[GALVATRON]

bwaaaaaaahhhh!

Yeah but with fewer Canadians.

[notty]

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Real said:
oh no for sure.  i can imagine that sentiment being especially prevalent in a system that works to shut out all but 2 parties form existing.  

i was more specifially refering to the statement by notty that his vote is "the only form of protest that matters."  i mean its well within your right for sure.  but it doesnt matter in any tangible sense whatsoever really.  you know, they just go on and run things the way they will without you or your imput...

I'm a girl, genius.  What guy goes by 'Notty' and has a cutesy cat as his avatar?

So, according to you, any vote not cast for the major parties is a wasted vote?  I don't feel that way.  We must agree to disagree.

What's your problem, anyway?  I don't tell you how you should vote.  Extend to me the same courtesy.

Grr...Notty getting...angry...Notty want to...slap faces...kick testicles back into the cavities from whence they descended...

[notty]

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collared_cherri said:
A tick box needs to be added to the voting paper that says "No confidence".  

Thank you for the assist, mon cherri.  The hyenas were circling and it was getting awfully lonely around here.

I love the idea of a "no confidence" box!

[notty]

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TheZookie007 said:
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!

That idea is...flippin brilliant!  The Boss as the boss!  Let's make it happen.

[Real]

ah, sorry miss.  i just figured since we were on a discussion forum id discuss the matter at hand as i saw it...

[mastert]

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Hugeboobfan said:

The 3rd parties in the US are stuck in a catch-22: they can't attract many voters unless they have some realistic chance of winning elections (or at least get 5-10% of the vote), and they can't have a realistic chance of winning elections until they attract more voters.  
 

The Democrats AND Republicans don't want a third party and they do it by controlling the media and just outpricing their competition. How did they do it, they tried to shun Ross Perot in 1992 and did shun Ralph Nader from the debates in 2000. The internet hurts major party candidates because it's a free tool to market yourself which is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a TV commercial or a newspaper ad. It also costs a fortune to get on a ballot, Stephen Colbert made fun of this when he ran as a presidential candidate in SC for both parties. If campaigns were publically funded, then anybody could run for president. This is a short argument but anyway....

There's also our simple minded that there are only 2 solutions to a problem, Republicans represent 1 solution and Democrats represent the other. Until people get fed up with both parties and just write in a third candidate, it won't end anytime soon.

[3deroticer]

I think if you as a citizen have a ceiling limits of your contribution to your candidate, then the lobbyist should also have the same restriction. If corporation have been granted citizenship rights then as citizen they are limited to the funding of $2,500 to their candidate.

[TheZookie007]

Yeah, I always wondered about that. Individuals are allowed to donate no more than $2500 or whatever to a candidate, yet I keep hearing about these fundraisers that charge $10,000 a plate or whatever. (Damn, at those prices, those plates had better be made of solid gold and you should be allowed to go home with them!) What's the deal with that?

[Hugeboobfan]

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mastert said:

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Hugeboobfan said:

The 3rd parties in the US are stuck in a catch-22: they can't attract many voters unless they have some realistic chance of winning elections (or at least get 5-10% of the vote), and they can't have a realistic chance of winning elections until they attract more voters.  
 

The Democrats AND Republicans don't want a third party and they do it by controlling the media and just outpricing their competition. How did they do it, they tried to shun Ross Perot in 1992 and did shun Ralph Nader from the debates in 2000. The internet hurts major party candidates because it's a free tool to market yourself which is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a TV commercial or a newspaper ad. It also costs a fortune to get on a ballot, Stephen Colbert made fun of this when he ran as a presidential candidate in SC for both parties. If campaigns were publically funded, then anybody could run for president. This is a short argument but anyway....

There's also our simple minded that there are only 2 solutions to a problem, Republicans represent 1 solution and Democrats represent the other. Until people get fed up with both parties and just write in a third candidate, it won't end anytime soon.

Yes, the media has been a serious obstacle to third parties gaining any ground in the US.  The internet could possibly change this, at least until it becomes more tightly controlled and regulated.  I think Ron Paul could have done fairly well as a 3rd party candidate had he run on the libertarian ticket, and even though he ran as a republican, the media still did quite the hush-hush job on him.

[steveo]

Agreed mofoapoo! We shouldnt bail out anyone... specially all the Democrat Wallstreet Bankers and Fannie and Freddie cronies of our present congress. Let em all fail!

[steveo]

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DruulEmpire said:
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Second: I think Russia (!!!) once had a None of the Above option in its elections.  Admirable -- would have been more admirable if it kept away Putin ...

Aye... bring back *None of the Above*...!!!! I would use it this year.

[ChrisR1]

 

[mofoapoo]

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steveo said:
Agreed mofoapoo! We shouldnt bail out anyone... specially all the Democrat Wallstreet Bankers and Fannie and Freddie cronies of our present congress. Let em all fail!

wat?

The president have been giving these companies all the freedom they want.  When big business is free, it's happy, it's able to exploit way more money.  When doing that gets it into trouble, then it's okay for "conservatives" to bail them out.

Congress has been democratic for less than 2 years, you think all these things happened in only the span of 2 years?  Besides, congress is pointless right now the way it is.  Anything the democrats want to pass, the president vetos.  They don't ever have a 2/3 majority, it's always a 50/50 split.

But I guess that is typical of a republican view (keep in mind i say republican, not conservative).  Anything wrong is to blame everyone who isn't a republican, even when they have little to no power.  hell, even when congress was a majority republican, they blame democrats.

[TheZookie007]

Did you see Bill Clinton and Chris Rock on Late Night with David Letterman the other night?

(video)

[collared_cherri]

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TheZookie007 said:
Did you see Bill Clinton and Chris Rock on Late Night with David Letterman the other night?

(video)

Your link didn't work for me Zookie, but I youtubed and found it.  Twas funny.