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« Reply #5910 on: May 23, 2017, 03:35:56 AM »
Pres. Obama went to Saudi Arabia, and gave a polite bow to his host. We never heard the last of it, especially from Drumpf.

Now Drumpf goes to Saudi Arabia, and literally curtseys to his host. Not a bow, a curtsy. You know, what WOMEN do when they meet a king or a queen. Of course his apologists tried their best to lie about it, but the video is pretty clear.

Well, at least Number 3 Wife ain't having any of it.

Seems the US administration made the video being deleted at Youtube. It's gone.
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« Reply #5911 on: May 23, 2017, 08:29:14 PM »
Donnie Boy stopped at Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust Memorial, for the usual wreath laying ceremony. Like many dignitaries, he wrote a message in the guest book.

First Lady Laura Bush, in 2005:

"Each life is precious. Each memory calls us to action to honor those lost. We committ (sic) ourselves to reject hatred and to teach tolerance and live in peace."

President George Bush, 2008:

"God Bless Israel"

Senator Barack Obama, 2008:

"I am grateful to Yad Vashem and all of those responsible for this remarkable institution. At a time of great peril and promise, war and strife, we are blessed to have such a powerful reminder of man's potential for great evil, but also our capacity to rise up from tragedy and remake our world. Let our children come here, and know this history, so that they can add their voices to proclaim 'never again.' And may we remember those who perished, not only as victims, but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us, and who have become symbols of the human spirit."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, 2009:

"Yad Vashem is a testament to the power of truth in the face of denial, the resilience of the human spirit in the face of despair, the triumph of the Jewish people over murder and destruction and a reminder to all people that the lessons of the Holocaust must never be forgotten. God bless Israel and its future."

President Donald Trump, 2017:

"It is a great honor to be here with all of my friends — so amazing and will never forget!"

I'm so embarrassed for the US that I feel I have to go there and apologize personally to Israel.....
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« Reply #5912 on: May 23, 2017, 09:48:42 PM »

Seems the US administration made the video being deleted at Youtube. It's gone.

"The US administration" can't make YouTube take down a video of a US head of state on a state visit, for the same reason why the products of NASA are available to Americans (with proper attribution) free of charge. He's bad but he's not that bad :) The video is still up. It's just that for some reason a lot of the videos I post with the "don't show related videos" flag enabled don't seem to link properly.

And besides, anything on the Internet is forever. But on the off-chance that Drumpf's minions go all Gestapo on us, I have attached the video attached to this thread. Enjoy.
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« Reply #5913 on: May 23, 2017, 09:53:48 PM »

Donnie Boy stopped at Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust Memorial, for the usual wreath laying ceremony. Like many dignitaries, he wrote a message in the guest book...

"It is a great honor to be here with all of my friends — so amazing and will never forget!"

I'm so embarrassed for the US that I feel I have to go there and apologize personally to Israel.....

This is why my atheist friends are so convinced that there is no God...if He existed, they say, He would have immediately smote that man, and all the neo-Nazis on his staff, on the spot.
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« Reply #5914 on: May 26, 2017, 03:40:47 PM »
Oh dear...

“The Germans are bad, really bad,” Mr Trump said, according to Spiegel magazine.“Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US. It’s terrible. We’ll put a stop to that.”

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« Reply #5915 on: May 26, 2017, 05:48:03 PM »
...and a majority of them are manufactured in the States.

Its something that Donald hasn't seen before...a successful business practice.

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« Reply #5916 on: May 26, 2017, 07:32:47 PM »
An interesting and worthwhile essay in Vox recently:

"It may be time to disobey the commander in chief" by  Will Wilkinson, May 26, 2017

No, Wilkinson is not promoting rebellion or even civil disobedience. Rather, it's an essay on "What is 'legitimacy' and why does it matter?" - as applied to the Presidency.

