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« on: November 13, 2008, 08:47:41 PM »
So according to the ads, it looks like a remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is in post-production. Keanu Reeves apparently plays Klaatu. I have to admit the role of a humanoid alien fits Reeves' stiff acting style, but the question that has to be asked is why is this movie being remade? There's nothing in the original that calls for it. The effects still hold up, and Klaatu’s message to us is still valid.

Apparently, they feel that they can do much better with all sorts of computer effects, despite there being absolutely no need for them.

Now if Hollywood wants to remake a movie for the sake of showing off special effects, might I suggest "The Man with the X-ray Eyes"?

Ray Milland plays a scientist who is working on a potentially radical and dramatic treatment for blindness. But all the animals he tests it on die soon after the treatment, seemingly of shock. Discussing the problem with colleagues, he decides that there's only one thing to do. So even though he’s not blind himself, he gives himself the treatment.

At first, there are no ill effects. Then at a party, he suddenly starts being able to see through clothing. After the novelty of this wears off, he heads to the casinos, where he can see through cards. Deeper and deeper his sight goes. He tries being a mind reader / psychic for a while, and being able to see inside people’s bodies gives a new dimension to his medical work.

But when he can't *stop* seeing through and inside things, he realizes what killed his test animals. Imagine that nothing has a real surface, and you can see right through your eyelids...

He starts losing it, knowing he's heading for the same fate. The movie hints that he starts seeing the lovecraftian horrors lurking deep within the earth, or just outside our normal dimensions. He winds up at a revival meeting, where the sermon happens to be on the verse, "If thine eye offends, thee, cut it out!"

The logical thing happens, but there's one single, terrifying line *after* the screen fades to black...

Certainly special effects have advanced to the point where we can make a reasonable attempt at this, right?

Another movie that could stand being remade is "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde". In the Frederic March (1931) and the Spencer Tracy (1941) versions, the basic idea was that sexual repression is Bad. Dr. Jekyll is a fine gentleman doctor, who does his damnedest to keep his base desires at bay – because that is what Society demands. He cannot wait to marry his fiancée, but her dad is a domineering stuffy old fart who insists that his daughter wait a respectable amount of time before the wedding. Can't have people thinking it's a Shotgun Wedding, you see. Wouldn't be proper...

After helping a Loose Woman (he stops an assault on a "call girl" before it turns into something worse, and takes her back to her room, where she offers to reward the handsome young doctor for his aid, in her own way...), he concludes that he has to get some release for his passions. Fortunately, he was studying the brain chemistry behind certain types of insanity... You know the rest...

Most "remakes" (I hesitate to use the term) have been along the lines of a teen comedy, where the young genius invents a sex change potion, or something equally inane. But a serious look at sexuality, morality, and the constraints of society is something that can be done in any era. All you need is a good, thoughtful screenplay, and a really good cast...neither of which we seem to have today.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 02:34:26 AM »
Just heard that Jaden Smith, Will Smith's boy, is slated to be the star of a remake of The Karate Kid.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 06:12:52 AM »
I'll have to get back to this, but your point is fair.  I think the rationale is that this "Day" will be more ecological, whereas the original dealt more with the threat of expanding nuclear aggression, but we shall see.

While I like your suggestion, there can be a "stillborn" version of it if people aren't careful.  I considered it dubious to try to remake "The Manchurian Candidate," but then I figured there could be interesting new ways to go with it.  Unfortunately, where the first was ground-breaking, the second contributed so little as to actually fall behind the curve.  How threatening is a Manchurian Candidate on the heels of a Halliburton Vice-President?

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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 09:54:51 AM »
 TDTESS is getting remade for the exact same reason that any/every film/tv show gets remade: money.

It has nothing to do with whether the original was so much better than the remake (Wages of Fear, La Femme Nikitia, a hundred+ others) or whether the original is still culturally relevant. It's just potential revenue.

Not only am I sick of remakes (offhand, I can't think of one I've seen that was better than the original film) I'm sick to death of seeing the same damn actors over and over and over and over. Yeah, I get it... Keaunu wants his $25 million dollar paycheck and the studio figures his participation will insure financial success for the movie. But for pete's sake: if I NEVER saw another movie with him, or Cruise, or Stallone/Schwartzeneger/etc..., or a full dozen OTHER guys who bring in 10s of millions per picture... turning out the same uninspired dreck every single time... well then, I'd not miss them at all.

