[St Stephan]

I've just posted a few pics of Deena Duos taken from two hardcore shoots she's done.  I also know of only two hardcore videos of her (one on a bench by the beach and one standard bedroom scene).  All four of these, the only Deena hardcore I know of, are with the same guy, a hairy gorilla who seems totally bored with Deena's ineffable attentions (OK, I'm jealous).
   

Was this guy her husband/long-term lover?  And did she do hardcore only with him?  If so, this puts Deena (at least at the height of her career) in an unusual category of practitioners of, let's call it Christian hardcore, which consists of having sex with your husband and allowing someone to film it and market it - but not making sex videos with any other men.  Of course there are plenty of pornstars who don't do hardcore at all, and others who only do it girl/girl;  but this is different.
So, my questions:

1. Am I right about Deena?
2. Do you know any other stars who do Christian hardcore?   (Maxi Mounds would fall into this category;  any others?)
3. While I'm at it, did Deena do any more films, hard or soft (I've seen caps of her taking a shower; any more?)

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[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: St Stephan ]

[zappfra]

As far as I know Deena has performed with the one and only and, if you ever get to see or have seen the Double-d production "On Location in Palm Springs" the one and only is also in attendance at a photo Shoot which involved Deena (pre big implants), Letha Weapons and Lacey Legends, hasging around in the Background. So it would appear he did not let Deena out of his site very often.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

quote: Do you know any other stars who do Christian hardcore? (Maxi Mounds would fall
                  into this category; any others?)

I don't know about any current performers, but in the recent past there were Missy Warner, Champagne (the original one), and Kascha in that category.

[richardosteele]

Deena Duos may do so-called "Christian" hardcore in front of the camera. On the other hand, she certainly shifts gears when the camera is off! She has escorted in Las Vegas for a number of years. I am not sure where that fits into the Christian hardcore continuum. Escorting, at least if calculated to keep the customer happy, is hardcore by definition. Thus, unless she has but a single customer, it would be hard to fit Deena's activities into the Christian hardcore paradigm. In point of fact, I can assure you that Deena has many customers; the ones whose reviews I have read seem to be very happy campers. As a result, we seem to have a serious problem of theological definition!

Richard O. Steele
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[sheber]

I remember Kelly Everts stripped for God....

[steveo]

So who's doing Buddhist hardcore? I suppose that would be Minka, ya think?

[St Stephan]

Or Jewish hardcore?  (You can't suck her tits and eat her pussy in the same session).  

Seriously though, for Mr. Steele:  I don't see a problem in theological definition. I coined the term "Christian hardcore" (only half-jokingly, reminiscent of the "missionary position") to refer to pornography (isn't that what hardcore always refers to?).  Escorting or downright **31** is not pornography, soft or hard.  Pornography must be on paper or the modern equivalents, film or the monitor.  Private or public sex acts are not pornography unless they are filmed or written up.  It may be illegal for your wife to go down on you in North Carolina (really!) but it's not pornography per se unless you publish.
In fact I was aware of Deena's current activities, which is why I added the proviso "at the height of her career" to my above statement.  I would say her career is going downhill now.  Sad.  She didn't in fact produce very much porn, soft or hard.  I think she would have found a ready market with that body and face, and done as well as, say Busty Dusty or Wendy Whoppers.  Instead...sigh! Sic transit gloria Deenae!
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[JustMeMike]

Interesting question Your Grace. I think that this isn't a question of Judaic-Christian principles. Instead, I believe it is the compression of time, or something else, which I will describe...eventually.  

Deena made the videos you referenced for John Graham Productions and these were marketed and distributed by H & S Sales, now called Xavier Productions.

Deena Duos was one example. Tiffany Towers was another model who was first brought to the small screen in a video called The Girls of Daytona by H & S, and that video helped her career take off. Then Graham shot video of her in the Bahamas as well as London,& she performed with the same guy named Robert. Candy Canteloupes ditto. Even Lisa Lipps first two XXX Videos - Her first was Palm Springs or Bust she was known as Starry Knights then, her next was Boobarella shot in the Bahamas. In these two, she performed with the same guy, a blond guy.

Here's my theory: these gentlemen were the models' boy-friend du jour at the time Graham made the videos. As their fame and fan-bases grew - they began traveling as feature dancers. Then more offers came rolling in. Lisa Lipps, Tiffany Towers, and Wendy Whoppers were three models who began with Graham and H & S.  Graham and H & S were also linked together with SCORE. Score was the third of the platforms to bring these models to stardom. Clubs, Print, & Video are the chief means to maximize the models exposure.

So while with Graham/H&S/Score - their male counterparts were always the same guys. Later, when these models worked with other production companies, they performed sexually with a large variety of porno studs.

