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« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2011, 06:30:02 AM »
6, thank you very much, if nothing else I'm encouraging some thought out there, and that has been the main point of this exercise.  You cover a lot of ground, so I'll be scrolling down to check your post from time to time as I compose this.  Do know, however, that I actually sat here and applauded when you revealed that you're a physicist.  One of my oldest best friends is a retiring professor of physics and astronomy who founded the largest amateur rocketry club in the known Universe -- in fact, he just forwarded to me some magnificent Youtube footage of a rocket built by one Derek Deville carrying a camera over twenty miles up into the sky and successfully recording some remarkable images.  What old-school Randists can't seem to understand is how non-Randists like myself can actually love science, when from my perspective it is their own band of the political spectrum, once proudly technocratic, which has betrayed science.  But I digress.

We may as well start with Faith, because I find Rand to be far more pseudo-theological than she would ever own up to.  Faith is essential to everyone on some basic level -- we have faith, for example, that the sun will rise tomorrow morning.  All right, so a lot of evidence and "common sense" matched up with centuries of astronomy all assure us how and why this is so -- yet it is still ultimately an article of faith, if only because you never know when some Vogons are going to come along and destroy us to make way for some hyperdimensional bypass.  (Although if it's hyperdimensional, why would they even need -- Oh, never mind.)  But yeah, I take your point, as much as possible we should rely on that which can be proven objectively, and it is a chilling and queasy irony that Rand calls her philosophy Objectivism.  Yet a lot of this feels downright religious.  (A lot of it also feels downright sexual, but perhaps that can be taken up at a later time.)  I still think back to how what I call d'Anconia's "Sermon on the Monetary" recalls the tone and cadence of Christ's beatitudes, and for a book that very sneakily avoids specific mention of Christ, you are going to see some VERY blatant Christ-imagery very soon surrounding Rand's own secular Messiah, John Galt.  (Aslan's return at the end of "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" is downright nuanced by comparison.)

I think the religious analogy is apt, because it is as if Rand is appointing herself the St. Paul of a faith which might falter without her.  (Indeed, there is a case that Paul simply invented Christianity outright, surely enough grist for a whole other thread.)  This particular Apostle to the Gentiles is basically telling us "Lo, great men once walked among you, with names like Rockefeller and Carnegie and Edison and Ford, and these men showed you the Way, but you have lost the Way, you have regressed back to your pagan habits, and so it is I who must preach the fully orthodox dogma of the Way at such blistering length that you will now all follow it forever."  The presumption that people only need one good talkin'-to is more a tribute to one's own didactic ego than any proven social engineering.  (Hate the phrase "social engineering" as much as you please, but it's what we're all attempting all day long.)  The problem here, though, is that a thesis can indeed change, and even improve, the world -- but Rand's thesis, such as it is, is found supremely wanting in many respects, which I'll touch on once this is over.  She could have done a much better, and certainly more useful, job of this.

Rand keeps shooting herself in the foot insisting that Galt is her hero, and all because he can draw static electricity into a motor, a principle she insists upon quite a few times.  Well, you're the physicist, you tell me -- do YOU see an energy revolution eclipsing our current age of petroleum based on harnessing static electricity from out of the air?  I'm guessing the answer is No.  For all intents and purposes Rand's heroes are simply wizards -- which is fine, if you're J. K. Rowling and you're clear about that from the get-go.  But if Harry Potter launches into a sixty-page harangue insisting that the world can become a magical place if only everyone everywhere will spontaneously quit thinking like Muggles, there, you see, you are derailing even worse than any Taggart Transcontinental.

If Rand actually knew any science, and that is one gigantic If to overcome, she could write this in some Gernsbackian or Heinleinian mode which could make this book marginally forgivable.  A story like Heinlein's "The Roads Must Roll" is dated, even quaint, but it possesses the admirable spirit of at least TRYING to engineer a great project within the laws of a recognizable physical universe.  Frankly, if Rand was simply pro-nukes, she could easily be forgiven for being part of the great wave of optimism that once surrounded nuclear power.  But whereas Heinlein simply kept referring to a corporation called General Atomics and left it at that, Rand keeps insisting, no no no, it's not even the atomic principle but the man behind it that truly counts.  (Heinlein gamely tries to sound neo-Randist by mythologizing some guy named Shipstone in his novel Friday, but I'm not persuaded.)

And that is where I think everything breaks down for you.  For you, electricity can be fascinating in its own right, but Rand insists, no, this is only the fire stolen from the proverbial gods by great heroes like Franklin and Faraday and Maxwell and Edison, it is only the heroes that matter.  I've already touched upon how for Rand the world is a blank slate, where the only motive force is Man, and this is at odds with your own (truly!) scientific outlook which recognizes the dynamic flux already present in Nature as an objective reality unto itself.  Rand makes fun of religions of medicine men and miracle workers -- only to insist upon her own medicine men and miracle workers.  For her the Industrial Revolution springs more from an act of will than the potential of matter.

And because everything is all up to the wizards -- pardon me, the industrialists -- they must supervise and must never be regulated.  Yet they already ARE regulated -- by the physical laws of objective reality.  As for legal regulations, certainly, those can be capricious and counterproductive -- but at their best, they too recognize and respect the laws of physical reality, such as the needs for safety and repair.  But Rand stacks the decks so that the "looters" never care about safety or repair, and therefore all regulations are just gratuitously stupid.

By the way, I very nearly said out loud "Lord Dorwin!" 8)  (With his speech impediment, he would probably pronounce his own name "Dowwin" -- and I always felt a little sad that Asimov chose a name so close to "Darwin.")  Yes, humanity's planet of origin has become a mystery, and Lord Dorwin is considering the possibility that we all came from Arcturus (or "Awktuwuth," I suppose).  Yet he just sits back and does literary criticism, instead of actually GOING to Arcturus.  And that, I fear, is far more true of much of the far right than they will own up to.  To my eye, they care less about fact and more about faith.

I hope to get past a crucial turning point in the action this coming weekend.      
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Re: Atlas Shrank
« Reply #106 on: October 13, 2011, 08:10:59 AM »
I'm feeling good this morning.  How good?  Good enough to declare it an early (or simply a long) weekend and go ahead and whack away at the remaining 84 pages of this.

The People's State of Guatemala will not begrudge us so much as a thousand tons of steel.  Dagny feels pained as more reports of wrecks and discontinued routes keep piling up, and all the more pained as Mr. Thompson bugs her about Galt's whereabouts.  He asks her advice and she says "Start decontrolling."  "Huh?"  "Start lifting taxes and removing controls."  "Oh, no, no, no!  That's out of the question!"  "Out of whose question?"

(Quick aside: we have just now seen another author use what I have always called the Heinlein Huh.  All too often in Heinlein, and particularly in Stranger in a Strange Land, a character who is pretty obviously a mere mouthpiece for some facet of Heinlein's own mind will hold forth for several long paragraphs, then make sure to end the last paragraph with a little twist which is sure to shock the patient listener.  The poor naive listener is then obliged to reflexively grunt "Huh?" in befuddled bewilderment, and thus the Heinlein-proxy gets to hold forth once more for several long paragraphs.  I thought this was just Heinlein, but now I'm wondering if this too reveals the arch-conservative mind.)

Anyhow, Mr. Thompson confesses that he's trying to play "good cop" as opposed to various "bad cop" types (he somehow does not mention Stadler) who may want Galt dead.  A little later, Dagny is desperate to see Galt and tracks him down, only to have led Mr. Thompson and his gang to her.  Somehow Galt knows that he and Dagny have only half an hour to spare.  To have a quickie?  No, no such luck.  He tells her to act like she's against him, and to actually claim the $500,000 reward for finding him.

At this point the novel reminds me of, weirdly enough, a rather silly comedy movie called "Blankman."  Damon Wayans plays a geeky genius tinkerer who at one point invites TV journalist Robin Givens (my key interest in this movie, because pre-Tyson Robin Givens was HOT) down to his underground lair, where he has all kinds of goofy machines whirring and bubbling.  In an oddly similar way, Galt leads Dagny deeper into his little apartment to show a magnificent laboratory secretly funded by Midas Mulligan.  The goons -- albeit polite goons -- show up, and when they try to break into the laboratory it has vanished in darkness, somehow silently turning to rubble, and then they escort Galt out.

Galt gets holed up with an armed guard in a hotel, and Mr. Thompson tries to deal with him.  Galt tells him that he is open to a deal, but only with someone who can offer something of value, and Mr. Thompson can't.  Then comes a very telling slap against our democracy:

         "Because .. because we wanted to speak to you in the name of the country."
         "I don't recognize your right to speak in the name of the country."

Now here is a truly ugly sentiment.  Mr. Thompson is after all "Head of the State," Rand's way of dancing around the office of the Presidency.  Is Galt saying "The government has no legitimacy and never has"?  Or would he specify, in a way recalling the opening song to "All in the Family," that there has been no "real" President since Herbert Hoover?  Or ... is this a particularly personal slap?  Here it becomes all the more disquieting to imagine millions of Americans seeing Obama as Mr. Thompson, especially with all the grumbling that he's just a Muslim Kenyan and all that -- he's "Head of the State" and yet everyone just KNOWS that he has no business speaking for the country.

