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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1755 on: February 15, 2010, 11:46:26 PM »
he did promise to fix the economy!
Here are the facts!
"Yesterday, Reince Priebus called this whole story a 'nothing burger,'" he said. "Well these emails have turned it into an all-you-can-prosecute buffet."

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« Reply #1756 on: February 16, 2010, 09:58:30 PM »
What they're saying about the 'Bama man................................ 8)

"Obama health care proposals obviously ran afoul of the first of Henry Kissinger's warnings.  By pushing for changes that conflicted with America's values, common sense, and experience, Obama lost his mandate.  In that disastrous push for an elusive goal, he ruined his own presidency and his party.  It may take decades for the Democratic Party to recover from his folly.  Indeed, his push for health legislation, in the face of rapidly eroding public support, ranks with the War in Vietnam, Watergate, and, of course, Clinton's health care initiatives as the most costly to their respective political parties.

and.............................

Seemingly **88** by adversity, President Obama and his advisors are showing a lack of resilience in the face of reversals that is perhaps the inevitable outcome of his smooth rise to the top in 2008.  Never tried by bad outcomes (as Hillary has doubtless been), he and they seem unable to regain momentum and appear to be just flailing without strategic or even tactical direction.
  
All this might be what happens when you elect a State Senator whose US Senate career was consumed with his presidential campaign as president"

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Republicans are obstructionist?   Republicans stop Obama from getting his programs through?  Republicans offer no alternatives?  It's all the Republicans fault?    ::)

To date, Republicans during the Obama Era continue to have a minority in both the House and Senate.  Not only can't they stop anything, they also can't start anything, nor have they been consulted (until now in desperation) on anything by Pelosi, Reid and Obama.   :D
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Obama and America on a path to economic recovery?   ???
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1757 on: February 16, 2010, 10:22:14 PM »
I'm just amazed to hear about how Obama is suddenly approving of big bank bonuses...

...maybe he fears losing their uber-standard campaign contributions this election cycle? 8)

Bloomberg News - Obama Doesn’t ‘Begrudge’ Bonuses for Blankfein, Dimon

Quote from: Bloomberg News
Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said he doesn’t “begrudge” the $17 million bonus awarded to JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon or the $9 million issued to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. CEO Lloyd Blankfein, noting that some athletes take home more pay.

The president, speaking in an interview, said in response to a question that while $17 million is “an extraordinary amount of money” for Main Street, “there are some baseball players who are making more than that and don’t get to the World Series either, so I’m shocked by that as well.”

“I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen,” Obama said in the interview yesterday in the Oval Office with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands Friday. “I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free-market system.”

Obama sought to combat perceptions that his administration is anti-business and trumpeted the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies. He plans to reiterate that message when he speaks to the Business Roundtable, which represents the heads of many of the biggest U.S. companies, on Feb. 24 in Washington.

Here is a story by the New York Post referencing the Bloomberg News story just so you know this actually happened, all you liberals out there.

New York Post - Obama does not 'begrudge' bonuses for 'savvy' financial chiefs

Also, in other news, Paul Krugman is going nuts. That is a GREAT sign. 8)

Clueless - Paul Krugman Blog

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1758 on: February 16, 2010, 11:05:22 PM »
JJ, why the hell are you using Bush figures to support Obama demise in economy. You keep saying that Obama needs to stop blaming Bush for the economy and yet your using Bush economic index to try to show it was Obama's fault. He hasn't even been in office yet in June, 2008!!!! WTH!

I made a mark, next time I'll use crayon if that would help, but you are not entitle to your facts, isn't that what Al Franken says?

When you say why do some people attack the messenger instead of the content of what been said by them, then turn around and use misinformation to make false assertion to slander another person, I think you are setting yourself up to be one of those that will now be disregarded by any of your content.

If I was a conservative, I wouldn't want you to be parroting any of the talking point, instead hope for a worthy Sentience fact checking opponent. I no longer have any use for you anymore. In fact at this point any quote from any source that you bring to the table are going to regard as pure hogwash, if it endorse by you JJ.
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« Reply #1759 on: February 17, 2010, 04:00:56 AM »
3d, I take back my bit of kidding.  You're impressing me and I salute you. 8)

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1760 on: February 17, 2010, 04:04:46 AM »
CNN: 52% Say Obama Doesn't Deserve to be Reelected


An eye-opening result from the new CNN/Opinion Research survey:

    6. Do you think Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or not?

    All Americans
    Yes: 44%
    No: 52%

    Registered Voters
    Yes: 44%
    No: 52%
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« Reply #1761 on: February 17, 2010, 11:06:25 AM »
Not enough substance?   More substance from............

