[Sexy BEast]

http://www.wendyfiore.com/30/

Not enormously great news but understandable to say the least. I hope whatever way Wendy decides is what's best for her.

As awesome as she is, the price tag of $24.95/month might be driving away customers.  Not many people are willing to pay that much without nude or topless.

I hope she finds additional ways to stay in the modeling biz and make good money with it, such as publishing some of her videos on Youtube and monetizing them.  Fans here can help to make the videos go viral and draw millions of hits.  Some people make a living entirely from the money they get from the millions of Youtube hits they generate.

[Palomine]

...Some people make a living entirely from the money they get from the millions of Youtube hits they generate.

Lest anyone think otherwise, the actual number of people 'making a living entirely' from Youtube hits is probably extremely small, if by 'living' you mean paying for a mortgage, insurance, etc... only via the after-tax income from web video traffic. And of that tiny number of people, the majority are almost certainly not providing adult-oriented content via a mainstream site like Youtube, let alone working within a small niche of the adult content market (BB aka big breast) or an even tinier niche of that market (such as non-nude BB in Wendy's case).

I agree with you that $25. a month ain't chicken feed... though I'm positive some fans are only too happy to pay it for any model they're into. I'm sure Wendy's got plenty of fervent fans, though how many of them can afford an extra $300. of disposable income each year just for her site is unknown to me. The reality is that $25./month is more than some folks pay for their internet connections or their landline phone bills.

There've been many posts about this topic here over the years: the actual pro/con economics of trying to make money online via BB/BE websites/content. We've had artists with comics, models with websites and/or camming, BE filmmakers and of course webmasters too all offering their views and experiences on this subject. And if one were to generalize, the end result is that it's VERY VERY RARE for an individual content creator/provider (a model working for herself, an artist selling subscriptions/issues/etc...) to make much more than incidental extra income from such ventures.

Lots of people still seem to have the 'Danni Ashe made millions' thing stuck in their heads... never failing to mention her appearance in the Wall Street Journal or the eventual sale of her website to Penthouse years later. And though I'm sure Danni did make millions (cumulatively, less expenses) she did so relatively early in the age of online commercial adult content, when there was less saturation overall and she managed to do so with unusually high production values and creativity, which no doubt played a part in her success. Be that as it may, she was an exception... what happened to her is not the norm by any stretch of the imagination.

It saddens me when we hear various parties complain about the reality of the economics of all this. Perfectly gorgeous women wind up being angry and bitter about their inability to make a living posing nude for their own sites... after all the time, money and effort they invest, they don't get enough subscribers and the inevitable percentage lost to piracy only rubs salt in the wound. Whether they got bad advice, or simply didn't do their own research and thus went into their ventures with unrealistic expectations I have no idea. But judging only from anecdotal posts here over the years, it's not uncommon at all. If anything, it seems that THAT kind of experience is the rule, and the rare person actually 'making a living' the exception.

Wendy is undeniably one of the most beautiful and desirable models working today. Whether that translates to 'making a living entirely' online or not, even with the best possible choices (re: production, marketing/distribution, etc...) remains to be seen. Whatever Wendy does, I wish her nothing but happiness regardless.

[Magiciano]

Wendy Fiore

[Real]

I think it's a vicious cycle.  Her web traffic must suffer for the fact she won't go nude, which also dries up similar income streams like webcamming, She has to charge enough to keep her site viable, but at then you look over at Jordan who's been able to offer more in terms of content and now adding guest models you can see where people might go elsewhere with their non-nude big titty dollars.

Whatever that's all speculation, I wouldn't really know.  I respect her decision to stay true to herself regardless though.  I hope for the best for her on all fronts.

[LaCroix]

I think it's a vicious cycle.  Her web traffic must suffer for the fact she won't go nude, which also dries up similar income streams like webcamming, She has to charge enough to keep her site viable, but at then you look over at Jordan who's been able to offer more in terms of content and now adding guest models you can see where people might go elsewhere with their non-nude big titty dollars.

Yeah and Jordan only charges 9.99 a month...

A shame because I like Wendy more (her breasts are natural) - I've been a member of her site before but when so many of the photosets are just her walking around in a dress it gets a bit boring.
She should be a bit more creative, like her Actiongirls stuff.

