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« Reply #6435 on: November 29, 2017, 01:54:53 AM »
And speaking of Nazis:


Shareblue: "In “clusterf*** of an embarrassment,” Heritage Foundation hires Trump’s former Nazi"
The conservative Heritage Foundation has hired Nazi sympathizer and former Trump White House staffer Sebastian Gorka — the latest absurd move from a think tank that concocts many of the right's worst ideas.

The far right Heritage Foundation has reportedly hired Nazi sympathizer and former Trump White House staffer Sebastian Gorka, further exposing what an enormous mess the leading conservative think tank has become.

Even those working for Heritage seem to be aware that hiring Gorka makes their organization look ridiculous.

As one Heritage staffer bluntly told Washington Post columnist Daniel Drezner, the move is a “clusterfuck of an embarrassment.”

“He’s not an official employee though but rather he’s a ‘consultant’ who’s paid by our fundraisers to speak at donor dinners,”
the staffer continued. “It’s still a fucking humiliation.”

It was unclear during his tenure at the White House what Gorka did besides appearances on cable news to shout about how great Trump is while deriding the entire Islamic faith.

Gorka was shoved out of the administration, after which he proceeded to allege that there was a conspiracy by “forces that do not support the MAGA promise” working behind the scenes to undermine Trump.

Gorka’s history of Nazi sympathizing was no hindrance to obtaining his position in the Trump administration. He was reportedly a member of an extremist Hungarian group called Vitézi Rend, which collaborated with the Nazi regime during World War II.

This is apparently not a problem for Heritage, either.

Heritage has been one of the leading centers of conservatism for decades. They have pushed an array of absurd right-wing ideas, across a spectrum of topics, from the fringes of conservative ideology into legislation. They have concocted anti-immigrant policy, health care, and energy policy among many other areas that influence the lives of millions.

Heritage has also been used as a conduit for big business to squelch scientific research in key areas, like climate change.

Ideas — no matter how ridiculous and unworkable — flow from Heritage and are dutifully repeated ad nauseum in right wing media like Fox News, and with conservative politicians within the Republican Party at the highest levels.

With Trump, Heritage has more influence than it has had in over a decade. Almost the entire Trump budget proposal, with its draconian and cruel cuts to social services, was taken from Heritage’s work.

Thus hiring Gorka and putting him on the payroll despite his extremism and history of Nazi sympathies isn’t out of sync for Heritage, but right in line with their long-standing mission of amplifying absurdity and bigotry.
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« Reply #6436 on: November 29, 2017, 08:03:31 PM »
So, what's been going on in Trumpistan lately?

"The president blew up negotiations to fund the government with a tweet attacking Democratic congressional leaders. He retweeted inflammatory and misleading  anti-Islam videos from a bigoted far-right British politician. He joked about presenting a “Fake News Trophy” to media networks. He called attention to Matt Lauer, the NBC host fired on Wednesday for sexual misconduct, despite Trump’s own past admissions of sexual assault. He baselessly implied that NBC host Joe Scarborough, a onetime informal adviser, might have been involved in the death of an intern years ago in Florida. And several outlets reported that the president privately continues to claim preposterous things, including that it wasn’t him on the Access Hollywood tape and that Barack Obama really wasn’t born in the United States."

It's Not an Act - David A. Graham, The Atlantic, 11/29/17

And that was in less than two days.

Speaking of claiming preposterous things, here's what Jonathan Chait wrote for New York magazine today (presented in its entirety, because it's short and there's no way to really condense it):

New Reports Suggest Trump Might Not Be a Liar at All, But Truly Delusional

The prevailing interpretation of Donald Trump, shared by all his enemies and many of his allies, is that he is a con man. It is a theory that explains both his career in business and politics, and has carried through his many reversals of position and acts of fraud against customers and contractors. It remains quite plausible. But new reporting has opened up a second possibility: The president has lost all touch with reality.

The Washington Post and New York Times have accounts from insiders suggesting Trump habitually insists upon the impossible in private. He does not merely tell lies in order to gull the public or to manipulate allies. He tells lies in private that he has no reason to tell. He still questions the authenticity of Barack Obama’s birthplace, despite the birth certificate. He insists voter fraud may have denied him a popular-vote triumph. He tells people Robert Mueller will wrap up his investigation, with a total vindication of the president, by the end of the year.

