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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #960 on: June 21, 2023, 03:40:46 AM »
I can't believe Tracy Neve is 57!

https://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Tracy_Neve - but is she a 36E?

36 back seems big, although, I don’t doubt she was maybe wearing a 36DD/E bra in the 90s (I know I did - just about everyone did).

She looks more like a 32-34E.

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #961 on: June 21, 2023, 05:50:04 AM »
36 back seems big, although, I don’t doubt she was maybe wearing a 36DD/E bra in the 90s (I know I did - just about everyone did).
Were women wearing 36DD/E due to design of bras back then - or were women just getting it wrong?  I assume bras haven't really evolved much since the 90's, are we just better at getting the sizing right these days.

She looks more like a 32-34E.
Cheers.
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #962 on: June 21, 2023, 06:04:31 AM »
36 back seems big, although, I don’t doubt she was maybe wearing a 36DD/E bra in the 90s (I know I did - just about everyone did).
Were women wearing 36DD/E due to design of bras back then - or were women just getting it wrong?  I assume bras haven't really evolved much since the 90's, are we just better at getting the sizing right these days.

She looks more like a 32-34E.
Cheers.

I think it was more a case of there were about 3 or 4 types of bra: small boobs, medium boobs and big granny boobs. You also had totally impractical lingerie that didn’t fit anyone ever. And, sizing was woeful. I just assumed I was a 34/36D because that’s what seemed to hold my boobs in and fit.

Bras have improved significantly - although, the general mechanics hasn’t changed. Back band, cups, straps, side panel, underwire - that’s what most bras are. But we have much better techniques now, much better materials - and a wider range to choose from - especially for really big boobs (the so-called DD+). I think there’s also been massive improvements in strapless bras, support bras and bras for different boob shapes and/or occasions. It really started to kick in around the mid-2000s when companies realised they were not just getting sizing wrong, but we’re missing out in a really big market. We also get nice colours for big boob bras, gorgeous materials and so much more choice. In the 90s, it was white, black or nude - or, something that took half an hour to put on and was really uncomfortable, but helped heat things up in the bedroom. (Also, I have to confess, wearing sexy lingerie - even if it’s not comfortable, can be quite exciting).

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #963 on: June 22, 2023, 01:54:45 AM »
It really started to kick in around the mid-2000s when companies realised they were not just getting sizing wrong, but we’re missing out in a really big market.
So before 2000 was the process of measuring a woman as we understand it today different.  Bra sizes are the same,  I wonder how they got so wrong back then?

It is interesting about materials for bras these days - I wonder if this is where the next advancement will take place.   I'd imagine a bra could be developed to have different properties at certain points.  As I see it, bras are elasticated, but this elasticity doesn't vary much, but this isn't necessarily the best way to give support to a woman's breasts that are dynamic.  Some boffin will come up with something sometime.

IIn the 90s, it was white, black or nude - or, something that took half an hour to put on and was really uncomfortable
I remember pursuing my mums clothes catalog and seeing just that. I wasn't hugely inspiring

(Also, I have to confess, wearing sexy lingerie - even if it’s not comfortable, can be quite exciting).
This is why I like lingerie so much - its an enhancement to a woman's beauty. 
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #964 on: June 22, 2023, 02:50:36 AM »
It really started to kick in around the mid-2000s when companies realised they were not just getting sizing wrong, but we’re missing out in a really big market.
So before 2000 was the process of measuring a woman as we understand it today different.  Bra sizes are the same,  I wonder how they got so wrong back then?

It is interesting about materials for bras these days - I wonder if this is where the next advancement will take place.   I'd imagine a bra could be developed to have different properties at certain points.  As I see it, bras are elasticated, but this elasticity doesn't vary much, but this isn't necessarily the best way to give support to a woman's breasts that are dynamic.  Some boffin will come up with something sometime.

IIn the 90s, it was white, black or nude - or, something that took half an hour to put on and was really uncomfortable
I remember pursuing my mums clothes catalog and seeing just that. I wasn't hugely inspiring

(Also, I have to confess, wearing sexy lingerie - even if it’s not comfortable, can be quite exciting).
This is why I like lingerie so much - its an enhancement to a woman's beauty.

The biggest issue pre-2000 (and it’s still an issue today) was/is the +4 (“plus four”) method of measuring. It's a historical hangover that was meant to be a temporary solution and ended up becoming the norm. Prior to the 1970s, bra sizing worked differently. The “number” was the your full bust measurement, and the “cup size” was an approximation of how busty a woman was. So a 36C bra was meant to fit someone who measured 36" across the fullest part of their bust, not the underbust, and a C cup was basically a “medium” - whatever that was supposed to mean. There was very little standardisation between brands, and sizing was all over the place. In the late 1970s, a consortium of lingerie makers decided on a new sizing system - which is quite close to the one we use today, where the cup size is the difference between the underbust measurement and the overbust measurement (more or less).

