[Margaret]

It looks like it could be a VS bra, but I can’t say for sure.

I thought it looked nice being semi-transparent.  I guess the correct word is opaque.

Okay, I wonder if you could comment on this lingerie picture.  Am I right in thinking you have your underwear over the suspenders and not under them?  Has this lady got it wrong!

Haha. Yes - you put the panties over the suspenders (try getting your knickers down in a hurry when you have a suspender belt and stockings in the way). Most women learn this from lingerie catalogues (or websites) - or by accident. It’s one of the reasons I’m not keen on suspender belts. I mean, they’re utterly gorgeous items - I often covet them, and then spend money on them - only to find that I never wear them for longer than about 40 minutes.

That is one of the huge differences between ladies' suspenders and men suspenders. Women, since they are the pretty sex, wear such pretty lingerie which emphasizes their femininity and are just so much more pleasant to look at than men with their utilitarian underwear which is non descriptive. Women use frilly and pretty clothing while men is just ... meh.   

Very much so. It’s one of the few advantages of being a woman; nice things to wear. Shoes/boots, skirts/dresses, tops, accessories - and of course, the endless variations of lingerie. It’s not all fun though - it’s often very difficult to find something that fits, is comfortable - and looks good too. And it’s always expensive! Especially bras.

[Hiram]

(try getting your knickers down in a hurry when you have a suspender belt and stockings in the way).

This lady has it right.

A Curvy Kate Carmen Black according the the file name.  I must have searched for it when you mentioned it in a previous post.  A long line bra?

[Hiram]

Very much so. It’s one of the few advantages of being a woman; nice things to wear.

Walking round a department store looking for men's clothes - one thing it is often hard to find in the myriad of women's clothes, and the section is sooo small compared to the women's section.

it’s often very difficult to find something that fits, is comfortable - and looks good too. And it’s always expensive! Especially bras.

I must admit - that is something I've never had a problem with - I'm still wearing the same 34 Long jeans I have for years.  But it would be nice to have a better choice of clothes.

[Hiram]

men with their utilitarian underwear which is non descriptive. Women use frilly and pretty clothing while men is just ... meh.

I still don't see any reason why men can't have nice underwear - but you're right, it is mostly horrible.

[solvegas]

men with their utilitarian underwear which is non descriptive. Women use frilly and pretty clothing while men is just ... meh.

I still don't see any reason why men can't have nice underwear - but you're right, it is mostly horrible.

But as Margaret pointed out, it is so much cheaper. One advantage of men's clothing. Also, if you ever take anything to the cleaners because you simply can't throw it into a regular washer and dryer, like a business suit, again men pay a lot less since the beautiful frills and pleats and all sort of stuff women clothing has compared to men, it is much cheaper. I remember years ago some feminists sued a cleaner's business for discrimination due to price inequality, but the cleaners won the suit because they showed how much more time and effort it took to do women's clothing than men and won the suit and the countersuit. Anyways, let's get back to the pretty bras Margaret discusses. 

[Margaret]

(try getting your knickers down in a hurry when you have a suspender belt and stockings in the way).

This lady has it right.

A Curvy Kate Carmen Black according the the file name.  I must have searched for it when you mentioned it in a previous post.  A long line bra?

That’s the one. I have this set (except I have the larger briefs). I haven’t worn it in a long time - and I certainly haven’t worn the suspenders for a long time either. I have another Curvy Kate suspender set - I’ll root around in my underwear drawer for it. I also have an odd set given to me as a gift where the suspenders are on the briefs (they’re detachable). They were not fun to wear - the only way to go for a pee was to either unhook them or pull the briefs down along with the stockings. Silly idea.

The Carmen longline bra is sensational though. Haven’t worn it in a while - I might dig it out and give it a whirl.

I have soooo many bras - some I haven’t had on in maybe 10+ years. I’ll have to do a clearout at some point…

[Hiram]

But as Margaret pointed out, it is so much cheaper.

Yes true.  But nice underwear is for special occasions - look at the underwear and bras women tend to wear everyday it is cheap stuff they get from WallMart*.   Men are happy to pay $100 for a pair of speakers, when you could buy a pair for half that that'll work fine.

I think my point is - it'll be nice to have the option.