The Wall Street Journal, January, 2010
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Wall Street Journal Article on Obama

Thurs, January 28, 2010
 

    "I have this theory about Barack Obama. I think he's led a kind of

    make-believe life in which money was provided and doors were opened because

    at some point early on somebody or some group took a look at this tall, good

    looking, half-white, half-black, young man with an exotic African/Muslim

    name and concluded he could be guided toward a life in politics where his

    facile speaking skills could even put him in the White House.


    

    In a very real way, he has been a young man in a very big hurry. Who else do

    you know has written two memoirs before the age of 45? "Dreams of My Father"

    was published in 1995 when he was only 34 years old. The "Audacity of Hope"

    followed in 2006. If, indeed, he did write them himself. There are some who

    think that his mentor and friend, Bill Ayers, a man who calls himself a

    "communist with a small 'c" was the real author.


    

    His political skills consisted of rarely voting on anything that might be

    deemed controversial.. He went from a legislator in the Illinois legislature

    to the Senator from that state because he had the good fortune of having

    Mayor Daley's formidable political machine at his disposal.


    

    He was in the U.S.. Senate so briefly that his bid for the presidency was

    either an act of astonishing self-confidence or part of some greater game

    plan that had been determined before he first stepped foot in the Capital.

    How, many must wonder, was he selected to be a 2004 keynote speaker at the

    Democrat convention that nominated John Kerry when virtually no one had ever

    even heard of him before?


     He outmaneuvered Hillary Clinton in primaries. He took Iowa by storm. A

    charming young man, an anomaly in the state with a very small black

    population, he oozed "cool" in a place where agriculture was the antithesis

    of cool. He dazzled the locals. And he had an army of volunteers drawn to a

    charisma that hid any real substance.


    

    And then he had the great good fortune of having the Republicans select one

    of the most inept candidates for the presidency since Bob Dole. And then

    John McCain did something crazy. He picked Sarah Palin, an unknown female

    governor from the very distant state of Alaska . It was a ticket that was

    reminiscent of 1984's Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro and they went

    down to defeat.


    

    The mainstream political media fell in love with him. It was a schoolgirl

    crush with febrile commentators like Chris Mathews swooning then and now

    over the man. The venom directed against McCain and, in particular, Palin,

    was extraordinary.


    

    Now, nearly a full year into his first term, all of those gilded years

    leading up to the White House have left him unprepared to be President. Left

    to his own instincts, he has a talent for saying the wrong thing at the

    wrong time.. It swiftly became a joke that he could not deliver even the

    briefest of statements without the ever-present Tele-Prompters.


    

    Far worse, however, is his capacity to want to "wish away" some terrible

    realities, not the least of which is the Islamist intention to destroy

    America and enslave the West. Any student of history knows how swiftly Islam

    initially spread. It knocked on the doors of Europe , having gained a

    foothold in Spain ..


    

    The great crowds that greeted him at home or on his campaign "world tour"

    were no substitute for having even the slightest grasp of history and the

    reality of a world filled with really bad people with really bad intentions.


    

    Oddly and perhaps even inevitably, his political experience, a cakewalk, has

    positioned him to destroy the Democrat Party's hold on power in Congress

    because in the end it was never about the Party. It was always about his

    communist ideology, learned at an early age from family, mentors, college

    professors, and extreme leftist friends and colleagues.


    

    Obama is a man who could deliver a snap judgment about a Boston police

    officer who arrested an "obstreperous" Harvard professor-friend, but would

    warn Americans against "jumping to conclusions" about a mass murderer at

    Fort Hood who shouted "Allahu Akbar." The absurdity of that was lost on no

    one. He has since compounded this by calling the Christmas bomber "an

    isolated extremist" only to have to admit a day or two later that he was

    part of an al Qaeda plot.


