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« Reply #195 on: January 18, 2002, 02:31:00 PM »
Well, here are some illustrations of my words, - to do my analyse I’ve choosen the 1st part of “chippy_5.wmv” video clip. Let’s examine YN behavior during this short video episode, using “step-by-step” mode and let’s try to find something unusual in her behavior.
The first one thing that can be immediately observed in this movie is that YN copies the positions, the gestures and the actions of someone, who stands behind the cameraman (just check her eyes). As you understand – this is a woman (the most usual these women-“instructors” also are 100% naked during  the shooting of the film, to encourage the young girls). There is also a man behind the filming camera, who gives her orders. Without them YN does not know, that to do – check the time “00:20” – this is a moment, then she does not understand, that to do, - she receives an order from the man, that contradicts with the indications of the woman-“instructor” (finally YN follows the indications of “instructor” and she stands in indecision.   It does not mean, however, that she’s mentally ill (or she’s oligophrene), but it manifests with evidence, that she does not know, what to do during shooting, and she needs in someone, who can help her anytime – she just copies his/her actions and executes orders. At the same time – even the 100% null in porno-business normal 18 y.o. girl can easily learn all these well-known positions and the order of theirs execution. There are also special trainings before the shooting, that allow to learn these positions well. In case of YN, we have an illustration, that she can’t remember these positions and theirs order and she needs in help of  “instructor”. This is the first sign, that something is wrong with her (even if she’s completely innocent and understands nothing).
The second one thing – check her body constitution – it’s very important image. She has a torso constitution of 40 y.o. woman. As you understand it – it’s not an usual situation for 18 y.o. normal girl, but for girl-oligophren this is an ordinary sitation, - like the following of accelerated growth and hormonal disfunction, that often provoques not only accelerated development of oligophren body, but also some disproportions in it (and also the disproportions of internal organs – f.e. 18 y.o. oligophren can have the heart of 10 y.o. girl). Like an illustration – check first the time “00:03” and examine her legs (you can see the visible movement of muscles, that is completely normal and visible for the legs of 40 y.o. woman, but not visible and not normal  for the legs of 18 y.o. girl – these movements can be also observed during the whole episode) and second check the time “00:29” – you can see YN thin legs of 18 y.o. girl and you can compare them to YN torso and body of 40 y.o. woman. Her famous breasts are also the part and the result of this hormonal disfunction (theirs shape and form are the shape and form of 40 y.o. woman, having by mystery the young girl’s skin). As I wrote if before, the origin of oligophrenia is in disfunction of “h.talamus” or of  “talamus” (small brain organoids, “responsible” for normal function and balance of endocrynological system), - then they are underdeveloped or if they have any pathology – the body development can become very fast (it also concerns the puberty and development of sexual organs), - that manifests with evidence the case of oligophrenie – most of oligophrens already have well-developed bodies in young age. Like YN has it in our case (not only her – I have seen enough girls-oligophrens during my work and I can say that for them this is normal situation – 13 y.o. girl can easily look like 25 y.o. woman).
The time “00:38” – “excellent” smile for normal 18 y.o. girl. This is a typical smile of girl/boy-oligophren.
The time “00:51” – you can observe again YN 40 y.o. body constitution, as also you can examine well her forms – they look like “clumsy work made of wood” – very well, but crudely done.  This is almost common body constitution and its forms structure for girls-oligophrenes (I described the reasons of it before).
The time “01:00-01:12” – famous naivety of girl/boy – oligophren, as also the “famous” specific expresiion of oligophren’s  face (also know as “Parker case” . Then the camera is close to YN face, they both become visible and evident even for not-specialists.
That’s all for this clip. However, in other clips there are more specific traits, that allow to say with almost 100% evidence, that YN is girl-oligophren.  Anymore questions ?
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« Reply #196 on: January 18, 2002, 02:56:00 PM »
3Deroticer: I dont get it? shadow sees nothing wrong with advocating self injection of illegal drugs to a 16 year old for penis enlargement.

My origin !   Schnell !   I have never written it in my messages. And especially about "self injection of illegal drugs to 16 year old". Well, there is my message, from there you took it ? It's 100% your own fantasy.    Enough stupid fantasy.    Or you think that if you deleted my messages here, this means that I don't have any copies of my materials, posted here ? Really, very strange and stupid fantasy from your part.    

