Post by: DruulEmpire on April 11, 2008, 09:14:55 PM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 12, 2008, 01:09:31 AM
If the former, then the following two are probably familiar to you:
- the titanium mesh implant
- fat grafting
If the latter, then my votes are on:
- biotechnology/nanotechnology
....
As I mentioned in a recent thread, I don't think we'll be seeing boobs filled with marshmallows anytime soon.
Post by: DruulEmpire on April 12, 2008, 04:14:23 AM
So I guess I'm talking about titanium mesh for right now -- unless you can talk me into biotech. (Or if "fat grafting" can be a kind of fat transfer, fat from elsewhere in the body shifted to the breasts.)
Post by: derf79 on April 12, 2008, 08:00:47 AM
go to: http://www.osmed.biz/ --->products--->variations.
"Possibility of Variations
Osmosis expanders can be manufactured in any size and shape, that might be needed in the human body.
osmed can now supply devices with a starting volume of 0,025 - 70 ml with a final volume of 0,24 - 650 ml.
The swelling factor varies between 3 and 40. Shape and final volume are determined during manufacturing. A memory effect ensures that exact these parameters are reached in vivo."
This sounds very promising! The company is actually very new and short on capital. I'm sure the right investor could bring a 6000cc expander(which would be implanted at 2000cc) to market with a stock purchase of, say 150,000 euro or so...
Post by: Djoser on April 12, 2008, 03:20:07 PM
Post by: ValNTx on April 12, 2008, 04:38:41 PM
If your goal is the big round fake look, major overfilling is one of the best ways to this look and to my knowledge, saline is still the only option for overfill.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on April 12, 2008, 05:17:33 PM
Post by: Melons on June 30, 2008, 05:43:46 PM
You are most likely already using things that employ nanotech. What you are probably thinking of is nanites (tiny machines) and we already do make progress there.
We are able to place a single atom and there are scientists who seriously believe that technology similar to the replicators in startrek will be widely available in 20 to 50 years. More conservative scientists say 100 years.
This is nanotech too. Also the lotus surface structure or the coating on hip implants.
We are also very close to major break throughs on the bio-tech front and some of the research is already used.
So don't be surprised if what you are looking for is possible sooner than you thought.
In any case we need an implant material, that moves naturally (or not), is lighter than fat or current implants but s also stable in ints form without being totally hard but rather soft.
A filling with any gas is a too high risks if it leaks since it could kill if it gets in the blood.
But it would be awsome if you could have boobs as big as basketballs that weight just 500g or 1000g.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on June 30, 2008, 08:38:18 PM
Once placed, the disk would first match up with neighbour cells so that it would be able to create more cells which wouldn't automatically be rejected, then start some sort of symmetric growth. Some thought would need to be put into this, so that the appropriate rate of growth from different points on the disk will occur. You don't want something growing into the shape of a tennis ball any more than you'd want it to assume the shape of a small football. Or a cylinder. I'm sure those who are into advanced mathematics would have a good idea how to specify this algorithm (deterministic vs non-deterministic).
And of course there's the ever-critical threshold, and how to set that flag.
Random thoughts.
Post by: Erowyn on July 01, 2008, 08:20:31 PM
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MasterDragonfly said:
I'd find it interesting to see some sort of biotech (not sure if it would be using a protein-based computer, or what), whether in the form of pill or injectible (or transdermal cream, for that matter), but what I envision as possibly the first step would be some sort of flat but flexible disk which gets inserted through a breast fold incision.
Once placed, the disk would first match up with neighbour cells so that it would be able to create more cells which wouldn't automatically be rejected, then start some sort of symmetric growth. Some thought would need to be put into this, so that the appropriate rate of growth from different points on the disk will occur. You don't want something growing into the shape of a tennis ball any more than you'd want it to assume the shape of a small football. Or a cylinder. I'm sure those who are into advanced mathematics would have a good idea how to specify this algorithm (deterministic vs non-deterministic).
And of course there's the ever-critical threshold, and how to set that flag.
Random thoughts.
From the: NewScientist.com news service
Date: 18 February 2005
Stem Cells turn into Breast Implants
Silicone breast implants could be replaced by tissue grown from a person's own stem cells within a decade, suggests new research.