Being the author, Rand never presses Galt to explain this, and keeps barreling ahead.  What follows here is a very telling insight, at long last, into how much Galt wants -- but for that, I'll need to rest up.  Still, we've only seventy pages left to get through.

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Thompson (I'm finally sick of the "Mr." artifice) has to eventually give up on his first talk with Galt come page 1105, but oddly enough I think the best way to convey that is backwards, starting on 1104:

          " ... Why don't you just pretend to join us, then gain control and outsmart me?"
          "For the same reason that makes you offer it: because you'd win."
          "Huh?"  [Druul: Ahh, that Heinlein Huh!  Sorry.]
          "Because it's the attempt of your betters to beat you on your terms that has allowed your kind to get away with it for centuries ... Sure, I could pretend -- and I wouldn't save your economy or your system, nothing will save them now -- but I'd perish and what you'd won would be what you've always won in the past: a postponement, one more stay of execution, for another year -- or month -- bought at the price of whatever hope and effort might still be squeezed out of the best human remnants left around you, including me.  That's all you're after and that is the length of your range.  A month?  You'd settle for a week -- on the unchallenged absolute that there will always be another victim to find.  But you've found your last victim -- the one who refuses to play his historical part.  The game is up, brother."

Rand originally imagined this book as The Strike.  She was being coy.  (!!!!!)  This is The Revolt.

As ever, Rand argues passionately but within a universe entirely of her own imagining.  Who are the victims in her pageant of history?  Is J. P. Morgan a victim?  How about Standard Oil?  Check Exxon's stock lately, and then tell me if YOU would like to be so "victimized."  Yet this is the extremity of Galt's position.  For one thing, he keeps reminding Thompson that the State's only power over Galt is to threaten to kill him.  From page 1102:

          ... "Without me, you couldn't get out of this room, right now."
          Galt smiled.  "True."
          "You wouldn't be able to produce anything.  You could be left here to starve."
          "True."
          "Well, don't you see?"  The loudness of homey joviality came back into Mr. Thompson's voice, as if the hint given and recieved were now to be safely evaded by means of humor.  "What I've got to offer you is your life."
          "It's not yours to offer, Mr. Thompson," said Galt softly ...
          "Now," said Galt, "do you see what I mean when I said that a zero can't hold a mortgage over life?  It's I who'd have to grant you that kind of mortgage -- and I don't.  The removal of a threat is not a payment, the negotiation of a negative is not a reward, the withdrawl of your armed hoodlums is not an incentive, the offer not to murder me is not a value."
          "Who ... who's said anything about murdering you?"
          "Who's said anything about anything else?  If you weren't holding me here at the point of a gun, under threat of death, you wouldn't have a chance to speak to me at all.  And that is as much as your guns can accomplish.  I don't pay for the removal of threats.  I don't buy my life from anyone."
          "That's not true," said Mr. Thompson brightly.  "If you had a broken leg, you'd pay a doctor to set it."
          "Not if he was the one who broke it." ...

I have to wonder: do the elites somehow envy the human and civil rights movements?  Such envy may have been on Rand's mind when she thought Strike rather than Revolt.  Over the years, have they thought "Yes, yes, it was so brutal when the British beat up all those Indians simply trying to make salt, but golly, I feel put upon too, I feel brutalized too, isn't there some achingly romantic and noble way to convey MY plight, to declare ME the last and most important minority group?"  The above rings noble, all right -- but in service to a thoroughly ignoble agenda.  For here's the talk that led up to it:

          "Tell me," said Mr. Thompson, looking at him reflectively, "what is it you're after?"
          "I told you on the radio."
          "I don't get it.  You said that you're out for your own selfish interest -- and that, I understand.  But what can you possibly want in the future that you can't get right now, from us, handed down to you on a platter?  I thought you were an egoist -- and a practical man.  I offer you a blank check on anything you wish -- and you tell me that you don't want it.  Why?"
          "Because there are no funds behind your blank check."
          "What?"  [Druul: Well, at least it's not Huh.]
          "Because you have no value to offer me."
          "I can offer you anything you can ask.  Just name it."
          "You name it."
          "Well, you talked a lot about wealth.  If it's money that you want -- you couldn't make in three lifetimes what I can hand over to you in a minute, this minute, cash on the barrel.  Want a billion dollars -- a cool, neat billion dollars?"
          "Which I'll have to produce, for you to give me?"
          "No, I mean straight out of the public treasury, in fresh, new bills ... or ... or even in gold, if you prefer."
          "What will it buy me?"
          "Oh, look, when the country gets back on its feet -- "
          "When I put it back on its feet?"
          "Well, if what you want is to run things your own way, if it's power that you're after, I'll guarantee you that every man, woman and **09** in this country will obey your orders and do whatever you wish."
          "After I teach them to do it?"
          "If you want anything for your own gang  -- for all those men who've disappeared -- jobs, positions, authority, tax exemptions, any special favor at all -- just name it and they'll get it."
          "After I bring them back?"
          "Well, what on earth do you want?"
          "What on earth do I need you for?"

Of course, Thompson can only reply (all together now, one ... two ... three --) "Huh?"

By the way, can you now appreciate why I'm dropping the pointless and mocking "Mr." from Thompson's name?  For yes, Thompson still remains very much the clown and dunderhead and even the bully that Rand insists that he be, and yet for all that he STILL makes more sense that Galt.  Rand, through Galt, is being endlessly coy about what amounts to a Second American Revolution, one of the private sector not merely bargaining with the government but eclipsing it.  Rand, through Galt, can make as much fun of Thompson as she pleases as Thompson struggles to figure Galt out, but it's not a leap of intellect or philosophy that Thompson faces, it's that Galt and Rand have never been straightforward.  And by the way, that whole section so much earlier trying to dismiss Thompson in a thumbnail biography as some mere gray useless non-entity is pretty well disproven now.  In spite of herself Rand winds up making Thompson quite reasonable and sympathetic, even in the defense of utter brainlessness.

For Galt is essentially saying "I need no consumers.  I need no labor pool.  I need no thriving market within which I can continue to expand.  I need nothing that any sensible business makes sure to have.  In fact ... I don't even need America, if only because it disappoints me so much."  And had Rand been that forthright, then that would have been very revelatory indeed, not to mention prophetic.  But instead she wastes our time making Thompson seem foolish.  Fact is, for lack of anyone better that she offers, I'm rooting for him -- all the more because he's no villain, he is in fact a horrible negotiator.  For here's what came just before:

          "Okay, I'll tell you.  You want me to be the Economic Dictator?"
          "Yes!"
          "And you'll obey any order I give?"
          "Implicitly!"
          "Then start by abolishing all income taxes."
          "Oh, no!" screamed Mr. Thompson, leaping to his feet.  "We couldn't do that!  That's ... that's not the field of production.  That's the field of distribution.  How would we pay government employees?"
          "Fire your government employees."
          "Oh, no!  That's politics!  That's not economics!  You can't interfere with politics!  You can't have everything!"
          Galt crossed his legs on the hassock, stretching himself more comfortably in the brocaded armchair.  "Want to continue the discussion?  Or do you get the point?"

Oh yeah, Mr. Galt.  I think I finally get the point all right.  I truly, truly do.

However, even this breakdown of discussion was presaged back on page 1099:

          " ... You can't expect us to ditch the machinery of State.  We've got to preserve the system.  But we're willing to amend it.  We'll modify it any way you wish.  We're not stubborn, theoretical dogmatists -- we're flexible.  We'll do anything you say.  We'll give you a free hand.  We'll co-operate.  We'll compromise.  We'll split fifty-fifty.  We'll keep the sphere of politics and give you total control over the sphere of economics.  We'll turn the production of the country over to you, we'll make you a present of the entire economy.  You'll run it any way you wish, you'll give the orders, you'll issue the directives -- and you'll have the organized power of the State at your command to enforce your decisions.  We'll stand ready to obey you, all of us, from me on down.  In the field of production, we'll do whatever you say.  You'll be -- you'll be the Economic Dictator of the nation!"
          Galt burst out laughing ... "So that's your idea of a compromise, is it?"
          " ... I don't think you understand me.  I'm offering you Wesley Mouch's job ...Lead us to a peaceful, scientific, industrial age and to prosperity."
          "At the point of a gun?"

Well, at least we've finally settled what the role of that poorly-named Mouch fellow is.  By the way -- wow, Thompson is such a monstrous villain, huh, don't you think? ::)

There are millions of people who proclaim to love this book.  Gotta wonder.  Gotta wonder.

63 pages left to go.  More later.
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« Reply #107 on: October 13, 2011, 10:33:58 PM »
Showing developments by relaying them in reverse order?  What is this, Moffat's Doctor Who?   :P  Time for a bit of a scifi roundup before I get back to what you've said about Rand (which will also contain scifi references).

