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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #675 on: May 09, 2022, 10:31:42 PM »
There have already been Black Time-Lords, it is nothing new.

What annoys me is the constant bleating about 'representation, diversity' and using TV to make 'bold statements'.

I don't care about identity politics, I just want to be entertained. Chibnall turned the show into a lecturing, woke, borefest with the lowest rated episodes ever.

Ncuti looks to be a decent actor, and his lack of roles should not impede him, much like it did not impede Matt Smith, who I liked a lot.

I personally think they needed a bigger name to bring the fans back, if you cast for any other reason than getting the best person for the role (which I hope they have in this case) then you are simply pandering. The casting of the Doctor and the speculation behind it has been driven more to appease the moaning media (oh no, not another old white guy).

Jodie and Chibs took the show from over 10 million viewers, to less than 3. It is going to get something really special to bring fans back in decent numbers. I don't think this is it, and if they double down on the 'Timeless **09**' stuff and the identity politics, the fans will stay away.

People want to be entertained, not lectured to.

I have cautious optimism, RTD has done social commentary in an allegorical way (not the blatant in your face way of Chibnall's run) and it worked very well and I am quite excited to see what he will do with the show and how Ncuti will play the Doctor.

Hopefully the buzz around the 60th anniversary will get the fans interested, lord knows it needs something!

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« Reply #676 on: May 09, 2022, 11:04:18 PM »
And I'll wager the assholes are already complaining about a black guy becoming The Doctor.

Look, The Doctor is from Gallifrey. And Gallifrey is an entire planet. Who's to say that there aren't different colored Gallifreyans?

People always will have something to complain about. I pay them no mind. Especially when they start bleating about "identity politics" which is usually a synonym for "I don't like it when entertainment talks about, or highlights, or features, people who don't look like me: a white cis-gendered male, who has been the hero and the villain and everything in between in almost every thing since the beginning of Hollywood". Because as the saying goes: "when you're accustomed to (or largely benefit from) oppression, equality (or better, more equitable, representation of people who have historically not been well represented in media) looks like oppression to you."

I always give a new Doctor a fair shake, or at least I try to. I didn't like Matt Smith at first because he looked too much like an alien to me (ironic, I know), and because I liked David Tennant so much. But he definitely grew on me as his tenure went on. So I will give Ncuti Gatwa a fair shake as well, or at least try to.

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« Reply #677 on: May 10, 2022, 04:56:44 AM »
Britain is 3% black, if anything in recent years there is a massive over-representation in TV shows and adverts in the UK, even when something is set in a tiny village. Unless it is set in London, then they are probably underrepresented (see Eastenders for an example).

I don't know, maybe it is because I am comfortable in myself that I don't need a TV show to validate me and I am quite comfortable and able to watch a TV show without seeing myself 'represented'.

I don't watch The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Luther or Luke Cage because I want to see myself, I want to be entertained. The same reason why I also like shows like Gilmore Girls, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Veronica Mars. I don't need shows to always have a male hero, but I guess I don't suffer from the need for constant validation.

The problem with TV the last 5 years is that entertainment has become secondary to the messaging. No-one made a huge fuss back in 1988 when two of the three main characters in Red Dwarf were black, or when Avery Brooks became the first black headliner of a Star Trek show (maybe they did, but I didn't notice), it all just seemed perfectly natural to me. Nowadays people have to make a huge deal about it, like it is something new, and the Twitterati are all out clapping like demented seals! Same as they do whenever Jodie Whittaker and Yazmin in the current series have a 'Thasmin' moment. Doctor Who is not written for everybody any more, under Chibnall it pandered to the woke progressives.

I am hoping under RTD that Doctor Who will get back to entertaining people, and I hope that Ncuti is a dynamic Doctor who stays away from romantic entanglements in the TARDIS.

And as for the term 'cis-gendered white male'? I don't know anyone who can take a term like that seriously as it highlights the obsession with race the far-left has, having to categorize all groups and put them in their little boxes. Most people are not that political and treat people as they find them, we can already see the woke types bitching that if Doctor Who does not succeed it will be because of 'racism' etc, even though a small number of fans are that way inclined. Most of the progressive types who are championing Ncuti's casting won't even watch the show. It is why, when you pander, rather than entertain, the ratings end up in the toilet. Progressives complain about TV shows, but they seldom support them.

I have a good feeling about Ncuti, especially with Russell's writing. Chibnall's era felt like a total box-ticking exercise and almost every episode felt like a lecture. When I watched an episode of Tennant recently (Partners in Crime) and Smith (The Eleventh Hour), boy, did those episodes seem incredible when compared to recent stuff. Jodie's first episode by comparison was awful.

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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #678 on: May 10, 2022, 08:51:07 AM »
^I like Jodie, but those first couple of episodes with her just put me to sl33p  and I lost interest in the show.  Part of the problem was that she had some thing like two-dozen companions, or something like that.

I’ll give the new guy a fair shake.  Maybe I’ll start watching again. We’ll see.
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« Reply #679 on: May 10, 2022, 01:10:59 PM »
^I like Jodie, but those first couple of episodes with her just put me to sl33p  and I lost interest in the show.  Part of the problem was that she had some thing like two-dozen companions, or something like that.

