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« Reply #5820 on: April 28, 2017, 05:27:27 AM »
In a interview published yesterday Trump stated that on being President , " I thought it would be easier."

*and you can hear the mass face palm*

The people actually smart enough and qualified to do THAT job are also smart enough NOT to take it.

To be fair he didn't actually think he was going to win,  although he needs to get over it himself.
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« Reply #5821 on: May 01, 2017, 06:16:30 PM »
A nice summation:

"The irony of Trump is that though he was elected because America truly does face big problems, he is singularly unsuited to solving any of them. There is nothing in his presidency thus far that will lift stagnating wages, revitalize struggling rural communities, cut health care costs, modernize the federal government, curb the opioid crisis, or strengthen American leadership in the face of a rising China and an aggressive Russia. These are hard problems that require patience, study, and steady leadership. Yes, it could be worse, but we needed it to be so much better." – Ezra Klein, "Donald Trump’s absurd 100th day week was his presidency in miniature" Vox

And there's nothing his supporters can really offer to counter that argument.
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« Reply #5822 on: May 02, 2017, 10:25:03 PM »
Hey, look who's talking!

Christiane Amanpour interviews Hillary "Still more presidential than Trump" Clinton at a luncheon for Women For Women International.

CLINTON: But the reason why I believe we lost were the intervening events in the last ten days. And I think you can see, I was leading in the early vote, I had a very strong — and not just our polling and data analysis — but a very strong assessment going across the country about where I was in terms of the necessary votes and electoral votes. And remember I did win more than three million votes [than] my opponent....

AMANPOUR: I feel a tweet coming!

CLINTON: Well, fine. You know, better that than interfering in foreign affairs, if he wants to tweet about me, I’m happy to be the diversion because we’ve got lots of other things to worry about. And he should worry less about the election, and my winning the popular vote, than doing some other things that would be important for the country.

More - with video clips - here

Meanwhile, El Presidente's bizarre comments about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War, and his interview with CBS' John Dickerson, have more people talking about the possibility that he is showing early signs of senile dementia....



This. Is. Not. Normal.

Neither is it good for the country.



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« Reply #5823 on: May 03, 2017, 12:44:03 AM »

Meanwhile, El Presidente's bizarre comments about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War, and his interview with CBS' John Dickerson, have more people talking about the possibility that he is showing early signs of senile dementia....



This. Is. Not. Normal.

Neither is it good for the country.

Don't forget Trumpels personal physician who doubted Trumpels condition would allow him 4 years.
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« Reply #5824 on: May 03, 2017, 01:01:59 AM »
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Meanwhile, El Presidente's bizarre comments about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War, and his interview with CBS' John Dickerson, have more people talking about the possibility that he is showing early signs of senile dementia....


"Possibly" showing signs of dementia? "Possibly"? Dude is nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake and has been since the 80s. Last night I was watching a documentary on the History Channel and they showed footage of Ronald Reagan and then I remembered that Reagan was the oldest man to enter the White House, aged 69 years 349 days. The current occupant of the People's House is older than Saint Ronnie by almost a full year.

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Don't forget Trumpels personal physician who doubted Trumpels condition would allow him 4 years.


Which one? You mean that quack who supposedly wrote that "clean bill of health" letter in five minutes?!

This is not normal. This entire circus is not normal.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #5825 on: May 03, 2017, 03:20:20 AM »
"Trump Just Paved The Way For Melania To Be Deported"

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On Wednesday the Supreme Court heard a case about a Serbian woman, Divna Maslenjak, who was deported after it became apparent she’d misrepresented a particular fact about her husband’s past military service on her naturalization paperwork.

President Donald Trump’s administration has supported this with orders to the Department of Homeland Security, and has therefore set a legal precedent that implies that anyone who has also made a mistake on their paperwork can and will be deported.

Ironically, this includes the First Lady...

In 1996 Melania Trump, then Knauss, earned money for modeling work in the United States while in the country on a tourist visa, an act which violated her terms of entry.

The First Lady earned $20,000 in the seven weeks prior to acquiring legal permission to work here.

Melania applied for her green card in 2001 before becoming a naturalized citizen in 2006. During that process, she failed to disclose any past indiscretions, which would include earning money without permission.

New rules brought in by Trump in March this year dictate that immigration officials at the Department of Homeland Security are required to prioritize the removal of any foreign nationals who have “engaged in fraud or willful misrepresentation in connection with any official matter or application before a government agency.”

Under these rules, Melania is set to be deported since she has done exactly that.