1) How do you remember all those details from the Foundation?  I'd almost forgotten about the guy's accent, nevermind being able to recall his name or what he was "studying".  One of the only reasons why I remember him in the first place is for the revelation that applying the "laws of common sense" to the total of everything he said "canceled itself out"--always got a kick out of that.

2) I recommend you read Adams' short story "Young Zaphod Plays It Safe."  It's a followup to the Hitchhiker series, and though it's best to have read all 5 books first, you can still appreciate it even if you've only experienced the first novel (in whatever medium).  It brings a new perspective to the Galactic bureaucracy and its policies that illuminates the Vogons' actions.  I don't think I can say any more without spoilers.

3) Heinlein.  I read SiaSL once years ago, but the memory's hazy.  I remember heavy amounts of eyerolling (on my part) over the seemingly-pretentious use of "grok" and how people didn't grok "grok" if they thought they grokked "grok"...or something, I just recall it being very tiresome.  Also somewhat eyerolled was the unerringly-insightful super-rich oldster guy with the super-attractive assistants/sexual partners (or something like that, I can't remember the full extent of their relationship).  Did Heinlein write some other story later, about people with a time machine that traveled "sideways" in time to alternate universes, eventually meeting the SiaSL ensemble?  I think I remember that, anyway; but point being, I never clued into any political leanings or messages of Heinlein's so it's interesting to hear you bring them up, because I missed them entirely (I'm just generally clueless like that--I enjoy a good adventure, and rarely consider "lessons" that we're supposed to learn...if they had a point, they'd spell it out for us at the end of the story, right? "Knowing is half the battle!").  I'd appreciate any elaboration on that, if you're so inclined.

4) Starting to get back to Rand, there's another amusing bit written by Adams in one of the Dirk Gently novels where for some reason someone mentions Isaac Newton to Dirk (I'm pretty sure it's to Dirk, though I might be mistaken).  I'm going to be paraphrasing, but the exchange goes something like:
"Ah yes, inventor of the catflap."
"What?  I was referring to the discovery of gravity."
"I suppose that too, but gravity was always there to be discovered by anyone who bothered to find it.  But the catflap didn't exist in any form until Newton conceived of, designed, and produced it, which is a far more significant contribution."
It's an outlook I do endorse somewhat, but more from the point of a physics student than anything else.  Though it's a bit of a mouthful, I'd much rather call Maxwell's Equations the "Fundamental Equations of Electromagnetic Dynamics" (or similar), for the simple reason that the latter actually tells me what the formulas are supposed to physically represent.  Calling them Maxwell's Equations just tells me that Maxwell formulated them--and while he certainly deserves props for that, such information is better relegated to biographies or history rather than a course whose primary purpose is to teach the actual principles of physics.  This brings me to...

5) Galt's motor.  I don't know how Rand has specifically described it (and your description is further back in the thread than I can scroll to), but at least it doesn't seem like Galt has discovered some heretofore unheard-of scientific principle; instead, he's presumably created a device that operates in a way that no one thought to configure before.  At least, that's what I'm assuming.  I'm wracking my brain over electricity in air, and I have a theory as to what Rand/Galt might have intended as to the motor's operation, so that the main problem is that she's using the wrong terminology (like how I felt Moffat addressed the Crack in his first season of Who).  The idea I've "fanwanked" (though I'm not actually a fan, I figure this term is still applicable since I'm jumping through some hoops to justify/explain the author's shortcomings for no benefit to myself) is that motor is somehow powered by ionized water molecules in air.  The atmosphere always has some percentage of water molecules suspended in it (humidity), and any sample of water molecules will have some percentage that's broken down into H+ ions and OH- ions (that's how pH can be determined).  So my guess is that somehow Galt's motor collects the positive and negative charges and uses then to generate power.  Among the difficulties with this are: on a microscopic level, even "still" air is by no means "static"; just because ions have a polarized charge doesn't mean they'll enable a flow of "electricity" when captured/stored/interacting inside a container without some effort; getting water (and the minute percentage of ionized water molecules) out of the atmosphere is tough and requires a fair bit of energy input; the energy provided by the ions would probably not exceed the energy required to extract them from the air and assemble them in an electricity-producing configuration or process (though I haven't crunched any actual numbers--but this is a crucial sticking point for an actual motor); and the "fuel supply" of atmospheric water ions is not unlimited, not to mention that depleting the humidity levels can certainly be harmful to humans and other lifeforms.  Though Rand could be criticized for not knowing her science enough to realize this motor wouldn't work, I think that really the only fault is her insistence on using known scientific terminology here because Galt's motor seems like it's meant to be cousin to the Dilithium-powered warp drive or 1.21-gigawatt flux capacitor.  Among the differences are that the latter examples were purposely vague on the specific scientific principles involved (the flux of what is being stored in that capacitor?); the only part that mattered was the invention of this device that in some hand-wavy way exploited those unspecified principles.  The other difference is that the latter two did what they needed to do with a quantifiable (though not necessarily explained) fuel source.  I'm pretty sure there's nothing that could be described as dilithium, and we're not going to find a way to power fusion processes with garbage (not in the next 4 years, and probably not ever).  So while the latter engines are really no more plausible than Galt's motor, at least they operate in a way identifiable with real motors: magic go-juice enters here, engine magic happens, result is forward motion.  Galt's motor would easily fit this mold if Rand had chosen less-specific descriptions for it.  Anyway, the reason why I bring this up in reference to Dirk Gently is because if Rand is idolizing Galt for inventing a revolutionary new motor...well, I don't have much of a problem with that (leaving aside his politics, philosophies, etc), because innovative invention is applause-worthy.  But if she's trying to also elevate him to the point where he's creating new physical laws...that's straight-up fantasy, and my eyes will roll right out of my skull.  From what you've said, the latter may well be the case since she seems to have structured the world within the novel to fit some made-up reality of her own design, but since I haven't read the actual parts of the book about Galt's motor, I'll leave that to your interpretation.

Anyway, even giving some massive benefits of the doubt in point 5 (which I wouldn't have to do if Rand was just a better writer), there's still the sticking point that just because Galt invented something great, doesn't mean he has the answers to all other problems in all other areas of life.  Da Vinci and Edison (and Homer Simpson in that line) invented some remarkable things, but that one facet of their capabilities doesn't mean their politics or philosophies or notions of social order would've made the world a utopian paradise.  Heck, I could reference Newton and gravity and the catflap (and throw calculus in there): despite all that, he still firmly believed in alchemy and throughout his life continued to try to prove that those "formulas" worked.

One last thing I'll mention, in reference to the "slap" at the legitimacy of Thompson's presidency.  To be fair, I (and I'm sure many others) was so dissatisfied with Dubya that I didn't consider him to be speaking for me.  Certainly that must be true these days for those who feel that way about Obama, but I wanted to point out that it's not necessarily unique to one group of people or even a particular era...though it is needlessly polarizing.
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« Reply #108 on: October 14, 2011, 02:36:52 PM »
Dang, 6, sorting out this novel over the course of 13+ months is itself a bit of an assignment without taking on too much else in the same thread (however humorous it may be), but I'll take a stab at three topics:

1. Heinlein.  I may as well tell you that you're not going to get much too much undiluted insight into Heinlein based on Stranger all by itself -- especially if you take Stranger at all seriously, which I think too many people do.  I have a copy of the original unedited version of it, and while both longer and not as good (the editing really does improve it), it gives me all the more insight into how Heinlein undoubtedly meant it as a rather whimsical fable, weaving a tale purely for the fun of poking at religion.  Sadly, some take it at face value, bemoaning "Oh, no, he's turned hippie!" -- which makes no sense, not if you follow the enduring hard-science tone of later works like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Friday -- and even worse, some actual hippies tried to create their own Church of All Worlds.  Yet all his life, from his short stories (I mentioned "The Roads Must Roll" -- and by the way, the mechanical term "waldo" comes from a Heinlein short story of that name) and juvenile novels (I recommend Have Space Suit Will Travel and even his technical assistance to an old but sturdy movie called "Destination Moon"), Heinlein was the go-to technocrat of American SF -- and that's all I mean by using him as a reference point for critiquing Shrugged.  Rand and Heinlein were each in their own way arch-conservatives, but Rand loved some romantic ideal of industry whereas Heinlein always cared intensely about the details of science, and that's where Rand falls short of Heinlein.  Rand can call herself the most fervent cheerleader of technocracy, but Heinlein was the quarterback.

2. About the motor.  A device that could extract hydrogen from the air would be indeed be a fabulous thing.  The prolific post-Heinleinian (i.e. hard-science) Ben Bova even wrote a novel, The Green Trap, about such a capability -- although in the form of a cyanobacterium rather than a motor.  Indeed, inquiry into a hydrogen economy can be traced back to a very old speech by a scientist named Haldane -- and, yes, I appreciate hydrogen as being only one aspect of the process of hydrolysis you're talking about.