Jeremy Mao of the University of Illinois, in Chicago, US, took human stem cells and used these to grow fat tissue using a biologically compatible scaffolding. He then successfully implanted the tissue into mice with an immune deficiency to prevent them from rejecting the implants. The implants had maintained their size and shape after four weeks.
"This is a project that builds on previous knowledge to develop a stem cell material that could be useful in society," says Mao. "It seems promising and could soon be making an impact."
Implants grown from stem cells could provide a safer alternative to silicone or saline implants, which can rupture and also interfere with breast cancer detection. They could also be aesthetically superior, keeping their shape and size for longer than artificial inserts, which typically shrink by 40% to 60% over many years, through spreading.
Reconstructive surgery
Eventually Mao says the technique could be used to develop more suitable tissue for reconstructive surgery as well as cosmetic augmentation.
The experiment involved key-hole surgery to extract mesenchymal stem cells from human bone marrow. These "master cells" can grow into various other different types of cells, including bone cartilage and fat. Mao coaxed them to develop into fat cells by mimicking the conditions that would cause this to happen in the human body.
The cells were then moulded into shape using a hydrogel scaffold and inserted into mice for a period of four weeks. Following implantation the eight mice involved in the study suffered no discernable ill effects and their implants maintained their original size and shape for the entire month. This is substantially longer than artificial inserts, which normally begin to deform after a week or two.
Mao believes breast implants grown from stem cells could be available within a decade. Ideally, the scaffold would disintegrate safely inside the body as the implant grows, he says.
Growth factors
But he admits that several questions remain over the viability of grown implants, including how they will react to surrounding tissues and whether any special growth factors might be required.
Donald Ingber, of Harvard Medical School, part of Harvard University in Massachusetts, US, says the work, which will appear in the April issue Tissue Engineering, is promising. But he cautions that more complex cell techniques may be needed to grow viable implants for humans. "The breast is more than just fat," he says. "And you might want specific patterns of growth rather than just growth."
But Ingber told New Scientist that it might be possible to engineer controlled growth using alternative types of scaffolding or by chemically treating surrounding cells so that they manage the growth of the new ones.
Mao presented the work at the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Washington, DC, US, on Thursday.
Post by: MasterDragonfly on July 01, 2008, 08:57:09 PM
Check out my site for snippets on Cytori Therapeutics.
That said, I'm still thinking in terms of having a programmable device which is extremely thin, but has the instructions to tell the body to grow to a certain shape and size, not stopping until that endpoint is reached (think of a "while" or "until" loop in programming), but defintely stopping once reached.
Post by: Juno on July 01, 2008, 10:21:44 PM
Post by: DruulEmpire on August 31, 2008, 08:39:47 AM
Post by: sander815 on September 03, 2008, 04:09:22 PM
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say 150,000 euro or so...
are you serious? 150.000 euro?
Post by: DruulEmpire on February 18, 2009, 08:00:47 AM
Post by: dareon on March 07, 2009, 02:25:45 PM
i belive this is posible, if this tecnike can construct a new hearth form zero enlarge breasts must be easy
Post by: DruulEmpire on March 28, 2009, 12:37:35 PM
Augmentations continue to be visually interesting, but now I'm looking to what it takes to expand breasts while still keeping them relatively light and pliable, i.e. fun.
Post by: Djoser on March 30, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Post by: Melons on April 23, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
since weight is a major issue I was searching for "very low density solids" and came across aerogel. I had heard of it from the NASA project for collecting spacedust to be stopped by it from high speed and trapped in it. So it had to be quite strong material.
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To the touch, aerogels feel like a light but rigid foam, something between Styrofoam and the green floral foam used for arranging flowers. Despite what their name may suggest, aerogels are dry materials and do not resemble a gel in their physical properties; the name comes from the fact that they are derived from gels. Pressing softly on an aerogel typically does not leave a mark; pressing more firmly will leave a permanent dimple. Pressing firmly enough will cause a catastrophic breakdown in the sparse structure, causing it to shatter like glass—a property known as friability. Despite the fact that it is prone to shattering, it is very strong structurally. Its impressive load bearing abilities are due to the dendritic microstructure, in which spherical particles of average size 2-5 nm are fused together into clusters. These clusters form a three-dimensional highly porous structure of almost fractal chains, with pores smaller than 100 nm. The average size and density of the pores can be controlled during the manufacturing process.
