[sheber]

I'll not enter this debate, but pose this question: Would the videos of an [censored] model be sold openly in the US of A via the internet?

[shadowcom]

To debra: You can send me some samples. But, please, - don't exagerate with files size, - maximum 500 Kbt in *.wav format.

[shadowcom]

To Invisible Pervert: Yes, if you remember, about 4-5 months ago I wrote here some facts from YN life - they are well-known (it was a single time, then I have visited the exotic dancing show in Moscow, there she has a part - and really, I've lost any interest to visit any shows of this kind anythere anymore - even if it will be the show of well-known BB model from USA - that helped me to completely understand the rate of abomination of this kind of performances), as also well-known are the facts that this business helps to her parents to live in theirs small provincial city (Izhevsk) - finally we can say, that they almost "sold" or "leased" her to the authorities of porno-business. However, - there is no choice for them - normally in these small cities people does not have any opportunity to gain theirs lifes.
To Gonzo: You can be sure, that she's 100% oligophren, - her face manifests it with evidence - YN is a good sample of classical medical clinical case of oilgophrenie (you can show some pictures of her to any psychiatristand he'll confirm this diagnosis).
To All: YN pictures/videos in BEA or elsethere - TABU !

[MrHHH]

I've worked with retarded people. None of them have been normal looking, let alone beautiful.

However, this could be such a case. I'd like SOME proof however. I'm not going at merely your word Shadow.

[3deroticer]

I guess the video is now available to the USA but for a very high price of 3 video for $199. It kind of remind me of how Linzie got into the porn business, she was [censored] by american standard for awhile. As for retardation and beauty, they are few beautifull woman in the general population let alone think about the mental impairment, but I have seen some great looking retarded woman.( and she doesn't have blonde hair!)
I employed one, and I told her that the creamers for the coffee in the creamer cups are to be used once then you need to dump the cream when the guest are done using it. Well I caught her throwing away the crystal creamer cups into the trash. they were expensive and were to be rewash to used again. Okay maybe she wasn't clinically retarded but damn close if I made the diagnoses! ( I didn't hire her )
I am not comfortable taking shadow words, he has made some incredulously flaw claims before, But it might be safe to back off until some of the USA mag start featuring her, there is no doubt that she has some appearance booked till she is so-called 18 years of age. Linzie made her way into the USA market, so can Yulia!

[Booby_Trapped]

quote: Shadowcom wrote:

...To Gonzo: You can be sure, that she's 100% oligophren, - her face manifests it with evidence - YN is a good sample of classical medical clinical case of oilgophrenie...  

Wow! you can tell how retarded people are just from how that look?

I guess you can tell the age of a girl by the size of her tits too, huh?    

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shadowcom wrote:
To Gonzo: You can be sure, that she's 100% oligophren, - her face manifests it with evidence - YN is a good sample of classical medical clinical case of oilgophrenie (you can show some pictures of her to any psychiatrist and he'll confirm this diagnosis).

Shadowcom, i wasn't validating or disputing your claim.  i was just providing a definition of oligophren for everyone, since the term is probably not known to most of us.  (i had to web-search it myself, and most of the references that came up were Russian or Hungarian.  i finally found more info when i tried websearching an anglicized form of the term: oligophrenic.)

certainly, you are in a better position to judge than i am, but most Americans would consider YN's cranial proportions and facial features to be well within the "normal" range.  since we don't happen to have a psychiatrist on hand at the moment, what features specifically seem to indicate oligophrenia to you?  (if you prefer to use clinical terminology, please do.  it's easy to research.)
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gonZo

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: gonZo ]

[Super Gish]

I'm a psychiatrist...and you want my diagnosis?  
We're all nuts.
-Gish

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not trying to be rude here, but yulia is not retarded. She talks in her video and she communicates fine with the woman taking the photos/video. This is a silly joke who ever started it.

[shadowcom]

