Post by: Governor on February 06, 2004, 07:25:28 AM
Talk about your history!
Post by: Craig_Mercer on February 06, 2004, 09:16:17 AM
Post by: MunchWolf on February 06, 2004, 10:49:13 AM
-Munch "I remember when .. we had to walk 5 miles .. in the snow ... uphill .. just to get the boobies ... and they were only D-cups back then" Wolf
Post by: Wolfman1066 on February 06, 2004, 11:08:29 AM
Post by: Aahz on February 06, 2004, 12:31:10 PM
Aahz.
Post by: Tugboatcap on February 07, 2004, 12:24:08 AM
Tugboatcap!
Post by: Haknslash on February 07, 2004, 12:36:46 AM
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Post by: Governor on February 07, 2004, 08:50:04 AM
Post by: CaptainQ on February 07, 2004, 01:30:35 PM
Post by: DrHyde on February 07, 2004, 01:54:16 PM
Post by: Johnny_Swell on February 07, 2004, 02:21:05 PM
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Or even before Acotto, there were BBS sites like the Chicago Loop and Rusty & Eddies. Ahhh - 2400 baud. Those were the days.... NOT!
Tugboatcap!
Ah yes I remember those days well when I was just old enough to get a credit card and buy a 10$ a month subscription to Rusty and Edie's, and MCI had their "free long distance for one month" special. I *soooo* abused that month calling from Delaware to the midwest. Anyone else remember the Amazon's Arena where I first posted my first BE drawings? That was where I saw the first Dr. Enlarge stories and posted my own first story, back in the wonderful days of being a computer *god* because you had a 14.4 modem. There wasnt much out there, I think the only other well-endowed art I had ever seen before mine was the stuff posted by Elbee and of course the essential Nanny Dickering stories in Cracked by Bill Ward. Sometimes I miss my teen years, then I remember that it was actually more fun *after* I started having sex with girls. The one thing that I truly wished I had been able to keep from that era were my original BE drawings, dozens of sketches and some very detailed pencil renderings that were lost in a house fire 3 years ago (sigh).
Johnny "Where's my walker?" Swell
Post by: MrHHH on November 24, 2004, 04:26:17 AM
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Dr. Enlarge "The Mistake" was published on the alt.sex.stories newsgroups sometime in 92. He got a lot of feedback from that, but discovered there were others who liked BE too.
BE Buddies e-mail list was created/implemented (when? Who did it?)
Acotto FTP site was before the web took off. It became a depository for morphers. (around when?)
Then there were two other sites. The first one died from lack of funds. The second one never really took off. I forget why.
Then one of the BE crowd got funds for making the BEA by promising free access to the site forever. (When did the BEA come online?)
Wren's spot was created (when? Around the same time, right?) as a protest to show that you could make a free BE site. (Heh, the ads he put up is now blocking the pages on the internet wayback machine.) Scotty of Hooters.dk is supposed to have a backup of the site.
The #!!BE_LOFT was created on IRC for the BE crowd to hang out at.
On November 2001 "The (prohibited O)" was created bye MrHHH in response to the BEA's free story area never being updated. (Ugh, I don't believe I had to go look that up, in fact, I missed the third birthday of (prohibited O).)
Anyone willing to fill in the blanks? Did I miss any BE history?
Anyone remember the first morph?
Post by: sheber on November 25, 2004, 01:48:04 AM
What was his name (DruulEmpire, is that it?) was writing BE stories for men's magazines in the late 80's, our only erotic refuge of the time. I must have reread those stories a dozen times until another one was written. One of the other old farts will have to tell you about telnet and the old BBS's. From what I understand BE and fakes were around, even then. BE stories were well constructed yet often verbose (Al- Some Sort Of Dog, still owes me a ream of paper for trying to print out one of his stories) and were tucked quietly away all over the web. The web was new, and Spam was unheard of, but search engines were archaic. It was hard finding BE. Popular phrases had yet to be coined (or at least exploited) which would allow a websurfer to easily navigate the WWW.
I believe it was 93 when AASB (alt.alt.sex.breast) became a website and folded within the year.
At the end of its run a tiny new site emerged... the BEA (I still remeber that awful seafoam background). The honorable Reverend Doctor Monsoon Macman tried his hand at morphing and even offered an ftp home ('93) to those wayward BE files abndoned by A. Cotto ('92). R&D was a plain text newletter mailed out the members of the BE-Buddies, a shrouded (and sorted) group of people, many of whom were the founding backbone of the BE movement(have we had any new members in years?).
Wren-spot as well as Diana's Valkerie carried the ever popular R&D, while Cheviot's Place was in its inception.
The IRC channel #!!BE_LOFT was in existence in 94 and the first incarnation of the website was created shortly after. A redesign came in 96 and in 2000 the LOFT abandoned Dalnet.