Aerogels by themselves are hydrophilic, but chemical treatment can make them hydrophobic. If they absorb moisture they usually suffer a structural change, such as contraction, and deteriorate, but degradation can be prevented by making them hydrophobic. Aerogels with hydrophobic interiors are less susceptible to degradation than aerogels with only an outer hydrophobic layer, even if a crack penetrates the surface. Hydrophobic treatment facilitates processing because it allows the use of a water jet cutter.
The part interesting to us is this:
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Silica aerogel is the most common type of aerogel and the most extensively studied and used. It is a silica-based substance, derived from silica gel. The world's lowest-density solid is a silica nanofoam at 1 mg/cm³, which is the evacuated version of the record-aerogel of 1.9 mg/cm³. The density of air is 1.2 mg/cm³.
So I thought what if you build an implant with a core of that stuff and only a relatively thin "crust" of normal filler around it to make it soft to the touch?
Reading on I found this:
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Aerogel particles are also used as thickening agents in some paints and cosmetics.
So it could be used as small particles in saline or silicone to make it over all lighter.
For the shell of the implant one could embed a mesh of carbon nanotubes since they are extremely strong but also tiny and light but the implant would stretch less.
This together could lead to building implants of 12000 (Chelsea's size) while weighting only 3 or 4 kg still heavy but manageable.
see my chart:
Post by: Bonecracker on April 24, 2009, 12:02:55 AM
Post by: Djoser on April 25, 2009, 04:14:44 PM
Post by: Melons on April 26, 2009, 05:11:44 AM
Maybe some one with contacts could point this out to some implant manufactures?
Post by: Melons on May 05, 2009, 05:39:48 PM
I would not like having such a huge scar halve way or more around each breast.
If it could be build as an expander that will be filled with a saline or silicone mixture containing aerogel particles it would be way better.
Maybe I could be a beta test candidate and get them for free once they seem save?
I just watched some videos of PBD and I got so envious again. Oh how I want such beautiful ball like tits.
Post by: Djoser on May 07, 2009, 02:39:16 PM
Post by: DruulEmpire on December 09, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Druul "talk about May-December romance" Empire
Post by: lain on December 29, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D3o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D3o)
Post by: MasterDragonfly on December 29, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
So presumably you could use oobleck as well?
Post by: lain on December 30, 2009, 01:39:10 AM
Post by: Dr_Fashizzle on May 29, 2010, 09:05:23 PM
Yes the as long as it is a non newtonian fluid. the goal of the fill of the implant in this idea is that it will be reacting to the dynamic movements of the breast. If the movement is gentile it will be soft and pliable. Is the movement violent it will become stiffer resisting the movement.That would be great for Busty Heart... ;D
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Post by: louhi on August 22, 2011, 08:49:40 PM
Post by: DruulEmpire on November 17, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
Druul "I Shore do like them bouncy" Empire
Post by: louhi on November 19, 2011, 07:35:55 AM
Post by: morto555 on August 27, 2012, 12:54:40 AM
Post by: Sheherezade on August 27, 2012, 04:08:39 AM
There are only a few girls who are willed to go bigger than 2000ccs i think. Most girls prefer an implant size around 300-600ccs. And this volumes doesnt need to be very light. And thats why there are no great need of creating an perhaps expensive material that is very light and implantable.
I am dreaming too of breasts that are two round orbs perhaps 1/3 or half of the body volume of the girl, but i dont think, that scientists doesnt search for it, cause there is no need for it and it has to be good to sell...
But never say never ;)
Post by: Maik on August 27, 2012, 11:12:41 AM
But for military or astronautic reasons i think it can be.
(You know there is always enough money for military inventions)
Post by: DruulEmpire on August 28, 2012, 08:02:16 PM
By the way -- morto, thanks for boosting my old thread, and welcome to the BEA! ;D 8)
Post by: morto555 on August 29, 2012, 01:23:29 AM
Post by: MasterDragonfly on September 03, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
if the law is the material then what can you do.
It's not the material. The PPP filament has been used in a mesh format for hernia repairs for quite some time. Going from memory, I believe it has been over 40 years.