I would actually enjoy assuming such a thing about Rand -- there's already enough so wrong with her that I could be, and can be, gracious about whatever she gets right.  Case in point: earlier in this critique I speculated that Rand in her own vague would-be-romantic way was trying to imagine the motion of a maglev train.  The problem is that in nearly 1200 pages she has more than ample opportunity to insert so much as one word specifying the process you mention, and she never does.  Again and again the motor is simply described as plucking and using static electricity.  That's it.  That's all.  No water, no ions, no fuels, none of that.  One passage I glossed over in the Big Harangue was Galt actually proclaiming that he had captured the lightning itself.  But as I understand it, standard electricity is already sufficient "lightning capturing" unto our day -- Edison beat Galt to it, ages ago.

And I would love to let Rand off the hook for this -- except that THIS IS NOT A SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL, even as some aspects of it strive to be science-fictional, and Rand most certainly did not see herself as a science fiction writer.  (It is in a unique and funny way an ANTI-science fiction novel, a tale of innovations being kept from society rather than contributing to it.)  Rand gives us the motor for its own sake, to brag about the principle of its operation regardless of whether or not it ever actually gets used for anything -- and THAT is where we part company with dilithium or the flux capacitor, because Rand really doesn't want to go anywhere (or anywhen), she chooses to concentrate solely on the inventions themselves.  Rand was always stridently clear that this was first and last a philosophical manifesto for America and the world to live by.  The claim is made repeatedly that Galt's PHILOSOPHY, a philosophy of inviolable absolutes, led him to the secret of being able to "capture lightning."  Heck, I might even go easy on Rand if she mentioned Tesla in passing, and then I could have some pity on her, I could think "Ahh, she's one of those Tesla superfans, that's where she derailed."  But she's only saying "This is how we should live" -- and so it becomes fair for me to say "But the motor which allegedly derives directly from your philosophy does not work."

3. About the slap.  Galt is supposed to be the supreme and ultimate and perfect mouthpiece for Rand's philosophy.  As such, he is barely a proper individual character in his own right -- and it shows, he simply feels so surreal and abstract as to be downright ghostly.  So when he makes his crack about Thompson not representing the people, I do not take him at all as some quirky individual (like Rand's all too rare character Fred Kinnan, who will be coming back) giving some idle opinion, as you or I might about Dubya or Obama or whoever.  (Please also notice that Thompson specifically said "we" and not just "I.")  Read the discussion that just occurred -- Galt essentially wants to scuttle the ship of state.  Within that context, as the mouthpiece of Rand's Objectivism, I am seriously obliged to wonder if all of democracy is getting slammed -- all the more because Judge Narragansett will get to do something truly radical at the very end of this novel.

As for light reading, no doubt I'm due for it some day, but none on the immediate horizon, sad to say.

I shall return.

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By the way, I rather thought my going over the pages backwards was my tribute to Harold Pinter. ;)

But to continue: after Galt and Thompson's first talk, there's a lot more of the usual snapping and screaming and overall hand-wringing among Rand's usual cast of horrids, with an interesting little flourish of personality from my man Fred Kinnan.  The press promises a John Galt Plan which of course Galt is all too far from agreeing to, and we get apocalyptic reports from Wesley Mouch like "California's blown to pieces."  Now here's an interesting little bit of Mad Maxery: "'There's armed fighting all over the state, between a "People's Party," led by Ma Chalmers and her soybean cult of Orient-admirers -- and something called "Back to God," led by some former oil-field owners.'"  I give Rand this much credit: she was not one to suffer theocrats, not even American ones.  Still: "soybean cult"?  In any event, Thompson turns to Dagny for advice on how to deal with Galt:

          "What do you make of it?  Can you figure him out?"
          "He's an arrogant egoist," she said.  "He's an ambitious adventurer.  He's a man of unlimited audacity who's playing for the biggest stakes in the world." ...
          "The biggest stakes in the world, Miss Taggart?" Mr. Thompson was asking her anxiously.  "What is it?  What does he want?"
          "Reality.  This earth."
          "I don't know quite what you mean ... "

          Thompson, I'm with you there; if Rand and her book's fans wanted a Second American Revolution, they could have bloody well said so outright by now, instead of my having to piece it together like this after over 1100 friggin' pages.  Thompson persists:

          " ... Do you think he will ever surrender?"
          The needle within her wavered for a moment, burning its oscillating way between two courses: should she say that he would not, and see them kill him? -- should she say that he would, and see them hold onto their power till they destroyed the world?
          "He will," she said firmly.  "He'll give in, if you treat him right.  He's too ambitious to refuse power.  Don't let him escape, but don't threaten him -- or harm him.  Fear won't work.  He's impervious to fear."
          "But what if ... I mean, with the way things are collapsing ... what if he holds out too long?"
          "He won't.  He's too practical for that.  By the way, are you letting him learn any news about the state of the country?"
          "Why ... no."
          "I would suggest that you let him have copies of your confidential reports.  He'll see that it won't be long now."
          "That's a good idea!  A very good idea! ... "

Back in her apartment, Dagny notices a note slipped under her door, reading:

          Dagny:
               Sit tight.  Watch them.  When he'll need our help, call me at OR 6-5693.
                                    F.

So, what does Galt think of the reports?  Give me another while and I'll tell you.  57 pages to go.

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Speaking of 57, it occurs to me that 1957 was perhaps an ideal time for Rand to dump this into the American subconscious.  (You have to remember, she was working on this since 1945.)  On the one hand, people were rightly scared of World War Three and the Sputnik launch was just on the horizon, while back home we were worrying about juvenile delinquency and such.  So people were seriously wondering what was to become of Western civilization.  At exactly the same time, though, people were chafing under all the rigorous conformity, they were itching to break free.  Rand satisfies both desires at once, by offering a relatively easy and heroic rejuvenation of our civilization (she can play up the inner torment all she wants, but a strike is still much easier than participating in, say, a Civil War) and at the same time playing her heroes up as devil-may-care mavericks defiant and even contemptuous of social convention.  When in "Mad Men" Bert Cooper (played by the ever great Robert Morse) remarks to Don Draper that Ayn Rand would have drooled over him, I have to wonder, because the "Mad Men" ideal is to succeed smoothly and effortlessly while not feeling bound by convention.  I often wonder if certain manifestos, especially the really bad ones, need a specific window of historic time to make their biggest impact, and the more I think on it, the more Rand needed 1957.

Anyway ... Thompson sees Galt again, who is of course unimpressed by the reports, and for some reason Thompson has James with him and James launches into "You don't have a monopoly on truth!" and other such rhetoric.  "There was something wrong in Taggart's manner -- thought Mr. Thompson, frowning -- some odd, too personal resentment, as if it were not a political issue that he had come here to solve."  Indeed, James's motivation seems to come down to "I'm the big man, I'm the hero, me me me, I'm tired of being overshadowed by my sister," something like that.  Anyhow, Galt blows off James's appeal to conscience.  Next comes Chick Morrison, making appeals for pity.  "Did they feel any pity for Hank Rearden?" Galt asks, and that's that.  Dr. Floyd Ferris comes in, saying that the collapse of America will be Galt's personal moral responsibility, and of course this has no leverage with him.  Finally, Thompson asks who Galt would like to see, and he specifies Dr. Robert Stadler.

As ever, Rand's would-be clowns are in fact making sense, the true nonsense being absolutely everything being all up to only John Galt.  Before Galt brought up Rearden, Morrison showed him a plea from ten thousand schoolchildren, a plea from a home for the crippled, a petition from ministers of "two hundred different faiths" and an appeal from "the mothers of the country."  Galt read none of them, and then Morrison argued:

          " ... They may be weak, helpless, blind, ignorant.  But you, who are so intelligent and strong, can't you take pity on them?  Can't you help them?"
          "By dropping my intelligence and following their blindness?"
          "They may be wrong, but they don't know any better!"
          "But I, who do, should obey them?"

Yes, it's this tiresome, this "Embrace your inner Social Darwinist" pitch.  I've bumped up against this before.  Being good to people would be a surrender of standards.  Funny, I thought it WAS a standard.

The Stadler business gets a bit involved, so I'll take another break now.

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Two new thoughts, one about the show "Frasier" and another about space activism.  On "Frasier" it was quite sweet that Niles Crane, still married to the invisible Maris, had a major crush on Daphne Moon.  So it hurts all the more for me to read a scene, indeed their very last scene together, between Eddie Willers and Dagny, knowing that "Dagny" sounds so much like "Daphne" in my head and also knowing that Eddie has probably stroked off whole buckets' worth yearning after Dagny.  Eddie resolves to go out to San Francisco to try to keep the railroad going himself, as Dagny is stuck in New York.  They discuss their business, and then:

          He started to go, but stopped, turned to her and asked, his voice low, but steady, neither as plea or despair, but as a last gesture of conscientious clarity to close a long ledger.  "Dagny ... did you know ... how I felt about you?"
          "Yes," she said softly, realizing in this moment that she had known it wordlessly.  "I knew it."
          "Good-bye, Dagny."

