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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2009, 05:11:56 PM »
I know .. bumping and old thread .. shame shame .... but I did want to remind people clocks change this weekend

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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 08:53:30 PM »
You're all late, it happened last week!
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 09:21:59 PM »
erm .... in the states it happens this weekend .... Nov 1 ....

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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2009, 02:08:30 AM »
What would make more sense would be to advance our time zones permanently, as the U.S. did during World War II. It would save several trillion kilowatt-hours.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2009, 04:42:15 AM »
What would make more sense would be to advance our time zones permanently, as the U.S. did during World War II. It would save several trillion kilowatt-hours.
But that always seems to piss off some interest groups like farmers who don’t like it.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2009, 11:43:47 AM »
we don't need no stinkin watches.....
I'm walkin' here

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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2009, 03:31:48 PM »
What would make more sense would be to advance our time zones permanently, as the U.S. did during World War II. It would save several trillion kilowatt-hours.
Don't say that. They just figured out DST in Indiana. ;)

And as hard as it is for me to fall asleep during daylight hours, it's even harder to wake up when it's dark outside.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 01:37:12 AM »
Don't say that. They just figured out DST in Indiana. ;)

And as hard as it is for me to fall asleep during daylight hours, it's even harder to wake up when it's dark outside.

Actually the recent adoption to observe DST in Indiana was fueled by reasons to facilitate business hours with adjoining states and metropolitan areas such as Cincinnati, Chicago or Louisville. It had nothing to do with power saving.

In fact - because the entire state suddenly started following DST it provided a rare opportunity to actually test many of the long held assumptions about the benefits of DST.
For the first and only time a large population under "modern" energy consumption could be compared before and after the implementation of DST.

Basically most of the DST "benefits" do not hold up in the modern age.
1) There were NO power savings and due to the much more prevalent use of air conditioning there were some areas that actually used MORE power under DST when compared to the previous years because people would get home with more daylight hours which would cause them to cool for an additional hour. This research and findings were actually downplayed because it flies in the face of one of the major reasons of why we follow DST.
2) There was NO significant improvement is business now that the state was "synchronized" with its neighbors partially because it could only match up with states on either the eastern or central times zones and some areas now no longer have the "open an additional hour" effect.
3) Absent rates for workers and students now spike around the DST change dates.
4) Traffic accidents also show a spike within the state now.
5) Indiana farmers never had an opinion as the state did not observe it.

In all not much was gained be starting to observe DST.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 02:53:20 AM »
erm .... in the states it happens this weekend .... Nov 1 ....

I can't speak for England or most of the rest of Europe, but clocks shifted back a week ago in Germany.

And Australia jumped forward recently.  Except for places like Brisbane, which are like Arizona and Saskatchewan.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 02:59:08 PM »

And as hard as it is for me to fall asleep during daylight hours, it's even harder to wake up when it's dark outside.

You've made a good point, PregNut. One's latitude has a lot to do with it. In Southern California (and its colony, Arizona) the sun rises about 6a.m. and sets around 7p.m. the year around. In Seattle it rises at 4:30a.m. in the summer and sets about 9:30p.m. But in the winter it rises about 8:00a.m. and sets about 4:00p.m.

Of course, we don't usually notice because of the rain.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2009, 04:35:58 PM »
I went to the Indy 500 this year and was amazed that twilight lasted until almost 10pm, and that was on May 24th. Where I live, twilight never lasts past 9:30pm, even on the day of the year with the latest sunset (roughly July 1st).

On a side note: DirecTV has a neat feature where you can select up to five additional zip codes (six, including your own) to check the local forecast, which includes sunrise and sunset times. It's interesting to see the different times for cities on the same latitude, but different longitudes. My favorite out-of-town choice: Barrow, Alaska; North America's northernmost city. Due to it's location above the Arctic Circle, it gains or loses 30 minutes of daylight every day, depending on the time of year. Their final sunset this year falls just before Thanksgiving.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2009, 11:48:32 AM »
I can't speak for England or most of the rest of Europe, but clocks shifted back a week ago in Germany
Doesn't all this relate to the seasonal equinoxes
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2009, 11:54:36 AM »
In Seattle it rises at 4:30a.m. in the summer and sets about 9:30p.m. But in the winter it rises about 8:00a.m. and sets about 4:00p.m.

Of course, we don't usually notice because of the rain.
Fairly similar to the day lengths here in London.

Yep, and the rain too.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2009, 06:02:43 PM »
Fairly similar to the day lengths here in London.

Yep, and the rain too.


Yep, I know. It's one reason the place was settled mostly by ex-pat Brits and Scandinavians. It feels like home. Wet, cold, breezy home.
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Re: Clocks going back 1 hour...
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2009, 01:48:08 AM »
Yep, I know.
Maybe it gets dark a little later at 9:45/10:00pm in the height of the summer, but more or less the same.  I think we are a tad further north than you.  In Scotland, who are on the same time zone as we are in the south, it gets dark even later, and consequently the days are even shorter in the winter. 
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