I'll have to double check my log dates and saved newsletters to verify these years. Until then, you can go on believing that I made this all up.
Post by: Korg_Fal on November 25, 2004, 07:41:33 AM
Yes, I have been around awhile, hehe. Actually, in connection with another post of mine, Svengali was around back then too, although he seems to be lurking these days he still posts an occasional picture in the UG Ive noticed. Or I think its him, it looks EXACTLY like Svens old stuff. Oh well, anyways, I just ahd to post a reply to this one...man I feel old now. :|KorgFal
Post by: Liam on November 25, 2004, 11:11:51 AM
Post by: TheHerald on November 25, 2004, 12:20:24 PM
I found this somewhere and I've been saving this, apparently, for today.
I hope this helps you, Mr HHH (Written in 1999)
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A Brief History of Breast Expansion by Glenn G.
Gather around, children. Some of you have wondered from whence came this thing we call 'BE', and how such an unlikely thing came to pass in the first place. Well, settle down, get comfortable, and I will tell you the story. Is the story true, you might ask? To that I can only answer, it is the truth that *I* saw it, as I lived it. Someone else may have lived a different truth, but in general, I suspect we old-timers will agree on most points.
It all started about nine years ago, and the Internet of nine years ago was a very different place, let me tell you! Most people had modems no faster than 2400 baud, bandwidth was precious, and the vast majority of us had Internet accounts through our schools, or, more rarely, through work. This is important, because in those days, the schools and/or workplaces had rather strict policies regarding what you could and couldn't do with what access they gave you. There were no Hotmail or Yahoo mail accounts, and in fact, there was no Web! The USENet had not yet discovered the commercial possibilities of Spam (in very
large part because school accounts did not permit such) and so was actually useful. All in all, quite different from the glitzy, high-speed 'net of today.
So, back to nine years ago...I was pretty much a net-newbie, getting the hang of reading through dozens of USENet newsgroup posts in a big hurry, when I came across something strange. In the newsgroup 'alt.sex.stories', this guy had put in a request for a certain type of story to be written. Now, by itself, that was nothing new--happened all the time. People always wanted their own fetishes to be catered to. But this guy said he wanted to read stories about girls whose breasts grew, and that he'd post one if someone else did. Well, this was certainly -different-, and lo, the next day, someone had hacked up this cruddy little tale that was poorly described and over in a flash. The first poster responded, saying that was an interesting first attempt, but that he had something more like this in mind...and posted "The Mistake". He said he was posting it for a friend, which back then pretty much meant he didn't want to claim authorship, in the event that word somehow got back to his boss and/or school. And "Mistake" was followed by a few others, and the phenomenon was off and rolling.
But for the first couple of years, it rolled -slowly-. I religiously scanned the a.s.s. newsgroup for anything that might be a BE story (the term 'BE' itself was coined by the first poster). But a month or two might go by without seeing anything new. And while there were a few morphed pictures out there, they were creations of BBSes and used pretty much as advertising pictures--nothing at all to do with the BE movement. Oh, and by today's standards, they weren't good quality at all. As time went on, there were fewer and fewer stories posted, and things looked grim. However, a light broke through the darkness and gave the BE movement a fighting chance. Someone, and it pains me to say I don't remember who (Wren tells me it was Dr. Enlarge himself), formed a mail-list for those who wanted to write BE stories, and it was mentioned once on a.s.s. I was there, signing up in a flash! It didn't last very long, but it was the first attempt to give BE writers (and fans, like me) a sense of community, a place to share news, and a place where we were normal (well, as normal as we got, anyway). As I said, it didn't last long--people's addresses were always changing, as they left college or what have you. It did last long enough, though, to do one -very- important thing. It announced the Acotto ftp site. Now, lots of you have heard of this mythical place, where there were endless fields of milk and honey, and enormous breasted women frolicked with scientists bent on increasing their size still further. In fact, it was the first archive. And as such, it saved the concept of BE.
I'm -not- being melodramatic here. The first list was always very small, and most people never knew of its existence. The ftp site was a gathering point, a focus if you would, for those interested in BE. Things -stayed- there, so others could see and enjoy. This was when morphs started to be collected, since now there was a place you could actually download them! This is where Al started archiving R&D, which originally had no name. This is where some of our best talent joined us, like Johnny Swell and Bust Artist, when they could see that there were others like themselves out there who appreciated what they had hidden away in their sketchbooks. It was a place to share with those you trusted not to spread it around too much. So let ftp.netcom.com/user/a/acotto go down in history forever! And, Anthony, I know you're out there still. I just want to say thanks, publicly, for what you did for us. And the Acotto archive lasted for a few years, which was incredible for the times. But Netcom was always in it for the money, and at one point, Anthony's little (well, not so little) ftp site was drawing 25% of the hits to Netcom's public ftp machine. Despite necessary cutbacks in the size, eventually, for no specific and good reason given, Acotto's was closed by the management of Netcom. And the clouds rolled back across the sky. (A little side note here--a year after Acotto's closed, a friend of mine loaned me a book called _Places on the NET -They- Don't Want You To See_...and it had Acotto's listed. Almost dropped my jaw to the floor, especially when it became obvious that the authors thought all those pictures were real...and the publication date on the book was just before the site's closure. Not a coincidence, I'm sure.)