This applies not just to actors of course, but also to writers, directors, executive producers, etc... imagine what fresh new talents might become available to audiences if the same cadre of 100 principals finally decided they have enough $ and retired?

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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 11:10:15 AM »
Don't forget all the remake from overseas. Even with the language barrier, the actor are more grittier and real from the Europeans nation then our remake in this country. I think risk for being edgy and new are being subdue by the need to make money. Playing it too safe to make movie that they think the audience wants to see. Same with music! It used to be the vision of the artist, but then manager takes over and the music have become formulated over the years. Then guys like Frank Zappa stood out like a sore thumb to the structure manager musician relationship.

In our case with movies, artist like Tarantino and Johnny Depp both have removed themselves from the land of Hollywood, have venture further to find their own uniqueness.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 11:54:04 AM »
they just want sure money.'

the craziest example ive probably ever seen was that "arthur" garbage that clive owen was in.

they made up a completely new story and just tacked on names from the arthur legend to different characters.  nothing to do with arthur at all, except brand recognition.  brutal...
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 12:16:38 PM »
I consider "King Arthur" to be simply false advertising.  If they wanted to tell a tale of ancient warriors, that would have been one thing, but they insisted "here is a basis for the Arthur legend."  No way.

While checking just now on a certain play by Aristophanes, I just noticed that "The Birds" will be remade next year with George Clooney and Naomi Watts.

I can do without George Clooney remakes.  The Russian "Solaris" was overlong, but it was honest and memorable.  I don't quite see Naomi as one of Palomine's greedheads, though I guess "King Kong" and now "The Birds" make a case against her -- maybe she just needs another agent.

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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 03:16:06 PM »
The remake of a classic with a new setting such as "Oh Brother where art thou" was a good remake! And modern Shakespeare, but that gets to be redone many times over!
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 03:27:58 PM »
I *love* rtpoe's remake ideas. For the most part, I fall in the camp that believes remakes should be reserved for movies with potential that was fumbled the first time out, and movies that can have new and different resonance due to societal changes.

As far as the former, I said for years to whoever would listen that The Poseidon Adventure should be remade. You wouldn't know from either version, but the pulpy novel the original was partially lifted from was far superior. When I got my wish for a remake, it didn't resemble the novel at all and used only the concept, and everything else was different. I didn't even bother seeing it.

There's an old Billy Wilder movie from the late '50s called Ace in the Hole, where Kirk Douglas plays a big-city reporter in some podunk desert mining town for a dinky story when the mine caves in and traps a worker. He uses it to his advantage and (secretly ensuring that the miner stays trapped until he's squeezed every drop of potential out of it) builds a frenzied media circus around the whole thing. It's a dark, bitter, REALLY excellent concept that's just a liiiiitle bit off in its execution (but still a highly enjoyable movie). Only film buffs know it for the most part because it was a huge bomb when it premiered, and only picked up critical favor on TV down the line. It's obscure and somewhat flawed, and very relevant now--remake.

The V.I.P.s, a glossy '60s soap opera about wealthy folks stranded in the VIP lounge of a major airport when inclement weather grounds all the flights. Numerous characters, multiple storylines, everyone's got issues and entanglements. Richard Burton, Liz Taylor, Louis Jourdan, Maggie Smith, on and on. Margaret Rutherford won an Oscar for her performance. Sounds interesting...thing is, the movie's LAME. It's bloated, boring, and aimless, with the exception of a couple of spirited performances (Smith in particular is sublime). Remake. And the great thing about that since the characters are mostly failures in execution, with this one you COULD create entirely new characters and retain only the concept.

The War of the Roses--fairly recent, in terms of things being remade, and actually one of my all-time favorites. But it's flawed. I'm not talking about the divisive fate of the main characters--I think that's absolutely spot on--but the whole of the screenplay contains a little TOO much bitter and doesn't balance as properly as it could've, and the film's big blunder is the bookending (and occasionally interrupting) narrative scenes with Devito and Dan Castellaneta. I think with some tightening that could be ready for another go.

And in about ten more years, I think The Devil's Advocate needs to get its shit together and come back to the table. That should have been a DYNAMITE movie. There was a lot there that worked, but it fucked up in way too many places along the way, starting with the fact that it wasn't written NEARLY well enough to take itself that seriously, and ending with...well, that shitty ending.

