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 I saw a commercial for Crystal Light (an additive to bottled water) on TV the other day, and their motto was, "Is your water pale?" I never would have guessed that bottled water would ever have grown into such a huge industry. It makes absolutely no sense to me, especially since I live where tap water is plentiful and just as healthy as bottled water. Some cultural changes come as no surprise to me. For instance, I wouldn't have guessed specifically that baggy droopy-drawer pants would be popular for men, but it doesn't surprise me that a clothing style that I define as weird would come in vogue.

What changes in your culture today (however you define "culture") would you never had predicted? A couple of mine:
Ring tone mania: I mean, cell phones come as no big technological surprise, but I never would have thought that people would be spending big bucks on the ring tones.
The swell of support for gay marriage: It doesn't seem like that long ago that benefits for same-sex domestic partners was a cutting-edge issue, and now legally recognized marriage seems close to becoming a reality in several states. I don't think a lot of people much younger than me appreciate what a huge change to a fundamental institution this is.
 
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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 08:51:10 PM »
I was discussing a similar theme with cherri the other day, specifically how I couldn't imagine my parents sitting around on computers side-by-side most every night (as we are wont to do).  She replied that our grandparents probably couldn't imagine our parents gathered around the TV every night.

It's also easy to forget how bloody convenient the likes of Google is.  For example, does anyone else here still pull out a copy of the Yellow Pages (or White Pages, for that matter) in order to get a phone number?  I don't.  When our copy gets dropped off, it goes... somewhere.  I'm not sure I could find ours now if I needed it.

As for what recent cultural changes have surprised me, I'm sure there are a few, but the one which immediately springs to mind is seeing a k!d of about 8 (+/- 2 years) whip out a cell phone to take a call from his parents.  I like the premise behind the idea (ie, being able to reach your [censored] in a pinch), although I do wonder how common it is to lose the phone at that age (or to forfeit as the result of bullying or rough play).

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 09:14:43 PM »
I would never have predicted this vomitous mass of reality TV we step through.  For me, TV is escapism.  Why would I want to watch my neighbor eat maggots on some reality show?  Answer: no compelling reason.  What the fuck is wrong with people?
To paraphrase Poul Anderson, "Intelligence is a wonderful thing. It provides us with reasons for doing what we were going to do anyway."

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 10:00:40 PM »
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I would never have predicted this vomitous mass of reality TV we step through.  For me, TV is escapism.  Why would I want to watch my neighbor eat maggots on some reality show?  Answer: no compelling reason.  What the fuck is wrong with people?




Greed.  That's what's wrong with them.  Kind of like a friend of mine who is loaded(about 4 mil) and he plays the lottery every week.  Greedy fucker.

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 10:08:37 PM »
The swift and LIFE-changing rise of Tivo and other digital video recorders. I mean...my god. It's become so commonplace, when even just a year and a half ago this sort of thing was unthinkable to most people. Unthinkable! And yet within MINUTES of hooking it up I realized I had no idea how I'd lived without it, and knew I could never be without it again. I have friends who, when they moved out on their own, decided to forego other, more extremely necessary things so they could have enough to pay for DVR every month because they could no longer function in their private lives without it. I know the same to be true of myself. When I'm at the home of someone who doesn't have it, I'm fidgety, antsy, wretchedly impatient. I can barely even watch movies or read anymore because what was left of my attention span and patience after regular television killed them was taken away from me by DVR. Pausing and rewinding live television! What a fucking phenomenon. People who are you and don't know any different don't realize what a massive, massive luxury that is. Or how such a tiny technological development has changed our culture and spoiled us terribly.

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 12:33:31 AM »
  Sexual costumes among teeens (bad writing for the cesorship thing) is what really surprised me.

At present day in Italy there are more and more stories about young teeen girls who take naked pics of themselves and then share it in peer to peer systems or transmit them by mobile phone to the people of their own school. The same happaens with full sexual acts.

I am not so old, I am 31. But I remember how prude the girls were when I was at the highschool. A froend of mine who's 25 told me the same.

Probably it is the internet: pronography is easy at hand and it became a normal standard to show themselves in sexual acts or in a sexy pose.


Damn...I was born too soon...