[Hiram]

That’s the one. I have this set (except I have the larger briefs).

I have some briefs like that size 12 from Topshop, they have two little white bows on the left and right front.  They match one of the bras I posted. Actually I'd not noticed this until recently that they were a match.

I also have an odd set given to me as a gift where the suspenders are on the briefs (they’re detachable).

That sounds an interesting design - I don't think I've seen that before.

The Carmen longline bra is sensational though. Haven’t worn it in a while - I might dig it out and give it a whirl.

It does look like it is supportive - although restrictive too.

I have soooo many bras - some I haven’t had on in maybe 10+ years. I’ll have to do a clearout at some point…

All my collection are cast-off.   It not only when they wear out - women seem to go up and down sizes.  Even though some of my bras are in good condition - the owners seem to think they'll not be able to wear them again.

[Hiram]

Margaret in one of you posts you mentioned "bodyshaper", with suspenders is this the sort of thing?

[Margaret]

Margaret in one of you posts you mentioned "bodyshaper", with suspenders is this the sort of thing?

No. That’s a basque. A bodyshaper has poppers at the crotch, so it’s all in one.

[Margaret]

Margaret in one of you posts you mentioned "bodyshaper", with suspenders is this the sort of thing?

A bodyshaper is more like this. The one I have has little loops for attaching suspenders at the front, side and back. But I also have shorter, clip-on suspenders that I got on eBay that you can use with something like this. It’s underwired, like a bra, with contouring for shape. They’re sometimes also called a corselette.

[Hiram]

A bodyshaper is more like this.

Ah right, got it.  Going to the loo looks tricky?

They’re sometimes also called a corselette.

Just looked them up - I can see why women like these.

The attached bra.  I keep looking at this picture and thinking something is off.  No idea what.  And, it is a cheap or expensive bra - I'm in two minds.

[Margaret]

A bodyshaper is more like this.

Ah right, got it.  Going to the loo looks tricky?

They’re sometimes also called a corselette.

Just looked them up - I can see why women like these.

The attached bra.  I keep looking at this picture and thinking something is off.  No idea what.  And, it is a cheap or expensive bra - I'm in two minds.

Going to the loo with poppers isn’t so bad - putting them back together can be tricky, but it’s not as bad as dealing with suspenders etc. I love bodyshapers - there’s just a snug, smoothness to them - but they’re not for everyone.

That bra looks like the wrong bra entirely for that woman’s shape. She needs a full cup bra, something more supportive that encases her boobs in the bra. It looks like cheap crap.

[Hiram]

Going to the loo with poppers isn’t so bad - putting them back together can be tricky,

I have button up jeans - that's tricky enough, but buttons in the perineum area, I'd leave them undone probably.

That bra looks like the wrong bra entirely for that woman’s shape. She needs a full cup bra, something more supportive that encases her boobs in the bra. It looks like cheap crap.

My instincts were right.  I thought it was a cheap bra, I've seen a lot.  Bras are expensive and I think women have the cheap ones for doing the gardening in.  I wonder if they are a false economy though?

Okay, back to Challenge Margaret bra size estimation.   I was watching a TV show last night, I often look up the show on IMBD and get some background.  The main actress is Mimi Rogers, I looked her up - surprisingly she did playboy.  So I wonder if you'd have a go at Mimi for me?

[Margaret]

Going to the loo with poppers isn’t so bad - putting them back together can be tricky,

I have button up jeans - that's tricky enough, but buttons in the perineum area, I'd leave them undone probably.

That bra looks like the wrong bra entirely for that woman’s shape. She needs a full cup bra, something more supportive that encases her boobs in the bra. It looks like cheap crap.

My instincts were right.  I thought it was a cheap bra, I've seen a lot.  Bras are expensive and I think women have the cheap ones for doing the gardening in.  I wonder if they are a false economy though?

Okay, back to Challenge Margaret bra size estimation.   I was watching a TV show last night, I often look up the show on IMBD and get some background.  The main actress is Mimi Rogers, I looked her up - surprisingly she did playboy.  So I wonder if you'd have a go at Mimi for me?

I think this woman is quite tall, so she’s probably a 32 or 34 back, and possible an E or F cup.