[DJPFC]

Lest anyone think otherwise, the actual number of people 'making a living entirely' from Youtube hits is probably extremely small, if by 'living' you mean paying for a mortgage, insurance, etc... only via the after-tax income from web video traffic. And of that tiny number of people, the majority are almost certainly not providing adult-oriented content via a mainstream site like Youtube, let alone working within a small niche of the adult content market (BB aka big breast) or an even tinier niche of that market (such as non-nude BB in Wendy's case).

I agree with you that $25. a month ain't chicken feed... though I'm positive some fans are only too happy to pay it for any model they're into. I'm sure Wendy's got plenty of fervent fans, though how many of them can afford an extra $300. of disposable income each year just for her site is unknown to me. The reality is that $25./month is more than some folks pay for their internet connections or their landline phone bills.

There've been many posts about this topic here over the years: the actual pro/con economics of trying to make money online via BB/BE websites/content. We've had artists with comics, models with websites and/or camming, BE filmmakers and of course webmasters too all offering their views and experiences on this subject. And if one were to generalize, the end result is that it's VERY VERY RARE for an individual content creator/provider (a model working for herself, an artist selling subscriptions/issues/etc...) to make much more than incidental extra income from such ventures.

Lots of people still seem to have the 'Danni Ashe made millions' thing stuck in their heads... never failing to mention her appearance in the Wall Street Journal or the eventual sale of her website to Penthouse years later. And though I'm sure Danni did make millions (cumulatively, less expenses) she did so relatively early in the age of online commercial adult content, when there was less saturation overall and she managed to do so with unusually high production values and creativity, which no doubt played a part in her success. Be that as it may, she was an exception... what happened to her is not the norm by any stretch of the imagination.

It saddens me when we hear various parties complain about the reality of the economics of all this. Perfectly gorgeous women wind up being angry and bitter about their inability to make a living posing nude for their own sites... after all the time, money and effort they invest, they don't get enough subscribers and the inevitable percentage lost to piracy only rubs salt in the wound. Whether they got bad advice, or simply didn't do their own research and thus went into their ventures with unrealistic expectations I have no idea. But judging only from anecdotal posts here over the years, it's not uncommon at all. If anything, it seem that THAT kind of experience is the rule, and the rare person actually 'making a living' the exception.

Wendy is undeniably one of the most beautiful and desirable models working today. Whether that translates to 'making a living entirely' online or not, even with the best possible choices (re: production, marketing/distribution, etc...) remains to be seen. Whatever Wendy does, I wish her nothing but happiness regardless.

I was going to write something about Wendy's post, but this from Palomine left really nothing to be said, because it's 100% on the mark.  

So many fans out there casually assume that models make "so much money" but the truth is far from that and given the changes to the internet and other aspects of it, doing business online is not nearly as easy as it was ten or five or even two years ago.  Danni Ashe started her site and made her money back in the mid-90's, which is ancient history compared to what is going on now.  That was nearly 20 years ago, which in computer/technology time is like a century.  

The truth is that in today's day and age of 2014, it takes a LOT of work, know-how, resources and stamina to program and run and market a website properly so that it becomes profitable, and it's really, REALLY hard to do it all on one's own.  

And if any of you think $25 a month is expensive, you should see how much it costs to actually run and program a content-based website.

[transmogrifer]

it sounds scary that she might get a chemo therapy 

[Rentahero]

The truth is Wendy's site is a bit boring.   Jordan was mentioned, and she's a good example of someone who realizes the big boobs aren't quite enough.  They need to be seen out and about, doing things.   That's the big appeal.  Being able to ogle big boobs while a woman is roller blading, or doing yoga, or any other activity is way sexier than just meandering about on the beach.  

I do think she could start a youtube channel about one of her other pursuits in life, and use her cleavage to draw in viewers ala something Angie from Scream Team has been doing. 

She loves to talk about politics, why not become one of those "response girls"?

[Kopy Kat]

Well to be fair, her cleavage is there, just not full on topless which Wendy doesn't do. We can suggest a lot of things but she gets the endgame, and we have to respect that. I mean Tifa does those YT cooking videos, her fan base I'd say is mostly guys yet no toplessness. It isn't what they want to do at this time.

