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Nimrod

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Is she really BIG?
« on: December 03, 2005, 08:46:25 PM »
The start of all this was when I was reading an article on-line about a **29** and how buxom she now was. There was a link to a recent photo of her. Well, I did not think she was all that amazing. In fact, she looked rather normal, possibly a bit flatter than average.

That is when I caught myself. Had I become so spoiled by the BEA that my points of reference had become warped. Had life with my bosomy bunny Kithara made me blind to the proportions and assets of equally wonderful yet simply smaller women?

Just what makes a woman qualify as having a “big”, “large”, “huge” or whatever well-above-average chest? Is there any possible way to quantify this objectively? How could one possibly factor in all the various elements that come together to define apparent size?

So then the research began...

After a good deal of number crunching and reading several very dry articles on human proportions I have compiled a composite chart that should help answer the question -
“Is she really big?”

Yes, there is no single chart that will work for every women, however this is precisely the idea that started me out. Using the “average” woman as a base I looked for a way to relate height, built, weight, and cup size back to that average. I selected the BMI (body mass index) as one way to reduce the influence of body build when it came to cup size.

The resulting chart relates the percent of the female population to the bust / height in question. After much review I found that the 95 percentile was a logical braking point for when a woman moves “beyond her peers”. This is the only arbitrary boundary that I established. It was based off my review of clothing manufactures, from dresses to bras, who try and accommodate within the 95% range.

In other words, if the lady in question is larger than 95% of other women of the same height and BMI, she can truly be called big and well above average. Since bras a made in a series of increasing sizes that makes for a nice grid that can be superimposed. I also found that the 95% range worked well for maximum height and chest circumference - these also appear on the final chart.

Chart Cup Sizes-
I used A, B, C, D, E, F etc. just as if they were 1", 2", 3", 4", 5", 6" size differences. I am not about to tackle the whole DD, DDD, E, EE, etc. weirdness. These letters do not correspond to any one bra manufacture, but rather to the overall incremental bra size jumps. So if the tag says DDD, just understand that is probably is a F on the chart.

Adjusting for much higher or lower BMI’s-
This chart is centered on a BMI base value of 25 for ages from 25 to 55. For each BMI increase of 4, shift the small/average/large lines to the right one grid. So there is a shift at 29, 33, 37. If your BMI is less than 21 shift the regions one grid to the left. This adjusts for “build”. Realize that for a 5'-4" (162.6 cm) woman a shift of 4 in BMI is a change of around 25 lbs.(10.9kg).

The chest circumferences (values at the right) also move down on grid for each increase in BMI of 4 and up for each reduction of 4. Height is not affected as it is part of the BMI calculations. If the woman is above the chart height range, 5'-11" (180.3 cm) she is already taller than 95% of women, however she would need to have something in the G range to be considered big. (Not by me - but by bra makers, doctors, statisticians, and about 4 other sources)

Apart from my manufacturer derived boundary of the 95 percentile designation of “large” all the values that generated the 25, 50, 95, and 99 ranges were from extensive human proportion studies. (Cross-compared to bra manufactures)

I will not bore you with more of the data points and cross-checking that went into this...

And so, here it is.
The “Is She Really Big?” Chart.
 
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Nimrod

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »
Now before someone writes in saying something like -

“Hey I knew this chick back in high school that was like really thin, maybe 5'-7" and some friends said that she was like a 36 double-D, I know ‘cause I used to snap her strap in science class and your chart has her as average, but this girl looked huge!”

Realize that first that lady was under the minimum age of 25 on this chart. If she did not change in bra size and height and her BMI was 25, as you can see that on her 25th birthday she would rank at about the 95 percentile. Almost “Large” but still in the average range. If she went up a cup, shrank an inch, or dropped about 25 lbs then that would change it.

Also, the band sizes running down the right side of the chart are independent of height. This allows the band size to be related back into the percentage of the population at that BMI. If you have a 36" bra, you would be “Large” if it was an E (DD) cup because you would be above the 95 percentile at that BMI.

So before we get a whole bunch of posts like that - please try it out.
Confirm that the woman is between the ages of 25 and 55.
Confirm that their BMI is between 21 and 29, otherwise shift the grid as I mentioned
And then if they are within the top 5% then you have a large one on your hands...
Or large ones in your hands!



