[Hiram]

kinda find the whole thing fascinating and a little bit nuts.

Same here - glad I don't have to wear one though.

[Margaret]

She could easily be a 24E/FF. the days of A and B are pretty much gone now

Wow, I had no idea.  Fascinating stuff Margaret.

they’re largely for teens and bigger women who have almost no boobs.

Out of curiosity - at what size does not wearing a bra matter.  Is there a size where not wearing a bra is feasible, just desirable - or does wearing a bra become essential for normal life when not at home?

Keeping the smaller sizes going - here is today's lady.  I had a size in mind, but after what you've said above - I'm not entirely sure.

Apologies. Authentication issues (again) which lasted almost two days.

I think it’s generally always important to wear a bra, for various reasons (support, comfort, style etc), but also for breast tissue health too - and, self-esteem (wearing a bra is a deep reinforcement of femininity - and it can work wonders for your mental health to feel like a woman). But, admittedly, there’s a size when it becomes almost pointless - I don’t really mean it’s futile, but it can be counter-productive (and expensive). I’d always advise wearing support of some kind, be it a slip or a supportive bralet or vest. And, I still wear bras at home (most women do), it’s just some days it gets to the stage that it’s a massive relief to take it off.

Your new lady - interesting. This could easily be a 28E/F, something along those lines. Difficult to be certain because of the angle, but it’s small band, roomy cups.

[Margaret]

She looks like she’s gone from something like a 30E or F to a 36G possibly a 38G. but I wouldn’t be surprised if she was wearing a 40 band.

Merci beaucoup.

So today I thought I'd go for a smaller lady - my guess is A, but maybe B - but what do you think?

Love her flat stomach btw.

You’d be surprised. She could easily be a 24E/FF. the days of A and B are pretty much gone now - they’re largely for teens and bigger women who have almost no boobs. Depending on back size, a fit like this is more likely to be in the 24FF, 26E etc.

Reading this surprised the hell out of me and it just goes to show how crazy bra sizes are. No wonder I constantly read how the majority of women are wearing the wrong size bra and are ill fitting. I kinda find the whole thing fascinating and a little bit nuts.

It might help if I explain it like this…

Big boobs, no matter what, need a supportive back band, first and foremost. The back band does the hard work - the cups encase the boobs, and the straps give additional support to the boobs. So there’s that. Then, big boobs also need big cups (which seems obvious). Now, smaller boobs still need support - just not as much as bigger boobs. And they still need a back band - so when you start adding in the cups for smaller boobs (even for what seem like tiny boobs), you still need to factor in a few inches for the back band as well as the cups.

Also, bra sizes (band + cup) is kind of a proportional equation (which doesn’t always make sense, admittedly) - but it’s not always about *volume*, it’s about size, and fit. 

Does that make any kind of sense?

[Margaret]

kinda find the whole thing fascinating and a little bit nuts.

Same here - glad I don't have to wear one though.

You can wear one if you like. I certainly won’t judge 😘

[Hiram]

You can wear one if you like. I certainly won’t judge 😘

Ha ha if I had bigger boobs maybe - I have no boobs at all.

[Hiram]

Apologies. Authentication issues (again) which lasted almost two days.

I wish I could think of something to try next to fix this - I will have a think. 

You've certainly opened my eyes to sizing ladies with smaller boobs.   

I think it’s generally always important to wear a bra, for various reasons (support, comfort, style etc), but also for breast tissue health too

I always assume wearing a bra helps sagging over time.  Someone at the door - finish this later.

[solvegas]

kinda find the whole thing fascinating and a little bit nuts.

Same here - glad I don't have to wear one though.

You can wear one if you like. I certainly won’t judge 😘

I can't speak for Hiram but if I wore a bra, I would be arrested for causing massive amounts of disturbances and even cause mental problems for those who witness such a sight. 

[Hiram]

Also, bra sizes (band + cup) is kind of a proportional equation (which doesn’t always make sense, admittedly) - but it’s not always about *volume*, it’s about size, and fit.  Does that make any kind of sense?

I am trying to get my head round the concept. 

That said - I think we need some more pictures help me understand how this all works.

Okay then - here is a picture of four ladies.   So the challenge is - which one is the largest and why did you come to that conclusion?

[Margaret]

Also, bra sizes (band + cup) is kind of a proportional equation (which doesn’t always make sense, admittedly) - but it’s not always about *volume*, it’s about size, and fit.  Does that make any kind of sense?

I am trying to get my head round the concept. 

That said - I think we need some more pictures help me understand how this all works.

Okay then - here is a picture of four ladies.   So the challenge is - which one is the largest and why did you come to that conclusion?