In order to ease the transition from the old system to the new, they told customers to add 4 inches (sometimes it was 5). That way, they'd stay in their old, familiar size, and gradually get used to the new system. So, someone who was a 30J in the new system could end up being a 36F with the plus 4 system.

Obviously that plan failed spectacularly, because we ended up stuck with a method that goes against how the system is supposed to work.

Now, we have a lot more standardisation of the underbust/overbust method - plus, fitting. I can’t stress enough how much fitting has made a difference. Measurements are only part of the process; getting fitted for a bra gives a much more accurate size. Imagine just buying shoes because you think you’re a size 9, and not trying them on to see how they fit. It’s the same with a bra.

In terms of materials - the best engineers and designers have worked bras for decades. The problem is, no two women are alike, so designing a one-fits-all solution doesn’t work. However, they’ve managed to get some things right: the back band does all the hard work, so start there and the rest tends to follow. In terms of materials, bras are made of two main components (there’s actually dozens more though): cotton and elastic (Lycra). The cotton is the fabric of the bra, which is lined with elastic to give movement in the materials - which allows for a certain size of back band to fit within a range (32” band should fit anyone within a 31-33 back reasonably comfortably) and then you also have the hooks/eyes to compensate for differences (and wear/tear and stretching of the material over time).

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #965 on: June 22, 2023, 07:09:26 AM »
It really started to kick in around the mid-2000s when companies realised they were not just getting sizing wrong, but we’re missing out in a really big market.
So before 2000 was the process of measuring a woman as we understand it today different.  Bra sizes are the same,  I wonder how they got so wrong back then?

It is interesting about materials for bras these days - I wonder if this is where the next advancement will take place.   I'd imagine a bra could be developed to have different properties at certain points.  As I see it, bras are elasticated, but this elasticity doesn't vary much, but this isn't necessarily the best way to give support to a woman's breasts that are dynamic.  Some boffin will come up with something sometime.

IIn the 90s, it was white, black or nude - or, something that took half an hour to put on and was really uncomfortable
I remember pursuing my mums clothes catalog and seeing just that. I wasn't hugely inspiring

(Also, I have to confess, wearing sexy lingerie - even if it’s not comfortable, can be quite exciting).
This is why I like lingerie so much - its an enhancement to a woman's beauty.

The biggest issue pre-2000 (and it’s still an issue today) was/is the +4 (“plus four”) method of measuring. It's a historical hangover that was meant to be a temporary solution and ended up becoming the norm. Prior to the 1970s, bra sizing worked differently. The “number” was the your full bust measurement, and the “cup size” was an approximation of how busty a woman was. So a 36C bra was meant to fit someone who measured 36" across the fullest part of their bust, not the underbust, and a C cup was basically a “medium” - whatever that was supposed to mean. There was very little standardisation between brands, and sizing was all over the place. In the late 1970s, a consortium of lingerie makers decided on a new sizing system - which is quite close to the one we use today, where the cup size is the difference between the underbust measurement and the overbust measurement (more or less).

In order to ease the transition from the old system to the new, they told customers to add 4 inches (sometimes it was 5). That way, they'd stay in their old, familiar size, and gradually get used to the new system. So, someone who was a 30J in the new system could end up being a 36F with the plus 4 system.

Obviously that plan failed spectacularly, because we ended up stuck with a method that goes against how the system is supposed to work.

Now, we have a lot more standardisation of the underbust/overbust method - plus, fitting. I can’t stress enough how much fitting has made a difference. Measurements are only part of the process; getting fitted for a bra gives a much more accurate size. Imagine just buying shoes because you think you’re a size 9, and not trying them on to see how they fit. It’s the same with a bra.

In terms of materials - the best engineers and designers have worked bras for decades. The problem is, no two women are alike, so designing a one-fits-all solution doesn’t work. However, they’ve managed to get some things right: the back band does all the hard work, so start there and the rest tends to follow. In terms of materials, bras are made of two main components (there’s actually dozens more though): cotton and elastic (Lycra). The cotton is the fabric of the bra, which is lined with elastic to give movement in the materials - which allows for a certain size of back band to fit within a range (32” band should fit anyone within a 31-33 back reasonably comfortably) and then you also have the hooks/eyes to compensate for differences (and wear/tear and stretching of the material over time).

I read this and I adore women, the way they look, the softness of their skin, their melodic voices and many other fine attributes of them but I'm so happy I don't need to get fitted with a bra.  ;) ;D

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #966 on: June 22, 2023, 09:21:19 AM »
It really started to kick in around the mid-2000s when companies realised they were not just getting sizing wrong, but we’re missing out in a really big market.
So before 2000 was the process of measuring a woman as we understand it today different.  Bra sizes are the same,  I wonder how they got so wrong back then?

