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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2005, 02:16:18 PM »
Hey the unrealism makes it cool, the perfection makes it sexy and the fact that anime has such an endearing (sexual or otherwise) quality helps.

Heres a pic to help people make up minds if new to the thread
ANyone can feel free to post any real women as a comparison.
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2005, 03:15:04 PM »
I actually prefer the American stylings in animation/comic art. For the most part you can keep the pool-eyed look.
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2005, 03:27:28 PM »
Yeah....wonder woman was great. I loved the whole cones and whips thing....also she hulk damn i love the green ladies!!!
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2005, 02:31:12 AM »
Here is another picture to whip those anime fans into a slaver....or is it slather? Oh well drool away!
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2005, 02:34:15 AM »
mhhh...*drool*

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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2005, 02:35:04 AM »
Hey not too much drooling!!!!
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2005, 03:10:32 AM »
I wasn't trying to be crude, I just tell it like I see it.

The cool thing about animé is the injection of Japanese culture into a medium that gets world-wide attention. I like the way the stories are done and the imaginitive aspect of what goes into it. I just always found it curious as to why so many artists try to emulate that one style of line art. Tetsuwan Atom anyone?

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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2005, 09:51:18 AM »
I think I can answer that. I vaguely remember an art class where it was explained that any GOOD artist will seek inspiration and new methods to express him/herself, wherever something appeals to them. Doesn't matter whether you are talking music, architecture, drawings, etc. Western artists (comic book especially) are responding very naturally to the surge of interest in a form of art that is near and dear to their collective hearts. Manga and anime is, after all, the Japanese version of comic books and animation in a country that embraced the two mediums for ANY kind of story and for ANY age, not like the predominant attitude in the US (at least) that animation and comic books are "only for kids". It's only fair to point out that Japanese artists are inspired by and emulate many artists from outside their country as well, primarily American for animation (Disney, etc), but both US and Europe for comics.

Responding to comments made earlier by chronic and sheber. The Japanese method of drawing a face is based on the belief that most emotions are portrayed through the eyes. Eyes are made extra big (extra tall, actually) to make it easier to show the emotions of the character in a medium that often shrinks the size of the characters to the point where details may be hard to make out. The culture also has a strong preference for "cute" characters (the bigger the eyes, the cuter) and small eyes are almost exclusively used to indicate a morally corrupt individual (i.e. Bad Guy). Mouths are used to portray emotion, but both mouths and noses tend to be small in manga and anime for that same need for "cute" (think of it as the common Japanese sense of beauty).

Not germaine to this thread, perhaps, but the very young, hyper characters (in anime )with the high pitched voices are explained by the appetite for "cute", too.  
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2005, 12:54:42 PM »
So SD characters evolved out of necessity?
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2005, 02:15:01 PM »
Well out of a cultural neccesity in that the Japanese animators needed to see comic characters portrayed in that way...watch a kibuki play and see how the fat, short character is mocked. Then you will understand Japanese humour.
Also SD is just so cute and crazy!!!
Anyways here is a pic that isnt SD!!!
Oh and er....happy new year!
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2005, 08:30:50 PM »
Is anime better than life...In a word no...nothing beats a real flesh and blood woman.. But through drawings we can explore where flesh and blood cannot go..We give our imagination full rain..This is the appeal of pen and ink to me ..  I can go anywhere, any time and take a character to any limit I desire.. I like them both  . For pure eroticism though I will stay with flesh and blood . cheers PE

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2005, 04:25:12 AM »
Yeah all im all about the flesh and blood...as long as it stays inside the skin. lol  
I should have named thsi thread "anime: as good as pictures of real women" to avoid confusion...damn those snappy appealing titles
Oh well here is something to whet your appetites!!!
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2005, 09:54:07 AM »
That does help me make sense of the technique a little better.
As to the nose and mouth playing second chair,
that also has an impact on the proportion of the head in
terms of having enough room to put everything without
getting too out of balance.

Another good point you brought up is about the American
outlook on cartoons. I did not realize it at the time, but
when I saw Akira for the first time, that was part of my
fascination with it, that it appealed to a more adult crowd
 as an animated story. Warner Bros used adult humor in their
 skits and I always thought those were just a cut above
everything else because it was not just one group of people
 that could identify with the character. That has more to do
 with dialogue and such though.

But what I mean to say is that in terms of drawn art as
'adult content' is that I think it might be more about the
advancement of an idea or situation that people entertain
rather than the actual physical appearance of something.

From my perspective, animé always had the kick ass
backgrounds and monsters to the effect of this massive
scale. The backgrounds in Akira for example, were so
stunning from the American point of view because of the
detail and scale of 'place' that American cartoons never
really pronounced. Warner Bros stuff uses this almost cubist
 type of background (well, maybe that's Chuck Jones) because
 all of the activity is occurring between the characters.
Tom and Jerry, the Quimby stuff, I still say is the absolute
 best cartoon ever because they had some of all those
elements, but that's my roots too so I am biased.

But here's another difference in my drawings and animé.
I use flat backgrounds, all the emphasis is on the girl.
With animé it's like you get this idea of a situation from
 the environment and the character interacts within that.
The character animation is often slower and choppier than
the pan and scan used on backgrounds. You might get 8-12
frames a second of character, so the detail is really more
symbolic  and even culture sensitive. That's why I must use
the mouth because I need something to express some kind of
reference point in terms of situational disposition of the character.
There is nothing else in the drawing to provide a
 relationship to her other than just crazy sex, but the
emphasis is definitely on the character and not necessarily
a situation, and you can then begin a discussion on the
original meanings of animé and manga as they relate to that
 context and not one of animated or static.

I guess what I am trying to get at is there are different
popular ways to conjure adult fantasy in the viewer when
dealing with line art rather than just photography.
I'm not sure if the original question was about is animé
better than pictures of real girls, or better than real
girls. Real girls can't be replaced. But in terms of media,
 photography often focuses like manga... the character or
model is the central focus. Using line art allows for easier
 conveyance of situations more like what I described with
animé, so the appeal is really fundamentally different for
some people although it may be meant to have the same results.

But again, it's always been easier to draw a pair of boobs
like we like and settle for that than to scour the earth
 looking for something that largely does not exist, yet.

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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2005, 10:14:27 AM »
Pretty much what he just said.
Well after the more intellectual dishes offered above i wish to present you with something rather tasty.
 
I think that this picture tells a timeless story within mere scratches of the pen and blotches of ink. I dont know what the chicken is a metaphor for...but i do understand the significance of rather immense breasts on a lovely slim lady!
Thank you Herald and Chronic especially for providing some deep analysis!!! Very interesting stuff
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Re: Anime? Better than life?
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2005, 11:00:21 AM »
That has to be the first time I've ever seen chickens do that...
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