[zeo]

Danni Ashe started in pre-web days. Back then I was surprised there was any money in it. Already usenet had more content than anyone could possibly stitch together and uudecode. The old BBSes had tons it and it was being posted to usenet every minute.

The early web was far easier to code and far less demanding to maintain. Anyone with a bit of intelligence could learn it quickly and do it themselves. What people demand today as far as an interface, java code, etc and so on would have a much steeper learning curve. I haven't coded websites in ages but unless there are special tools to do it all for people a DIY website that is good enough for commercial use these days wouldn't be nearly as easy. What that means is hiring people, so more cost.

Also another thing Danni Ashe did was hire others to model for the site. This constant newness had to have helped considerably. The single woman site logically would need to be finding new customers at a much higher rate. After a while there probably isn't much to see that hasn't already been seen. People move on. Honestly I am surprised any of them make enough money to eat these days (without having a regular job somewhere). The amount of competition, the lack of disposable income among regular people, etc has to make getting enough subscribers difficult.

She'll have to decide whether the site is worth the income it generates vs the work and how the numbers are looking with regards to subscriber retention and new subscribers. She's not going to go down the road of exposing more and more of herself to keep it going, so it's really a question seeing where the peak is and knowing when to turn it off. As one woman show, that is with limited newness, it's going follow some sort of predictable curve from the data she should have, provided there isn't some sort of mainstream TV exposure or some such that changes the trend.

Oh take a look at the January 31, 2014 at 10:02 am post by her. I won't quote it, just read it on the 30 link.

[Geeve]

Agree with most things other than harder to run or code today, it's so much more developed with more tools and there are a lot more people with comp science degrees now.  In the 90s you were a star if you had flash knowledge, I was only 1-2 years off when it came out but still got typical rates of $60-120/hr to design sites.  Now it's standard fare and web work is typical entry level salaries.  For these types of sites only need 1 guy as your general IT, server/web handler, anything else is overkill or scammed.

[Robin_K2]

I just read her post. The physical pain she reports is alarming, and I don't know what this talk is of chemo. If she's that ill -- she has to work on recovering her health first.

The rest sounds to me like depression. (Which is now being aggressively treated in me with eight different meds. So I sympathize!) It is another way of being ill -- and she should treat both her pain and any possible emotional problems.

Interesting note, though, is that severe depression can manifest as physical pain. Mike Wallace once had it so bad that he had trouble walking.

So there is lots for her to consider here, and I'm all sure we hope she gets the attention she may need.

[DJPFC]

I just read her post. The physical pain she reports is alarming, and I don't know what this talk is of chemo. If she's that ill -- she has to work on recovering her health first.

The rest sounds to me like depression. (Which is now being aggressively treated in me with eight different meds. So I sympathize!) It is another way of being ill -- and she should treat both her pain and any possible emotional problems.

Interesting note, though, is that severe depression can manifest as physical pain. Mike Wallace once had it so bad that he had trouble walking.

So there is lots for her to consider here, and I'm all sure we hope she gets the attention she may need.

It's not depression exactly -- Wendy has Crohn's Disease, which is a very difficult disease to live with and to manage.   That's not a secret BTW, she makes it known to her fans.  I suppose the disease is enough to make one depressed (understandably so) but it's not actual depression she suffers from.  It's an extremely painful chronic disease that makes life very difficult for the people who suffer from it.  The chemo she is referring to is for that, not cancer or anything else.

[TheZookie007]

She loves to talk about politics, why not become one of those "response girls"?

That is a dead end. After receiving so many complaints, Google/YouTube changed their algorithms so that "response girls" videos get reduced hits, and therefore reduced income. That is not the way for her to go at all.

[CarlTL]

It's not depression exactly -- Wendy has Crohn's Disease, which is a very difficult disease to live with and to manage.   That's not a secret BTW, she makes it known to her fans.  I suppose the disease is enough to make one depressed (understandably so) but it's not actual depression she suffers from.  It's an extremely painful chronic disease that makes life very difficult for the people who suffer from it.  The chemo she is referring to is for that, not cancer or anything else.

Crohn's? Oh crap. 

I hope that Wendy can get the continual treatment to keep that under control and make her life better.