[Suzanne]

Why would you make such bold statements based soley on your visit with AF?  You've never met me or my husband and feel it is okay to make such statements? Are you planning to pay us a visit in KS too?

[Pixeltiger]

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No flames. I'm sure that you are more than qualified to determine Dr. B's level of liability in a malpractice suit.

I keep rereading my post and I still can find no mention of a malpractice suit. Am I missing something?

Pixeltiger

[collared_cherri]

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It seems with all this talk of IP addresses we are losing focus here. This thread is about a doctor and whether girls should use him.

OK let's be 100% clear on this: Alaska Fox and Rhiannon are NOT the same person. How can I be so sure? Because today I went to see AF in hospital here in Sin city in order to get some kind of conclusive answer to this. I can attest to the photos she posted being genuine.

Yanno what?  It would have been a helluva lot better if IP Address A had simply stated "I visited my friend in hospital today, and this is what she looks like and these are her words....". If you feel that the IP address makes me lose focus on what the real issue is, you're mistaken.  What has bothered me about this is that someone is portraying themselves to be someone they're not!  Deception!

I'll buy that Rhiannon and AF are two different people.  But that doesn't answer a lot of questions that are still unanswered.

How does AF post from the hospital?

Why is she in a hospital in Las Vegas and not where she had her surgery (assuming she was operated on in KS)?

Does she expect Dr B to fly to LV to fix her problem?

Does she expect him to pay for her flight to KS to fix her problem?

What condition were her breasts in before she went to him?

What is her medical history like?

What guarantees was she given?

What advice was she given?

Was the damage as a result of the most recent surgery only, or a failed fixing?

How do we know what words are actually hers and what are IP address A's?

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She is a charming lady and has posted here out of concern for other girls' welfare for which she has been roundly pilloried by some folks.

She may very well be a charming lady.  But if she posts any further as IP address A, I'm afraid she won't have any credibility with me.  

How do you expect us to get the full story if one isn't presented.  She has stated that the amount of surgeries she's had is nobody's business.  I'm sure you'll agree that someone's medical history is indeed a very important aspect of this.  

If you bring a private matter to a public forum, you have to expect your words to be scrutinized and have to answer all the questions asked.  I want to know the whole story, not just the portions of things that will sway me one way or the other.  

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I have been a poster here for a long time and many people here know me personally. If other folks doubt my veracity, I could care less and will make no attempt to persuade you otherwise. But for those that know me, you know I have no agenda here other than girls' health. I am in no way affiliated with Rhiannon, AF or anyone else, but have been involved with the big bust industry for many years now and know personally many of the models regularly mentioned on the BEA forum.

Ok, so you could care less whether people like me believe you or not because I don't know you.

Remember, it was IP address A who brought this to our attention.  Feeding us bits and pieces of what appears to be a complex situation (at least to me).


For the record, I have no affiliation with Rhiannon, AF, Dr B or Suzanne.  I'm only affiliated with myself and my husband who posts here (MasterDragonfly).

I know some have asked why Dr B and Suzanne haven't come to defend themselves.  It's because of something called "Doctor/patient confidentiality" which prevents them from doing so.  It's not like they can make exceptions when people like us need to know.  Hell, even if I asked them in private what their story is, I'd be alarmed if they gave it to me.

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I will not say anything here in a public forum, but if anyone out there is considering going to Dr Baeke, please send me a PM before you do. Breast augmentation surgery is a serious procedure and one should try and garner as much information as possible before entering into it.

You've already made your point here in this public forum.  For the record, I am still planning on having Dr B as my surgeon.  I'm assuming you have met with him because you wouldn't be giving advice on someone you've never met.  Please, correct me if I'm wrong.  You wouldn't base your advice on a hospital visit to one patient?  You must have spoken with more people.  If you can recommend to me a doctor who is experienced with larger implants and has a 100% guarantee, let me know.

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For all of you firing up your flamethrowers, feel free to take your best shot. I am not here seeking respect from other posters. The people who are at the sharp end are the only ones I am concerned about.

Pixeltiger

I intend to be at the sharp end one day.  And as I've stated before, I'm not here to simply read through the posts and pick and chose the bits I like about each one to justify my own decision.  I have, and will, give credence to all opinions.  However, when there's a lot of smoke and daggers used to get a point across, those opinions lose lustre for me.  I don't like being lied to.

My own personal experience with Rhiannon has been solely on this board.  But what I will tell you is that at the same time (back in May of this year) as she was singing the praises of Dr B and recommending him to anyone who would listen, she had also sent a private message to my husband advising against it.  She gave him a number to call to discuss.  He did.  He got a voicemail message.  He left a message but his call was never returned.  This wasn't after giving consideration to what her friends (the ones she recommended going to Dr B) had told her about their experiences, this was while she was publicly recommending him.  So you see, she lost credibility for me a long time back.  Not to mention that other pseudonyms have surfaced under IP address A.  