He questions whether the Access Hollywood tape, on which he was recorded boasting of sexual assault, is even him. (Both the Post and the Times report Trump repeatedly has denied the validity of the tape in private, “stunning his advisers,” as the Times puts it.)

It is of course entirely possible that Trump is lying to everybody, including his own staff. But the lies in these articles do not always fit into any pattern of rational self-aggrandizement. Trump tells senators or his aides the Access Hollywood tape is not him, but they don’t believe him. He has no reason to bring up the birther fabrication in private.

His apparent belief that Mueller will complete his sprawling investigation by the end of the year is not only pointless but self-defeating — rather than prepare allies for a long defense, he is preparing them for a fantastical scenario. (It is also further evidence that, when Mueller fails to vindicate him by the new year, Trump will lash out wildly, firing him, Jeff Sessions, or others.)

If Trump actually has the ability to convince himself of his own lies, it would suggest a possibility far more dangerous than even his critics have previously assumed. He might be in the grip of a mental-health issue, or at least one more serious than mere sociopathy. And the mutterings that he might need to be removed from office through the 25th Amendment could grow more serious than many of us have expected.
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« Reply #6437 on: November 30, 2017, 02:45:03 PM »
Every Republican Senator and Representative, every member of his cabinet, every member of the leadership of the GOP: they all have placed all of us in mortal danger by not doing something. And why? So that their donors can get a tax cut. A tax cut which will also materially benefit all of them -- including the man haunting the White House.

Now I hear that Rex Tillerson is about to be replaced as Secretary of State by Mike Pompeo, current head of the CIA. And the man tipped to replace Pompeo as head of the spooks? Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton.
 
This is more than not being normal. This is culpable. This is insanity.
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« Reply #6438 on: November 30, 2017, 09:05:45 PM »
Speaking of insanity, in another one of El Presidente's tweets:

"The House of Representatives seeks contempt citations(?) against the Justice Department and the FBI for withholding key documents and an FBI witness which could shed light on surveillance of associates of Donald Trump. Big stuff. Deep State. Give this information NOW! @FoxNews"
8:03 PM - Nov 29, 2017

The immediate reaction was "WTF is he going on about?"

But some people knew. Like national security lawyer Brad Moss. Remember those wiretaps of Trump Tower? The Trump Opposition has been trying to get into the FISA warrants covering the wiretaps, since it is strongly believed that information in the warrants will give information on the suspected interactions between Russia and the Trump campaign. The DOJ and the FBI have been dragging their feet on Freedom of Information requests filed by Moss on behalf of the James Madison Project.

Evidently, Devin Nunes (remember him?) was bloviating on Fox News that the info in the warrants will make it obvious that there was no collusion, none, nothing to see here. So Fox News fan El Presidente went and tweeted...

Moss noted those last four words: "Give this information NOW!" He refiled his FIOA request to note that current policy / procedure in the WH is to treat El Presidente's tweets as official requests, it is Moss' considered legal opinion that those four words are an ORDER to the DOJ and FBI to give him the information he's been asking for for months.

Wheee!!!

Meanwhile, over at Vox, Ezra Klein has been asking us to start wrapping our heads around Impeachment. The whole essay is too long to post here, or even summarize. I'll just give you one key passage, and the link. Dou yourself a favor and READ the whole thing.

"It is time to reassess. Impeachment, in Donald Trump’s case, would lead to the elevation of Mike Pence — a Republican who is better liked by his party and who, to Democrats’ chagrin, would likely be much more effective at pushing a conservative legislative agenda. But it would mean less danger of an accidental war with North Korea, less daily degradation of democratic norms and civil discourse, an executive who has the attention span to follow briefings and the temperament to stay off Twitter when he’s angry, and the precedent that there is some minimal level of job performance that the American people and their political representatives are willing to demand of their president."

The Case for Normalizing Impeachment
http://www.vox.com/2017/11/30/16517022/impeachment-donald-trump

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough doesn't want to wait. After being essentially accused of murder by El Presidente, he let loose on TV:

http://youtube.com/embed/zbIcjveiAhk

"When is [it] the right time to talk about a mentally unstable president in the White House and a nuclear showdown with another unstable madman in North Korea?"