And th-th-th-that's all, folks -- and I still wish Eddie and Cherryl Brooks could have hooked up.  As for space activism: I would attend events where people were basically playing advocate for NASA, trying to drum up unconditional public support for NASA no matter what, and I began to pick up a certain attitude, one that went "Yes, much of the populace is ignorant, but if we can still manage to shake them down for their tax dollars anyway, we can still squeeze out ever cooler space missions."  On one level I could agree with such an attitude, because if I do say so myself common attitudes towards science are downright medieval, and I could even see how they would figure that NASA was the only game worth playing -- but still I would find myself yearning for a better arrangement, one in which Americans could genuinely get behind space exploration and not just sort of wake up with it like the ugly girl after the party, the night and the hangover, as well as far more flexibility than just rubber-stamping NASA.  I think of all this because it's about the most resonant analogy I can drum up for Stadler.  Stadler is called in to visit Galt and immediately launches into a tirade while Galt utters not one syllable:

         "I didn't bring you to this!" he cried.  "I didn't mean to!  I couldn't help it!  It's not what I intended! ... John!  I'm not to blame for it!  I'm not!  I never had a chance against them!  They own the world!  They left me no place in it! ... What's reason to them?  What's science?  You don't know how deadly they are!  You don't understand them!  They don't think!  They're mindless animals moved by irrational feelings -- by their greedy, grasping, blind, uncontrollable feelings!  They seize whatever they want, that's all they know: that they want it, regardless of cause, effect or logic -- they want it, the bloody, grubbing pigs! ... What did you want me to do?  Spend my life begging for jobs?  Begging my inferiors for funds and endowments?  Did you want my work to depend on the mercy of the ruffians who have a knack for making money?  I had no time to compete with them with money or markets or any of their miserable material pursuits!  Was that your idea of justice -- that they should spend their money on liquor, yachts, and women, while the priceless hours of my life were wasted for lack of scientific equipment?  Persuasion?  How could I persuade them?  What language could I speak to men who don't think?  ... You don't know how lonely I was, how starved for some spark of intelligence! ...  "

I'm already condensing this, and it keeps going on more or less like this until --

          "Don't look at me, God damn you!  I'm not afraid of you any longer!  Do you hear me?  I am not afraid!  Who are you to blame me, you miserable failure?  Here's where your road has brought you!  Here you are, caught, helpless, under guard, to be killed by those brutes at any moment -- and you dare to accuse me of being impractical!  Oh yes, you're going to be killed!  You won't win!  You can't be allowed to win!  You are the man who has to be destroyed!"
          Dr. Stadler's gasp was a muffled scream, as if the immobility of the figure on the window sill had served as a silent reflector and had suddenly made him see the full meaning of his own words.
          "No!" moaned Dr. Stadler, moving his head from side to side, to escape the unmoving green eyes.  "No! ... No! ... No!"
          Galt's voice had the same unbending austerity as his eyes: "You have said everything I wanted to say to you."
          Dr. Stadler banged his fists against the door; when it was opened, he ran out of the room.

Can I forgive Rand a little for this?  For she does not seem to be pro-nukes, and she wrote this just before the Space Race and certain military developments would give birth to microcomputers and the Internet.  From her standpoint in 1957, perhaps science helped along by government could be a disillusioning thing.  The problem being -- why can't her modern followers bother to update their premises?

This chapter -- which, by the way, is titled "The Egoist" -- is six pages from ending.  I'll do that tomorrow. 
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« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2011, 10:59:32 PM »
In BEA time, it's already tomorrow.

As this chapter called "The Egoist" concludes, all attempts to talk with Galt have finally been abandoned.  Chick Morrison comes in and politely orders him to get dressed and co-operate.  "Don't make any false moves" says a muscular guy poking an unseen gun into Galt's ribs.  "I never do" says Galt.  Galt is led down into a truly surreal banquet where he is guest of honor even as the unidentified goon continues to stand right beside him.  While the event is first announced on radio, we finally see television being brought in as well.  An announcer declares this to be the inauguration of the "John Galt Plan for Peace, Prosperity and Profit!"  He then properly introduces us to faces old and new: industrialist Horace Busby Mowen, General of the Army Whittington S. Thorpe, Majority Leader of the National Legislature Lucian Phelps, Mr. Wesley Mouch, Mr. Thompson, and then John Galt.  The camera blurs past "Mr. Galt's personal secretary" (the goon) to Clarence "Chick" Morrison and an Admiral Homer Dawley.  By the way, between a general getting called "Spud" at the Project X demonstration and the rather dopey names given here, despite her claiming that the state bears some importance for defense of the land, I really sense a poor opinion of Rand about the military, whom she sees as working in lockstep with all these crypto-communist clowns.  Anyhow, the banquet proceeds to lavish praise on Galt, and Dagny thinks --

          This -- thought Dagny, with a sickened amusement -- was the spectacle of the sincerity of the dishonest.  The most fraudulent part of the fraud was that they meant it.  They were offering Galt the best that their view of existence could offer, they were trying to tempt him with that which was their dream of life's highest fulfillment: this spread of mindless adulation, the unreality of this enormous pretense -- approval without standards, tribute without content, honor without causes, admiration without reasons, love without a code of values.

The pretense goes on:

          "The John Galt Plan," Wesley Mouch was saying, "will reconcile all conflicts.  It will protect the property of the rich and give a greater share to the poor.  It will cut down the burden of your taxes and provide you with more government benefits.  It will lower prices and raise wages.  It will give more freedom to the individual and strengthen the bonds of collective obligations.  It will combine the efficiency of free enterprise with the generosity of a planned economy."

I give Rand credit here, for neatly summing up here much of the tightrope walk of modern politics.  The "nobody" that is Thompson introduces Galt quite eloquently -- whereupon Galt neatly exposes the goon's gun for the world to see and declares "Get the hell out of my way!"

So that is the chapter "The Egoist" -- but I'm going to gallop ahead into the next-to-last chapter anyway.  Just not right this minute.

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The next-to-last (penultimate?) chapter is called "The Generator," but before we are treated to Galt hitting rock bottom and bouncing back to salvation we are first obliged to witness the spectacular demise of Dr. Robert Stadler.  Would that he or James Taggart made any persuasive sense as characters, because Rand really enjoys dragging them through some sort of damnation via shock of clear self-realization.  We snicker about Oedipus today, but the man drove spikes through his eyes upon learning he had **84** with his mother, hardly a happy pervert he, and Rand was striving for Oedipus-like drama with these guys.  You may decide if she succeeded.

Turns out that just as "Get the hell out of my way!" goes out over the radio, Stadler has already been driving four days straight to reach the prairies of Iowa.  He fled for his life soon after his freakout:

          The motive directing his hands and feet was four days behind him.  It was the face of the man on the window sill, and the faces he had confronted when he had escaped from that room.  He had cried to them that he could not deal with Galt and neither could they, that Galt would destroy them all, unless they destroyed him first.  "Don't get smart, Professor," Mr. Thompson had answered coldly.  "You've done an awful lot of yelling about hating his guts, but when it comes to action, you haven't helped us at all.  I don't know which side you're on.  If he doesn't give in to us peaceably, we might have to resort to pressure -- such as hostages whom he wouldn't want to see hurt -- and you're first on the list, Professor."  "I?" he had screamed, shaking with terror and with bitterly desperate laughter.  "I?  But he damns me more than anyone on earth!"  "How do I know?" Mr. Thompson had answered.  I hear that you used to be his teacher.  And, don't forget, you're the only one he asked for."

To my mind Thompson is only scary to the extent that irrational power is scary, and it will be interesting to check how Dagny's faring.  In any event, Stadler is thinking "I'll show them!" over and over, surely the famous last words of too many a classic Mad Scientist.  He finally arrives at the site of Project X, now known as Harmony City.  He bosses everyone with a flurry of exclamation points, repeating "I'm Dr. Robert Stadler!' so emphatically that it only slowly dawns on him that some sort of "Friends of the People" movement has seized control of Project X.  He confronts an evident leader, a Cuffy Meigs:

          "I invented it!  I created it!  I made it possible!"
          "You did?  Well, many thanks, Doc.  Many thanks, but we don't need you any longer.  We've got our own mechanics."
          "Have you any idea what I had to know in order to make it possible? ... Then how dare you think that you can own it?  How dare you come here?  What claim do you have to it?"
          Meigs patted his holster.  "This."
          "Listen, you **93** lout!" cried Dr. Stadler.  "Do you know what you're playing with?"
          "Don't you talk to me like that, you old fool!  Who are you to talk to me like that?  I can break your neck with my bare hands!  Don't you know who I am?"
          "You're a scared thug way out of his depth!"
          "Oh, I am, am I?  I'm the Boss!  I'm the Boss and I'm not going to be stopped by an old scarecrow like you!  Get out of here!"

