[talaff]

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Real said:
anyone here a titsandasspass member?  i havent really heard anything since the wave of dire warnings to stay away following the debut of aria valentino...

I have been a member once, for the Minka website... Total drama. My credit card was charged for about ten (!!!) websites i never heard about, i was billed for about 150 dollars in a month, and i had to cancel all these websites one by one, each time by talking with some jerk online, taking about half an hour to just cancel a suscription.

[angeliqueAdict]

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talaff said:

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Real said:
anyone here a titsandasspass member?  i havent really heard anything since the wave of dire warnings to stay away following the debut of aria valentino...

I have been a member once, for the Minka website... Total drama. My credit card was charged for about ten (!!!) websites i never heard about, i was billed for about 150 dollars in a month, and i had to cancel all these websites one by one, each time by talking with some jerk online, taking about half an hour to just cancel a suscription.

wow, good information.  I know not to join.

[angeliqueAdict]

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Paladin said: Porn is porn is porn. Getting a prick stuck in ya doesn't cheapen it one bit. Because it's already cheap.

I would take serious issue with that statement.

as would I.

[Good_Grip]

 Here's another bunch of bad news about these sites.   So, I guess I won't be joining.  But, her vids will show up somewhere on the net.  

[DJPFC]

That BossXXX guy always struck me as a super sleaze.  From their humiliating over-the-top misogynistic videos to that public blog trashing of Lisa Lipps and calling her every name in the book (and then some) they have always had a giant red-flag on them.

I think their MO is to go to these 3rd world Latin American countries and find prostitutes that fit their big boob criteria and then just exploit them as much as possible.   These girls are likely poor and don't have a lot of money or other options (most of them in the videos don't even speak English) so they go along with it.

Again, this is purely my guess, but I think it's a good one based on what I've seen from them and the feedback from the unsuspecting customers who are unfortunate enough to join their sites and have their credit cards charged $250+ for a three day "trial" membership that's supposed to cost only $2.95

[Runner]

That's a shame that she is going the hardcore route with her career that will possibly be her downfall and to join up with the likes of those owners of that site that prey on the titty-crazed community bothers me alot.

[Palomine]

 All this moralizing about how hardcore is 'worse' than softcore and how models who make the move to hc 'deserve' to ruin their careers is simply silly IMO... for pete's sake: it's all PORN and as long as it's legal, one type of porn is somehow more virtuous than another.

If you don't like hardcore, then don't look at it. Lots of folks DO like it... and they're not less evolved than you are or some such nonsense.  

[angeliqueAdict]

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 All this moralizing about how hardcore is 'worse' than softcore and how models who make the move to hc 'deserve' to ruin their careers is simply silly IMO... for pete's sake: it's all PORN and as long as it's legal, one type of porn is somehow more virtuous than another.

If you don't like hardcore, then don't look at it. Lots of folks DO like it... and they're not less evolved than you are or some such nonsense.  

I'm not sure who you are responding to exactly.  I never charged anyone with being "less evolved" nor do I think I have "moralized" one bit.  I just personally enjoy some models keeping some innocence.  I like for my minds eye to not picture them engaged in hardcore, just my preference in some cases.  I don't even apply it across the board.  

I think some who are saying it may be her downfall are correct to the extent that when a girl does a really extreme scene, that is how you see her in your minds eye, and I think its often hard for the woman to come back from that scene with anything less extreme and not disapoint.  So, for example, a site like ghettogaggers will wind up being the "end of the road" for a lot of popular performers.  I don't think that is moralizing, more just a statement about human psychology.  Once she goes hardcore, her softcore loses some of the drama, and once she goes extreme, she has nothing left that you haven't already seen.

[Palomine]

 My response is in general not to any one user in particular. This decrying of models going hardcore is happening in other threads and continues to happen regularly... generally by the same few guys. There's nothing wrong in having a preference or expressing it... but in many of these complaint posts guys have implied (or actually said) that they wish the models to fail in their endeavors, etc... and frankly, that's (IMO) not particularly mature or logical.  