"Political power is backed by violence. It is inherently dangerous and the temptation to abuse it is great. That is why it is essential that the people who wield power have the right to do so, and why political theorists spend so much time thinking about when they do have that right, and when they don’t.

"Political authority is legitimate only when it is exercised according to the legal rules and social norms that keep it aligned with the public interest and prevent its egregious abuse. When a leader flagrantly violates those rules and norms, he effectively voids the legitimacy of his claim to power. His authority becomes authoritarian and his power becomes despotic.

"Authority is power — the power to create reasons for action and obligations of compliance in others. But this power depends entirely on the authority being real or legitimate.

He goes deep into political philosophy (with lots of polysyllabic words). But it's worth reading all of his argument, as it is impossible to summarize.

"The stability of the American constitutional order requires that each branch of the government accord some measure of respect and deference to the others. If that division of power breaks down, the rule of law corrodes and the moral basis of the government’s authority to govern breaks down, too.

"So when Trump attacks the legitimacy of the judiciary, he attacks the system of delicately balanced and constrained power that gives him authority....

"When he fires his own FBI director to evade inquiry into his administration’s possible malfeasance, describing Comey as a 'nut job,' he undermines the legitimacy of the executive branch’s internal oversight mechanisms, which are critical to ensuring that presidents are held accountable to the law. With every blow to the legitimacy of the institutions that protect Americans from the abuse of unconstrained power, Trump weakens his own claim to authority — and, in turn, weakens the duties of citizens, soldiers, and bureaucrats to behave as if he has any.

(emphasis mine, for a TL;DR summary if you are looking for one)
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #5917 on: May 27, 2017, 07:10:35 AM »
America first in behavior :o


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« Reply #5918 on: May 27, 2017, 10:55:23 PM »
America first in behavior :o

Reminds me of the time in 1996 where Trump showed up uninvited at a ribbon-cutting ceremony for a nursery school for children with AIDS.

As the Washington Post later reported,

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“Nobody knew he was coming,” said Abigail Disney, another donor sitting on the dais. “There’s this kind of ruckus at the door, and I don’t know what was going on, and in comes Donald Trump. [He] just gets up on the podium and sits down.”

Trump was not a major donor. He was not a donor, period. He’d never given a dollar to the nursery or the Association to Benefit Children, according to Gretchen Buchenholz, the charity’s executive director then and now.

But now he was sitting in Fisher’s seat, next to Giuliani.

“Frank Gifford turned to me and said, ‘Why is he here?’ ” Buchenholz recalled recently. By then, the ceremony had begun. There was nothing to do.

It's quite clear that Trump loves all the trappings of the office, but doesn't give a rat's ass about doing the work.
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« Reply #5919 on: May 28, 2017, 08:01:10 AM »
BTW, the end of that story is that after the photo-opportunity and meal, when other people were writing checks to the charity, Trump and his entourage left. He never made a donation to that charity, before, during, or after.

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« Reply #5920 on: May 28, 2017, 09:33:44 AM »
America first in behavior :o



The problem is, the european leaders choosen to ignore his behaviour. The only correct action would have been to shove him back to the rear. And on other occassions close his microphone and deport him from the podium.
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« Reply #5921 on: May 28, 2017, 06:34:47 PM »
BTW, the end of that story is that after the photo-opportunity and meal, when other people were writing checks to the charity, Trump and his entourage left. He never made a donation to that charity, before, during, or after.

And furthermore, that has been his modus operandi for decades. Show up uninvited, grab the most prominent table, make sure to be seen and photographed, grab the microphone and claim to donate some huge sum, accept the applause, leave...and never donate a dime.

He's worse than nouveau riche, he is, was and always shall be, in the immortal words of his eternal nemeses from Spy magazine, Graydon Carter and Kurt Andersen, "a short-fingered vulgarian". If the upper-crust, the 400 families, of the New York social scene were to be blunt, they would bestow upon him the ultimate classist slur: "white trash".