Gripping debate, huh?  It goes on like this, with Meigs playfully yanking a lever here or there just to mess with Stadler's head, when the whole thing spontaneously explodes:

          ... Within the circle of a radius of a hundred miles, enclosing parts of four states, telegraph poles fell like matchsticks, farmhouses collapsed into chips, city buildings went down as if slashed and minced ...
          On the site of what had once been Project X, nothing remained alive among the ruins -- except, for some endless minutes longer, a huddle of torn flesh and screaming pain that had once been a great mind.

Never be fooled by Rand being an antitheist.  She believes in damnation.

So much for Project X.  We are soon about to meet Project F -- and in 35 pages, the end of the novel.      
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« Reply #110 on: October 17, 2011, 11:10:40 AM »
You know what, I may regret this decision later today, but in honor of pedonbio's hopefully imminent de-bannination, I'm not going to wait for another weekend, and instead will keep pushing ahead with this.

1949, 1957, 1962.  What do these years have in common?  All three are years that major novels came out, each posing a form of torture by which to reshape, for all intents and purposes, a person's soul.  1949 saw George Orwell's 1984 and the chilling knowledge that Winston Smith dreaded rats more than anything else on earth.  1957 saw Shrugged, and then 1962 saw Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange and its "Ludovico treatment" memorably portrayed in the 1973 movie by Kubrick.  (1975 would of course see the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with its memorable electroshock sequence, but there they don't seem terribly interested in recasting McMurphy's personality, they seem to just want him punished.)  I think it says something about this novel that what comes across quite powerfully elsewhere smacks of hack villainy, and I am left to wonder if they would tie Galt to a railroad track while twirling their black wax mustaches in the name of some sort of symbolic irony.

By the way, another word.  Playing around with Youtube recently, I notice that something called LearnLiberty has been really pushing little video mini-seminars in Libertarian ideals, and just this morning I caught someone named Jennifer Burns extolling the virtues of Rand.  Evidently Rand's father's chemist shop, which he had worked to build his whole life, got overrun and appropriated by the Bolsheviks and it made an impression upon her for HER whole life.  This explains a lot -- but it doesn't explain enough.  For one thing, it doesn't explain how this novel and all its readers have gotten away with "hiding" in plain sight this novel's redrafting of the American Constitution.

By means of clunky flashback, with Dagny somehow the "fly on the wall" witness, we learn that the banquet spontaneously broke up.  Galt gets hustled away, Dr. Ferris shouts contemptuously about the very idea of "peaceful persuasion," and Chick Morrison resigns, presumably fleeing to a well-stocked hideout in Tennessee.  Wesley Mouch moans "He ... has ... to ... save ... us" and Ferris is eager to push the usefulness of something suspiciously called a Ferris Persuader.  A put-upon Thompson gives the go-ahead, and Dagny senses that these nimcompoops don't even really want to be saved anymore, they know Galt won't do it, so they can at least destroy him.  She slips away and calls OR 6-5693:

          "They are now planning to force him to give in."  She kept her voice to the tone of a factual report.  "They intend to torture him.  They have some machine called the Ferris Persuader, in an isolated unit on the grounds of the State Science Institute.  It's in New Hampshire.  They mentioned flying.  They mentioned that they would have him on the radio within three hours."

Dagny goes off to rendezvous with "Frisco" in forty minutes, but not before she learns that the Project X explosion managed to destroy the Taggart Bridge.  She tells the man on the phone to give a further report to her -- but she too has finally said goodbye to it all, like all the other strikers.  She finds Francisco, she says "I swear -- by my life and my love of it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."  He smiles, takes her arm, and they go.

We cut to Galt hooked up to the electrical torture device, the Persuader.  It sounds a little like what Rambo was hooked up to in Vietnam.  Dr. Ferris is in charge:

          "Get this straight," said Dr. Ferris, addressing him for the first time.  "We want you to take full power over the economy of the country.  We want you to become a dictator.  We want you to rule.  Understand?  We want you to give orders and to figure out the right orders to give.  What we want, we mean to get.  Speeches, logic, arguments or passive obedience won't save you now.  We want ideas -- or else ... "

Is this a ludicrous situation or what?  Yet this is the fulcrum upon which this entire novel rests.  Have you any idea how I would love a major publishing house to strap me down and demand "We want ideas -- or else"?  Heck, even Dr. Lizardo electrocuting Buckaroo Banzai was more gripping than this.  Ferris gives orders, Galt's body strains in agony.  Taggart yells "You're too easy on him!"  There's a long paragraph -- you can read it yourself -- commenting how incongruous it is that Galt has the body of some sort of Greek god.  Ferris orders "The mixed series!" and for a moment they worry that they may actually be close to stopping Galt's heart:

          Wesley Mouch was first to break.  "Oh God, Floyd!" he screamed.  "Don't kill him!  Don't dare kill him!  If he dies, we die!"
          "He won't," snarled Ferris.  "He'll wish he did, but he won't!  The machine won't let him!  It's mathematically computed!  it's safe!"
          "Oh, isn't it enough?  He'll obey us now!  I'm sure he'll obey!"
          "No!  It's not enough!  I don't want him to obey!  I want him to believe!  To accept!  To want to accept!  We've got to make him work for us voluntarily!"

It goes on like this some more, and then "The silence was like a stunning blow ... "  What silence?  Glad you asked --

          "The generator's on the blink," said the mechanic helplessly.
          "What's the matter with it?"
          "I don't know."
          "Well, find out and fix it!"
          The man was not a trained electrician; he had been chosen, not for his knowledge, but for his uncritical capacity for pushing any buttons ...

So everyone screams at each other awhile, until --

          "It's the vibrator that's out of order," said a voice behind them; they whirled around; Galt was struggling for breath, but he was speaking in the brusque, competent tone of an engineer.  "Take it out and pry off the aluminum cover.  You'll find a pair of contacts fused together.  Force them apart, take a small file and clean up the pitted surfaces.  Then replace the cover, plug it back into the machine -- and your generator will work."
          There was a long moment of total silence.
          The mechanic was staring at Galt; he was holding Galt's glance -- and even he was able to recognize the sparkle in the dark green eyes: it was a sparkle of contemptuous mockery.
          He made a step back.  In the incoherent dimness of his consciousness, in some wordless, shapeless, unintelligible manner, even he suddenly grasped the meaning of what was occurring in that cellar.
          He looked at Galt -- he looked at the three men -- he looked at the machine.  he shuddered, he dropped his pliers and ran out of the room.
          Galt burst out laughing.
          The three men were backing slowly away from the machine.  They were struggling not to allow themselves to understand what the mechanic had understood.

Perhaps the mechanic understood how weird it was that a State Science Institute would not have an emergency generator, in which case Galt would be screwed.  But sit back a little to take this all in.  There's Galt -- suggestive of German Gott -- naked and spread-eagled, the sins of global liberalism being heaped upon his body, and he can still be bothered to fix the very generator that shocks him.  I gave this book to one girlfriend far more receptive to it than I, and even she had to laugh at the blatant Christ-imagery that this antitheist author had hit upon.

Christ said "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."   For Galt it's simply "They know not HOW they do."  It's the carpenter's son reprimanding them for making a shoddy cross.

As if on cue, it is now time for James Taggart to go mad:

          "Jim!" cried Mouch suddenly, terrified by something in Taggart's face.  "We can't afford to kill him!  You know it!"
          "I don't care!  I want to break him!  I want to hear him scream!  I want -- "
          And then it was Taggart who screamed ...
          He was suddenly seeing the motive that had directed all the actions of his life.  It was not his incommunicable soul or his love for others of his social duty or any of the fraudulent sounds by which he had maintained his self-esteem; it was the lust to destroy whatever was living, for the sake of whatever was not.  It was the urge to defy reality by the destruction of every living value, for the sake of proving to himself that he could exist in defiance of reality and would never have to be bound by any solid, immutable facts ... he knew he had never wanted to survive, he knew that it was Galt's greatness he had wanted to torture and destroy ... he was seeing his face as the face of a killer whom all men should rightfully loathe, who destroyed values for being values, who killed in order not to discover his own irredeemable evil.

Get all that?  I can appreciate that Rand was traumatized by Bolshevism, but I'm not sure that trauma is the best foundation for philosophy, let alone off-the-cuff psychoanalyzing.  Yet again, I have to ask the question that has hounded me from the beginning: forget John Galt -- who is James Taggart?  Who is he supposed to remind me of?

Oh, hang it all.  You've got me, Ayn.  I confess, that's me all over.  All I want is to torture and destroy the greatness of Dennis Kozlowski, the greatness of Ken Lay, the greatness of Bernie Madoff, the greatness of Tony Hayward.  What other motivation in all the world can I possibly have?  Wow, it's good you cleared that up for me.