It is interesting about materials for bras these days - I wonder if this is where the next advancement will take place.   I'd imagine a bra could be developed to have different properties at certain points.  As I see it, bras are elasticated, but this elasticity doesn't vary much, but this isn't necessarily the best way to give support to a woman's breasts that are dynamic.  Some boffin will come up with something sometime.

IIn the 90s, it was white, black or nude - or, something that took half an hour to put on and was really uncomfortable
I remember pursuing my mums clothes catalog and seeing just that. I wasn't hugely inspiring

(Also, I have to confess, wearing sexy lingerie - even if it’s not comfortable, can be quite exciting).
This is why I like lingerie so much - its an enhancement to a woman's beauty.

The biggest issue pre-2000 (and it’s still an issue today) was/is the +4 (“plus four”) method of measuring. It's a historical hangover that was meant to be a temporary solution and ended up becoming the norm. Prior to the 1970s, bra sizing worked differently. The “number” was the your full bust measurement, and the “cup size” was an approximation of how busty a woman was. So a 36C bra was meant to fit someone who measured 36" across the fullest part of their bust, not the underbust, and a C cup was basically a “medium” - whatever that was supposed to mean. There was very little standardisation between brands, and sizing was all over the place. In the late 1970s, a consortium of lingerie makers decided on a new sizing system - which is quite close to the one we use today, where the cup size is the difference between the underbust measurement and the overbust measurement (more or less).

In order to ease the transition from the old system to the new, they told customers to add 4 inches (sometimes it was 5). That way, they'd stay in their old, familiar size, and gradually get used to the new system. So, someone who was a 30J in the new system could end up being a 36F with the plus 4 system.

Obviously that plan failed spectacularly, because we ended up stuck with a method that goes against how the system is supposed to work.

Now, we have a lot more standardisation of the underbust/overbust method - plus, fitting. I can’t stress enough how much fitting has made a difference. Measurements are only part of the process; getting fitted for a bra gives a much more accurate size. Imagine just buying shoes because you think you’re a size 9, and not trying them on to see how they fit. It’s the same with a bra.

In terms of materials - the best engineers and designers have worked bras for decades. The problem is, no two women are alike, so designing a one-fits-all solution doesn’t work. However, they’ve managed to get some things right: the back band does all the hard work, so start there and the rest tends to follow. In terms of materials, bras are made of two main components (there’s actually dozens more though): cotton and elastic (Lycra). The cotton is the fabric of the bra, which is lined with elastic to give movement in the materials - which allows for a certain size of back band to fit within a range (32” band should fit anyone within a 31-33 back reasonably comfortably) and then you also have the hooks/eyes to compensate for differences (and wear/tear and stretching of the material over time).

I read this and I adore women, the way they look, the softness of their skin, their melodic voices and many other fine attributes of them but I'm so happy I don't need to get fitted with a bra.  ;) ;D

😂 getting Fitted for a bra is not so bad. The big issue is if the fitter isn’t confident or experienced - or if you’ve never had it done before - then it can be awkward/embarrassing. But if the person knows what they’re doing, they can put you at ease and make it feel like a worthwhile experience. Having been fitted and having fitted literally hundreds of women in my time, I know it can be a terrific feeling to discover your true bra size, and not be made to feel bad about the experience. If all things were equal, and I had the choice, I wouldn’t wear a bra. But it’s a necessity, for all manner of reasons - breast health, posture, comfort, shape, modesty etc. I currently own bras that niggle for some tiny reason - maybe the bra is out of shape, maybe the materials are not quite right, maybe it’s the wrong fit, maybe it just doesn’t suit me. But, I can say in all honesty, when you get the right bra fit, when you find your unicorn bra, and you put it on and do all the necessary adjustments, wiggles, jiggles, swoops and scoops, there are few better feelings in life. You feel happy, comfortable, confident - and, dare I say it, sexy. I own some bras that are an absolute joy to put on in the morning for work, or for a night out - they don’t have to be expensive, just well-made - and the correct fit.

But, as I’ve said before, it can be a relief to take off at the end of the day too.
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #967 on: June 22, 2023, 09:58:56 AM »
On the subject of bras (is it ever anything other than boobs and bras on the BEA?) - I literally have dozens of bras that I no longer wear. Some are almost new. I have no real idea what to do with them. Selling them on eBay can be a pain. Posting abroad (USA etc) and be expensive (I’m in the UK), but I’d be open to offers, if I could figure out a safe way of sending funds etc. All suggestions welcome.