And now, perhaps AF has some valid points, but the way they were presented to me (via IP address A) has tarnished my view.  It doesn't mean I don't believe she's scarred and her breasts are in a bad way, I do.  But I don't like the way we were duped.

Please understand this is not a flaming.  I read your thoughts and took them seriously, this is simply my response to those thoughts.

cherri

[Dick_Woods]

Pix...If you weren't my freind I would be hammering the shit out of you right now....

Your condemnation was completely irresponsible....you have half of the facts, and without a similar visit to Kansas you had no right to post what you did...

Your visit to the hospital in NO way changed the facts as we know them all it did was add to unsubstantiated allegations....congratulations Pix, you have helped smear the name of a qualified and honorable surgeoun, and until REAL facts are presented to the contrary, I am going to maintain that stance.

[Pixeltiger]

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Your condemnation was completely irresponsible....you have half of the facts, and without a similar visit to Kansas you had no right to post what you did...

At no stage do I condemn anyone. I merely wanted to put people straight on the fact that AF was a real person. I never set myself up as being a font of knowedge on this matter and, as I said in my post, I recommend people garner as much information as possible before going ahead with any augmentation.

I have not attempted to smear anyone's reputation. I know of at least 2 girls who are very happy with Dr Baeke's work.

As I have said before, I have no axe to grind here. But it seems that despite my attempts to be even handed, my intentions have been misread. C'est la guerre...

Pixeltiger

[MasterDragonfly]

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I have not attempted to smear anyone's reputation. I know of at least 2 girls who are very happy with Dr Baeke's work.

Then you're sending mixed messages.  As per your previous post:

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I will not say anything here in a public forum, but if anyone out there is considering going to Dr Baeke, please send me a PM before you do.

True, you don't explicitly trash Dr Baeke.  But based on the rushing-to-her-defence nature of your post, and the if-you-want-the-REAL-truth quote above, how are you surprised by the inference that you have previously unspoken secrets to share which might lead one to view Dr Baeke in a less savoury light?

Yes, you did throw in this extra bit:

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Breast augmentation surgery is a serious procedure and one should try and garner as much information as possible before entering into it.

On its own, this seems harmless enough.  Many of us already know this guiding principle, hence we've been devouring relating information not just here in this forum, but literally through years of scouring the Internet.  One might infer that you wish to provide general knowledge/wisdom to women considering a breast augmentation.

The issue I have with this is that such knowledge beneficial to any one woman should be publicized for the benefit of all.  After all, that's what the whole point of the Real World Breast Enlargement Options / Information forum is about.  The only immediate reason for not wanting to share publically is that the information is of a significantly controversial nature, and as such, isn't harmless at all.  Given that you had just finished saying, "... is considering going to Dr Baeke," one might infer that the private comments/controversy relate directly to him.

So, if your intent was not to smear anyone's reputation (because 'smear' is such a strong word), would perhaps the phrase "slow erosion of one's reputation through casual dialogue, one person at a time" be closer to the mark?

[bigguns]

{{So, if your intent was not to smear anyone's reputation (because 'smear' is such a strong word), would perhaps the phrase "slow erosion of one's reputation through casual dialogue, one person at a time" be closer to the mark?}}


Well said sir.

[Tugboatcap]

Um, Pix.  If she is in the hospital, how is she making these posts?  Last time I checked, laptops and internet connections are NOT part of the equipment in a patients room...

Tugboat"Funny how they don't like devices that are not intrinsically safe there"cap!

[djquik1]

hello,this is my first time ever posting.My girlfriend is a patient of Dr. Baeke's and went to him for corrective surgery of a spun teardrop implant.She went with the new silicone gel implants.Dr. Baeke warned her of the risks and that she would have some scars.He was very professional and up front with possibilities of complications that could arise.I also have 4 other female friends that have gone to him for augmentive surgery.I have yet to hear of any mistakes that he has made,only ones that he has corrected.I highly doubt he is responsible for A/F difficulties.I apologize for any improper spelling.

[barbie]

Deleted. Post as yourself Rhiannon or don't post.

[barbie]

Deleted. Post as yourself Rhiannon or don't post.

[barbie]

Deleted. Post as yourself Rhiannon or don't post.

[TrapJaw]

And until every mod has viewed the direction this thread has gone in, it's locked. If they so choose to open it up in any fashion, so be it, but it's late and they deserve a chance to see it before it continues. This conversation is just slowly melting away into a flame war and it's NOT welcome at this site. Argue in private messages or on another site. The BEA is not going to be your wrestling ring.

And if everyone here wants to get into all the fine details and do something productive about it instead of bringing it on an internet message board...

CALL YOUR LAWYERS. They can actually get it settled. The BEA can't.