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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #645 on: January 12, 2020, 03:13:52 PM »
Anyone else worried that this thread was started by MasterXO?

...or that he hasn't been on the Forum since? Maybe he's regenerated?
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #646 on: January 28, 2020, 09:27:10 PM »
So they can't seem to ever stay away from Gallifrey.

Wasn't one of the big points with the launch of the New Series that they'd forget all the old continuity, wiping it out in a Time War, and start almost completely fresh?

Then, of course, they had to resurrect the Daleks. And Gallifrey. Then destroy Gallifrey again. Then bring it back. Then almost destroy it, then somehow bring it back again, and now destroy it once more. Heck, I've lost track.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, PEOPLE! Figure out if you want Gallifrey and the Time Lords to be a part of your Whoniverse, and STICK WITH YOUR DECISION.
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #647 on: January 29, 2020, 07:00:53 PM »
I don't watch Dr. Who, but it sounds a lot as if they have comic book writer's disease.

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #648 on: February 03, 2020, 11:37:08 AM »
So they can't seem to ever stay away from Gallifrey.

Wasn't one of the big points with the launch of the New Series that they'd forget all the old continuity, wiping it out in a Time War, and start almost completely fresh?

Then, of course, they had to resurrect the Daleks. And Gallifrey. Then destroy Gallifrey again. Then bring it back. Then almost destroy it, then somehow bring it back again, and now destroy it once more. Heck, I've lost track.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, PEOPLE! Figure out if you want Gallifrey and the Time Lords to be a part of your Whoniverse, and STICK WITH YOUR DECISION.

Not quite.

Originally, when Ecclestone was the Doctor, he stated that Gallifrey had been destroyed in the Time War. It was later found out that he himself was responsible.

We next see Gallifrey in the two part Tennant regeneration story 'The End of Time' where we find that the Time-Lords are trying to save Gallifrey by moving it out of it's time-locked state to somewhere in Earth's solar system using the 4 drumbeats that they placed in the Master's mind as a **09** as a homing signal. They briefly succeed but are sent back into the Time War by the Master, angry that his existence seemed to be simply to serve the Time-Lords as a means of escaping the Time War, meaning his life was a misery because of them, and the reason for his madness.

In the 50th Anniversary story we see that in fact, Gallifrey was not destroyed by the Doctor (the Doctor responsible being John Hurt's War Doctor), after an intervention by 13 Doctors, using a long-running calculation to send the planet into a pocket universe, the result being that the crossfire and resulting shockwave would destroy the Dalek fleet surrounding the planet.

The Doctor returns to Gallifrey in the episode Hell Bent, where he gets Rassilon exiled!

The next we hear (and then see) of Gallifrey is in the current series (Spyfall episode 2) when the Master says he went to Gallifrey and saw it in ruins. The Doctor, not believing him, goes back to Gallifrey and sees for herself that Gallifrey is in ruins. The Master later informs the Doctor using a hologram message that he was responsible for its destruction. This may or may not refer back to the prophecy spoken of in Hell Bent, where it was mentioned that a creature called the Hybrid would be responsible for the destruction of Gallifrey and stand in its ruins.

Which makes me think that the logical thing to do would be for the next showrunner to reverse it all again and bring Gallifrey back!

Watching the new series (11 AND 12) and seeing hjow much is copied from the Tennant era, I get the feeling Chibnall is not a fan of Moffat's time as showrunner as he seems to ignore anything from his era and has reversed Moffat's decision to bring Gallifrey back.

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #649 on: February 04, 2020, 10:26:12 AM »
one note I've seen discussed is a lot of the current season is cribbed from season 3. which seems to add up.

I feel the aliens from Spyfall are going to appear at the end and turn out to be .... cybermen

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #650 on: March 02, 2020, 07:39:07 PM »
Well, there *were* Cybermen in the Season Finale....and The Master....and a whole lot of other stuff that made zero sense.

The final two-parter looked great, the acting was very good, but.... by Rassilon's Big Toe, that was a whole lot of "WTF are you trying to do?" Questions we wanted to be answered weren't, and new questions were asked without any reason for bringing them up in the first place. Chibnall is making me look kindly on John Nathan Turner....
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #651 on: March 02, 2020, 08:22:04 PM »
I haven't watched the latest episode yet but I hear a lot of angst coming from DW fans over it.
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #652 on: March 03, 2020, 02:05:37 AM »
It was a total travesty. When I have more time I will rant about it!

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #653 on: March 03, 2020, 09:41:27 PM »
You know all the lore that had been built up about The Doctor and his role in Time Lord History?

How (to summarize very briefly what was going on the Classic Series) he was a key player in the origin of the Time Lords - but his exact role was unspecified, he probably became president (if you accept The Five Doctors as being canonical) and then got fed up with the place for a very good reason, and either was exiled or left in a huff?