Taggart goes nearly catatonic, and Mouch and Ferris drag him away:

          They pushed Taggart into their car, parked by the trees at the **103**.  "We'll be back," said Ferris to no one in particular, to the trees and the darkness of the sky.
          For the moment, their only certainty was that they had to escape from that cellar -- the cellar where the living generator was left tied by the side of the dead one.

This whole chapter has in fact been called "The Generator."  Coming up: the last chapter, "In the Name of the Best Within Us," in which Dagny gets to shoot someone.  As if I ever doubted she could.

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Back in my college role-playing game days, our team was led by a guy who was presumably crazy and had no fear of death, and as they proceeded to extend their adventures in story form there came one scene in which they penetrated the heart of the Galactic Empire and confronted one armed guard who was automatically reduced to pipsqueak cowardice at the prospect of actually getting killed.  This was of course a shameless claim on their part, that a guard so armed and so trained for so high a responsibility would be such an obliging wuss, but these were my friends and so I groaned but I obliged them.

Rand ... eh, Rand, not so much.

To be a little fair, the guard has to deal with conflicting authorities.  He has been ordered by Dr. Ferris, but Dagny claims to be sent by Mr. Thompson.  However, the guard takes so long being tormented over what to do that Dagny simply shoots him.  Yet again, Rand doesn't seem to like guards or soldiers.

She then quickly teams up with Danneskjold, d'Anconia, and Rearden.  With Ellis Wyatt awaiting elsewhere with a plane, you can forget about Ocean's Eleven, because now we have Galt's Five.  They lie smoothly and have protracted run-ins with more dopey guards, and then --

          The guards were drawing slowly to the center of the room, fighting an invisible battle in the fog of their minds, disarmed by a sense of unreality in the presence of the legendary figures they had never expected to see, feeling almost as if they were ordered to fire at ghosts.
          "Drop your guns," said Rearden.  "You don't know why you're here.  We do.  You don't know who your prisoner is.  We do.  You don't know why your bosses want you to guard him.  We know why we want to get him out.  You don't know the purpose of your fight.  We know the purpose of ours.  If you die, you won't know what you're dying for.  If we do, we will."

There's a scuffle, and then --

          "Who are you?" screamed some terror-blinded voice.
          "Ragnar Danneskjold."
          Three sounds answered him: a long, swelling moan of panic -- the clatter of four guns dropped to the floor -- and the bark of the fifth, fired by a guard at the forehead of the chief.

Golly, if I were to walk in on five armed guards and their chief, and identify myself as Ragnar Danneskjold, do you suppose four of them would drop their guns and the fifth would shoot his chief?  Somehow I don't feel up for experimenting with that.

They get Galt (GET GALT or GOT GALT? would still be quite a title) and fly off in a plane while Francisco administers first aid.  A lot gets said, but I'm struck by Danneskjold once more:

          "One of these centuries," said Danneskjold, turning to them for a moment, "the brutes, private or public, who believe that they can rule their betters by force, will learn the lesson of what happens when brute force encounters mind and force."

Well, whatever that lesson is, it had better not be this one, because brute force sure was obligingly wussy.

That's pretty much the story -- but what about Eddie Willers, now stuck out in San Francisco?  He wonders at his wanting so hard to get the Comet to run again, as by now so few even use it, but his ideal of the Taggart motto -- "From Ocean to Ocean, forever" -- drives him on.  However, upon hearing that the Taggart Bridge is out and that there's no rail service to New York City, passengers get herded out onto covered horse-drawn wagons.  Eddie works hard but fails to get the Comet moving, but at least he has had his epiphany:

          ... but, Dagny, business and earning a living and that in man which makes it possible -- that is the best within us, that was the thing to defend ...

Things look tragic for him right now, but who knows, maybe he'll get to be a new leader of Taggart Transcontinental once civilization gets restored.  Speaking of which, in Galt's Gulch, that dagnabbed Richard Halley's Fifth Concerto is playing again>  Midas Mulligan is working on investments he wants to make, especially in New York City.  (If you ask me, this all too eerily reminds me of Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine.")  Danneskjold reads Aristotle, while his actress wife "Kay Ludlow sat before a mirror, thoughtfully studying the shades of film make-up, spread open in a battered case."  See, that was the trouble: before all this happened, film make-up would get studied so thoughtlessly.  But wait --

          The rectangle of light in the acres of a farm was the window of the library of Judge Narragansett.  He sat at a table, and the light of his lamp fell on a copy of an ancient document.  He had marked and crossed out the contradictions in its statements that had once been the cause of its destruction.  He was now adding a new clause to its pages: "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade ... "

That, in one snuck-in little paragraph, relegated to one of the most fleeting of characters, is what this entire war has been about.  Yet if it has been so all-fired important, why are we not permitted to see the entirety of Narragansett's work?

Galt and Dagny look out into the darkness beyond the gulch, noting Wyatt's Torch still burning away:

          "The road is cleared," said Galt.  "We are going back to the world."
          He raised his hand and over the desolate earth he traced in space the sign of the dollar.

That is Atlas Shrugged, and if you have come this far then you may begin to wonder at events in our real live world of today.  Does today's GOP really see itself as Galt, trying to corner the Mr. Thompson that is President Obama ever more tightly?  Is much of this book actually in play, except that instead of a Strike, Murdoch and Scaife and the Koch brothers are pushing the opposite way, for a Coup?  Does the GOP pray fervently that by grinding Congress to a halt we will all someday get rescued by Galt-like demigods?  For this is only a book, and a bizarre one at that -- and yet it is the closest thing to a Bible of the modern far right, certainly more than the Bible itself, definitely more than even anything by Adam Smith.  As I look around me, American civilization seems to be held hostage to the idea of actually making some version of this book a blueprint for reality.

So that is why I have tunneled through it, and I have to say, I resent it more now than I could have ever dreamed.  I have seen what untold millions seriously consider to be the face of progress.  It is not promising.

Sometime later I'll try to get some handle on all of this.
    
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« Reply #111 on: October 20, 2011, 07:57:14 AM »
I was nearly tempted to try to be so fair-minded as to wonder what it would be like to have this novel come up in a setting like my writers' workshop.  I consider the novel a kind of "hot mess," but I can greatly relate to that, because the 866-page hairball I coughed up back in the Nineties was itself a passionate and all-over-the-map "hot mess."  So I started writing down ways to make this an even stronger, clearer novel -- but round about the time I reached my seventh recommendation, that was when I ran out of enthusiasm.  This book has done enough harm, and continues to do harm -- to what end does an exercise in trying to improve it serve?

There is a lesson here, that being: it is a mistake to underestimate a poorly written book.  This goes as much for Atlas Shrugged as, say, the Left Behind series.  Readers starved for personal vindication will forgive a thousand illiterate sins if the book can still galvanize their minds on a reflexive emotional level.  I have tried to sort out Shrugged and for all its length the book itself is in fact very little.  A better understanding of it is to be found in its readership's response to it, how much depth of meaning they are able to invest in each symbol or code phrase.  It's a Rorschach, albeit an extremely skewed Rorschach.

There are many things that Shrugged simply is not -- and someday I may get to that.

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« Reply #112 on: October 27, 2011, 01:15:34 AM »
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“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves Orcs.”

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« Reply #113 on: October 29, 2011, 07:01:00 AM »
Pal, thanks.  In the case of my own adolescence it was Frank Herbert's Dune, which I think is an interesting middle ground between Rings and Shrugged, being the fanciful saga of the one matched to the messianic superheroism of the other.  The beauty of Dune is that it can't be taken seriously, in any halfway useful way.  Looking back I can appreciate that Herbert constructed an entire galaxy set up as a giant winding row of dominoes all standing around waiting for one teenage boy to knock the first one over, and I see Shrugged as being set up much the same way, the problem being that Herbert's world makes far more sense on its own merits than Rand's.  At worst, I might imagine someone reading Herbert, thinking "melange = oil" and, being so inspired, setting off the OPEC oil shocks of 1973, but to my knowledge no such linkage has ever been proven.  Yet "melange = oil" is a fair analogy, whereas Rand's analogies are so rickety that they can be imposed upon reality only as their opposite: a Coup rather than a Strike, corporations influencing law rather than vice versa.

As I look back, I'm pleased with this thread.  I've been reading around and defenses of Shrugged go something like "It's a shame this silly person thought Shrugged was against charity, because look over here, I found one quote -- okay, so it's not in the novel -- by Rand that sounds like it's in defense of charity, so you see, that silly person just got it all wrong!"  Of course, the book is the book is the book -- Rand herself insisted it was her magnum opus, and with 1168 pages at her disposal, she could have bloody well bothered to leave it to more than just some obscure essay or transcript to make such a point if it had really been that important to her.  Yet I also obliged myself to track down the famous Whittaker Chambers review, and I'm a bit underwhelmed at that as well.  The biggest temptation for both sides seems to be to go flying off into generalities, whereas I am not so inclined -- the book itself is sufficiently damning to the book itself.  Bizarrely enough, I can accuse Rand in some instances of being mealy-mouthed -- the Strike's demands are never specified, Dagny's peppy little clarifications like "End taxes and remove controls" are barely backed up by any of the action in the story, and on the final page Judge Narragansett is begging a lot of interesting particulars as he literally rewrites the Constitution.