[zappfra]

DJPC, this may be the case, but what about Minka, with Manager Woody in the negotiating stage not one red cent would get lost, so it surprised me they signed up, UNTIL, I did join, same problem as another poster, multiple billing. As I have been a longtime off/on member of Minka's at Titanic, Minkaxxx etc, I e-mailed her(him) direct re the problems with this Webmaster only to not get a reply. So I tried a different angle and e-mailed about purchasing some DVD's. Guess what got a reply back in 30 minutes.

My conclusion, they are with this company and on above don't give 2 shits about their clientele, so Minka gets $0 off me again.

Through my Credit Card company, I got back the money, but it was messy longwinded and had to get a new card number. I think they actually gave me too much back too, but as it was that messy not really sure

[dennisnewark]

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Palomine said:
 All this moralizing about how hardcore is 'worse' than softcore and how models who make the move to hc 'deserve' to ruin their careers is simply silly IMO... for pete's sake: it's all PORN and as long as it's legal, one type of porn is somehow more virtuous than another.

If you don't like hardcore, then don't look at it. Lots of folks DO like it... and they're not less evolved than you are or some such nonsense.  

I agree - this nonsense about soft/hardcore appeared in the Fuko thread amongst others - however a move to work for this particular site IS degrading for the model and a step in the wrong direction.  Nothing to do with it being hardcore, just the way they treat their models.

[Paladin]

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Paladin said: Porn is porn is porn. Getting a prick stuck in ya doesn't cheapen it one bit. Because it's already cheap.

I would take serious issue with that statement.

I can certainly understand your point of view seeing as how you are directly involved in the industry. And I meant no disrespect. But I'm a fairly blunt individual and I call em like I see em.

I'm not one to sugar coat things. Porn is not high art. In fact, it's not even kitsch. It is for the most part, the simplest form of entertainment which is used mostly by men who for lack of a better term, get off on it.

Now I'm no prude! I even stated in my original post (the one in which you responded to) that I have no problem with it. That I love all forms of porn and I would never criticize anyone for entering a particular industry because some may feel it is "immoral". But let's call a spade a spade here. Just like a so-called "escort" shouldn't get offended if someone outright calls her a prostitute, nobody here should be offended when I call porn "cheap". Because it is. It's cheap thrills for guys who need to get some release.

That's just the truth.

[Rentahero]

Porn is art.  High art.  There are dozens of nude pictures and scultures to attest to this.  

Even excluding that, there is an art to making good pornography.  

It's just like cinema.  90% of it is shit. The rest is worth dying for. In porn, it just so happens that 99.9% of it is shit, and the rest etc.

[DJPFC]

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I can certainly understand your point of view seeing as how you are directly involved in the industry. And I meant no disrespect. But I'm a fairly blunt individual and I call em like I see em.

I'm not one to sugar coat things. Porn is not high art. In fact, it's not even kitsch. It is for the most part, the simplest form of entertainment which is used mostly by men who for lack of a better term, get off on it.

Now I'm no prude! I even stated in my original post (the one in which you responded to) that I have no problem with it. That I love all forms of porn and I would never criticize anyone for entering a particular industry because some may feel it is "immoral". But let's call a spade a spade here. Just like a so-called "escort" shouldn't get offended if someone outright calls her a prostitute, nobody here should be offended when I call porn "cheap". Because it is. It's cheap thrills for guys who need to get some release.

That's just the truth.

Yes, but when you state that "it's all porn" you are not only calling what we do at PinupGlam "porn", but you are also lumping our work into the same blanket category as the content on the IncrediblePass sites.

And, no offense, but that's not calling it like you see it -- that's just plain incorrect.

[maniaco]

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 Here's another bunch of bad news about these sites.   So, I guess I won't be joining.  But, her vids will show up somewhere on the net.  

Excellent link and thank you for that.  I was not aware of this particular watchdog/review site.

As my hero Bill Clinton would say, "It depends on what your definition of "join" is.     [sentence removed]  But I gladly support legit operations such as those represented by the webmasters who frequent this site.  They are our friends, and we feel a certain bond with them across all this vast cyberspace.

    [sentence removed]

   Please don't use this forum to discuss or promote illegal activities.  Palomine warned you about the same thing yesterday, and said there would be consequences if you posted about it again.  You won't be able to post for the next month.