You know, that stuff that all of Fandom accepted?

Chibnall chucked it all out the window.

True, the acting was outstanding and the production values were great, but come on.....
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« Reply #654 on: March 10, 2020, 06:42:19 PM »
Now that the dust has settled, and I've had a bit more time to think about the episode, there's one aspect of The Doctor's past that I haven't seen anyone yet comment on:

Where does Susan fit in all of this?

Seems everyone has forgotten that she was with The Doctor when he fled Gallifrey. Why did he take her? Who was she?

So let's see what I can come up with for "The Timeless Children" that preserves what we knew before the episode, most of what we saw in it, while getting rid of the worst stuff.

We know that:

The Doctor was involved way back in the beginning of the Time Lords and Gallifrey. His exact role is unknown, but he ranks right up there with Rassilon, Omega, and "The Other" in importance.

He said the reason he left Gallifrey was that he was exiled - but later on it seemed as if the exile was more a matter of his own choice than his being forced to leave.

He might have even served as president for a while; whatever the case may have been, he certainly held a very high office in their ranks.

Under normal circumstances, there is a limit to the number of times a Time Lord can regenerate - and they can regenerate at will, if they want.

Now, if (what I recall of the events in) Lungbarrow is canonical:

Way back in the beginning, there was some sort of major crisis that led to a huge decline in fertility of the Gallifreyans. Instead of the normal process, they came up with "looms" to essentially artificially reproduce. The Sisterhood of Karn had something to do with it, as well as the whole process of regeneration. Susan was somehow a key figure in the events.

So.....

Way back in the beginning during the Fertility Crisis (but after time travel had been discovered - and Rassilon laid down the law about looking in to the future of the Time Lords and all that), The Doctor was working with The Division, an elite government research team, on coming up with the solution. He invented / discovered "regeneration" (and was able to give it to himself before the gov't / Time Lords found out - and put limits on the number of regenerations). When he found out that The Division was testing the process on children (maybe he was given access to that information when he became president?), he grabbed one of the test subjects (Susan), stole a TARDIS, and fled. He would later give the Sisterhood of Karn the secret of unlimited regeneration - just in case. Presumably he gave the ability to Susan as well.

When the Time Lords found out about his flight, they slapped a sentence of exile on him ("If you ever set foot on Gallifrey again....."). Later on, however, after a change in the government of Gallifrey and the Time Lords, the sentence was lifted. But for personal political reasons, The Doctor prefers to have as little to do with them as possible.
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #655 on: March 11, 2020, 07:14:42 PM »
You know all the lore that had been built up about The Doctor and his role in Time Lord History?

How (to summarize very briefly what was going on the Classic Series) he was a key player in the origin of the Time Lords - but his exact role was unspecified, he probably became president (if you accept The Five Doctors as being canonical) and then got fed up with the place for a very good reason, and either was exiled or left in a huff?

You know, that stuff that all of Fandom accepted?

Chibnall chucked it all out the window.

True, the acting was outstanding and the production values were great, but come on.....


So, basically, Doctor Who has jumped the shark?

This is a travesty. Still haven't seen the episode and now I'm afraid to :D
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« Reply #656 on: October 31, 2020, 10:47:45 PM »
As it was Hallowe'en I decided to watch one of the more creepy Doctor Who episodes to round off the night, so I chose the classic Tennant era episode by Steven Moffat, 'Blink'. An unusual episode as it was the 'Doctor-Lite' episode for that year, allowing them to film two episodes at once to save time. It features the Doctor only briefly but Moffat writes it in a way that you always feel the presence of the Doctor in the background. The 'main' role is taken by talented actress Carey Mulligan, who (no pun intented) went on to greater things.

It is anniversary month this month and for the anniversary I have not decided which episode I should watch. I have already watched The Day of the Doctor this year, so may go for The Five Doctors instead, the 20th anniversary romp.

Watching theses Tennant era episodes really does throw up the shortcoming of the Chibnall era. Despite series 12 being better than 11, I still feel it is not a patch on the Moffat or Davies eras, and I have a new found appreciation for even the weakest of their episodes now.

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #657 on: November 02, 2020, 06:59:22 PM »
Have you seen "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot"?
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #658 on: November 02, 2020, 07:13:50 PM »
Have you seen "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot"?

Yes I have, it was very good.

Great suggestion too for watching on the 23rd of November!

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #659 on: January 10, 2021, 11:59:01 AM »
Anyone watch the New Year's 'special'?

I haven't watched it yet. I did however spend the year watching all the Christmas specials, one a month. It is funny, the show is so bad now that even the Christmas specials from the past that I didn't enjoy that much at the time of broadcast now seem very much better by comparison.