Other little bits my research turned up.
The average woman is just around 5'-4" (162.6cm) tall
The world average cup size is a tiny bit over a B
In North America and Europe they tend to run a tiny bit taller
In North America and Europe the cup size is not really any larger, still a B just fuller, due to the incremental nature of cup sizes.
In North America the average BMI is closer to 26.5
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cynic

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2005, 04:11:08 AM »
Too cerebral this early in the morning.  Need...more...coffee...

Anyway, sometimes looks can deceive us too.  In otherwords, a woman can look huge-busted and only be a DD, then others look kind of busty then you find out they are only a C, etc.

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pedonbio

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2005, 04:25:06 AM »
Oh, Joy!! According to your chart, Devon Daniels had very large boobs! Now I can **82** in peace.
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ZoD

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2005, 05:46:49 AM »
We should really have this stickied! im quite suprised when I think about some womens bra measurements, and find they are in totally different areas to where I thought!

Very good in making more logic from an illogical subject!
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G_I_John

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2005, 06:25:03 AM »
Query about the chart... is it physically possible for someone to be a 42A?

I mean, it's an option on there but it seems impossible

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smiley

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2005, 06:49:56 AM »
It's possible, just highly unlikely. Large/fat ribcage, flat boobs would do it...
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ZoD

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2005, 07:51:56 AM »
Ive seen some pretty large chested women but without any boobs. Just makes the old A cup seem a little pointless with all that rib to support it.
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Nimrod

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2005, 08:15:48 AM »
Quote:

It's possible, just highly unlikely. Large/fat ribcage, flat boobs would do it...




Yes, exactly! The chart does work for small cups, if that is what you are considering. It would answer the question of "Is She Really Small?"

In your example, a 42A - is well below the 25% line. Many more women with that band size will be larger than her. So she would be "small" versus the greater population. A 42B is on the low edge of "average".

Remember the band size approach reads on the horizontal. Where a woman actually is on the chart  is still tied into the grid points imposed by bra size jumps - that is why I ran the mathematical percentage lines through the chart.
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ZoD

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2005, 08:22:05 AM »
Well, like all these things there are exceptions to these rules e.g. a 5'6 girl with a 36G is hard to read on the chart. Generally however most women fit nicely into it. No data can ever be flawless but this is pretty good Nimrod.

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Nimrod

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2005, 09:32:55 AM »
Ah, remember that the band sizes on the right work independent of the height/cup grid. I was trying to reduce the number of factors needed to consider size. You need only have her height, BMI, and cup size. Adding band size into the mix just adds another value that the BMI was meant to factor in.

If you do not know her weight, then you can not calculate her BMI, so I related the band size back to the population regardless of height. That way the chart can still function (less accurately) if all you know is cup and band.

That is why at 5'-6" and a G cup a woman with a BMI of 25 - i.e. 156lbs.(70.8kg) - would be at the edge of "very large" or the 1% range.

However, if you only know that she is 5'-6" and a 36G then disregard the height and use only the band size and read horizontally. Without weight you can not confirm her BMI. Thus a 36G is slightly more rare and definitely in the "very large" range. But she could have a BMI of 33 and be much closer to average than her bra size would suggest. You just do not know.

You see, with only height and bra size there is no allowance for build. Provide her BMI and the chart  becomes much more specific.

Note: At BMI=25, a 5'-6" G cup is at about the 1% point or is equal to about 1 in 100 women of this age range and build. Bottom line is a G cup is rare at 36" at BMI's below 37.
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ZoD

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2005, 09:38:46 AM »
I think shes 60-65kg....not very heavy at all. Just checking and thanks for the clarification RE the x and y axis!  
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ZoD

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2005, 10:49:50 AM »
Ive just realised that because shes only 18....is the whole chart calculated to 25 year olds?
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chinchin

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2005, 11:16:46 AM »
Quote:

Query about the chart... is it physically possible for someone to be a 42A?

I mean, it's an option on there but it seems impossible





Actually, I personally know a thirty-something, five-foot-three woman who’s a size 42A.  Actually, she’s a tight fit in a 42A, but since nobody seems to make a size 44A, she’s stuck with what they make.  She’s a naturally stocky, big-boned, somewhat muscular girl, and yes, her small boobs have got to be hugely disappointing for her.

Actually, now that I think about it, I guess there’s probably lots of (non-implanted) female bodybuilders who might also fit a 42A bra.  Big, muscular chest and low bodyfat levels would certainly seem to do the same thing.

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Saint_Weapon

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Re: Is she really BIG?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2005, 02:41:01 PM »
Nimrod, this is excellent work! I'm already trying this out with a friend and his girlfriend