As far as legitimate classics, it's high time somebody got around to taking on Network. An update of that could REALLY be something. Clooney optioned it years ago and was developing a remake, but nothing ever came of it for some reason. All About Eve is up there with Network as one of the most brilliant screenplays ever filmed, and there's still fresh life in it and a new angle to be taken in the modern era. I think The Philadelphia Story, with the right writer and excellently cast, could be a really refreshing thing.

Many might disagree, and I don't dispute it would be a TALL fucking order because it's just SO damned iconic, but I really believe Scarface needs to be tried again. This is not a case where I'd like to see it--I feel it SHOULD be done. I feel that the great movie that's somewhere in there deserves another shot at being brought out. Some great performances and some damned fantastic moments were done a real disservice by some BAAAAD performances (OMG Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, were you SERIOUS with that?), a lot of not-so-great dialogue (I don't care about the profanity, I just mean most of the dialogue sucked), and just general excessive bloatedness. There are two or three VERY different directions one could go with a modern retelling, and done sharply (it would have to be, to stand up to the fan outcries) it could be amazing.

Once upon a time I said that, too, about The Women. It's a god damn shame how Nancy Myers botched the hell out of that, because now nobody can or will touch it again for at least twenty years. At least.

I'm sure there are others. I never agreed with them remaking The Manchurian Candidate, but on paper I could see where they were going with it and why they believed it would work--I just thought the original was TOO brilliant to top. I loathe that someone actually thought in recent years that it was worth attempting to remake Charade (a PERFECT film that gains nothing extra with modernization and has nothing else left to say) and The Pink Panther (damn near so, and impossible to ever recreate in a way that wouldn't invite--and fail in--comparison).

One of my favorite cases for remakes is the Sydney Pollack version of Sabrina, with Harrison Ford and Greg Kinnear. Despite the casting and director, I never ever cared for the original, and found it boring and heavily lacking in charm or chemistry. The remake simply glows.

My big fear? We all know it's only a matter of time before somebody remakes Jaws. And why the fuck would you try to mess with that?

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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 03:29:15 PM »
Quote:

3deroticer said:
The remake of a classic with a new setting such as "Oh Brother where art thou" was a good remake! And modern Shakespeare, but that gets to be redone many times over!




O Brother was EXCELLENT, and shows what can be mined from very old, very done material if you get clever enough.

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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2008, 03:34:03 PM »
I thought "Voyager" star trek series remake of Flash Gordon in the Holosuite was better than the TV series Flash Gordon!

can I get an amen on that?
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 07:11:40 PM »
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The War of the Roses--fairly recent, in terms of things being remade, and actually one of my all-time favorites. But it's flawed. I'm not talking about the divisive fate of the main characters--I think that's absolutely spot on--but the whole of the screenplay contains a little TOO much bitter and doesn't balance as properly as it could've, and the film's big blunder is the bookending (and occasionally interrupting) narrative scenes with Devito and Dan Castellaneta. I think with some tightening that could be ready for another go.

 




I'm still waiting for anybody to make a real movie about divorce. They either tend to lean toward the nastiness (War of the Roses) or the wistful romance (The Way We Were).

A few decades ago somebody did a study of separated spouses, and was surprised to discover that 70% of separated spouses were still having sex at least twice a week.

Or, as the Ex-Mrs. Pedonbio #2 once put it, "I don't know whether I want to kill you or fuck you more!" Fortunately, she opted for the latter.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »
What about "Knocked up"?
I thought that was pretty much on par for the marriage bickering of the sister and brother-in-law.

A movie that needs a remake and do it better is "Demolition Man" and "Judge Dredd"
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 07:41:14 PM »
bwaaaaahhhh!

Remakes can turn out great. The Fly being the best example of a remake being superior. The Wiz was superior in every way to the Wizard of Oz. Oceans 11 was better than the original. And yes, Sony's Godzilla was in every way better than any 'guy in rubber suit' Godzilla.
Sometimes remakes might not be superior, but they are still okay. The original Planet of the Apes was a classic, but the remake was good dumbed-down fun. Same goes for the countless 'bodysnatcher' remakes, and Zombie movies. Romeo and Juliet was neat, but no way near as good as the Olivia Hussey full frontal version.
Then there are the remakes that are suckish, like Shaft, or the Pink Panther.

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 07:42:09 PM »
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What about "Knocked up"?
I thought that was pretty much on par for the marriage bickering of the sister and brother-in-law.

A movie that needs a remake and do it better is "Demolition Man" and "Judge Dredd"




bwaaahhh!

Judge Dredd was great.