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gmantwo · « **Reply #165 on:** November 23, 2008, 10:48:29 PM »

Just because she isn't a teacher doesn't mean she isn't union. Lots of paraprofessional unions exist. Morality clauses aren't that common these days either. I think the statements made in the article from those in charge indicates they don't think anything can be done even if they could. CGs lying about her past just confirms she was a stripper; can't believe much they say.

wabbitslayer · « **Reply #166 on:** November 24, 2008, 06:35:17 AM »

Will everyone who is claiming that she needs to be held to some sort of higher morality standard please inform us as to what YOU are doing at a porn site?

derf79 · « **Reply #167 on:** November 24, 2008, 07:13:36 AM »

Little Johnny brought a gun to school today...but lets worry about the retired dancer serving pizza in the lunchroom!

Morality my ass. None of these parents have never been naked in front of someone else and I'm sure they ALL waited until they were married to have sex. Right?

Sheesh. What a load of crap this is.

MasterDragonfly · « **Reply #168 on:** November 24, 2008, 05:43:30 PM »

It's starting to sound that morality clauses focus only on what is publicly known. Meaning, you could be Mr and Mrs Freaky Deaky at home with a dedicated BDSM room in your basement, and so long as it doesn't become public knowledge, you can be a teacher.

Lesson learned: If you're going to get into porn, wear a wig and a mask, and go by a pseudonym. This way, you can always fall back on a career teaching k1ds later in life.

Angelus · « **Reply #169 on:** November 24, 2008, 06:22:44 PM »

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MasterDragonfly said:
It's starting to sound that morality clauses focus only on what is publicly known. Meaning, you could be Mr and Mrs Freaky Deaky at home with a dedicated BDSM room in your basement, and so long as it doesn't become public knowledge, you can be a teacher.

Lesson learned: If you're going to get into porn, wear a wig and a mask, and go by a pseudonym. This way, you can always fall back on a career teaching k1ds later in life.

Exactly. MD is showing my point. Morality in private is one thing. Morality in public is another thing. In your own house, out of the public eye, you can do whatever you want.

A lot of people in this thread are taking the hard stand because of who Crystal is. But the young people involved aren't YOUR offspring, and the parents and the school board have a right to raise a fuss over who is teaching and watching them.

Being a school board member is an elected position. If Crystal was outed and they didn't do anything about it, you have parents - and voters - to answer to.

zeo · « **Reply #170 on:** November 24, 2008, 11:22:42 PM »

I've been reading this site for years and if I saw her on the street I wouldn't know who she was. Someone in that town studies porn so they can be 'outraged'.

Now as far as a threat to children, I really couldn't care less about some lunch lady that has a second job showing off her breasts. The far more important issue is the various conditioning and dumbing down that is done in the schools, not some lunch lady's other job.

Swill · « **Reply #171 on:** November 25, 2008, 03:05:39 AM »

"So her claim - that was listed in the article - that she said she was out of the business for FIVE years - is very, very false."

She definitely shouldn't have lied about her recent career. In fact, her first boy/girl scene (handjob in Tits & Tugs), was likely filmed within the last 18 months.

ILikeBoobies · « **Reply #172 on:** November 25, 2008, 04:07:42 AM »

Clearly, only those persons who strive for the highest of moral standards should be allowed around our youth. I suggest all teachers should be replaced with Catholic priests.

Seriously though. If her contract has a "morality clause" then I guess that's that. Obviously I'm in agreement with a lot of people here that there's nothing immoral about it, as long she isn't getting naked in the school or something.

I guess this is an important cautionary tale; a lot of women should probably consider the lifelong consequences of working in the adult industry if they ever intend to have a family, be around other families, or leave the house. (In a similar vein, wasn't there some sort of issue a few years ago where the ideepthroat couple were "outed" by their local newspaper?) It's unfortunate.

pedonbio · « **Reply #173 on:** November 25, 2008, 10:43:29 AM »

I repeat what I wrote above: Both the school board's attorney and the school district attorney have said that there is no basis for firing her.

There is no contractual "morals clause".

Moreover, I don't think she's lying about anything. I say, for example, that I was in the business from 1973 to 1982. That was when I was doing almost nothing but sex industry work. Last week I consulted with a local club owner, and next week I'm seeing a client about some escorting issues. But if you asked me, I'd say I've been out of the business since 1982.

Real · « **Reply #174 on:** November 25, 2008, 10:57:37 AM »

what are they really afraid of when you think aobut it?

she gonna walk by the slide tower one day and not be able to resist the urge to start pole dancing in front of the children?

again, lying about it is the only thing she's done wrong. makes it seem like she thinks its shameful too...

Harvey_Birdman · « **Reply #176 on:** November 25, 2008, 02:14:45 PM »

Well...it's no longer a local news story. Just saw CNN is doing a piece on it today. While I am sympathetic to much of what has been said on this matter, having been both an educator and an attorney (but NOT a parent) I am inclined to say that Angleus is pretty spot-on with his assessment of the prism through which this incident is viewed by parents of school children, school boards, administrations, etc. I taught with teachers who were unapologetic about their massive drug use during the 60s and 70s and yet parents REQUESTED their students be put in the guy's class. But in America, sex is different.

If I can offer an educator's perspective though... students hate some teachers but IDOLIZE others. That is possibly the parents' fear...that impressionable female students would LIKE Crystal and somehow see her as setting an example to follow.

The flaw here is that Crystal never attempted to let them know of her past. But, now that it's known, well...you can't put that genie back in the bottle. Now you would have parents claiming that they don't want their children thinking that you can find "decent" employment after a life in the adult entertainment industry (even though those parents' actions make it a self-fulfilling prophecy) and so it's okay to do it when you're younger like "cool" teacher-aide Ms. Crystal.

Should people be more enlightened and not so puritanical? Probably. But do parents have the right to be very protective of their [censored]? Yep. As an attorney, I am proud we have laws that technically protect Crystal in this situation (if her lying doesn't cost her). But I can also say that when a school wants to get rid of someone, they will find a way. So I suspect she will move on to something or somewhere else eventually.

My two cents anyway... I doubt the CNN piece will spend much time on Crystal's side of the argument.

On the upside, maybe she'll get back into the biz...and we get to see more of her fantastic boobs! (just kidding...my heart actually goes out to her in this situation).

Mercerwatch · « **Reply #177 on:** November 25, 2008, 02:51:12 PM »

Having had hands on experience with Crystal at Expo a few years back, Im just saying that it'd be one hell of a parent-teacher "conference".

BarneyFife · « **Reply #178 on:** November 25, 2008, 03:08:41 PM »

Playing devil's advocate I wonder if Crystal told school officials of her past if she would have had the chance to be a teacher's aide?

zeo · « **Reply #179 on:** November 25, 2008, 07:44:48 PM »

on the 'lie' it could all come down to interpretation. They are calling her a 'porn star' and if she hasn't done a porn movie in 5 years which is what is typically associated with the term, then that could be all there is to it. The media often gets the details very screwed up.

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