They’re all of different body frame sizes (therefore different can band sizes), and clearly different cup sizes - but there’s not a huge variance between them. The woman in the middle and the woman at the far right definitely would have bigger cup sizes (middle woman is probably a 26F/E, end woman is probably a 28D or E - but I’d really need to see them try some bras out). In any case, they’re all very slim, and they’re in the range 24-28 and D-F in cups (give or take).

[Hiram]

In any case, they’re all very slim, and they’re in the range 24-28 and D-F in cups (give or take).

I thought that pic would be a tough one.  They are still way bigger than I'd have guessed. 

So on to today's challenge - I have a couple more pics, albeit of this young lady laying down, which may or may not help.   Actually on that - what is the best position to get a good estimate - I assume standing, but any other pose that could help?   Looking at the pics of women on their backs, you get a sense of the volume of their boobs.

[Margaret]

In any case, they’re all very slim, and they’re in the range 24-28 and D-F in cups (give or take).

I thought that pic would be a tough one.  They are still way bigger than I'd have guessed. 

So on to today's challenge - I have a couple more pics, albeit of this young lady laying down, which may or may not help.   Actually on that - what is the best position to get a good estimate - I assume standing, but any other pose that could help?   Looking at the pics of women on their backs, you get a sense of the volume of their boobs.

I’m in a 28H/HH mood for this lady. She looks quite slim in the back, with pretty full-on-bottom boobs.

[Hiram]

I’m in a 28H/HH mood for this lady.

I'm always in a 28HH mood!  ha ha.

Here's the same woman but horizontal.

[Margaret]

I’m in a 28H/HH mood for this lady.

I'm always in a 28HH mood!  ha ha.

Here's the same woman but horizontal.

Yep. Definitely in the 28HH range.

When doing a proper measurement, you tend to take overbust (tight and snug), underbust (tight and snug), leaning bust and lying bust. The leaning bust (ie. Leaning forward eitg your boobs perpendicular to the floor) is to get a sense of volume and likely projection, and the lying measurement is to get a sense as to whether the boobs sit against the breastplate or if they “splay” out west-east. But in truth, you can get a decent idea of bra size with underbust and overbust alone.

[solvegas]

I’m in a 28H/HH mood for this lady.

I'm always in a 28HH mood!  ha ha.

Here's the same woman but horizontal.

Yep. Definitely in the 28HH range.

When doing a proper measurement, you tend to take overbust (tight and snug), underbust (tight and snug), leaning bust and lying bust. The leaning bust (ie. Leaning forward eitg your boobs perpendicular to the floor) is to get a sense of volume and likely projection, and the lying measurement is to get a sense as to whether the boobs sit against the breastplate or if they “splay” out west-east. But in truth, you can get a decent idea of bra size with underbust and overbust alone.

Well, I would/want to measure busty young ladies not because I want to fit them a bra but because a perv .... er .... breast connoisseur like me simply wants to get an opportunity to fondle their breasts.  I'm incorrigible. 

[Margaret]

I’m in a 28H/HH mood for this lady.

I'm always in a 28HH mood!  ha ha.

Here's the same woman but horizontal.

Yep. Definitely in the 28HH range.

When doing a proper measurement, you tend to take overbust (tight and snug), underbust (tight and snug), leaning bust and lying bust. The leaning bust (ie. Leaning forward eitg your boobs perpendicular to the floor) is to get a sense of volume and likely projection, and the lying measurement is to get a sense as to whether the boobs sit against the breastplate or if they “splay” out west-east. But in truth, you can get a decent idea of bra size with underbust and overbust alone.

Well, I would/want to measure busty young ladies not because I want to fit them a bra but because a perv .... er .... breast connoisseur like me simply wants to get an opportunity to fondle their breasts.  I'm incorrigible. 

Haha. The funny thing is, boobs are boobs. You get used to it. I haven’t done “professional” fitting for some time (I still help friends etc - and the odd time people pass my details on as a contact to give advice), but it’s not something you get “turned on” by. Sure, boobs are nice etc - but when you’re dealing with a fitting, it’s all very practical - and, you have to take into account that the fitee is likely to be nervous and shy - so it’s always about making sure they feel comfortable, that their privacy isn’t being invaded - and that they don’t feel as though they are being grabbed or handled. Usually, any touching etc is all around the periphery (underwires, side panels, back band, cup fringes etc) - and rarely touching their actual boobs. I always encourage the women (and - sometimes, the men being fitted) to be the one positioning and moving their own boobs - so that they get used to it and are much more confident doing it themselves.