Of course, this is only wishful thinking. The First Lady is almost certainly going to stay exactly where she is, at the top of Trump Tower costing New Yorkers $150,000 a day to keep her safe.

However, had Trump been President in the 1990s, she would likely have faced deportation according to top immigration lawyer at the Legal Aid Society, Hasan Shafiqullah, who said: "If the current executive order on interior enforcement and the related Homeland Security memoranda on interior enforcement had been in effect at that time [1996], then she would have certainly been an enforcement priority."


Maybe this was his evil plan all along. Cheaper than a divorce, eh?
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« Reply #5826 on: May 03, 2017, 10:54:11 AM »
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Meanwhile, El Presidente's bizarre comments about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War, and his interview with CBS' John Dickerson, have more people talking about the possibility that he is showing early signs of senile dementia....


"Possibly" showing signs of dementia? "Possibly"? Dude is nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake and has been since the 80s. Last night I was watching a documentary on the History Channel and they showed footage of Ronald Reagan and then I remembered that Reagan was the oldest man to enter the White House, aged 69 years 349 days. The current occupant of the People's House is older than Saint Ronnie by almost a full year.

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Don't forget Trumpels personal physician who doubted Trumpels condition would allow him 4 years.


Which one? You mean that quack who supposedly wrote that "clean bill of health" letter in five minutes?!

This is not normal. This entire circus is not normal.

Oh, I have to correct me. He didn't "doubt". He said something along if he dies during his 4 years there would be always his vice to seize control.
I mixed that up. My mistake.
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« Reply #5827 on: May 04, 2017, 08:18:19 PM »
TOP TEN SHITTY THINGS IN THE HOUSE HEALTH CARE BILL

10. It includes $600 billion in tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.
9. Includes a provision that no longer recognizes schools as required Medicaid providers, which would remove funding for education programs to help students with disabilities.
8. Bans funding - of any sort - to Planned Parenthood clinics, which are a major source of basic health care services to women.
7. Allows insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions like breast cancer or assault survival, and because pregnancy care no longer would be a required benefit, women would once again pay more for health care than men.
6. Puts lifetime and annual benefit caps back on the table for even those with employer coverage.
5. Cuts $880 billion from Medicaid.
4. Allows insurance companies to charge older Americans significantly more for their health care.
3. Ends the federal protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
2. Effectively increases deductibles by an average of $1500.
1. Removes health care from 24 MILLION people.

http://www.indivisibleguide.com/resource/10-worst-things-trumpcare/

14 Republicans from districts won by Clinton in November voted for this abomination:

Carlos Curbelo (Fla.): Clinton 56.7–Trump 40.6
David Valadao (Calif.): Clinton 55.2–Trump 39.7
Ed Royce (Calif.): Clinton 51.5–Trump 42.9
Erik Paulsen (Minn.): Clinton 50.8–Trump 41.4
Darrell Issa (Calif.): Clinton 50.7–Trump 43.2
Steve Knight (Calif.): Clinton 50.3–Trump 43.6
Peter Roskam (Ill.): Clinton 50.2–Trump 43.2
Mimi Walters (Calif.): Clinton 49.8–44.4
Martha McSally (Ariz.): Clinton 49.6–Trump 44.7
Jeff Denham (Calif.): Clinton 48.5–Trump 45.5
Pete Sessions (Texas): Clinton 48.5–Trump 46.6
John Culberson (Texas): Clinton 48.5–Trump 47.1
Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.): Clinton 47.9–Trump 46.2
Kevin Yoder (Kans.): Clinton 47.2–Trump 46.0

10 Republicans from districts where Trump received less than 50 percent of the vote also voted in favor of this:

Jason Lewis (Minn.): Trump 46.5–Clinton 45.3
Don Bacon (Neb.): Trump 48.2–Clinton 46
David Young (Iowa): Trump 48.5–Clinton 45
Rod Blum (Iowa) Trump 48.7–Clinton 45.2
Randy Hultgren (Ill.): Trump 48.7–Clinton 44.8
Rodney Frelinghuysen (N.J.): Trump 48.8–Clinton 47.9
Scott Taylor (Va.): Trump 48.8–Clinton 45.4
Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.): Trump 49.6–Clinton 47.9
Dave Trott (Mich.): Trump 49.7–Clinton 45.4
Rodney Davis (Ill.) Trump 49.7–Clinton 44.2

Remember their names in 2018!
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« Reply #5828 on: May 04, 2017, 09:27:48 PM »
It's even worse than this seems: they made sure to exclude themselves from the provisions of the Trumpcare 2.0...meaning while 24 million of their constituents are liable to die they will be a-OK.