Then I agree with the reality show surprise (do really peole watch those craps?) and people with rapper pants (they look so stupid to me)

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 06:57:56 AM »
That's a tough question -- separating extreme but predictable developments from ones you never saw coming.

My choices are:
1) The social power of the internet. If you'd asked me in 1992  what the internet would be, I'd have predicted it would never be anything but shopping, porn, and information. I never thought people would live as much of their lives through it as they do today.

2) The political polarization of the US around religious conservative issues. The religious right was around for so long (10-15 yrs at least) without really being a dominant force, that by 1990 I would have predicted it never would gain any more power. All of a sudden, after the 1992 election, the religious right (the "base" of today) just exploded into control of the Republican party and now defines the major political/social divide in America.

3) Anime. When I was little, Japanimation was cheap, cheezy, low-value afternoon programming for schooltykes (God I hate the censor). "Real" cartoons were Disney, and the Warner Bros stuff from the 1940s and 1950s. Even "new" stuff like Pink Panther, and Rocky and Bullwinkle was made in the 1960s. I still am blown away that Japanimation is now the dominant style of comic illustration, cartooning, and movie animation. What was originally a cheap alternative to traditional animation has become the preferred style of 2 generations -- talk about making a silk purse from a sow's ear!

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 10:04:16 AM »
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2) The political polarization of the US around religious conservative issues. The religious right was around for so long (10-15 yrs at least) without really being a dominant force, that by 1990 I would have predicted it never would gain any more power. All of a sudden, after the 1992 election, the religious right (the "base" of today) just exploded into control of the Republican party and now defines the major political/social divide in America.





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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 07:48:34 PM »
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  Sexual costumes among teeens (bad writing for the cesorship thing) is what really surprised me.

At present day in Italy there are more and more stories about young teeen girls who take naked pics of themselves and then share it in peer to peer systems or transmit them by mobile phone to the people of their own school. The same happaens with full sexual acts.
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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 08:21:45 PM »
The Emo Craze in Teens. I never expected that. Now I am not going to pretend that I am much older than the 20(I don't like talking about my age) but the Emo craze amazed me. The pattern in all of culture had kept since the 1950s. There were rebelious teenagers, the usual teenagers (nothing out of the normal) and the unpopular sub-grouping teenagers (who collectively out-number both groups).

Emo however skips this pattern completely. They would account in the unpopular but have gained enough to become "the usual" however are still mocked as the unpopular. They claim to be rebelious but lack any ability to be rebelious.... They claim to be unpopular but populate the planet like insects! They have taken a piece of old teen cultures including NES love and over-done make-up! THEY DESTROYED MY THEORY!

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 11:29:16 PM »
And they act as though they're the ugly outcasts, when (at least in my experience) they're often quite hot. They're a strange anomaly.

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 12:06:20 AM »
  What's EMO teeenagers?

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 12:40:45 AM »
Imagine if a goth and a hippy had a [censored] .. and they beat it every day and locked it in the basement and fed it cold porridge for dinner ...  

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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 04:18:40 AM »
I'm sorry I don't have 21 minutes to watch some underaged idiot.  I'm fast approaching 39 and I think I'm also too old for bullshit laden morons who couldn't hold a job if thier lives depended on it.
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Re: What Cultural Changes Have Caught You Completely By Surprise?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 04:55:50 AM »
txt speak.  I hate it!  I was helping my brat with his homework the other day and he was going to write 'b.c' in place of 'because'.  My shriek alarmed him and I had to calm us both down and explain that that's not the way you should be writing it or it will encourage you to develop bad habits.  He responded with "My teacher has a bad habit.  She does it a lot."  Having received a number of e-mails from this woman, it doesn't surprise me.

I'm with Goldeneye on the TiVo thingie.  I can no longer watch a show "live".  The ability to be able to skip through the ads has become expected now.  It infuriates me when I get the gong sound, telling me I can't skip any further ahead.  It's allowed a more active social life (not that I have much of one ).  I can go out at any time and not have to make the excuse that whatever activity clashes with Boston Legal or something.  It was emancipating to discover I was no longer a slave to the TV schedule.  However, now I'm a slave to my TiVo.  When we go to the movies and I don't quite catch what someone has said, I'm searching for my remote to rewind and catch it again.  Only it doesn't exist in the outside world.
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