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Silicone vs. Saline?
« on: November 29, 2001, 09:57:00 AM »
Hi everybody!

I first want to thank everyone for directing me to places where I could find info about docs who will do large implants.  I have found the doctor that I want to perform the surgery.  To get the tremendously large size of implants that I want though, I have to custom order them.  My question now is, which kind of implants are preferred and why?  I have heard that silicone implants can be bad for your health, but I know of many large breasted women who seem to prefer silicone over saline.  So my question is:  which is better, silicone or saline and why?  Do you guys and girls have any ideas or opinions?  Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

Kathy


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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2001, 10:42:00 AM »
Ask Melonie Charm - she's a good specialist. However, as concerning me, I can't say exactly if the implants on saline or on silicone base are more preferable. It depends first of theirs construsion. The minus of saline implants is that they can leak and finally, then you'll move, your breasts will make funny noises.   Theirs big plus is that saline can be absorbed by body meat without any damages for this one. For silicone the situation is different - it provoques sometimes very dangerous results - but the implants does not leak.
However, if we take into consideration that you'll not be able to have the big pair of inflated implants right now (it will take a lot of time to expand the skin, inflating them), it will be interesting for you to get the pair of expandable implants. However, you can be sure, that these implants finally can reach the maximum possible size available for this kind of implants (IMHO - 2500cc or 3000cc for not customers made implants), allowed by USA legislation.  For illustration - the maximum size of fully inflated expandable implants allowed in USA is about 1,5 times larger than the size of Mustress Rhiannon current pair of implants.
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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »
Alright .. who sits around and makes laws about how big women can make their breasts????

-Munch "I want that job" Wolf


Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2001, 09:39:00 PM »
It seems for the large implants silicon works much better than the saline.  As for the harmful effects of siicon, there is 0 medical evidence for this.  In fact, prleminary research has indicated that silicone may have a mild anti-cancer effect. In any case both saline and silicon have a hardened shell of silicon.

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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2001, 10:33:00 PM »
I’m with BypassCatch22 all the way.  There has been no, repeat no medical evidence that silicon implants pose any type of health risk.  Many women prefer them because they have a more natural feel.  The famous court case against Dow has turned out to be a sham.  The women in that case who complained of problems from their implants did not have a higher occurrence of sickness than people with out implants.  As an example, women who get implants tend to also have a much higher rate of smoking, **94**, and poor eating habits (not trying to offend anyone here, just quoting the statistics). This type of life style is likely to cause the types of illnesses that the women who brought suit against Dow suffered from.  

I vote silicon.


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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2001, 10:56:00 PM »
To Bypass Catch: "0 medical evidence" ? You are 100% wrong. About 28% of women have a strong negative reaction for silicone and about 6-8% of women have some weak manifestations of negative reaction. It's an evident medical fact. Medical fact for me, but not for USA manufacturers of medical selicone who are ready to pay well to the specialists and to buy theirs positive opinion for public. Don't forget, that in USA medical silicone is a good business. Just imagine, what will happen with this business if the information about negative effect of silicone will be verified.
To Munch Wolf: Well, about 6 years ago the Congress of USA adopted the law there were limited the sizes of breasts implants (on silicone and on saline base), because of the problems with insurance of big sized implants.
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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2001, 11:04:00 PM »
Sorry, I'm just boggled that they probably had a committee that did research with flowcharts and models and held long meetings ... and damn ... I would have wanted to see that

-Munch "I could have helped with the research ... well if they're this big, she tips over ..." Wolf


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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2001, 12:56:00 AM »
I know I'm going to get reamed for this one, but...

Silicon implants?  Isn't that what 7 of 9 has? ^_^

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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2001, 02:58:00 AM »
And if I remember correctly, they gave her a lot of trouble and she was trying to get them removed.

Bill "The Borg assimilated me and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" N


Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2001, 03:59:00 PM »
Kathy,

I belong to a yahoo club where the moderator forwarded a mail from Dr. Johnson (of string implant and huge implant fame...Chelsea Charms and Minka are two of his patients).  The following mail contains some information that may be helpful to you.  I hope it helps.  Good luck and please keep us posted as to what you do.

