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Blax12

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To Zasha.
« on: February 24, 2003, 03:16:14 AM »
 
If I can I'd like to tell you how I resolve the problem of that strange effect when you use liquify to enlarge tits.

I usually do this: I pass blur over the enlarged part in order to compact the color. Then I selcet the interested area and apply a filter which in italian version of photoshop is called "disturbo". It is the 4th filter, the one after distortion. Choose gaussian mode (i often choose this mode) and regulate average (I suggest something from 1% to 2%). It gives to enlarged tits a natural look avoiding the problems of those blurring "veins of colors" (I don't know how to call them).

Hoping to be useful I attach a version of your last morph with taht correction. It is a too fast work but I think it can show how it works.

Blax12


 
 
 

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Zasha

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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2003, 03:53:14 PM »
Ahh...An elegant yet relatively simple solution.  Thank you, Blax, I'll experiment with that.  Have you been applying the blur before or after the liquify?

Liquify is kind of cheating, I know, to the establishment, but it seems that since I generally don't take my subjects out to cartoonish proportions it makes the most sense, and then a little touch-up afterwards.

I have been doing a little more with transplanting and slicing lately, for a more aggressive modification (especially in cases where there is little mass to work with).  I'll post three versions of the same image this evening, and hopefully get some more coaching...

I still haven't found a cut-and-dried high-quality solution for pattern replication...That's going to take some art skills that I haven't practiced, I suppose...
 
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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2003, 02:24:54 AM »
 
I use liquify a lot. I see it creates some problems, but I think most of them can be resolved by tricks like the one I told you. More important, if you use it properly, liquify gives a lot of good results because it enlarges the whole image. I mean, the cut-paste-enlarge routine makes tits bigger while the body is untouched. So, the area where tits and body are in contact usually doesn't fit. While using liquify you can enlarge boobs, leave the body at its size, but creating - at same time - a progressive enlargement/shrinking effect of the parts of the boobs and of the body which are connected to each other.
Then, liquify allows you to enlarge light & shadows too. So final image seems more natural.

Obviously it melts colors. Or it makes these "color veins".
One suggestion I'd like to give about using liquify is:on first step use the spherize brush, but don't be still on one point or that area will increase in size too much. You have got to move like a cirle over the boob. More if the tit is naked, in order not to deform the nipple. You gotta move around the nipple.
Use the spherize brush just on first touch. Then use the first tool, let's call it warping brush. With some practice you'll be able to create the shape of the tits you prefere. This tool - instead of spherize one - helps not to deform too much the color pattern.


Zasha, in order to perform that routine I told you about surely you have to liquify first, then use the blur. If you do the opposite you'll liquify a blurred image and it will be a mess. I use blur in that routine just in order to uniform the color patch when I have those "color veins". Then I use the filter as final step.

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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2003, 09:12:26 AM »
I've seen you two talking here...and have decided to report you to the 'anti-liquify establishment board'...!

Having stuck my pixelled head in here, i would say that when i use the liquify filter, i use it sparingly...still achieving the major part of the morfing process with one of the distortion tools which retains the proportional relationships....and then, but not always, i'll use  liquify for obtaining the final shape outline...and i use it more and more for waist reduction and booty enhancement...it ain't just about the boobs ya know!...it's a total proportional relationship thing, but then a woman would know that, wouldn't she...

An example of what i've mentioned above is the enhancement series i've been posting this week of the model Heather...
her boobs being close up and well detailed show, i think, that you can retain the fine detail such as the water droplets without any undue distortion problems or even the need for excessive blurring which can render a sense of: 'Hello, i've been painted!'.

But i have to say i've only just started using liquify recently and am still experimenting with it...and as with all tools, they can only be employed successfully by the eye of the artist.

Well, maybe i won't report you afterall...
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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2003, 10:09:10 AM »
"Liquify is kind of cheating"
 
Use what ever tool that works, I bet there are hundreds of different ways a pic can be morphed - just keep developing your bag of tricks and use the tricks that best work for you!
 
Blax and Jajay give good practical advice [as do morph tutorials]. Every picture will require a different combination of tools and techniques to be mastered into a final image - no 2 are exactly the same. I am sure in 12 months time you will have developed numerous strategies besides the ones you currently use!

More importantly, the hardest thing to develop is a perceived image - that is what in your mind you wish to achieve and the degree of realism you instil as a result of this personalized image. This will vary from artist to artist and is beyond doubt subjective, but I believe it is the fundamental foundation to a good morph [because artists will then strive to develop and perfect skills and techniques needed to achieve their desired image].

Its also good to see different versions of the same subject picture by the same artist [Just saw the 3 of the Zkprivatetransplants] - gives a bit of insight into the creative thought process, as different looks and tastes are perfected and skills and techniques are obviously developed.

Ok, this is a long-winded attempt at saying I like what you have done, I like where you're going, hope you keep enjoying what you do - and hope to see more of your works in the future!  

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Zasha

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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2003, 11:28:38 PM »
Thank you all for your comments and praise!  I truly am flattered...I only hope to improve.

Blax - Yes, I found out in an experiment last night the better order...

Like I said earlier, many times it makes more sense for me to use Liquify because of the (usually) small rate of change that I apply.

But I'd hate to be known as a one-trick pony!  
 
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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2003, 02:32:38 AM »
 
No, sorry here we have got two different matters.

First: I take for sure that liquify is not one magical solution to all problems. It surely resolve some problems while it creates new problems. So it is a matter of good qualities and bad qualities. IMHO good qualities overcome bad qualities, most of all because I think I can find solutions to 90% of the problems that liquify creates.
Then it is sure that no always you can use liquify: some pics need different morphing routines.

The second matter is this silly definition of liquify as "tricky". It depends on what you mean by tricky: according to my dictionary, in english tricky means "that could make jokes", so if you mean it can create problems I say I don't think so.
If you mean trick as "swindle" I have only one question:
Are you kidding? We are morphers. Everything we do is a trick, a deceit, a swindle. We make a trick by graphics and we create what was not there before. What's the problem with liquify? This is just a new tool that can help to improve quality of our morphs, like new processors, new video cards, new softwares and so on.

Then you can choose to use it or not if you think it is useful or not.

I really don't get the "tricky" problem. What's the "moral" difference between the "enlarge" tool and the "liquify" tool? You only have to work on what you obtain in both cases not to show signs of your morphing.

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Zasha

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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2003, 10:29:26 PM »
Uh-oh...That darned laguage barrier has popped up its head again...

Your first paragraph is right on, and what we were all saying, but some of us were saying it in slang and euphamisms.

When KBA said "bag of tricks", he meant it in terms of "range of skills" or "ability in different techniques."

And when I said "one-trick pony," that is an old American (I think) slang expression that more or less means that the "pony" (in this case, me) only knows one skill, one way.

I don't believe that any of us meant to use the word "trick" in any deceitfull connotation...
 
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Re: To Zasha.
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2003, 02:30:31 AM »
 

Oops, I'm sorry I trusted my dictionary too much.

But I also saw you talking about liquify as "a kind of cheating to the establishment".
I think some of the "old" morphers - those who "invented" the "copy-paste-enlarge" routine - consider liquify "too fast, too easy and it creates distortions". So they don't like it.

I think all the morphing routines create problems and all of them need retouchments. So liquify it's too fast and too easy only if you don't care about perfecting what you get by using this tool.

Anyway, thank you for helping me to improve my puny english. This forum is the only chance I have to make some exercise and to keep in touch with your language.

Blax12