty.
No, that was a botched enlargement :(