As usual, when they accuse the Democrats of doing something ("DEATH PANELS!!!"), that is what they are doing themselves. Such evil people.
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« Reply #5829 on: May 05, 2017, 12:54:02 AM »
TOP TEN SHITTY THINGS IN THE HOUSE HEALTH CARE BILL

10. It includes $600 billion in tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations.
9. Includes a provision that no longer recognizes schools as required Medicaid providers, which would remove funding for education programs to help students with disabilities.
8. Bans funding - of any sort - to Planned Parenthood clinics, which are a major source of basic health care services to women.
7. Allows insurance companies to charge more for pre-existing conditions like breast cancer or assault survival, and because pregnancy care no longer would be a required benefit, women would once again pay more for health care than men.
6. Puts lifetime and annual benefit caps back on the table for even those with employer coverage.
5. Cuts $880 billion from Medicaid.
4. Allows insurance companies to charge older Americans significantly more for their health care.
3. Ends the federal protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
2. Effectively increases deductibles by an average of $1500.
1. Removes health care from 24 MILLION people.

http://www.indivisibleguide.com/resource/10-worst-things-trumpcare/

14 Republicans from districts won by Clinton in November voted for this abomination:

Carlos Curbelo (Fla.): Clinton 56.7–Trump 40.6
David Valadao (Calif.): Clinton 55.2–Trump 39.7
Ed Royce (Calif.): Clinton 51.5–Trump 42.9
Erik Paulsen (Minn.): Clinton 50.8–Trump 41.4
Darrell Issa (Calif.): Clinton 50.7–Trump 43.2
Steve Knight (Calif.): Clinton 50.3–Trump 43.6
Peter Roskam (Ill.): Clinton 50.2–Trump 43.2
Mimi Walters (Calif.): Clinton 49.8–44.4
Martha McSally (Ariz.): Clinton 49.6–Trump 44.7
Jeff Denham (Calif.): Clinton 48.5–Trump 45.5
Pete Sessions (Texas): Clinton 48.5–Trump 46.6
John Culberson (Texas): Clinton 48.5–Trump 47.1
Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.): Clinton 47.9–Trump 46.2
Kevin Yoder (Kans.): Clinton 47.2–Trump 46.0

10 Republicans from districts where Trump received less than 50 percent of the vote also voted in favor of this:

Jason Lewis (Minn.): Trump 46.5–Clinton 45.3
Don Bacon (Neb.): Trump 48.2–Clinton 46
David Young (Iowa): Trump 48.5–Clinton 45
Rod Blum (Iowa) Trump 48.7–Clinton 45.2
Randy Hultgren (Ill.): Trump 48.7–Clinton 44.8
Rodney Frelinghuysen (N.J.): Trump 48.8–Clinton 47.9
Scott Taylor (Va.): Trump 48.8–Clinton 45.4
Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.): Trump 49.6–Clinton 47.9
Dave Trott (Mich.): Trump 49.7–Clinton 45.4
Rodney Davis (Ill.) Trump 49.7–Clinton 44.2

Remember their names in 2018!

You asume GOP voters even realize who is the reason they lost health care and are now are in a worser situation than before. Sorry, but I doubt they are fit for this.
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« Reply #5830 on: May 05, 2017, 01:00:01 AM »
It's even worse than this seems: they made sure to exclude themselves from the provisions of the Trumpcare 2.0...meaning while 24 million of their constituents are liable to die they will be a-OK.

As usual, when they accuse the Democrats of doing something ("DEATH PANELS!!!"), that is what they are doing themselves. Such evil people.

Bigottery is a GOP members and GOP voters first priority in life.
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« Reply #5831 on: May 05, 2017, 02:22:25 AM »
I have issues with a lot of what Prof. Noam Chomsky says, but unfortunately here he is spot-on.

Democracy Now!, May 17, 2016: "Chomsky: Today's Republican Party is a Candidate for Most Dangerous Organization in Human History"

"What are the roots? The Republican—both political parties have shifted to the right during the neoliberal period—the period, you know, since Reagan, goes back to late Carter, escalated under Reagan—during this period, which has been a period of stagnation and decline for much of the population in many ways—wages, benefits, security and so on—along with enormous wealth concentrated in a tiny fraction of the population, mostly financial institutions, which are—have a dubious, if not harmful, role on the economy. This has been going on for a generation. And while this has been happening, there’s a kind of a vicious cycle. You have more concentration of wealth, concentration of political power, legislation to increase concentration of wealth and power, and so on, that while that’s been going on, much of the population has simply been cast aside. The white working class is bitter and angry, for lots of reasons, including these. The minority populations were hit very hard by the Clinton destruction of the welfare system and the incarceration rules. They still tend to support the Democrats, but tepidly, because the alternative is worse, and they’re taking a kind of pragmatic stand.