To Packman: You see, you are 100% right. But what can I do ? I can only do one thing - ask these people to don't post in BEA galleries any of YN pictures and to don't publish in BEA any info about her. They don't wont it. Because I can't prove to not-specialists that this girl is: 1) oligophren; 2) not adult. This is the single problem, that we have now. However, it will be an interesting thing to see the sample, how someone can manage to prove something to the people, who does not know this field.

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« Reply #197 on: January 18, 2002, 03:24:00 PM »
shadow! 1) you had a 16 year old audience asking you question
2) HGH and steriod are definately not over the counter medicine and obtaining them without a prescription does not make it legal
3) you were very descriptive of how one could inject themselve with the doses and the period of when the dosage should be applied

You are the only doctor that I know of that cant see the responsibility of giving medical advise over the net. Are you not getting it , that it would be a good idea to keep your diagnoses of your client in the privacy of your office.

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« Reply #198 on: January 18, 2002, 03:38:00 PM »
Not having seen the videos of Y/N (By the way there are FIVE videos out there not just THREE)I will still take issue with Shadowcom's interpretations.

In many videos, you may see, in the model's eye movements, that she is taking instruction on how to move/pose from an off screen source. In the first Chelsea Charms video you can see this. You can see Toppsey Curvey following instructions in more than one video. The act of taking instruction, or even needing instruction, implies only inexperience - nothing else.

Next, take a young girl, posing for the first time, in front of people. She must take off her clothing, remain carefree and collected, and walk through her poses smoothly and maintain an air of confidence and be seductive, and alluring, yet has no experience to work from. Ask Elliot James of The SCORE GROUP if models indeed start off nervous, unsure and unsteady, and obviously without a repertoire of moves. And for many models, this first time is difficult. From the SCORE Group, their own blonde model Julia from Germany seemed a little stiff and unsteady in her first Score video. She didn't look at the camera very often, didn't smile much etc. Looked to me like she was nervous. Unsteady. Not confident. Are we to conclude any thing about age, or mental state merely from these actions? And if we conclude, how valid is that conclusion based upon actions on video.

YN may have been quaking in fear or petrified to near catatonia, because she needed the money and was certain she would fail and lose the money. She may have been virginal and unsure and lacked confidence. She may have been drugged involuntarily. Or even voluntarily.

Many factors may have influenced her posture, stride, naturalness of body movements.

How many Y/N clips did you download Shadowcom? How many times did you watch her at the club. How about other dancers at this club? May any of them be in similiar straits as Y/N?

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« Reply #199 on: January 18, 2002, 03:47:00 PM »
shadow,

i am going to repeat something that other people have said...

as this discussion grows longer and longer...
...more and more people find out about Yulia Nova for the first time.
...more and more people become curious about her.
...more and more people search for her pictures.
...more and more people post her pictures.
...more and more people order her movies.

when you describe Yulia as unusual (abnormal), more and more people become interested, because people are fascinated by unusual things.

you started this thread to warn us about Yulia's (physical/intellectual) age.  people are skeptical, though, and you have become frustrated because everyone doesn't believe what you have written, and now the thread is about you.

if you are trying to get everyone to stop posting Yulia's pictures, stop this thread. since you started the topic, you can delete the whole thread by deleting the very first message.

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« Reply #200 on: January 18, 2002, 05:00:00 PM »
The more Shadowcom rambles on incoherently, the more I wonder about HIS mental status and age. The more he babbles, the more he contradicts himself and the less I believe any of what he says has a kernal of truth to it. Least of all is he convincing as an kind of doctor.

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« Reply #201 on: January 18, 2002, 06:03:00 PM »
IMHO, you guys are making a storm in a glass of water (brazilian expression loosely translated). This kind of discussion won´t lead anywhere, since nobody will change it´s position or opinion, so I'll not waste a single brain cell speculating about "what ifs", I'll just enjoy the fact that she exists.
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« Reply #202 on: January 18, 2002, 07:30:00 PM »
Mike is correct about new models. And all of it can be picked up by the camera. Even girls with their own small web sites shooting at home with digital cameras can get this way when they are in a professional studio for the first time being lensed by a staff of several people. That also includes exotic dancers who "run the show" in their clubs and are then exposed to true professional modeling for the first time.
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« Reply #203 on: January 18, 2002, 09:09:00 PM »
Personnaly, I think Shadowcom is another alter ego of CRAPPY!!  Also, there was a post a some time ago where Shadowcom gave his age, and this was about 28 years old.  Now he talks about gradiatin' from Med School in Moscow in '81?  Damn, you were a young student!  As for Yulia, I think she may have just turned 18, as Japan, like GB, allows nude modeling at 16 years of age, and this would explain the delay of introduction into the US Markets.  As for you Shadowcom, you stir up more CRAP that usually proves WRONG than anyone else here BUT Cappy.  Go away or keep your stupid A$$ OPINIONS to yourself.
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« Reply #204 on: January 18, 2002, 10:35:00 PM »
Shadowcom isn't cappy ... shadow has some brain cells ...

