[3deroticer]

I agree with the sentiment that there are very bad cop out there, and I think it is because the attraction for being a cop for them, same as being a bad politician, the job description tend to attract the wrong people.
I know an ex cop that got busted for selling cocaine and ten years lator he comes back to the same town and the Sheriff made him honorary deputy! He has a lot of money, so go figure!

I am not one to advocate kiddie porn, and I have had the same question as you guys have now. But there are 2 thing to note, one is that case that PeeWee Herman is facing because they confiscated his computer and busting him for kiddie porn posession. the other is that a guy who makes CGI character made some character of naked kiddie and got into trouble for posting his CGI WIP over the newsgroup. I am guilty of doing that myself, I make 3D CGI character and usually do not make clothes for the character untill I make the body. Thank god they didn't catch me!

The other point is that a lot of sex banner do say teen sex. Do most people want to see kiddie porn? Even tho the add is misleading, I never understand the purpose of the misdirection of the Ad. It is a sad world we live in if study has shown that they get more visitation by promoting a site as that.

[SAMU]

The way you keep cops honest is to join a well ordered militia. The way the modern world has left the despotism of pharohs. emperors and kings is because free men have formed militias to maintain a threat of armed rebelion if the cops get out of hand. Militias have gotten a bad name lately because they are being formed by racist extreemists. But prior to the middle of the 20th century most men were in their local militias. My grandfather was a colnel in the Kentuky Militia.

An event comes to mind recently where a rebelion with thrown bottles and rocks was effective halting an abusive police action.
Before the Roddny King riot the LA cops had blockaded a neighborhood in South Central LA to prevent drive through drug sales. Any one wanting to enter the neighborhood by car had to show residency by licence, registration and insurance. The cops didn't stop drug traffic but they did nail a lot of people who were too poor to maintain insurance. Since they also couldn't afford to pay a 500 dollar fine either they rebled at the blockade with bottles and rocks. The state defused the situation by changing the policy of demanding proof of insurance in a routine traffic stop.

What should you do to keep cops honest? Get off your cowardly hippy ass and join a non racist militia.

I think that there was less sexual abuse of children when the molesters knew that people could string them up by their balls in the town square, beat them with weighty objects and get away with it.

SAMU

[ December 24, 2001: Message edited by: SAMU ]

[3deroticer]

Whoo ha!  This is no easy answer to the situation, and with this terrorist attack impending ,we may be empowering our police force with more potential of abuse.

The crooked politician and cops, are like the air force, where they do the most damage from the most distance to their target.

You know, I just happen to know the govenor and my representative, I think I will ask him that question, how do you stop bad cop.

[netman99]

I’m curious as to the “legal” definition of kiddie Porn.

I just saw movie “Pretty Baby” in which Brook Shields is WELL under 16 and nude. Any legal eagles out there know the answer?

[Dave Brubeck]

My guess would be the First Amendment. Technically, a commercial for diapers in which a naked baby's butt is shown could be considered kiddie porn, but it doesn't meet the definition of [censored] pornography. The Supreme Court in New York v. Ferber modified the Miller v. California test for obscenity in applying it to [censored] pornography.

The First Amendment is the same reason nude dancers can dance nude in a strip club, but a patron could not be nude in that same strip club, even though both would be technically violating public indecency law. One is engaged in expressive conduct, the other is not. Although I'm not sure where topless waitresses fall within First Amendment protection...

[debra872]

**09** pornography is defined (in the USA, in 1996, IIRC) to be nudity of (or depiction of sex with) a minor, or an adult who is portraying a minor.  This latter part was aimed at porn movies that were set in high schools, etc.

Which means both Titanic (in which Kate Winslet portrayed a 17-year-old) and American Beauty (in which 16-year-old Thora Birch appeared topless) are both in violation of U.S. Federal law!

[debra872]

Oh, and yes, of course, Pretty Baby is illegal too.

[debra872]

Oh, and yes, of course, Pretty Baby is illegal too.

[debra872]

(sorry about that, hit the Enter button too soon)

So why are all these movies still for sale?  Because they're "real" movies, not "porn".  

In other words, the law was drafted so that prosecutors could go after [censored] pornographers.  So pictures of a naked 13-year-old Brooke Shields in a movie (or of 16-year-old Thora Birch) are okay, but movies or pictures of other 13-year-olds (or 16-year-olds) are not.

Clear as mud?    

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Samu though I usually keep an open mind to other peoples views, I really have to strongly disagree with you.  For one thing dirty cops and clean cops are a bit off of topic in this thread, and joing the miltias i not the answer they are just as bad as cops, you have your good miltias and your bad miltias.  People need to take more active roles in their communities not arming themselves to fight the people we put in office.  If their are bad cops out their it is because we have sat on our laurels and let the system spin further and further down the toilet.  People just sit by thinking that someone else will take care of it, wrong idea.

[3deroticer]

I dont think Samu topic is way off. first of all there is always going to be good cop and bad cop. There is a need for check and balance for all public office servitude. Dratfing the laws as such to protect the public and the enforcer.
Although I am not in favor of arming myself with a militia group(I dont like guns) But I do think that organizing yourself with a watch group type is okay! I think the pen is still mightier then the sword.
When a person is being tried for [censored] pornography for using a 3Dmesh from a 3D program such as poser. Then the [censored] in question doesn't really exist so there is no danger to the [censored] , and it become a matter of censorship, however disgusting it may be.
If the prosecuter win this case then it will eventually go after Anime character. The fine line is slipping quick with these issues, but they are in a testing stage.
As the actual posting of under age teen on the web, would still be against the law.
I do understand the danger of encouraging such deviant behavoir.
I still can't understand why some sex site promote this theme. TEEN SEX,VIRGIN TEEN! with picture of woman dress up little girls, enough with the kiddie sex! I want a real woman! Fully grown!