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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1800 on: February 25, 2010, 02:13:00 AM »

The Right Wing Tavern

After making several posts in the various political threads in this off-topic forum, I was ruminating upon something I felt did not exist in any significant fashion--a thread where those of us users with views on the "right-wing" side of the political spectrum could go to expound upon their political views, or even just to commiserate about the state of the country and world in which we live today, or even the vagaries of our daily life. In short, I wanted to create a thread to foster an atmosphere of congenial conviviality--a virtual tavern, as it were. In fashioning a name for such a thread, I stumbled upon the above-linked restaurant, "The Right Wing Tavern", and knew no other name could be better suited for this virtual hangout.

In a forum where there are sure to be many more members leaning in the other direction than those of us who stand on the right, I pondered the expediency/exigency/efficacy of such a thread on a forum where no off-topic thread is really sacred, and where a yeoman conservative's thread like this could easily be trampled by left-wing ideologues. In full consideration of the ramifications of the actions of many potential users and posters to this thread, as well as the general disposition of the forum moderators to it, I decided to forge ahead in the spirit of pride and joy by which I myself carry my own political beliefs. I anticipate that debates will be made within this thread, both between opposing sides and mayhap even between those on the same side, and I pledge fervently that I will not willingly shrink from the arena nor from the defense of ideas I hold so dear.

Having written my thread's general constitution, I now open this thread.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1801 on: February 25, 2010, 05:29:27 AM »
Seriously, do you get paid to write this stuff?
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1802 on: February 25, 2010, 06:18:43 AM »
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1803 on: February 25, 2010, 06:34:48 AM »
foreign opinion:

Obama is not the Messiah to end all problems, The media puts him on a pedestal and even though most of his policies thusfar are not noticable on a global scale, ergo for me, he does manage to come across as a charismatic president who atleast tries to improve the American situation of living with less than ludicrous notions. Obviously support in matters like this goes a long way and as long as there's right wing extreme conservatives 'CHAAAAAAAANGE' isn't going to happen as much as it could.

All in all, I think his heart and mind are in the right place, however the opposition is putting up a lot of roadblocks and obstacles to overcome.
In this post I do not feel like criticizing the opposition person per person.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1804 on: February 25, 2010, 07:53:05 AM »
That poll is over 6 months old. Got anything more recent, now that the general public has more time to analyze the bill Congress trying to cram through?
Once the polls don't go in the favor of the corporation, finding another become rare.

watch how the news tries to spin the latest CPAC polls of Ron Paul winning it! I guarantee they will be marginalizing it.

I too would like to see the latest polling on public option, but I think at this point, many people are giving up and tired of working with the republican. Talks of reconciliation on the vote have been threaten. I don't know where the bills stand now!
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1805 on: February 25, 2010, 11:33:34 AM »





A BEA look at how they portrayed Bush,

And how they're portraying Obama
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1806 on: February 25, 2010, 04:07:11 PM »
So what does it mean "American Food PoliticalLEE Incorrect"? ???

Does it have something to do with the name of this joint in that if I order a basket of hot wings I can be absoluteLEE certain all the wings are from the right side of the chicken? ::) :P

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1807 on: February 25, 2010, 06:08:50 PM »
Please elaborate, and show me where he's succeeded with any substantive economic marker. ::)

I am in my right mind (and in my mind I am right, he he he), and I want Obama to FAIL. I don't want any part of his big government, liberal-Democrat policies to be enacted because they will spell the death knell of an already-reeling US economy.

Rather than neglect to respond to this inquiry in its entirety, I respectfully request a week's time to return with some answers. I'm tired of liberals claiming conservatives lack fight in the arena of ideas, because I often feel that it is tried-and-failed liberal policies that get rehashed every decade or so that seem so old and tired... ::)

Don't doubt me. 8)

BTW, just so I can get a handle on it, in what areas would you like policy ideas?

With regards to your first point, may I refer you to this modest report dated January 13, on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which states:

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Our analysis indicates that the Recovery Act has played a key role in the turnaround of the economy that has been occurring over the past three quarters. Real GDP is growing again, in large part because of the tax cuts and spending increases included in the Act. Employment, after falling dramatically for many months, appears to have almost stabilized. As of the fourth quarter of 2009, we estimate that total employment is 1½ to 2 million higher than otherwise would have been.

You can read the 40+ pages on your own. There's even a website where you can "track the money" in the ARRA.

As to your second point, perhaps I need to clarify myself. This may sound like backpedaling; so be it. Do you hope that the Democrats fail in getting their policies implemented, simply because you hate the Democrats and want to see them fail, or would you hope that their can be some compromise and that more centrist/less "liberal" policies and proposals are implemented? I personally wouldn't mind seeing the latter. That would be something that everyone could call a "success". Of course, any such success would redound to the benefit of President Obama, if only for the fact that it would happen under his administration. Unfortunately, it would seem that there are those on the Right who are so terrified of any sort of credit at all going to the Left that they refuse to even make a token gesture of compromise and instead do their utmost to torpedo anything that has even the remotest possibility of succeeding, no matter how insignificant or how vital.