Sadly, the GOP in Congress will keep supporting him as long as he can hold a pen well enough to sign whatever they put in front of him. And don't expect the members of the cabinet to invoke Article 4 of the 25th Amendment.....

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« Reply #6439 on: November 30, 2017, 09:28:23 PM »
Impeachment cannot happen soon enough -- but that means Pence as president. Unless (as I predict it will) the Russian investigation swallows him up first.

I feel like one of Napoleon's troops during the retreat from Moscow: it's gonna be a looooooooong winter :)
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« Reply #6440 on: December 01, 2017, 08:52:18 AM »
Every Republican Senator and Representative, every member of his cabinet, every member of the leadership of the GOP: they all have placed all of us in mortal danger by not doing something. And why? So that their donors can get a tax cut. A tax cut which will also materially benefit all of them -- including the man haunting the White House.

Now I hear that Rex Tillerson is about to be replaced as Secretary of State by Mike Pompeo, current head of the CIA. And the man tipped to replace Pompeo as head of the spooks? Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton.
 
This is more than not being normal. This is culpable. This is insanity.

The next step to install a militaristic regime by including Pompeo into the junta organization with the Nazi Trumpelstilsken as leading head. I think I should go and compare which military members were state secretary under Adolf Hitler. The number might be similar or soon similar.
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« Reply #6441 on: December 01, 2017, 03:48:56 PM »
Impeachment cannot happen soon enough -- but that means Pence as president. Unless (as I predict it will) the Russian investigation swallows him up first.

This just in:

New York Daily News: "Michael Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI over Russia contacts he discussed with 'senior' Trump official"

In the analysis of this development on Twitter, Seth Abramson says in part:

"Deals like this are offered *only* when a witness can incriminate someone "higher up the food-chain" than them. In the case of the nation's former National Security Advisor, the only people above him in the executive-branch hierarchy are the President and the Vice President....What this indicates—beyond any serious doubt—is the following: Special Counsel Bob Mueller, the former Director of the FBI, believes Mike Flynn's testimony will incriminate the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, or both of these two men.

For this reason, what's about to happen in 50 minutes is far and away the biggest development thus far in the Trump-Russia probe, and likely the biggest development in U.S. politics since President Nixon resigned from office during the Watergate scandal.

This is historic."


Thanks, Obama.
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« Reply #6442 on: December 01, 2017, 11:20:26 PM »
Meanwhile, the Senate GOP's "Fuck You if You're Not a Millionaire" tax bill looks like it's going to pass. Right now, they're doing what's called a "Vote-o-Rama" on the many amendments being added.

Remember, the whole reason for ramming this piece of shit through without any of the usual hearings and procedures was so that the GOP could give El Presidente a Christmas present. Not so it would have any benefit for the country, but so Donnie could have a "win".

You know, if the country is still worth saving next autumn, there should be a "litmus test" question for all Congressional candidates:

Who do you serve - America, Donald Trump, or the wealthy?
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« Reply #6443 on: December 02, 2017, 07:54:33 PM »
Pretty much every single member of Congress is a land owner or a business owner, and most of them are millionaires. Some of them are even high centi-millionaires. Like I said earlier, isn't there a legal principle that says that one cannot be judge in one's own case? How in the hell could they get away with this when they know it will materially benefit them? And let's not even talk about their leader who claims to be a billionaire.

This is such bullshit. Trickle-down economics has never worked. Ever. Why do they keep on trying this "experiment" on the American people, their supposed constituents, when they know it will materially harm them? And more importantly, why do Americans still vote for Republicans, when they always fuck them over every chance they get?

This is insanity.
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« Reply #6444 on: December 03, 2017, 04:21:13 AM »
Trickle-down economics has never worked.
It doesn't - and it wont.  And they'll lose eventually.  But in the meantime they're getting richer.

The rich get their wealth selling to the poor, or poorer.  But if the poor can't afford to buy, then the whole house of cards will fail.
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« Reply #6445 on: December 03, 2017, 04:21:47 AM »
Pretty much every single member of Congress is a land owner or a business owner, and most of them are millionaires. Some of them are even high centi-millionaires. Like I said earlier, isn't there a legal principle that says that one cannot be judge in one's own case? How in the hell could they get away with this when they know it will materially benefit them? And let's not even talk about their leader who claims to be a billionaire.