That is the reason why New York high society has never fully accepted him. Gold plate a turd all you wish (and you know that he has done that to all of his properties that bear his name), and yet it remains a turd. And no matter how much money you have (or claim to have) you can't use it to buy class. And he is entirely bereft of class.
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« Reply #5922 on: May 28, 2017, 09:22:27 PM »
NPR: "Why The Russia Investigation Matters And Why You Should Care"

"...That's why a question asked at Tuesday's House Intelligence Committee hearing about the Russia investigation with former Obama CIA Director John Brennan caught our attention:

"Please tell my constituents, my neighbors, why they should care — and not just in Washington, D.C., but in Washington state and Texas and Connecticut and points in between — and why should they care, and why do you care, sir?"

The question was posed by Washington Democrat Denny Heck, and it provoked a high-minded response.

Here's what Brennan said in full:

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    "Well, for the last 241 years, the nation and the citizens have cherished the freedom and liberty upon which this country was founded upon. Many brave Americans have lost their lives to protect that freedom and liberty and lost their lives to protect the freedom and liberties of other peoples around the world. Our ability to choose our elected leaders, as we see fit, is, I believe, an inalienable right that we must protect with all of the resources and authority and power.

    "And the fact that the Russians tried to influence resources and authority and power, and the fact that the Russians tried to influence that election so that the will of the American people was not going to be realized by that election, I find outrageous and something that we need to, with every last ounce of devotion to this country, resist and try to act to prevent further instances of that. And so, therefore, I believe, this is something that's critically important to every American. Certainly, it's very important for me, for my children and grandchildren to make sure that never again will a foreign country try to influence and interfere in the foundation stone of this country, which is electing our democratic leaders."

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« Reply #5923 on: May 28, 2017, 10:02:32 PM »
Some positive news from the Emerald Isle:

"Ireland set to elect 38-year-old gay Asian as Prime Minister"

"Ireland is on the verge of a huge generational change in its political life with the likely election of Leo Varadkar as its next premier – a move that would give the once-staunchly Catholic country its first openly gay leader and its first of Asian immigrant descent.

Varadkar has built a near insurmountable lead ahead of a contest next week to succeed Enda Kenny as leader of the governing Fine Gael and prime minister. At 38, he would also become the youngest person to hold the office.

Supporters are comparing the trained doctor to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and new French President Emmanuel Macron, hoping a straight-talker from the generation hit hardest by an economic meltdown a decade ago can transform the political landscape.

'I honestly don't think in 1981 when I first got elected that I could foresee a time when an openly gay man might become Taoiseach (prime minister),' former Fine Gael deputy leader Nora Owen, who served as justice minister in the 1990s, told Reuters.

'We have come a long way and the fact that someone like Leo Varadkar, who is an openly gay man, living with his partner, can actually put himself forward for Taoiseach and nobody is batting an eyelid is wonderful and I think it's a great day for Ireland that we can do that.'

The fact that such a milestone is barely mentioned in local media or raised in the leadership race demonstrates just how far the country of 4.6 million people that was long seen as one of the most socially conservative in Western Europe has come.

Having only decriminalised homosexuality in 1993 and introduced divorce two years later, Ireland became the first country to adopt gay marriage via a popular vote in 2015, drawing overwhelming support from every corner of the country...

His election would also show another face of modern-day Ireland.

Varadkar's father Ashok, who is also a doctor, was born in Mumbai in India. He met Varadkar's mother Miriam, a nurse and farmer's daughter from the southern Irish county of Waterford, while working in England in the 1970s. They married there but decided to move to Ireland and raise their family in Dublin, where Varadkar was born."
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« Reply #5924 on: May 29, 2017, 03:04:14 AM »
Some positive news from the Emerald Isle:

"Ireland set to elect 38-year-old gay Asian as Prime Minister"
I do like the way the world s changing. My belief in personal freedoms includes someone's sexual preference.
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