I’ll give the new guy a fair shake.  Maybe I’ll start watching again. We’ll see.

I wasn't able to watch much of Peter Capaldi's turn as The Doctor, nor was I able to watch much of Jodie's turn. I should really try to remedy that.
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« Reply #680 on: May 10, 2022, 04:00:07 PM »
I'm actually excited about Doctor Who for the first time in years. I like Ncuti and I think he will bring a lot of energy to the show. I wasn't sure about the casting of Matt Smith at first, what with him being so young, but within the first two minutes he WAS the Doctor, I have a feeling Ncuti will do the same. I am hoping he will do his own take, rather than try and copy anyone else.

One positive thing about the interviews I have seen Ncuti give is his respect for the show and the people who came before him. That will endear him to the fans. It is sad that his race seems to be the main talking point, rather than his talent, on both sides. I can forgive him talking about so much about visibility because he is a young black guy that is now a very positive role model for other aspiring black actors. I just hope the 'race' issue does not become the be-all-and-end-all of the show in the next year, let the press get it out of their system and RTD can then concentrate on planning the 60th anniversary and beyond. Russell was very much a trail blazer for diversity when the show came back, and it never felt forced, probably because it wasn't talked about as much. When you make a TV show more about representation and messaging, rather than entertaining people, you lose viewers by the millions. We've seen it happen.

I am wondering what will happen in the 60th anniversary show. It would be a lot to put on the shoulders of a new actor to have your first episode as the 60th anniversary special, and if it is a multi-Doctor story, will Jodie be in it? It's a bit much to have her back the episode after she left. I'm wondering of the 60th will feature past Doctors and wait until series 14 to introduce the 14th Doctor.

Maybe Russell will film a sneaky Christmas special for this year...

Either way, they have a long time to build up interest in the show again, and hopefully the buzz around the 60th anniversary special will bring the fans back, and for that to truly happen you NEED Tennant to be in it!

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« Reply #681 on: May 10, 2022, 08:53:27 PM »
Personally, I don't care who plays The Doctor, and I'm not bothered that much by how "preachy" an episode can get.

What I really can't stand is all these story arcs that pile on mystery after mystery -without ANY justification, mind you - and then fail to resolve even a single one.

Anyone remember how Clara Oswald was supposed to be "The Impossible Girl"?
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« Reply #682 on: May 12, 2022, 05:29:00 AM »
^Yes, did you watch all the shows?

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald
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« Reply #683 on: May 12, 2022, 06:15:00 PM »
^Yes, did you watch all the shows?

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald

The impossible girl storyline is just one of the many things Chibnall's illlogical ham-fisted writing has destroyed along with U.N.I.T., the U.N.I.T. timeline (already convoluted), the Brigadier, the Doctor's past, the Master and Time-Lord history in general.

At this point in time I am wondering if the BBC actually hired Chibnall to get the show cancelled due to the cost of making it being too high!

He does old monsters pretty well though, like his Sontaran episode and although I have not seen the last episode, the Sea Devils looked great.

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« Reply #684 on: May 12, 2022, 08:28:37 PM »
^Yes, did you watch all the shows?

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald

I shouldn't have to read any fandom analysis - which includes things from outside the TV episodes - to figure it out....
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #685 on: May 12, 2022, 09:06:00 PM »
^Yes, did you watch all the shows?

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald

I shouldn't have to read any fandom analysis - which includes things from outside the TV episodes - to figure it out....

I didn’t say you did.  It’s been awhile so I just used it to refresh my memory.  Was more of a recap than analysis.

Whatever.
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« Reply #686 on: May 13, 2022, 05:03:05 AM »
^Yes, did you watch all the shows?

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Clara_Oswald

I shouldn't have to read any fandom analysis - which includes things from outside the TV episodes - to figure it out....

I didn’t say you did.  It’s been awhile so I just used it to refresh my memory.  Was more of a recap than analysis.

Whatever.

In all fairness, it was pretty straight forward to me. Maybe I am too used to Moffat's way of writing!

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« Reply #687 on: June 24, 2022, 05:43:44 AM »
Personally, I don't care who plays The Doctor, and I'm not bothered that much by how "preachy" an episode can get.

What I really can't stand is all these story arcs that pile on mystery after mystery -without ANY justification, mind you - and then fail to resolve even a single one.

Anyone remember how Clara Oswald was supposed to be "The Impossible Girl"?

Give me a story arc over preachy any day.

Which is why Moffatt's era will be looked at fondly in the future and Chibnall's will look like a woke dumpster fire.

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« Reply #688 on: August 31, 2022, 07:51:10 AM »
Yeah I've been a Doctor Who fan my entire life but I stopped watching about 3 episodes into the Whitaker Chibnal era as it instantly became absolute overly political rubbish.
I couldn't believe how quickly it went from really good to awful. World Enough and Time was up there when the best ever stories and then bang 3 episodes later it was the worst its ever been.
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« Reply #689 on: September 07, 2022, 12:01:02 PM »
I'll give this new guy a fair crack of the whip though. Assuming RTD can get the show back on track.

Funny really as I was so happy when RTD was replaced by Moffat last time as I thought Moffat was a far better writer and runner than him.
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