    

    He is a man who could strive to close down our detention facility at

    Guantanamo even though those released were known to have returned to the

    battlefield against America .. He could even instruct his Attorney General to

    afford the perpetrator of 9/11 a civil trial when no one else would ever

    even consider such an obscenity. And he is a man who could wait three days

    before having anything to say about the perpetrator of yet another terrorist

    attack on Americans and then have to elaborate on his remarks the following

    day because his first statement was so lame.


    

    The pattern repeats itself. He either blames any problem on the Bush

    administration or he naively seeks to wish away the truth.


    

    Knock, knock. Anyone home? Anyone there? Barack Obama exists only as the

    sock puppet of his handlers, of the people who have maneuvered and

    manufactured this pathetic individual's life.


    

    When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth certificate, this

    man has spent over a million dollars to deny access to his. Most other

    documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered

    from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain

    hidden.


    

    We laugh at the ventriloquist's dummy, but what do you do when the he is the

    "President of the United States of America ?"
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« Reply #1762 on: February 17, 2010, 01:09:04 PM »
Not enough substance?   More substance from............

Usually when someone ask for substance, you need fact to back it, quoting some other writers opinion article doesn't make for substance if they are presented without facts. You would be slaughtered in court if you had to make a legal case.

This was by far the least amount of substance, and that's actually pretty funny irony if I ever read! Thanks for making me laugh!
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« Reply #1763 on: February 17, 2010, 01:48:12 PM »
lol @ the inane rantings of some random opinion journalists who happen to share your opinion being "substance".

that's how stuff like barack obama trying to enact mitt romney's health care plan gets labelled "communist" lol.  he promised change though, and the 1 thing he is definitely guilty of is catering far too much the bitching and moaning of the very same people who were turfed after 8 long years of across the board incompetance.

these right wing wackos dont care about facts, they care about words that say what they want to hear.  how else in the universe can anyone explain the war in iraq and 2 george w terms?...
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1764 on: February 17, 2010, 02:10:53 PM »
CNN: 52% Say Obama Doesn't Deserve to be Reelected

An eye-opening result from the new CNN/Opinion Research survey:

    6. Do you think Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or not?

    All Americans
    Yes: 44%
    No: 52%

    Registered Voters
    Yes: 44%
    No: 52%
JJ -
You should have included the whole CNN survey instead of cherry picking the piece of data that you used to make your case against Obama. If you did we all would have seen that Americans are so fed up with the government now that most feel that none of the current crop of representatives & senators in both political parties deserve re-election.

Anyway here is the link to the whole CNN poll: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/16/rel4a.pdf  

Also it would be thoughtful if you are going to quote a piece of, ah, journalism to include the writer's name or at least a link to it so others might read it on their own.

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« Reply #1765 on: February 17, 2010, 05:12:20 PM »
More, even more deep substance on the 'Bama man...................... :D ;) ;) ;)

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Comparison of Obama to Abraham Lincoln is favorable -



Lincoln and Obama are very much alike:
1. Lincoln placed his hand on the Bible for his inauguration. Obama used the same Bible.
2. Lincoln came from Illinois. Obama comes from Illinois.
3. Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature. Obama served in the Illinois Legislature.
4. Lincoln had very little experience before becoming President. Obama had very little experience before becoming President.
5. Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration. Obama rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration.
6. Lincoln was a skinny lawyer. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
7. Lincoln was a Republican. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
8. Lincoln was highly respected. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
9. Lincoln was born in the United States. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
10. Lincoln was called Honest Abe. Obama is a skinny lawyer.
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« Reply #1766 on: February 17, 2010, 10:22:09 PM »
Do you get the feeling that JJ isn't reading any of our comments? I suggest we give him the same courtesy.
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« Reply #1767 on: February 17, 2010, 11:32:35 PM »


What's that old saying - he who runs away with tail between legs is he who has no substantive reason to hang around.  'Tis sad but true.

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« Reply #1768 on: February 17, 2010, 11:50:09 PM »
Do you get the feeling that JJ isn't reading any of our comments? I suggest we give him the same courtesy.
No, I don't think he bother reading the counter point. At least he never address them with any substance of fact. But in his world he thinks he's a big man because he can type on a computer forum.
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« Reply #1769 on: February 18, 2010, 11:26:10 AM »
lol, so basically "dont bother to read his comments because he's just spouting rather than discussing" is your version of "attacked"?

looks like the bea off-topic section has its very own sarah palin lol....
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