Post by: morto555 on October 31, 2012, 05:10:05 AM
Post by: Offline on October 31, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/Modern+Medicine+Now/Study-examines-connection-between-highly-textured-/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/717420
Post by: MasterDragonfly on November 04, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
A major problem is the law that states a person can only have some many cc's in thier breast at one time
I'm not sure why this disinformation continues to be repeated, but this simply isn't true. If it were true, then Chelsea Charms would be in jail.
The issue has to do with the FDA primarily, and the implant manufacturers which need to follow the FDA guidelines. You can't get silicone implants larger than 1000cc in this country (I'm expanding the definition to include those women who are in the 1000cc silicone field trials), you can't get saline implants rated at more than 850cc (I don't think that saline shells rated at 1000cc were ever marketed, but I'll happily hear info to the contrary). That said, there's nothing to stop a surgeon from pumping more than 850cc into a saline implant shell. Far, FAR more. It's been done, it continues to be done. It then boils down to the surgeon's experience, and whether the surgeon wants to be known as the sort of surgeon who does huge implants.
Post by: morto555 on November 06, 2012, 03:47:35 AM
Post by: Tugboatcap on November 11, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
Okay you miss took what I said in a big way. I was not saying that huge implants are like illegal contraband and if a woman walks in the country she will go to jail. Maybe I should have said "the law states that a person can only have some many cc's PLACED in their breast at one time." Are we at an understanding?
Nope. Still wrong.
Post by: morto555 on July 19, 2013, 03:43:42 AM
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Post by: Andy_J on July 19, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
Post by: morto555 on July 21, 2013, 04:36:06 AM
Ninjrk thanks for the info. I thought of bead implants before my first idea was just to have the bead placed in the breast with no shell and that might still work but my bead implants 2.0 idea is to have 10mm sized beads inside of a silicone or polyethylene shell that has 4mm eyelets in them. One more actual breast implant idea I want to call them squid implants for they tentacles. You take an every day silicone/saline breast implant and put 100 or so tentacles that will be 5mm thick and how ever long you want them to be. The soft silicone tentacles should acted just like string implants with the twist because for you should be able to make these implants into expanders so when you drain the outside of them, you can then fill up the inside ;D. Next post I will be talking about DNA should be fun.
Post by: Djoser on July 21, 2013, 11:26:52 PM
Post by: morto555 on August 17, 2013, 02:38:22 AM
Post by: spoon on October 13, 2013, 07:47:04 AM
http://www.bringoutyourbest.com/plastic-surgery/new-breast-implant-filler-material/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18812723
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Post by: andrat2000 on October 01, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
Actually a urethane silicone copolymer shell has excellent potential. Shell thickness and strength is always a balancing act. Thick shells do not have aesthetically pleasing results. Thin shells are too weak. A urethane silicone copolymer can produce a shell that is 1/10 the thickness of a silicone shell and many times stronger.
juno.
Do you know what was the outcome with the urethane silicone co-polymer? You know I read urethane is probably carcinogenic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_carbamate
Post by: andrat2000 on October 01, 2014, 03:05:19 AM
Well, here's hoping that they finally get PEG implants off the ground. Basically by mixing a relativly safe filler (polyethelyne glycol) with saline, it's possible to recreate that silicone feel with the safety of saline. Also it can undergo osmosis and expand in a reliable safe manner. More info here:
http://www.bringoutyourbest.com/plastic-surgery/new-breast-implant-filler-material/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18812723
And this sounds like something I read a few months ago - elsewhere 8)
Post by: louhi on October 12, 2014, 07:27:47 PM
juno.
Do you know what was the outcome with the urethane silicone co-polymer? You know I read urethane is probably carcinogenic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_carbamate
So the article itself says that despite the common name urethane, ethyl carbamate is not a urethane.
Post by: louhi on October 12, 2014, 07:43:47 PM
Should be dramatically easier/less iritatting on internal tissues than PPP string, and have a a specific gravity < 1.0 to boot.
Post by: andrat2000 on October 13, 2014, 04:23:58 PM
So the article itself says that despite the common name urethane, ethyl carbamate is not a urethane.
It says urethane is not a component of polyurethane. This is a difference in the meaning.
But it seems I might not get an answer from juno anyway. It is 3 months since he last logged in.
Post by: louhi on October 13, 2014, 07:45:32 PM
Not carbamate.