---BEGIN DR. JOHNSON'S EDITED MAIL---

   As you know, I have experience with the very large implants - Minka and
Chelsea Charms are my patients.  Obviously, there are other doctors who can do
or have done the large breast surgeries, however, I do not know who they are.
I would not recommend that you refer any of your friends who want to be big
breasted to doctors outside the USA.
   For over over 3000cc implants (saline only - no silicone), contact Lynn
Sailey and tell him I referred you:  [email protected]. ---
   The size implant a woman can accept depends on her size.  A large woman
could hold a much larger volume on her chest than a woman who wears a size 2
dress.  The important factor is  --- the proportion between the total volume of
the girl's natural breasts + the size of the implant in relation to the size of
her chest --- A 100 lb girl with 1000cc implants will have breasts that are
twice proportionally, that is, 2x the size as a 200 lb girl with the same
implants (if they are both flat chested).
   If yu wear a 32 bra, each cup size is approximately 130cc.  If you are an
32 A cup already, to increase to a C cup would be: 2 x 130cc = 260cc for each
implant.  For a 34 bra size, each additional cup size is approximately 150cc.
For a 36 bra size, each cup size is 175.  For a 38 bra, each cup size is 200cc.
If you need to know more about estimating the size you need, please contact me.
   The very large implants used by girls in the adult entertainmnet business
are no longer available in the USA.  From my 28 years of experience, for a girl
who has never had implants, I can insert a 400cc to 700cc implant.  If the girl
already has fairly large breasts or a lot of extra skin in her breasts, maybe
up to 1500ccs.  Second operation, we could go 1300ccs to 1800ccs, then in 3 to
6 months - 2000ccs to 2500ccs.
   Large silicone/saline or saline implants can be obtained from France that
you can pay US customs on.  It is necessary when you have large implants put in to buy.
It is necessary when you are having very large implants to purchase a spare
in case one is accidentally damaged.  On a first procedure, I have put in a
1500cc going through the belly button - a surgery I have performed many times.
I will not put in a foreign implant unless the patient can show me proof that
the duty (tax) has been paid.
   If you are interested in very large foreign implants, call Robin at
1-800-593-0011 or 713-960-9334 and she can give you the information to contact
the factory to order the size you want.  As I recall, these implants cost $500
to $700 each.  If your ultimate goal is to have 2000cc plus, I suggest a
moderate profile round implant - 1800ccs.
   My fee for a virgin breast surgery (no implants) is $3,500 and does not
include the cost of the implants.  If you already have implants in place, my
fee would range from $4,000 to $5,000, but I need an office visit to know for
sure.  For 2nd, 3rd or more procedures, the cost depends on the time to do
them.  For surgery particulars (drugs used for sedation, etc.) please contact
me.

PPP Implants
    I have personally placed a moratorium on augmenting, re-augmenting, or
replacing existing imlants with the PPP string until a reliable breast implant
manufacturer is willing to commit to working with me on their development,
production and FDA approval.
    I hesitate to call this material new, because it has been used for 35
years in surgery.  If you want to inform yourself about the PPP material, click on the
link: htp://www.davol.com/mesh.htm. It is presently the least reactive of all
foreign implant materials, save for stainless steel - and it doens't make very
good breat implants!!!
   To read material about these new implants that I have presented, click on
this link:  http://www.certified-plastic-surg.com/publicatl.htm.   We have done
60 patients with this new implant and continue to track any complications. All
surgeries have a possibility of complications, but with this new implant
material we have had very few problems.  We are working toward FDA approval and
it is only a matter of time.
   We have not had any true spherical capsular contractures as would be seen
with a silicone or saline implant.  There are varying degrees of firmness just
as in natural breasts.  When the string implants are inserted, they are firm.
At the time of the surgery, we inject saline into the pocket after we have the
breasts closed "water tight".  The saline is absorbed by the body and in time
the body replaces the saline with its own serum.  The more serum your body
produces, the softer the breasts feel...however, if not enough serum is formed,
we can inject saline into the new pocket. The implants take the shape of their container, which is the breast-skin
envelope of the patient.  As for their "feel", most physicians could not tell
the difference between the string augmented breasts and an un-augmented breast.
   The procedure for augmentation with the string is different though similar
to other augmentations in that a pocket is created.  I use a tissue
expander/dissector to create the pocket because the tissue expander/dissector
can be done with a very small incision.  Chances of a hematoma formation is 20
times LESS likely than with other techiques and chances of nipple sensation
loss is one percent versus 15-30 percent with other techniques.
   I prefer to place the implant ABOVE the muscle - that's is where NATURE put
your breast tissue.  I will only perform sub-muscular placement in unusual circumstances.
   When they are normal, these string implants feel more like the real thing
than any other type of implant (except fat) and I've done breast implants on
over 10,000 patients since 1972.  Forty of the string implant patients had
previous silicone or saline implants with complications.  EVERY patient stated
the string implants felt more like a part of them then their previous implants
had.
   When the time comes that I am ready to accept new string patients, I
probably will not accept everyone as a patient for string implant surgery.  An
office visit is best.  It is difficult to consult over the phone or through
email.  If you are really interested, please call our office at 1-800-593-0011
or 1-713-960-9334. My email is: [email protected].


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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2001, 05:38:00 PM »
Hi Kathy!

Double Lumens (two chambered) would be my overall choice. A silicone inner core surrounded by an inflateable saline filled outer shell.

For example Mistress Rhiannon, Wendy Whoppers Largest set, Deena Duos currently, Treasure Chest etc. Lisa Lipps has saline-saline Double Lumens.

Kayla Kleevage had a post up awhile ago about wanting to get Double Lumens produced in the USA again.

Melonie Charm probably has more current experience with almost every type of implant than anyone else I know, and is very smart too :-)

Salines are heavier than silicone and the double lumen implant has the advantages of being lighter and also less inclined to slosh around and ripple the way saline alone can do.

bye4now!

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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2001, 07:47:00 PM »
From my own hands on experience I like the saline more. Silicone seems to me to capsulate (harden) more and sooner. Of course you have to vigerously massage either always to keep them loose but saline seems to give more leverage for that. Makes it easier to do.

As an experiment you can put a piece of slicone in your mouth under your tounge, chew on it for an hour and see how it reacts and think about if you want that possibly leaking into your chest.

SAMU


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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2001, 08:10:00 PM »
Hmm.. can I just take your word for it?

I'm horrible with a subject like this. The only implants I've ever felt were string.

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Re: Silicone vs. Saline?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2001, 09:33:00 PM »
-_-^ don't even look me, i nevertouched a boob in my life(cept when I was a baby, but yeah like im gonna remember).

Hmm...watch the movie Breastmen, and see that fool from friends "Ross" make a fool of himself ha ha ha.

My cousin says that when you have implants, when you go swimming, there boobs sink! Is that true?

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