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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1815 on: February 26, 2010, 04:37:41 AM »
I have to say I am fairly impartial but maybe tend to lean to the right a little.  I do believe that the off topic forum is open to start something of this nature.  If you don't agree, then don't visit the thread.  I think in this forum he had every right to start this thread as long as it isn't rude and insulting, which it is not.  There is no reason to tell him to leave here.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I don't think he is doing something wrong just for starting a thread that may harbor beliefs different from your own.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1816 on: February 26, 2010, 10:01:42 AM »
When right-wing/neoconservative Republicans continue to trumpet the scary phrase "government takeover of the healthcare system" I keep on asking them: what about the VA system? what about Medicare/Medicaid?

I've looked at the rabid, oft-times completely irrational opposition to Pres. Obama and what he has been trying to do over the past year. I look at people who are ready to declare his one-year presidency a failure, as if it would be possible to clear away the detritus of eight years in the blink of an eye. I look at people who talk about him as if he came to power via a coup, when instead he was voted into power by the American people fair and square, 66 million votes to McCain's 58 million. I look at some people and hear the hatred dripping from their voices when they refer to him, they call him all sorts of names, they associate him with the most evil men in history. And then I watched the health care summit that Pres. Obama organized yesterday, and I began to come to a conclusion that I had long avoided, even if it is the simplest -- but Occam's Razor says that "the simplest explanation or strategy, tends to be the best one". That conclusion is explained in two minutes by Frank Schaeffer here.

With great sadness, I must agree with him. And I believe that the onus is on every person who is in such rabid, unheeding, frothing-at-the-mouth opposition to our President to prove that the reason that Mr. Schaeffer expounded is not applicable to them. Especially here at the BEA Forum.

Oh, and I agree with shara: I, too, do not take kindly to having my words spun around 180 degrees, nor do I appreciate being lumbered with a label like "leftist", especially when the person or persons throwing that word around have no concept of what that word (and many others such as "liberal", "socialist", "conservative", etc.) actually means.  
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1817 on: February 26, 2010, 10:37:23 AM »
Oh I agree with that completeLee M, but I'm afraid that with out me giving Q a little razzing from time to time this thread might be a bit devoid of any posts if only "righties" are permitted to visit here.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1818 on: February 26, 2010, 10:52:35 AM »
There's a left wing in the USA? I thought there was only right and further right.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1819 on: February 26, 2010, 11:13:46 AM »
There's a left wing in the USA? I thought there was only right and further right.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1820 on: February 26, 2010, 11:48:43 AM »
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 Get most of your news from television comics (Behar, O'Donnell, Stewart, Colbert, Sharpton, Letterman, Maher, Whoopi, etc.) and all you'll know is sarcasm and mordacity.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1821 on: February 26, 2010, 12:43:10 PM »
That poll is over 6 months old. Got anything more recent, now that the general public has more time to analyze the bill Congress trying to cram through?
Been over a year, and this is cramming through?
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1822 on: February 26, 2010, 01:06:23 PM »
There's a left wing in the USA? I thought there was only right and further right.

In a global perspective that seems to be pretty true. I think FOX is pretty convinced that Europe is still full of commies... but then, they tell a lot of people what to think. I think most people living in Europe giggle slightly when they see teabaggers with signs reading "HEALTH CARE REFORM = SOCIALISM!" etc. But yes, I think it seems pretty reasonable to say American politics as it exists is centre right, right and plain batshit crazy right.

But I hardly see a reason to condemn people for wanting to express their political views. If anything, discourse is better when it's just like and like - then no one's views get challenged and everyone stays happy.

Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1823 on: February 26, 2010, 02:08:22 PM »
Out of curiousity, can anyone provide a figure for what we've spent on the undeclared wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?

I am not prepared to start pointing fingers for blame over national debt until I know the cost of those misadventures.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1824 on: February 26, 2010, 02:16:39 PM »
Shouldn't someone point out the fact Japan spends 1/3rd as much per capita on healthcare and the average life expectancy is 6 years higher? And that America, despite what some Republicans might say isn't even in the top 20 for health care?

I've got my beefs with the NHS, sure... but I can honestly say that it has done well by me and my family. Let me see if I can dig up the BBC news link I'm thinking of... Ah, here we go.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1825 on: February 26, 2010, 04:50:50 PM »
First, I have to say to Onion on behalf of his new avatar: KOLCHAK RULES!  He was the first and best X-Files investigator! ;D

If there's one thing I hate to see after all this time, it's Zook sounding disspirited, so I'll make a new comment.  Not long ago I wondered if O could turn out to be a tragic figure of American history -- and I still think that's possible.  But my own response to the summit is to begin to wonder if O is a bit Kennedyesque after all.  Kennedy was young, new, untested, intent on covering himself by surrounding himself with Halberstam's "best and brightest," so-called "Wise Men," and he still misstepped in his first year.  Yet he was relentless in his energy and his high learning curve, and as his administration wore on his strength gathered.  For whatever it's worth to anyone, that's how I'm feeling about 2010 right now.  I think O will see an upswing by year's end.  Not that this opinion really matters one way or another, but I thought I would state it just this once -- so that I can then sit back and see how it will stack up against other opinions, the sort which keep getting repeated day after day after day.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1826 on: February 26, 2010, 07:24:11 PM »
I have to say I am fairly impartial but maybe tend to lean to the right a little.  I do believe that the off topic forum is open to start something of this nature.  If you don't agree, then don't visit the thread.  I think in this forum he had every right to start this thread as long as it isn't rude and insulting, which it is not.  There is no reason to tell him to leave here.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I don't think he is doing something wrong just for starting a thread that may harbor beliefs different from your own.

Frankly, I strongly disagree. The BEA stands for Breast Expansion Archive. This is a place where we discuss breasts growing from every possible conceivable angle. The off topic forum is where we discuss anything that isn't part of that category. So we have joke threads, threads about current events, random little games, discussions about all things serious and silly. We ALREADY have the threads for politics which is where you can discuss things (hopefully) calmly and rationally.

This isn't the place to make threads for left and right wing views. If you're looking for an entire forumlike minded individuals, there are countless political forums out there. I'm all for an open and rational (which we're actually usually pretty good at) discussion from all different angles. But we really don't need a thread to act as a safe haven for different political views. That's like...hrm. That's like having 2 threads that are pro-pants and anti-pants* instead of one just discussing all of its aspects together.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1827 on: February 26, 2010, 08:38:41 PM »
I was kind of thinking the same thing, Jessie. Perhaps we could think of this thread as the Right Wing Ghetto.  ;D

Seriously, I have no true objection to this thread if Q_BE feels safer in here (snicker), but he and everyone else is welcome to start a thread on ANY topic and express their opinion without fear of loss to your life and property. IMHO, the premise of this thread is to favor the conservative viewpoint when we don't even have a topic to begin with.  ???


For the record, I've long considered myself a moderate (IOW, "on the fence") politically, with a slight lean to the liberal viewpoint. The "Bush Jr." years pushed me firmly into whomever is against the Republicans and the Far / Religious Right. Of course, I still believe in considering each individual on their own merits (Democrats included), but the Republican Party has a strong grip on their members to vote the party platform, AFAIK.  ::)
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1828 on: February 26, 2010, 11:18:32 PM »
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1829 on: February 26, 2010, 11:57:41 PM »
Out of curiousity, can anyone provide a figure for what we've spent on the undeclared wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?

I am not prepared to start pointing fingers for blame over national debt until I know the cost of those misadventures.

Watch the numbers rise!

http://www.costofwar.com/
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