This is such bullshit. Trickle-down economics has never worked. Ever. Why do they keep on trying this "experiment" on the American people, their supposed constituents, when they know it will materially harm them? And more importantly, why do Americans still vote for Republicans, when they always fuck them over every chance they get?

This is insanity.

Because democrats would have said they raise taxes for the strong, for the rich. This directly corresponds with extremly dumb people saying this is communism. Then voting for the 1st Nazi-US president. And the result of his tax reform will be that long term the poor and middle class will have higher taxes to fix the increasing national delta. The rich will be protected. They are required to run a totalitarian, militaristic, fascist nations.

In Nazi Germany the rich were required to produce war material, to support the war, to support the Nazi regime. The poor and middle class started poor after WW I. Then the economic recession came, they were in a bad situation, when the Nazis came till end of the WWII they even had less. And even before WW II they had dropping income. They just didn't realize it they didn't want to see it, because the Nazi ideology gave them a comfortable home. And the reason for there illgoing was anyway someone else guilt.

I see too many parallelism today in Trumpelstilzken and the far right Nazi extremist terrorists.

This tax reform is one of the pieces to establish what Germany has seen 80 years ago.
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« Reply #6446 on: December 03, 2017, 04:25:25 AM »
Trickle-down economics has never worked.
It deosn't - and it wont.  And they'll lose eventually.  But in the meantime they're getting richer.

The rich get their wealth selling to the poor, or poorer.  But if the poor can't afford to buy, then the whole house of cards will fail.

That's why always an enemy (best: internal and external) is required to fight against and extend this phase longer. It's  red herring.
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« Reply #6447 on: December 03, 2017, 08:09:46 PM »
Michael Flynn story.... much ado about nothing. Yet again.

It was not historic. It was not Watergate level. It was a nothing taco.
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

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« Reply #6448 on: December 04, 2017, 07:49:02 PM »
Here's what the GOP rammed down our throats at two in the morning this past Saturday.

Some lowlights:

Elimination of the health insurance mandate - so roughly 13 million people will lose their health insurance.
Grad students will now count their tuition wavers as taxable income, making it even more expensive to get a graduate degree than it was previously.
A includes a declaration that life begins at conception.
It allows more oil drilling in Alaska.
It eliminates the Johnson Amendment, which will allow people to write off their political donations as charitable donations.
Private jet owners get a tax break.

Below is a photo of the actual final version of the bill - the one that was voted on. Note the handwritten amendments in the margin.

In the end, the bill had 500 pages - and senators were given only an hour to read it before voting on it.

You know how Nancy Pelosi gets tarred and feathered for her "We had to pass it to find out what's in it" line about the Affordable Care Act? That line got ripped out of context and twisted into the exact opposite - but it applies even more here. Because now, it's true.

Fuck the GOP. Vote Democrat in 2018.
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Well, it's a marvelous night for a Moondance
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To the sound of the breezes that blow...

Van Morrison, Moondance

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« Reply #6449 on: December 05, 2017, 01:36:51 PM »
Here's what the GOP rammed down our throats at two in the morning this past Saturday.

Some lowlights:

Elimination of the health insurance mandate - so roughly 13 million people will lose their health insurance.
Grad students will now count their tuition wavers as taxable income, making it even more expensive to get a graduate degree than it was previously.
A includes a declaration that life begins at conception.
It allows more oil drilling in Alaska.
It eliminates the Johnson Amendment, which will allow people to write off their political donations as charitable donations.
Private jet owners get a tax break.

Below is a photo of the actual final version of the bill - the one that was voted on. Note the handwritten amendments in the margin.

In the end, the bill had 500 pages - and senators were given only an hour to read it before voting on it.

You know how Nancy Pelosi gets tarred and feathered for her "We had to pass it to find out what's in it" line about the Affordable Care Act? That line got ripped out of context and twisted into the exact opposite - but it applies even more here. Because now, it's true.

Fuck the GOP. Vote Democrat in 2018.

My grandmother said to such a hand writing (1 to 1 Translation from German to English): Pig clawing

And in case of GOP it fits.
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