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #968 on: June 22, 2023, 11:49:57 AM »
was/is the +4 (“plus four”) method of measuring. It's a historical hangover that was meant to be a temporary solution and ended up becoming the norm.
I had no idea - that is an interesting anecdote.  I'll ask women I know about this.   I bet they have no clue.

a C cup was basically a “medium” - whatever that was supposed to mean.
It had to have been a nightmare to get a good fit.

I can’t stress enough how much fitting has made a difference. Measurements are only part of the process; getting fitted for a bra gives a much more accurate size.  Imagine just buying shoes because you think you’re a size 9, and not trying them on to see how they fit. It’s the same with a bra. 
I agree - actually I am a size 9 - and to illustrate the point you a making, I bought some new trainers recently - tried them on in the store and 9 1/2 was a better fit.  Now if I'd not tried them on and bought them online I'd have the wrong size.


In terms of materials - the best engineers and designers have worked bras for decades. The problem is, no two women are alike, so designing a one-fits-all solution doesn’t work.
I guess that is the real issue - my idea is (not well researched I'd admit) using a material that forms a shape after some sort of process.  Almost like a memory foam mattress.

There are materials that exhibit somewhat similar properties.  You can get  heat shrink tubing for electronics.  It s rubber tube once heated shrinks to shape. It's fascinating stuff. Imagine putting on a bra and having it precisely fit to your shape after processing - and for it to stay that shape and still have its elasticity.

But then I have never worn a bra - so ultimately I suspect a woman would come up with a solution.

cotton and elastic (Lycra). The cotton is the fabric of the bra, which is lined with elastic to give movement in the materials
My bag of bras is next to me here in the attic - I will dig one out and have a better look at the construction.
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #969 on: June 22, 2023, 12:07:26 PM »
then it can be awkward/embarrassing. But if the person knows what they’re doing, they can put you at ease and make it feel like a worthwhile experience.
I was going to ask you about that - how does one go about getting a bra fit.  All the women I know haven't been fitted I'm sure about that.


I wouldn’t wear a bra.
Had a friend come over yesterday - she didn't wear a bra - my male neighbor wanted to chat - I think she felt a bit uncomfortable without one one - but it was a hot day.

just well-made - and the correct fit.
My bra less friend above always buys expensive shoes for that reason.

But, as I’ve said before, it can be a relief to take off at the end of the day too.
The number of time I've seen her come home from work and the first thing that comes off is the bra.  The cool thing is doing without taking the blouse off.  It's like a magic trick.
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #970 on: June 22, 2023, 12:10:17 PM »
Hi Margaret, perhaps you recognize the model of bra and therefore can get a size?

This is Wendy Fiore, who according to the interwebs is 1.65 m (5' 5") tall.


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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #971 on: June 22, 2023, 12:57:25 PM »
All suggestions welcome.
You could post your bras in the https://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?board=16.0 section.

I don't know how people handle payments though - gotta be PayPal probably.
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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #972 on: June 22, 2023, 02:49:24 PM »
Hi Margaret, perhaps you recognize the model of bra and therefore can get a size?

This is Wendy Fiore, who according to the interwebs is 1.65 m (5' 5") tall.




I thought I had done this lady before, I can be sure though.

I watched a video of her saying she was trying on a 32HH, but she was measured at 30J (but she felt the 30J was too restrictive). I reckon she’s there or thereabouts. Possibly 30JJ, but equally a 32HH/J might work well.

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #973 on: June 22, 2023, 03:36:40 PM »
then it can be awkward/embarrassing. But if the person knows what they’re doing, they can put you at ease and make it feel like a worthwhile experience.
I was going to ask you about that - how does one go about getting a bra fit.  All the women I know haven't been fitted I'm sure about that.


I wouldn’t wear a bra.
Had a friend come over yesterday - she didn't wear a bra - my male neighbor wanted to chat - I think she felt a bit uncomfortable without one one - but it was a hot day.

just well-made - and the correct fit.
My bra less friend above always buys expensive shoes for that reason.

But, as I’ve said before, it can be a relief to take off at the end of the day too.
The number of time I've seen her come home from work and the first thing that comes off is the bra.  The cool thing is doing without taking the blouse off.  It's like a magic trick.

Most high street stores do bra fittings, but the best places are either small, private outlets - or somewhere like Bravissimo (for bigger boobs). But really, and good department store should have a fitter. You can also do virtual fittings with some places like Curvy Kate.

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Re: Challenge Margaret bra size estimation/bra whisperer thread
« Reply #974 on: June 22, 2023, 03:41:03 PM »
All suggestions welcome.
You could post your bras in the https://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?board=16.0 section.

I don't know how people handle payments though - gotta be PayPal probably.

Hmm. Doesn’t look like it’s used much. Really not keen on PayPal either. Too much personal data available. Hmmmm