[3deroticer]

Funny!

I actually think the world is fine just as it is, even with death and war, as everything will find a balance. I am not here to change anyone, nor have I ever tell you what you should do with your life. I don't tell you to shut up ever. I don't tell you how you should think even. I think Ghandi would tell you that you first respect yourself in order to respect others. I have hurt other people's feeling and I make amend by apologizing and for that I have become closer to the person. The world is what you make it to be, so if you feel that its gloom and doom with what I say about, such as purging of the votes. It isn't gloom and doom for those become aware and get out the vote. It is for those that don't think they can make a difference, that would see the world as gloom.

It's been pretty calm lately, and I have mistaken that this is in the past, but for the most part it has. I am overall very please, and to hear that someone now feel that they can discuss without dreading doing so lately is a very good omen.

I don't know you, and most likely never know you, but I have seen the better of you that is thoughtful and kind. I have express hope with Obama, and to me that has been the underline message for the most part I express about him. I don't see how talking about Obama as doom and gloom.

I don't know what to tell you. I know from your other post that you are not happy with Obama. Could it be that your projecting your doom and gloom of Obama onto me??

As for what fuels me is love. I teach Tai Chi to bunch of old fart in nursing home and make them smile and feel better about themselves. I listen to them banter their forgetful mind with a smile and hear the same story like I heard it the first time. They are old, senile, and have trouble talking, but I still love them as if they were my own grandparents. I am not limited to how smart, articulate, like minded to my opinion, or agile they are to express love and kindness.

[gOOber]

An uninformed and unfortunate view of some.

 

[notty]

**edited for crazy talk

[3deroticer]

I sat for years with my pastor for 10 years until I found out that he thinks Gay people should not be part of the congregation, or partake in any church function of fellowshipping with the rest of us. Plus the church have several ordain minister, and nobody is perfect. Even if one person was disrespectful, that does not merits abandoning christianity. In this case Obama denounce his pastor. Was it too late?? It would be like me saying it's too late for you and I to bond together after 2 years of literary warfare. I personally don't think Obama's pastor reflect who Obama is as a person. I haven't seen Obama speak the same views of that of Reverend Wright.

Your opinion are always in consideration of my undertaking. Your thoughts counts as worthy to be heard, whether I agree or not.

[TheZookie007]

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gOOber said:
An uninformed and unfortunate view of some.

   

And that causes problems like this:

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MSNBC: "N.Y. mixup: 'Barack Osama' on ballot"

Who is running for president? In an upstate New York county, hundreds of voters have been sent absentee ballots in which they could vote for “Barack Osama.”

The absentee ballots sent to voters in Rensselaer County identified the two presidential candidates as “Barack Osama” and “John McCain.” In the United States, the best-known individual named Osama is Osama bin Laden, leader of the al Qaida terrorist group behind the 2001 attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center in New York City.

The typographical terror error was first reported by the Times Union of Albany.

The elections office faxed a statement in which the two commissioners, Democrat Edward McDonough and Republican Larry Bugbee, said they regret the error but never acknowledge what the error was.

“It’s human error, it’s very unfortunate, it’s an embarrassment to our office, obviously,” McDonough said in a later phone interview. “We wish we could turn back the clock, but we can’t.”

When they discovered the mistake, officials shredded the remaining “Osama” ballots and mailed correct versions to the roughly 300 people who had already received them.

McDonough said the “Osama” mistake was made in only one of the 13 ballot versions mailed throughout the county, located east of the state capital of Albany.

Voters who received both versions will be allowed to send in either one and have it counted, McDonough said.

Obama spokesman Blake Zeff said the campaign is “glad officials are working to correct this error and we assume it won’t happen again.”

And then you have racist idiots like Michelle Malkin trying to make light of this. "Typo" my ass -- "s" and "b" are nowhere near themselves on the keyboard.

[TheZookie007]

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1) That he only distanced himself from Jeremiah Wright when it was politically expedient.  The fact that Obama sat idly by through 20 years of Wright's "sermons" is troubling to me.

Have you listened to all of Wright's sermons in their entirety over the last 20 years? Did every single one of them contain inflammatory statements? And in any case, were any of the inflammatory statements entirely unjustified?

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2) That he considers himself a blank screen on which people project whatever they want to see.

He didn't say that. Here is the quote in context, taken from page 11 of The Audacity of Hope:

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Undoubtedbly, some of these views will get me in trouble, I am new enough on the national political screen that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripe project their own views. As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them. Which perhaps indicates a second, more intimate theme to this book - namely how I or anybody else in public office, can avoid the pitfalls of fame, the hunger to please, the fear of loss, and thereby retain that kernel of truth, that singular voice within each of us that reminds us of our deepest commitments.

That is a much different idea from just baldly stating "he said he's a blank screen".

[Hugeboobfan]

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1) That he only distanced himself from Jeremiah Wright when it was politically expedient.  The fact that Obama sat idly by through 20 years of Wright's "sermons" is troubling to me.

Have you listened to all of Wright's sermons in their entirety over the last 20 years? Did every single one of them contain inflammatory statements? And in any case, were any of the inflammatory statements entirely unjustified?

And let's not forget that McCain has cuddled up to fundamentalist crackpots like Hagee and Falwell, who routinely spout(ed) all sorts of inflammatory nonsense.

For the last 20+ years the GOP has allowed fundamentalist christian conservatives to push their agenda into national politics.  I see no indication that Obama would allow his religious beliefs to dictate policy in the same manner.

[TheZookie007]

Exactly. It's like I said, we shouldn't turn this into a case "my (now-ex-)pastor is crazier than your (now-ex-)pastor". And how people can in one breath say Obama's a crypto-Muslim and at the same time say "...and his pastor hates America!" is beyond my sense of logic

[notty]

Okay, Zookie.  Whatever you say, Zookie.  I yield to your superior ideology and judgment of character.  Obama is wise.  Obama is great.  Obama will solve all our problems.  Yay Obama.

I'm so excited.

[TheZookie007]

I knew I could browbeat you into my way of thinking soon enough, notty

[notty]

Well, you know everything.

[3deroticer]

go zookie go
go zookie go
Yay! Notty sarcastically sees the wisdom of zookie!!

[notty]

Wow, I'm so glad I'm an Obamabot.  Now I don't have think about anything anymore!  Obama is wise.  Obama is great.  Obama will take care of everything now...le sigh... *dreamy-yet-vacant stare*

[Hugeboobfan]

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Wow, I'm so glad I'm an Obamabot.  Now I don't have think about anything anymore!  Obama is wise.  Obama is great.  Obama will take care of everything now...le sigh... *dreamy-yet-vacant stare*

There is a middle ground between "Obama is perfect" and "all politicians are the same and equally terrible", especially if you were basing your distrust of Obama mainly on his church affiliation and a bad interpretation of an excerpt from his book.

There are a lot of things I dislike about Obama but I'm not willing to be apathetic and assume all politicians are the same.  Not after the last eight years.

[notty]

But Obama *is* perfect!