[titties]

Look, I was there and the explanation I got came from the two girls that DID show up. If THEY are wrong about why the other girls did not show up then I guess I will be wrong. Yes, Martin probably made mistakes ( IMO, Texas casino , located in North Las Vegas, a separate municipality, is too far from the Strip and probably made some of the girls not come). But Martin did not receive even a message about why they couldn't show up or nothing. Seems very rude at best. I personally did not see anything like lewd behavior while there because there were so few people. If anything, it was very sedate and civilized. About who to boycott, Martin is the one who knows who was supposed to show up. If he wants to divulge that information, that is his business. By the way, this show hours was 10 AM to 6 PM, so how it interfered with the other show is a mystery to me. I was there from 11 AM to 4:30 PM and the show was not shutdown by lewd behavior but due to a lack of attendance therefore money. I did not go today because of family obligations so I don't know if there even was a show today. All I know is that Martin probably took it up the ass and didn't even get lube or a kiss to make it better.

Lets try this: Me..20 years managing and consulting some of the most popular big bust models in the business. I had over 50 phone conversations with different girls about this convention. You: well meaning fan.

[Offline]

Titties,

Let's try this... me - consumer with money, you - adult business entertainer flipping burgers at Mickey D's.  I've got a good idea who you are due to your posts here so far, so I will make sure none of my money makes it to your pockets.

[Palomine]

Titties,

Let's try this... me - consumer with money, you - adult business entertainer flipping burgers at Mickey D's.  I've got a good idea who you are due to your posts here so far, so I will make sure none of my money makes it to your pockets.

Okay, I think everyone's made their opinions clear... let's all just take a pause here before this escalates further, causing the thread to be locked, etc... Thanks.

[derf79]

I believe being within days of each other may have contributed. I attempted to put on a show here in Fl (unrelated to Boobs or Adult anything) and was shut down because of a similar show having a conflicting schedule. And yes, these shows can run in the tens of thousands of dollars before any profit is made. So I do feel for Martin. It's really a "build it and they will come" mentality and sadly, sometimes they don't come.

[solvegas]

Lets try this: Me..20 years managing and consulting some of the most popular big bust models in the business. I had over 50 phone conversations with different girls about this convention. You: well meaning fan.

I was only putting out what I experienced while there. I don't know if you attended at all and yet you give me a condescending, vicious remark. So I have no experience managing girls, so what ? As a consumer, it is I, along with many others, who determine the success of the enterprise through my purchases using my Dollars. If you are a so called business man, you don't ensure the success of your business by alienating your patrons, customers. I do not wish to revisit this incident any more.

[zappfra]

Well said George, have no idea why he/she thought you warranted attacking by just stating the facts.

[titties]

Well said George, have no idea why he/she thought you warranted attacking by just stating the facts.

#1 He  #2 your facts are wrong. #3 if there were more of you so called consumers with money they would have shown up.(Check Minka's rate for the fan photo shoot and you'll get an idea of how she feels.  #4 Pay them and they will come is the new motto.

You made a big stink about how none of the girls showed up. All I did was try and explain to you why they didn't. I'll never understand you guys here on this board.  Every now and then I try to give you  guys some real insight on the inner  workings of things and all you do is but heads with me. I can understand your anger and frustration though, knowing that there won't be lots of free pictures coming from the event.  Owell i agree that  maybe it's better sometimes to live in a fantasy world than to deal with the reality of paying bills and what will happen when one gets old.

[titties]

Titties,

Let's try this... me - consumer with money, you - adult business entertainer flipping burgers at Mickey D's.  I've got a good idea who you are due to your posts here so far, so I will make sure none of my money makes it to your pockets.

No Mickey D's for me... My other job was saving lives. 

[titties]

Well said George, have no idea why he/she thought you warranted attacking by just stating the facts.

Sorry, It wasn't meant to read as an attack. I was a little put off by the **93** girls BS story  and the boycott stuff though.

[titties]

I was only putting out what I experienced while there. I don't know if you attended at all and yet you give me a condescending, vicious remark. So I have no experience managing girls, so what ? As a consumer, it is I, along with many others, who determine the success of the enterprise through my purchases using my Dollars. If you are a so called business man, you don't ensure the success of your business by alienating your patrons, customers. I do not wish to revisit this incident any more.

If you were a patron you would have been at the party. Since you weren't there most likely you are  not a patron anyway.  Therefore  rendering your  patron dollar threat theory to be mute. Business Psycholoy  101.  At least we agree on one thing.... its time to move on.

[zappfra]

If you were a patron you would have been at the party. Since you weren't there most likely you are  not a patron anyway.  Therefore  rendering your  patron dollar threat theory to be mute. Business Psycholoy  101.  At least we agree on one thing.... its time to move on.