I am coming to a conclusion that there are three kinds of people: those who love a book, those who hate a book, and those who actually read said book.  The lovers and the haters get sore at us who read, wondering "But why can't you just gloss over that like I do?"  But it's worth it, so as to wind up loving or hating a book not simply for a reflex, but for a reason.      
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« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2011, 01:32:41 PM »
Having had Bad Kitty just now patiently explain to me that Rand was no theist, a point I could scarcely have missed in the course of this project ;D , I feel obliged to make at least one return here.  (Kit, if you're out there, I'll admit this thread starts out meandering -- much like Rand's own first six chapters -- but I do think it hits its stride as it wraps up, just so you know.)

It occurs to me I never said the simple little thing that this book ultimately is.  Truth is, once I realized how petty this "great book" was, my focus wandered elsewhere -- I have, for example, recently arrived at an odd reinterpretation of the first eleven chapters of the Book of Genesis, but you all have suffered enough and I won't put you through that.  So at last I'll say what I find this book to be:

It's a tantrum.

Growing up is tough.  So is trying to live as an individual within a large and complex society.  It is therefore easy to hanker time and again for a world without rules, without boundaries -- and perhaps most significant to the tender ego, without backtalk.  As not simply a porn reader but something of a pornographer, I appreciate and embrace the freedom to such fantasy.

Where we begin to mess up is when personal escapism gets morphed into some allegedly serious manifesto.  It bugs me when there's a lot of obvious mean-spiritedness and bad blood bumping around out there in the world of porn.  Some men want more, and they want too much, they want actual real live society to take up some extreme fantasy of theirs as some new and eternal revolution.  The Gor books by the man who calls himself John Norman are a supremely bad joke, but at least there has never been much of a serious effort that I know of to create Gor on Earth, except perhaps for the space of one wild weekend.  Better examples are the movie A Clockwork Orange, quite distinct from the Anthony Burgess novel, in particular its full 21-chapter British printing, and to some extent the Matrix trilogy.  (I must admit, though, the trilogy winds up feeling like a cheat -- we are first told that the problem with the Matrix is that it's nothing but an enslaving illusion, but then it turns out that really the only problem with it is that as enslaving illusions go it's just not fun enough.)  Something like Kubrick's Orange says "I proclaim the individual, warts and all, over all other considerations," and that is a fine and guilty pleasure as far as that goes.  But then a misogynist Orange fan butchers his girlfriend while wearing an Orange  shirt just down the street from the home of my oldest friend, and there I feel obliged to worry.

Having gone through Shrugged, there is little doubt in my mind that there is something sexual and even eugenic going on just under its surface -- but I can leave that for another thesis.  Instead, I just offer the standard rebellious precocious teenager.  He is oppressed on all sides by the parental non-logic "The rules are the rules and you just have to follow the rules because we say so."  The teenager rightly wonders "But what about the individual!?" and there he has a smidgen of a point -- and with any luck he will work and think and hone that point to a diamond hardness.

Shrugged, in comparison to a genuine individualist thesis, is simply an easy out.  The kid gets told that the individual must cut some deal with society, but thanks to Shrugged, the kid gets to retort "But Rockefeller and Carnegie and Ford were individuals, but their individualism actually drove society, we credit them with our Industrial Revolution -- so there!"

There's a couple of problems with this.  One is the problem that always arises by assuming that history is the one true inevitable way that things could have gone.  Indeed, the Industrial Revolution came from so-called "robber barons," but I am not at all convinced it absolutely had to be that way.  It really gets tiresome, the whole "Take away a billionaire's freedom to be a multibillionaire and you end civilization" argument.  An even greater problem, of course, is that, having insisted that such men were champions of individualism, you are left with pretty much nothing BUT these men to base your whole new world on -- and for a host of reasons, some of which have been generously contributed to this thread by some of its readers, you can't.

This, incidentally, is not specific to Rand.  I appreciate Muhammad Yunus, the man behind the Gramine banking system and so-called microenterprise.  Where he loses me, though, is when he gets to insisting that EVERYONE can get in touch with their inner entrepreneur.  My father teaches.  How the hell is becoming an entrepreneur going to help him?  I like my father fine as he is, and for the life of me I can't see how transforming him into an entrepreneur would make him a better man or even a better teacher.

If I can object to Yunus, then you can begin to guess what little use I see for Rand.  Rand's apologists actually pooh-pooh the oh-so-silly critics summing this up as "technocracy" -- but honestly, is there room for anything BUT technocracy here?  True, she once wrote about an architect -- but you know what, I STILL doubt that giving a speech to a jury would get a man off for dynamiting a building.  Rand's attempts to apply her freedom principle beyond her technocrats are ludicrous -- the composer Richard Halley is a simply hateful character.

This one slim reed, "Well, the robber barons were individuals who built civilization, so nyah-nyah," gets expanded at endless length into Shrugged, but for all that expansion Rand can only argue for it by inventing a world and all too many people who to my mind simply do not even exist.  The book suggests that it's topical, yet bears virtually no resemblance to reality.  Even now, the Occupy movement is being taken up by precisely those worldly-wise workers who Rand would have applauding Hank and Dagny -- as even I might applaud a Hank or a Dagny, if any Hanks and Dagnys were indeed in evidence, truly championing innovation and competence.

It's a tantrum.  At best, Rand's brand of melodrama raises it to romantic conceits, so perhaps it could even be called a "romantrum" -- but at base, a tantrum is what it remains.  Which is all the more worrisome, because if arch-conservatives are indeed taking deathly serious cues from Shrugged even now as they go right on tinkering with American politics, then a tantrum is what we have all become hostage to.
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Re: Atlas Shrank
« Reply #115 on: June 12, 2012, 12:47:20 AM »
Saw this today:

http://xkcd.com/1049/

Thought of this thread.  :D
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« Reply #116 on: June 12, 2012, 06:31:13 AM »
6, thanks. ;D  An old friend of mine shared that same cartoon on faceb00k some time ago.

I even differ a little.  As shameless blatant melodrama for melodrama's own sake, it works as a guilty pleasure to occasionally read around in.  Taking it seriously is where you can get tripped up.

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« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2012, 12:37:56 AM »
As shameless blatant melodrama for melodrama's own sake, it works as a guilty pleasure to occasionally read around in.

I don't think I'd consider a 1000+ page novel a "guilty pleasure"...it seems too much to invest in!  Of course, my own estimation of guilty pleasures is skewed, as it consists of watching stuff like America's Next Top Model, lady wrestlers, or (a few years back) the super-trashy "Rock of Love" and other associated "celebreality" dating/spinoff shows from VH1.  All for some glimpses of busty/skinny ladies in skimpy/tight clothing with NO other entertainment value.   :P
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« Reply #118 on: June 17, 2012, 06:02:46 AM »
I once met Taya Parker, who I believe was in that "Rock of Love" show.  But the trick, as I specifically phrased it, is to "read around," not read through.  A James Clavell novel lends itself to this: you just pick it up any old where and find an interesting passage.  However, I think we can agree that if Rand was going to oblige us to sit through over a thousand pages of manifesto, she should have thrown in some boobage.

Deviant Art can give us a hot Daphne Blake or a hot Jane Jetson, but TRULY Deviant Art could give us a Chelsea-chested Dagny Taggart.  Complete, of course, with a stern expression.  Some men wouldn't mind getting railroaded by such a woman. ;D

V to 6 below: THANK YOU for that! ;D  Ahh, eyes as green as cash ... ;D
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« Reply #119 on: June 17, 2012, 03:54:46 PM »
If I recall right, "Taya" was the winner of the last season of that show.  And I think I read she was also a Penthouse model or something...lending credence to the theory that the competition was rigged, but since it's a reality competition show (and on VH1, and desperately trying to rope in viewers with the "**27**" angle, and so on), that doesn't really surprise or bother me.  She seemed nice (and hot, of course) on the show; did you have much impression of her in real life?

I'm guessing you've seen several of my other posts, which lately are centered around DA; I agree that there are limits on the art (and "deviancy") to be found there, but some of that is from their own site rules, while the rest is simply a matter of popularity.  When it comes to images of women at DA it's either models, original characters of the artist's own creation, or easily-recognizeable characters from popular culture, because that'll draw in the widest possible audience.  I'm one such consumer, but mainly because I'm easily entertained and don't have very demanding standards.  Fanart of characters from niche or obscure works are extremely rare, so when I did a search there just now for Dagny Taggart, I only got 56 results.  Only a fraction of those were polished/completed works, and only this one was at all busty (and for that matter, is only "loosely inspired" by the character).

As a side note, I also should've mentioned that I don't find melodrama particularly pleasurable either (guilty or otherwise).  But I'm still glad to have had the secondhand experience of this book from you, so thanks again for doing this!
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