    But while the parties have shifted to—but the parties have shifted so far to the right that the—today’s mainstream Democrats are pretty much what used to be called moderate Republicans. Now, the Republicans are just off the spectrum. They have been correctly described by leading conservative commentators, like Norman Ornstein and Thomas Mann, as just what they call a radical insurgency, which has abandoned parliamentary politics. And they don’t even try to conceal it. Like as soon as Obama was elected, Mitch McConnell said, pretty much straight out, 'We have only one policy: make the country ungovernable, and then maybe we can somehow get power again.' That’s just off the spectrum.

    Now, the actual policies of the Republicans, whether it’s Paul Ryan or Donald Trump, to the extent that he’s coherent, Ted Cruz, you pick him, or the establishment, is basically enrich and empower the very rich and the very powerful and the corporate sector. You cannot get votes that way. So therefore the Republicans have been compelled to turn to sectors of the population that can be mobilized and organized on other grounds, kind of trying to put to the side the actual policies, hoping, the establishment hopes, that the white working class will be mobilized to vote for their bitter class enemies, who want to shaft them in every way, by appealing to something else, like so-called social conservatism—you know, abortion rights, racism, nationalism and so on. And to some extent, that’s happened. That’s the kind of thing that Fritz Stern was referring to in the article that I mentioned about Germany’s collapse, this descent into barbarism. So what you have is a voting base consisting of evangelical Christians, ultranationalists, racists, disaffected, angry, white working-class sectors that have been hit very hard, that are—you know, not by Third World standards, but by First World standards, we even have the remarkable phenomenon of an increase in mortality among these sectors, that just doesn’t happen in developed societies. All of that is a voting base. It does produce candidates who terrify the corporate, wealthy, elite establishment. In the past, they’ve been able to beat them down. This time they aren’t doing it. And that’s what’s happening to the so-called Republican Party.

    We should recognize—if we were honest, we would say something that sounds utterly shocking and no doubt will be taken out of context and lead to hysteria on the part of the usual suspects, but the fact of the matter is that today’s Republican Party qualify as candidates for the most dangerous organization in human history. Literally. Just take their position on the two major issues that face us: climate change, nuclear war. On climate change, it’s not even debatable. They’re saying, 'Let’s race to the precipice. Let’s make sure that our grandchildren have the worst possible life.' On nuclear war, they’re calling for increased militarization. It’s already way too high, more than half the discretionary budget. 'Let’s shoot it up.' They cut back other resources by cutting back taxes on the rich, so there’s nothing left. There’s been nothing this—literally, this dangerous, if you think about it, to the species, really, ever. We should face that."
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« Reply #5832 on: May 05, 2017, 11:20:20 AM »
Who loose (or don't get it) medical insurance after will of GOP and Trumpel:

- women that had a c-section
- woman with postpartum depression
- woman who got assaulted

What sadistic people are these GOP members and Trumpel?

I don't get it... The US sounds less and less like a western civilization if I hear this.
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« Reply #5833 on: May 05, 2017, 07:41:12 PM »
I've read that a key reason the bill got rammed through was that Trump was so desperate for something he could call a "win" was that he personally called several representatives to essentially bully them to voting for it. This partly explains why there was a "victory party" on the White House lawn immediately afterwards.

Let's keep calling the bill "Trumpcare" in his honor.

Especially since the Senate has decided to ignore it and work on their own bill.
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« Reply #5834 on: May 07, 2017, 03:43:55 AM »
Not that much surprising. He already warned them after the 1st fail. But ask yourself what is the next step of escalation if bullying wouldn't help. Is he or his radical minions going to send death squadrons after disagreeing representatives?

I've read that a key reason the bill got rammed through was that Trump was so desperate for something he could call a "win" was that he personally called several representatives to essentially bully them to voting for it. This partly explains why there was a "victory party" on the White House lawn immediately afterwards.

Let's keep calling the bill "Trumpcare" in his honor.

Especially since the Senate has decided to ignore it and work on their own bill.
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