By his post he was a patron of the FV show, which he was commenting on, and where he would have spent his patron $$$ I expect. I don't think "the other show" was ever mentioned in the post. so yes he was a patron of Martin's but not your show. I call that Patrons perogative, or maybe he didn't even know the other show existed, who knows, who cares.

Let's move on.  What I find more important and you mentioned, these girls aint getting any younger, and need to pay the bills. Well the age bracket of the fansis going the same way, they who, keep purchasing their products be it membership etc etc, so to be harmonius and not sarcastic to the dwindling consumers may be a good idea. The dynamics of organising a show like these I have always expected to be very difficult  and reading how Martin's panned out only confirms this.  You mentioned in an earlier post re Minka's rates. At the 2005 Fan Fair her polaroids were 200% more expensive than the other girls, but of all the crew I went with we still got a polaroid even though they were expensive, maybe they weren't and the other girls under charged but I don't think so. This shows to me the Big Boob girls have a solid though not huge Fan base, who will be loyal to the girls if they get a bit of respect back. Of course I know this will not happen in every case as there is indeed some f*wits out there.

Last but not least Chelsea & Summer you are all class.

[titties]

By his post he was a patron of the FV show, which he was commenting on, and where he would have spent his patron $$$ I expect. I don't think "the other show" was ever mentioned in the post. so yes he was a patron of Martin's but not your show. I call that Patrons perogative, or maybe he didn't even know the other show existed, who knows, who cares.

Let's move on.  What I find more important and you mentioned, these girls aint getting any younger, and need to pay the bills. Well the age bracket of the fansis going the same way, they who, keep purchasing their products be it membership etc etc, so to be harmonius and not sarcastic to the dwindling consumers may be a good idea. The dynamics of organising a show like these I have always expected to be very difficult  and reading how Martin's panned out only confirms this.  You mentioned in an earlier post re Minka's rates. At the 2005 Fan Fair her polaroids were 200% more expensive than the other girls, but of all the crew I went with we still got a polaroid even though they were expensive, maybe they weren't and the other girls under charged but I don't think so. This shows to me the Big Boob girls have a solid though not huge Fan base, who will be loyal to the girls if they get a bit of respect back. Of course I know this will not happen in every case as there is indeed some f*wits out there.

Last but not least Chelsea & Summer you are all class.

Thats nice that you feel that way about Chelsea and Summer. But I'm more proud of the girls who put on the party because they turned the tables around and made and  kept the profits for themselves for once. The Las Vegas Big Boob Invasion Party was a great success and I suspect the wave of the future for getting together with the big boob girls and fans. They liked being able to dance and get naked and party with the patrons who came from all over the world. The casino venues put to many restrictions on things.  BTW respect is something that is  earned and works both ways.

[zappfra]

Thanks for the reply. I'm all for who does all the work to organise these events gets well rewarded for it.

I'm guessing you have been in the business for awhile, and have seen the demand from Clubs for feature big bust dancers, the talk show circuit etc, the Boob Cruises etcs lose their appeal or get too costly, and then it moved onto the wide scope of the internet etc. In saying that though,I would hate to see the demise of no real interaction between the girls and fans, and we all relied just on the internet.

[titties]

Thanks for the reply. I'm all for who does all the work to organise these events gets well rewarded for it.

I'm guessing you have been in the business for awhile, and have seen the demand from Clubs for feature big bust dancers, the talk show circuit etc, the Boob Cruises etcs lose their appeal or get too costly, and then it moved onto the wide scope of the internet etc. In saying that though,I would hate to see the demise of no real interaction between the girls and fans, and we all relied just on the internet.

Well I think everyone still wants to interact too and there are ways of doing it successfully.  You can't expect someone to pay for airfare and then endure the flight, pay for their own hotel and expenses, pay for a booth space,pay for something sexy to wear, pay for an extra ticket to cover your assistant to load booth  in and out, etc and have no way of recouping the money they paid out. The girls that have spoken to me said they are tired of being cash cows. They like the idea of being able to do dances and take pictures with fans in a more party like venue. That way  everybody can have fun and the girls can make some money back to cover expenses. Any attempt at putting on another show should start with a phone call to Elanore at Universal entertainment. She knows what will work and what won't. She knows all of the girls and has been in the big boob business for 40 years.

 One more thing. to the guy who thought  that i worked at Mikey D's....  I was damn near killed in the line of duty trying to help my fellow man, spent over a year in the hospital and still have complications today. So I think I'm entitled to say this to you.... Go Fuck Yourself.

[zappfra]

You remind me of that bloke who (and rightly so) stood up for the dancers once on a Sally Jessy episode with the Big Boob girls when some of the crowd were calling them names such as pigs, just because their husbands enjoyed going to the clubs to watch the girls dance. Now that was a case of been horribly outnumbered and risking been killed in the line of duty.