Finally, I would love to hear your suggestions on Health Care Reform (with the understanding that we're not going to come up with a solution here, so we really needn't spend too much effort debating the various merits of our own proposals). All I get from the Press is projected cost estimates, with no details as to what it would mean for someone like myself who has no health insurance at all. The only proposal I can think of is that the federal government should require all carriers to offer a cheap, bare-bones plan (one or two doctor visits per year for a basic examination, plus emergency care only) that both charges less and offers less than the carriers' basic plans. Sort of like "Medicaid for All", but you have to opt-in and pay for it yourself.

I look forward to your response,
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1808 on: February 25, 2010, 07:03:50 PM »
Yeah, this is only going to end in epic levels of fail and lots of cat macros.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1809 on: February 25, 2010, 07:29:59 PM »
 ;)
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1810 on: February 25, 2010, 08:46:15 PM »
This is why you are awesome goober.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1811 on: February 25, 2010, 10:18:36 PM »
I do not take kindly to having my words spun around 180 degrees
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1812 on: February 25, 2010, 11:18:03 PM »
I do not take kindly to having my words spun around 180 degrees

I see your point, Shara; I agree with JJ on most points, and I thank him for his efforts, but I concur with you that here his rebuttal may not have been well-suited, especially since your own post doesn't seem that subjectively leftist.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1813 on: February 26, 2010, 04:00:16 AM »
I do not take kindly to having my words spun around 180 degrees
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Fine, so it's established there's your view and no other?   I was hoping for better.

The point I make is a very simple one - Conservatives do not stand in the way of progress.  Conservatives ARE progress just as much as so-called Progressives, who are really Liberals.

The differences between the two lie in how to go about achieving progress.  QBE should know this as well?
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1814 on: February 26, 2010, 04:05:03 AM »
Article today points out why Obama "change" is going no where.  The USA changed the Presidency but forgot about changing the 535 members of Congress in 2009?
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Congress's real problem? A lack of restraint on spending
By Tom Coburn Friday, February 26, 2010

For the past several weeks the American people have been inundated with analysis about what's wrong with Washington largely from the perspective of Washington insiders who are frustrated about health care and political retirements. We're told that gridlock, procedural holds, partisanship and extreme ideology are preventing members of Congress from working together. While some of this analysis is true -- Washington is petty, partisan and shortsighted -- few are acknowledging that Congress does enjoy remarkable unity in one critical area: spending beyond our means.

In the past two years, an institution supposedly **88** by gridlock has succeeded in passing the most consequential pieces of legislation it handles every year -- appropriations bills -- by 3-to-1 margins. In the past few weeks, Congress has increased the debt limit from $12.1 trillion to $14.3 trillion but made no effort to eliminate any wasteful or duplicative spending. Since 1994, both parties have worked together to create 90,000 new earmarks, with only a handful of earmarks going down to defeat.
The problem, therefore, is not gridlock. The problem is that Congress is working in a bipartisan fashion to make our economic future less secure. The facts show that Congress is controlled by a supermajority of members from both parties who believe it is fine to borrow and spend far beyond our means and avoid hard choices.

In the past decade, this consensus has helped put our nation on a path toward economic ruin. Total federal spending has doubled since 2000, increasing at three times the rate of inflation -- far faster than family budgets. By the end of 2010, our national debt will equal the size of our entire gross domestic product (GDP), which many economists view as a tipping point. A study released last month by economists Carmen Reinhart of the University of Maryland and Kenneth Rogoff of Harvard found that when advanced nations reach this tipping point they experience slower economic growth and face higher interest rates and inflation.

This is a dangerous position in light of our future challenges. The impending collapse of our entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security -- could cause tax rates to double if we do nothing. If we try to borrow our way out of insolvency, we could face a collapse in the value of the dollar, skyrocketing interest rates, hyperinflation or all of the above. Our decision to give potential adversaries enormous leverage over both our foreign policy and domestic economy is a national security crisis waiting to happen, according to experts such as Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations.
President Obama's appointment of a debt commission to address spending is an indirect rebuke of the spending supermajority when a direct rebuke would be more helpful. The American people believe we already have a commission to confront our debt. It's called the United States Congress. If members of Congress aren't up to that task, we don't need a new commission, we need a new Congress.

The message of hope that America needs to hear is that individual citizens really do have the power to fire and replace members of the spending supermajority. Since just 1994, the country has experienced several "change" elections that resulted in shifts in power in Washington. These change elections show that our political system is working. When the American people are engaged, new representatives and senators are elected.

The gridlock theorists should remember the wise words of Thomas Jefferson: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Underneath much of the analysis about gridlock is a real and wonderful fear of the people. It is heard in heated rhetoric about the "angry mobs," the "tea partiers" and so on. January's special election in Massachusetts shows that the balance of power is shifting back toward the people, and toward liberty.
When John Podesta, a top Democratic adviser and former White House chief of staff, recently said our political system "sucks" -- apparently because a majority of the American people rejected a government takeover of health care -- he was unintentionally highlighting Jefferson's point. In our system, angry mobs -- motivated citizens -- are the lifeblood of democracy. The threat to liberty comes from angry elites -- elected leaders who ignore the obvious will of the people until they are voted out of office.

The problem in Washington is simple: The future of our republic is at risk not because we disagree but because we agree intensely about spending our way into oblivion. We are broke, but not broken. The American people have the power to put our nation on a sustainable course and end the spending supermajority that threatens our future.



The writer, a physician, is a Republican senator from Oklahoma.

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