To All: "oligophrenie" does not mean 100% "mentally retarded person" - this translation of this medical term can be used, but it's not even 50% correct. Because the main (principal) difference between normal people and "oligophren" is incapacity of "oligophren" to remember for a long time the basical principles of normal human life or work. And "mentally retarded person" even does not understand anything that happens around him, or understands it, using his own schema of universe, different of normal. "Oligophrens" can keep something in mind only 1 min. - 2 days maximum. And later they forget it. This is the principal trait of this mental malady - these people almost does not have any "long" memory.
Yes, these persons can't study (normally, it takes them 5-8 years to learn writing and make most simple mat.calculations), like workers they are used for not mentally difficult reliterational operations (they always work like seamstresses) - it makes them closer to the "mentally retarded persons" like diagnosis, but it does not make them "mentally retarded persons". As also they can have normal children, because "oligophrenie" is not genetic malady.
Finally, after 8 years of special education (the most usual, doctors use the associative method of education of "oligophrens") these people can speak, write, make very simple reflections and make most of simple mat.calculations. But the definitive trait of "oligophren" stays his deep naivety  in speech and in look (this is a result of absence of "long" memory, - every morning "oligophren" is borning for again - he forgets most of the memories of previous days) and in actions. This naivety manifests by face and by eyes of "oligophren" - this person looks completely innocent.  And this naivety is always used by porno dealers (or by Gipsies, who often steal children(girls) "oligophrens" from special internat-schools) to simulate the virginity and innocence of girls(boys), whom they offer to ... pedofeels (people, who likes having sex with children). This is also well-known fact of russian porno-business.
The second trait of "oligophrens" is theirs "pathological" cleanliness - these people does not support any dirt and can wash hands 20 times per day. At the same time - none of other "mentally retarded persons" does not have this trait - the most usual, the cleanliness is theirs "difficult" point.
Conclusion: YN can speak, can write, can make easy calculations, she can make simple reflections, she can speak to her mother (to the person, who plays the part of her mother) and relatives, etc. But it will not look like the normal behavior of 18 (or even 14) y.o. girl., as also, the girls of these ages never have this "special" naivety in theirs eyes, common for "oligophrens", that allows to make theirs 100% identification. And, naturally, she can't be student of Moscow State University (and especially in law faculty), etc. - in Russia there are a lot of special education programs even for microsefals and bisefals, - but not in universities.  
Anymore question ? +<8-)

[Scotty]

quote:Originally posted by sheber:
I'll not enter this debate, but pose this question: Would the videos of an [censored] model be sold openly in the US of A via the internet?

Yes - been done before, and will happen again - scary, but true....  

[jayjay88]

Is everyone really going to accept all this as FACT??!!

These are allegations based on no specific evidence in this particular case...it seems to me a great deal of knowledge is being applied in a very haphazard manner.  Assumptions are being made based on brief and periferal observation and a general knowledge of what goes on in Russia [or anywhere else for that matter] and then all manner of conclusions are being arrived at with 'huge certainty'...all begun because Yulia looks young [look at the 'teen' sites with many examples of '20 somethings' trying to pass as teens]...14?...NO CHANCE!

And then to top it off she is transformed into a retarded girl, again, with great and absolute certainty...I never trust the word of someone who purports to 'KNOW' something
based on so little evidence...a clear case of projection.

...at least that's off my mind!..so what next??...........jayjay

[cynic]

I'm with JayJay on this one.

I'm glad Shadowcom isn't a courtroom judge.  There is nothing that would stand up in a court of law to indicate she is being oppressed at all.

It's possible she is, but then we'll just have a Traci Lords scenario where the tapes will be destroyed, and that is that.

No worries in the meantime.

[ThisIsNotMyName]

Well, now it all makes sense.

Think of Yulia, so memory-deficient she can't recall having posed naked for gangsters yesterday. See how her face remains unperturbed. Watch as she fails to note the immorality she's been bound over to serve. Observe her unknowing degradation.

Now picture our Feerless Leeder, Resident Shrub. Notice the similarity. Shocking, no?

See? It all fits.
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O²	Balderdash, all of it. It doesn't even follow internal logic.

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Now, this is my first post here, and I don´t mean to cause any offense, but I simply had to post my reaction to this.

Making judgements on peoples mental faculties based on their general look and cranial shape?!! Whaaat? Is this Germany anno 1938?

Never mind cranial shapes, that is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard.  

I´m sorry, but she doesn´t look retarded in any way(no pun intended), and since I haven´t talked to her, or even heard her speak in a language I can understand, I would never make such an assumption.
There is no evident facial distortions like in the case of downs syndrome or whatever, she looks like any normal teenager to me, albeit a very attractive one. I think she looks fairly comfortable whith what she is doing, and that is enough for me. I can´t make extensive research on every photograph I see, and determine wether or not the models know 100% what they are doing, and are not forced. I expect her to be doing it for either of two reasons, or both: money and acknowledgment. Exactly what every other models motives are, be it in the west or in the east. Unless you have a general problem with the fact that women recieve money to show of their bodies, -and I don´t mean to belittle anyone if they do, I´m just curious to what they are doing here-, I really don´t see the problem.

What is described seems to be some variant on autism, and I´ve never heard of any physical traits that go along whith autism, at least not ones that are discernible by a certain look in the eyes, seen on a photograph or a choppy .mpeg file. Hogwash.

This seems to be either hearsay, or even mere speculation, and I´m certainly not taking some anonymous poster on the ´nets word for it.  

As to her age: I´ve worked in a position that enables me to see peoples age as I serve them for more than ten years, and can say one thing for sure: there is no certain way to judge peoples age by their faces. Generally you can estimate with a fair accuracy, but I´ve seen 13-year olds that look all of 22, and 30 year olds that look like 18-year olds. I have no reason to believe that Yulia is not 18, she looks like a lot of the 18 year olds I see at work.

I´d like some proof, and some explanation of where this supposed knowledge of Miss Novas lot in life come from, and why making a buck by posing for softcore nudie pictures/videos is such an abominable thing if it is to get bread on the table, rather than to feed a coke habit, or a general wish for a luxury filled life.