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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2008, 04:11:00 PM »
bwaahhhhh!

There's a zeitgeist happening, and we are all caught up the Dolph Lundgren mania.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2008, 05:19:02 PM »
Dolph Lundgren!
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2008, 05:21:37 PM »
"I must break you!"

He did, too -- #4 was the best of them.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2008, 01:54:32 AM »
Kill that noise, dude. Clubber Lang would have kicked his Russian ass.

Remakes:
Journey To The Center of the Earth with Brendan Fraser...meh.

Around The World in 80 Days with Steve Coogan & Jackie Chan...meh.


I hear that they want to remake the 80s classic Fame (a case where the film, while good, was nowhere near as good as the TV show it spawned).
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2008, 08:47:59 AM »
Was there any real necessity to see anything of Journey to the Centre of The Earth if you had but glanced the trailer?

Much like another remake - Death Race - all salient plot was covered in the trailer, along with most of the action...

Sometimes it feels as if they're coming up with the trailers, then making the film around them... Underworld is an excellent example of that...
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2008, 12:11:23 PM »
Haven't read every post in this thread yet, but off the top of my head, there was no point in re-making The Manchurian Candidate--especially since it had nothing to do with the original, which is a classic.

Psycho (1998), with Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche, turned out to be better than I had anticiipated.  Under no circumstances is it on a par with Hitch's, but it isn't bad at all.  The dialogue is virtually the same, word for word.  Vaughn was suitably creepy.  Heche is no Janet Leigh, but few are.  William Macy plays the detective, Arbogast.


I haven't seen it, but I heard they re-made 12 Angry Men.  What a crime.  Classics shouldn't be re-made, IMHO.  A B-film or a modestly successful picture, well, OK, it's interesting to get a different take on it, but seriously, 12 Angry Men is a masterpiece.  To do that in real-time, address and resolve as many different issues with 12 speaking parts, all involved, was genius.

I keep thinking of Woody Boyd's line when the Cheers gang asked him about his role in the stage production of 12 Angry Men:  

"Well, actually there's only six of us, so we have to be twice as angry."

Re-makes are Hollywood's way of saying it has no originality.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2008, 01:30:14 PM »
I think they should remake movies with good premises that were executed badly.  'Logan's Run' is a good example; the novel had meaning and depth, while the film was dumbed-down and had a cheesy, '70s look.  I'm intrigued by the remake of 'Forbidden Planet'.  The producers say they will strive to keep the look and flavour of the original.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2008, 05:29:53 PM »
Remember when a lot of TV shows were spawned from popular movies? Now the trend is to make movies based on TV shows (I believe "Star Trek" was the first to do this), no matter how crappy (the show or movie).
Next: TV shows based on movies spawned by TV shows, and vice versa.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2008, 10:39:23 PM »
Oceans 11, then Oceans 12, then Oceans 13.
If this isn't enough reason to ban remakes, I don't know what it.

I rest my case.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2008, 10:40:52 PM »
Lest I forget...
The Italian Job!

BTW, anyone ever know what happened to the proposed follow-up "The Brazillian job"?  Or did that go straight to cable or dvd?
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2008, 11:47:27 PM »
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Lest I forget...
The Italian Job!

BTW, anyone ever know what happened to the proposed follow-up "The Brazillian job"?  Or did that go straight to cable or dvd?



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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2008, 12:55:45 AM »
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2008, 03:34:33 AM »
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Oceans 11, then Oceans 12, then Oceans 13.
If this isn't enough reason to ban remakes, I don't know what it.

I rest my case.



Not entirely fair. O11 is one of the purely enjoyable films of the decade. The two that followed, well, those were crap. Especially that middle one. I mean, Christ.

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I haven't seen it, but I heard they re-made 12 Angry Men.  What a crime.  Classics shouldn't be re-made, IMHO.  A B-film or a modestly successful picture, well, OK, it's interesting to get a different take on it, but seriously, 12 Angry Men is a masterpiece.  To do that in real-time, address and resolve as many different issues with 12 speaking parts, all involved, was genius.



I would call that an unfair statement too. I think remakes of classics can be fair play if they have something new to say with the passage of time, or a new angle to be taken. The Twelve Angry Men remake (a TV-movie, for Showtime I believe) is one the finest remakes I've ever seen. It was directed by William Friedkin (The Exorcist) and adapted by the original author, Reginald Rose, and the cast is without peer--even the most minor jurors are towering actors. Jack Lemmon, George C. Scott, Ossie Davis, Courtney B. Vance, Armin Mueller-Stahl, James Gandolfini, Hume Cronyn, Dorian Harewood, Mykelti Williamson, Edward James Olmos, William Petersen, Tony Danza (at his career best), and Mary McDonnell even appears as the judge. The award love the remake received is also some proof of how respected it was. I can definitely understand your feelings, but even with almost the same script, I think both versions stand alone unto themselves. This one's definitely worth checking out.

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Psycho (1998), with Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche, turned out to be better than I had anticiipated.  Under no circumstances is it on a par with Hitch's, but it isn't bad at all.  The dialogue is virtually the same, word for word.



Using more or less the same script is one thing, if the script is pretty much perfect (I would advocate the same if All About Eve ever got a revisit, for instance), but you neglected to mention that along with using the same script, the 1998 Psycho is a shot-for-shot remake of the original, and uses a re-recording of the original score. I don't understand the point of this. If someone's gonna use the same screenplay and storyboard the movie out so it's shot exactly the same (which essentially requires the exact same sets) and use the exact same music, then all you've done is take the original movie and drop new actors into it, which means all you've done is spend a whole lot of money to basically poke a hole in a classic film and let all the magic seep out. ::Shrug:: I really don't get it. I mean, that is the most LITERAL version of a remake, to the extent of being utterly pointless. It doesn't GET less original than that.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2008, 05:52:01 AM »
bwaaahhhh!

Danza rocked it in 12 Angry Men. Some have even called his performance Dolph Lundgren-esque. By "some", I mean "me", and by "called" I am reffering to just right now.
I liked the remake of 12 Angry Men.

About the shot-for-shot thing. I could understnad doing that for a big special effects movie. Like if someone made a shot-for-shot remake of Star Wars or Superman, purely to have new pretty effects, I'd get it. Psycho did not really need this treatment, but it is good to see William H. Macy in stuff.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2008, 06:05:18 AM »
"The Brazilian Job" should be the Sheyla Almeida Hershey story.
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