But Al's (approximately) monthly newsletter kept being sent out, to those of us smart enough to subscribe to it. And it maintained that necessary sense of community we had come to enjoy at Acotto's. Eventually, one article in it told of the formation of a new mail-list. It seemed there was a 'Balloon-buddies' list that handled all aspects of the sexual nature of inflation and balloons--including, it seemed, some BE. But this list was splitting up into several different lists, for a variety of reasons, and that there was to be a list dedicated specifically to BE! For details, get ahold of Inflate123, who was there at this time, in the thick of things.
So, quite naturally, I joined this new 'BE-buddies' list. And one of the first topics of discussion was how to create another Acotto-style ftp site. Over time, it became obvious that we really couldn't. No one of us had the storage space or bandwidth necessary to do such--and remember, most of us were on .edu accounts, still. Oh, we tried. We used the cluon ftp site, we had LBurns' site, the Missouri stories site, and of course, SturmB's -immense- collection, which had to wander around a lot, because his ISP didn't really like anonymous ftp-ing... And in amongst these attempts, we wrote, and discussed, and bickered (rarely),
tried to discover Wren's hat size, and bemoaned the lack of anything stable. In short, we became a definite community--even a family. Mastophilus ran the list for a -long- while, until life forced him to hand it over to Cygor.
But all this time, technology didn't remain static. Modem speeds were going up, bandwidth costs were coming down, and it was becoming possible for one person, if they really wanted, to become widely known on this new thing called the Web. One man put up a website as an alternative to the spam-filled alt.sex.breast.* newsgroups, and the BE-buddies started to join that, when it was forced down by high costs. Inflate123 and LVKane put up their sites. In February, 1997, Strikr, of the Be-buddies, formed the BE_Loft, a Dalnet chatroom so we could talk in realtime with each other. And just before that, this guy, who we'll call the BEArchive Owner, put up the first version of the BEArchive around June of 1997, which back then was pretty much a japanese manga site, then a stories collection, but over time got it's own server and an immense clientele which, if you're actually reading this, you likely are part of. Wren, a -LONG- time BE writer and contributor put up his site for BE and a number of other related interests three months after the BEA went up.
And now, on the verge of the year 2000? Who knows what'll happen next. There are BE-fans all over the globe. The Be-buddies are still going strong. There are -numerous- BE sites scattered about the Earth and the movement, no matter how silly it may appear to some, is a ummm, growing concern. Not too bad for under a decade, eh?
That, my children, is the tale, at least for now. Perhaps one of you will become a research biochemist and invent a true BE formula, or a molecular physicist, and find a way to add breast flesh with a ray. In any case, you now know the past, go forth and make tomorrow. See you in the Loft!
FIN
GlennG
Post by: MrHHH on November 25, 2004, 03:07:50 PM
I remember that post now Herald! Thanks!
Post by: MrHHH on November 25, 2004, 04:18:19 PM
History of the BE Community
Post by: TheHerald on November 25, 2004, 11:36:47 PM
Chili Palmer's "Cup of Chili" site (link is on the Main BEA menu page, but only members can access it).
Post by: MrHHH on November 26, 2004, 07:22:55 AM
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Post by: sheber on December 05, 2004, 12:11:07 AM
Post by: Palomine on March 08, 2016, 11:04:32 AM
Post by: Nimrod on July 10, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
What old bumps like this make me think about are:
- 1997 was the break out year for BE content on the web
- The BEA has gone through some activity ups and downs over the years
- There have been some chunks of BE history lost due to simple hardware failure and human error
- Kithara and I have been around a long time now
We found the original BEA via a link from Wren Spot around about June of 1997.
Post by: JH_ on July 11, 2016, 04:52:24 AM
A couple of years ago, Adama and I contributed to an article on the history of BE for Prophet Tenebrae's Female TransFormations (FTF) wiki, but unfortunately the wiki is now defunct. However there's an archived copy of the article here: http://web.archive.org/web/20111018080009/http://www.ftf10.com/wiki/index.php?title=Breast_Expansion
I'm pretty sure that there's some info in this thread that we weren't aware of.