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Sorry ... in my own universe my niece was responsible for a game being started that when someone bitched too much (Like her whining about wanting to go see the movies), someone else would shout, "I want a pony", and someone else would respond, "No pony" ... which can be summed up as meaning, "Your bitching to much and it's pointless, shut up" .... course it's lost on a 3 year old ....


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« Reply #205 on: January 19, 2002, 03:46:00 AM »
Shadowcom. Man. Get help.

I´ve taken the time to look up the word oligophrenia etc, and it is nothing but a generic term for retardation, not a specific variation, with specific traits. If you can´t even come up with a specific diagnosis, which it would be possible for us to resarch, don´t even bother.

None of your points in your review of said mpeg makes any sense. Unusually welldeveloped bodyparts doesn´t in any way signify retardation in and by itself, and while Yulia does have an unusually large pair of breasts, I see nothing abnormal about her developments in breasts or otherwise. Yulia does not have the breasts of a 40 year old, or certain musclecompositions/developments of a 40 year old, on a young girls body. I don´t see any of what you see, and I don´t for one minute take those statements seriously. I´m sure you can make determinations of age and tissuedevelopments and compositions by careful studying of the subject over time, including the examination of tissuesamples in a lab, and doing autopsies, but not on a blurry mpeg. You don´t grow additional muscles as you age, and as far as I can see with my fair knowledge of muscles and their positions, there is nothing amiss here. Moving in a clumsy or unsure fashion can mean anything from insecurity to some form of light paralysis, and not necessarily retardation. And I don´t see any clumsy movements, really. Physically speaking, in terms of bodily development, the world is full of 13 year olds with 25 year olds bodies, it is not a sign of any endocrine malady, it is mere nature. Some girls are physically developed, and ready to bear children at the age of 10 for chrissakes! I still have no reason to believe that Yulia is under 18, just because she has got a young looking face, or thin legs whith a grown womans muscles, or whatever. I have the statement of a published magazine on her age, and while that it is not a certain fact in any way, it sure beats the allegations of some anonymous internet poster.  

None of what you say makes any sense, you sound more and more like a nazi doctor trying to justify his medical experiments, I´m sorry to say. If any of what you are stating had any truth in it, you have done Yulia a greater disservice than I would ever be able to do by merely downloading her pictures. Justmemike has already adressed the points I was to make beyond this point....


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« Reply #206 on: January 19, 2002, 05:49:00 AM »
as i said before, see THIS LINK.  if the information there is accurate, then shadow's ideas about oligophrenia just reflect common shortcomings of pediatric medicine in Russia.  welcome to the Dark Ages.

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« Reply #207 on: January 19, 2002, 10:50:00 AM »
I hesitated before putting my 2 cents worth because I think this thread has gone on more than it should but I finally decided that as someone who already has Yulia's first three videos I could give my opinion.

I viewed all three tapes and I could not in any shape or form say that Yulia is anything else than a normal 16 to 18 year old girl who has never posed before. She obviously had never posed before and as such seems a bit nervous and hesitant at first about what she should do or how she should act but the way that she smiles, laughes and behaves certainly indicates that she does not seem unhappy or coexerced in any way to do that. In many ways, she reminds me of Linsey when she first started modeling at age 16. There's that same sweetness and innocence and of course that same spectacular figure. The latest pics that I've seen from volumes 4 and 5 already show a more mature and comfortable young woman. I am convinced that we will be seeing lots more of this anatomical wonder in the next few months and hopefully years.


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« Reply #208 on: January 19, 2002, 04:23:00 PM »
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« Reply #209 on: January 20, 2002, 03:58:00 PM »
Du mener vel et område han >IKKE< fatter en meter af?  

Mand, han er langt ude.