So either these guys were the boy friends of the moment (Compression of time) OR they were the hired studs working for Graham to service the models.

As for Minka - she explains it succinctly. When she works for a production company as a hired model, she has no  control over her amount of time on screen, or how the scene is shot, or who she performs with...when she did appear in some H & S productions, she did perform with her long time partner Woody. Of course there were a couple of others too. But in her OWN productions, she has performed almost exclusively with Woody.

Woody & Minka - Robert & Tiffany. Name your combo. We may never have the real reasons so this is just my theory.

JustMeMike  

[St Stephan]

Trust JMM to give an exhaustive account of video history!
Not sure what you mean by compression of time, Mike - just that the current boyfriend was the easiest and quickest available?  (And maybe they didn't even have to pay him - isn't there a pornstars union?).
Of course a porn film is like any other sex: the first time you do it you're 100% faithful!  The point is that they normally went on, as you say, to whatever studs the studio hired, and Deena didn't.  
Look, don't think I'm trying to present Deena Duos as one step short of a nun.  Probably Gorilla there was keeping her on a short leash, as zappfra says.  And it's quite likely that if she had produced more porn it would have been with different men.  But it's just possible that she was willing to have sex with just one man over a long period and allowed someone to film and market that, which is what I call, with usual tongue in cheek, Christian hardcore.  This is exactly what I think Maxi Mounds has done.
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[Palomine]

Bumping this because it's erudite and informative. The only hc pix I ran across are (I think) those two Score sets with the furry guy... one has Deena wearing weird zebra-stripe stuff, and she's sporting a headband in the other, so I'm not attaching any. If she did/you've got some non-Score hc w/her, feel free to post it within the rules/limits.

Edited later to attach one of the few semi/simulated hardcore pix of Uschi that I've seen. No idea if this pic is part of an actual hardcore layout or not.

[pedonbio]

Interesting question Your Grace. I think that this isn't a question of Judaic-Christian principles. Instead, I believe it is the compression of time, or something else, which I will describe...eventually.  <P>Deena made the videos you referenced for John Graham Productions and these were marketed and distributed by H & S Sales, now called Xavier Productions.<P>Deena Duos was one example. Tiffany Towers was another model who was first brought to the small screen in a video called The Girls of Daytona by H & S, and that video helped her career take off. Then Graham shot video of her in the Bahamas as well as London,& she performed with the same guy named Robert. Candy Canteloupes ditto. Even Lisa Lipps first two XXX Videos - Her first was Palm Springs or Bust she was known as Starry Knights then, her next was Boobarella shot in the Bahamas. In these two, she performed with the same guy, a blond guy.<P>Here's my theory: these gentlemen were the models' boy-friend du jour at the time Graham made the videos. As their fame and fan-bases grew - they began traveling as feature dancers. Then more offers came rolling in. Lisa Lipps, Tiffany Towers, and Wendy Whoppers were three models who began with Graham and H & S.  Graham and H & S were also linked together with SCORE. Score was the third of the platforms to bring these models to stardom. Clubs, Print, & Video are the chief means to maximize the models exposure. <P>So while with Graham/H&S/Score - their male counterparts were always the same guys. Later, when these models worked with other production companies, they performed sexually with a large variety of porno studs. <P>So either these guys were the boy friends of the moment (Compression of time) OR they were the hired studs working for Graham to service the models.<P>As for Minka - she explains it succinctly. When she works for a production company as a hired model, she has no  control over her amount of time on screen, or how the scene is shot, or who she performs with...when she did appear in some H & S productions, she did perform with her long time partner Woody. Of course there were a couple of others too. But in her OWN productions, she has performed almost exclusively with Woody.<P>Woody & Minka - Robert & Tiffany. Name your combo. We may never have the real reasons so this is just my theory. <P>JustMeMike   <IMG SRC="images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0">

I know this thread is about Deena, but JustMeMike's description matches my experience in the 1970s. Most of the porn was what are called "loops", about 100 feet of 8mm film; some models brought along boyfriends/husbands to shoots and some didn't. Uschi Digart did one hardcore loop with her husband*. She also did a simulated sex loop with somebody else. Michelle Angelo didn't do any hardcore, but she always brought her bf/husband to shoots. Later in the video days I think Bridgette Monet only did hc with her bf, Dave Cannon; Milly Norris only did hc with her bf until they broke up.

In the 1960s Milton Luros introduced mass production into porn, and would hire couples to do softcore and/or simulated sex. If the couple carried things further, he instructed camera crews to keep the film. He believed, accurately, that porn would open up more and more. most of that material has never been released.

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*--She has said, and that is what has been released. I can't vouch for it.